To be very truthful - I have faced many setbacks iny life and I have felt exactly the same way you are feeling now. My only learning is that you don't have to take failures / setbacks to your heart. You have to let it go and start moving ahead - with fresh vigor and renewed spirit. Just get up buddy. As you will rise in your profession, you are bound to experience more setbacks - that's how growth happens - don't be afraid of those.
But there is nothing to be gained from dwelling on these feelings. This is how the world operates. From another perspective i genuinely feel that you are very lucky that you had sh an experience quite early in your life
This will help you take more mature decisions which will be beneficial for your growth. The important thing is that rather than taking it as a setback consider it as a springboard for future success.
Major tax chunk is handled by CAs. It involves consultancy, compliance, representation. Consult practice means planning the transactions, creating &/or vetting the papers from tax angle (domestic as well as international tax).
Compliance is returns & various forms preparation alongside financial statements &/or books of accounts. It includes transfer pricing, advance rulings, APAs, etc.
Same with international taxation. CAs from non-metros too have some or other form of work from international tax as every business has something to do with foreign entities. Of course Big 4 CA firms have lions share.
Representation is appearing for clients at various stages that include assessments at department level. First appeals & similar at department level. Second appeals at tribunal level. Big 4 are less interested here, they hire other CAs for labour arbitrage. They prefer consulting.
Till this level, CAs have major business. Later appeals are at high court & supreme court levels for that advocates are briefed.
If if one is fine to keep pace with thousands of amendments every year in various ways like law amendments & judgments, this is quite lucrative practice.
Not everyone needs to be Salves or Datars. This is about direct tax practice. Indirect Tax practice is going to be LESS lucrative in my opinion (& I can be wrong) due to advent of AI & ML. Consultancy in IDT is quite limited. Compliance is heavy but it is dominated by non-CAs as anyone can do that. Litigation is going to boom in next 5 years after tribunals come into picture but later on they will go down as there won't be anything to dispute.
I so wish that I could sit down with you and counsel you but that's just not possible.
Anyways, no it's just a small bump - don't make it a big obstacle through your mind.
Also, for heaven's sake, pl don't take guidance from LI community where all of us are anonymous. Rather, approach a mature / established lawyer on whom you can trust and seek guidance.
Nujs domicile cutoff soared above 800 in the year 2021 and 2022 as well. Ngl, but the above aspirant has fair chances. Last year was an exception. The above score seems safe for now
in terms of corporate culture, NLUJ would have the advantage. There's been a fair amount of international offers to recent batches. I don't have the exact number but I'm sure some NLUJ student can provide that in this thread.
in terms of placements, these threads might be useful:
NLUJ has always been more oriented towards a corporate culture too, as evident by its course curriculum and faculty.
besides that, the cultures at GNLU and NLUJ can vastly differ. i would recommend getting in touch with students who are currently studying there to ask about student life on both campuses
I think people here grossly misunderstood your post. That’s why the downvotes. The OP here wanted to to mean that the clat was unpredictably easy this year. That’s why the cutoffs will go roaringly high according to the OP (which was a bit of an exaggeration, another reason for downvotes). Therefore, people will zero prep will be in the same pedestal along with people who prepped hard. But LI being LI thought you are praising ailet over clat which wasn’t properly conveyed by you tho 😭
Hi LI readers. The paper came really easy. It was so easy that people are predicting high cutoffs. The problem is that people who didn’t even prep for years would get a good score. A 86 plus score and that too out of 120 is considered good for a top 5. This honestly diluted the quality of clat students. I don’t see any difference between students of NLS, NALSAR, NLUJ and Nujs now. AILET is an option but that is way more difficult. With the unpredictability in mind, what should be other options?
The mods who have cracked clat like @LI, @Tier-1 NLU are requested to give feedback.
NLS NALSAR NUJS NLUJ NLUD NLIU GNLU kahi bhi chale jao agar end up corporate main hi karna hai, minor variations in career outcomes from a statistical point of view
My average day at work (keep in mind that SAs and PAs do the bulk of the work, so this might differ for associates).
7:00 AM - wake up and exercise
7:30 AM to 8:30 AM - get ready, reply to emails pertaining to deliverables of the previous night.
9:15 AM - reach office.
9:30 AM (+- 10 minutes) - I start working post drinking my coffee.
2:00 - 2:20 PM - lunch break; then back to work.
5:30 - 5:45 PM - second coffee break, socialise with colleagues from other teams.
9:00 PM - (mostly virtual) meeting with my partner and PA, status update, plan of action for tomorrow.
9:30 PM - 9:45 PM - pack up, leave.
10:30 PM - reach home, eat dinner
11 PM to 1 AM (2 am on a particularly busy day) - read up on documents for tomorrow, look at drafts / advisory from previous transactions and make a written note of things to be done tomorrow. Any time I am done with work by 12 PM I generally watch Netflix or go for a walk in my residential society.
The Mods require an apology for two unfinished comments that I submitted by clicking the "Submit" button prematurely ( I am pretty goofy that way). Sorry for it and do delete them before it confuses an aspirant or upcoming law student.
Now, to the question at hand
I'm currently an FY student at a pretty good T-2 NLU who had the opportunity to enjoy the 6-month break bestowed upon me by the Consortium with the exam being held in December.
Firstly, the 6 month break is something you'll surely reminisce about once you enter Law school. The period is a time for R&R because once you get into law school, you'll realize it's not something you can sail through without grinding. You would have countless project submissions, publications, inter/intra moots, and your end-term/mid-term examinations to worry about at the same time!
Secondly, I suggest you take up something you wished to pursue but couldn't due to time constraints imposed by CLAT/ Board Preparations. Learn a new language, or a new instrument, binge-watch movies, or catch up with old friends. You have 5 years to intern but only 6 months to do the stuff that aren't purely academic related.
Thirdly, an internship now isn't beneficial in the short or long run. A legal internship requires you to know how to read and interpret the law, this is a skill you acquire over 5 years of college life and hone throughout your professional life. Thus the stuff you do learn from the internship would more likely go over your head, never to be utilized in the near future.
If you do wish to know about the Law ( emphasis supplied on "Law") You could rather read blogs or basic articles on the same. These can shine a light on various branches or niche areas of law that you might work on once you join law school. I do not expect someone who hasn't entered law school to know fully about the defects of the Postal Rule of Communication, you know it only when you have a sufficient understanding of Contract Law and the fundamental essentials of making a contract.
Take a chill pill and relax. You have all the time to intern once you join law school. Use the break for introspection and self-reflection. You as an individual, rarely get the time to focus on your intrinsic needs and wants. If the 6 months break allows you to do the same, exploit it. You won't be at a disadvantage if you don't intern nor will you lose anything by not interning.
See the 6 months break as a reward for cracking CLAT!
I remember when I was about to join my job as a banking and finance associate, I had reached out to several people as to what should I know or read up before entering the profession, and I usually got the standard response of:
“Don’t worry. You will learn on the job.”
While it is true that most of the drafting work, and even the experience of how to manage a due diligence comes from working on a live deal, there are actually a few things which I could have done before joining the job. I feel this would have made my transition in the first few months much easier.
You see – when we learn something new, we usually have a reference framework basis which we learn the new thing. Let’s say you are trying to learn how to speak in Gujarati. Intuitively, your brain will try to link it with your previous experience of the words you normally use in Hindi, and how certain words are spoken differently in Gujarati. On the contrary, if you suddenly move to a new country (let’s say China) where everyone speaks a very different language and they have foreign concepts such as tones while speaking, you will constantly struggle to say even basic words.
Joining a banking finance team (or any other niche practice area) straight out of college feels a lot like that because the supposed “reference framework” you have built up by studying in college doesn’t help. You are basically starting from scratch, and without a background in finance and deals moving quickly, the initial months can become painful. So hopefully the following tips should help you build a reference framework and ease your transition into the finance world:
LEVEL: BEGINNER
1. News: Interest in business developments:
Assuming you are starting from the absolutely beginning, I think a good place to start is read financial news/ newsletter so you can develop some interest in finance. Websites like ‘TheCapTable’, ‘Bloomberg’ and ‘The Ken’ usually have paywalls, so I would recommend websites like ‘Finshots’ – they publish only 1 story a day, so it’s easier to keep up.
For example, ed-tech company Byjus is currently in a legal dispute with BCCI over sponsorship revenue. A while back, Finshots had come out with an article on Byju defaulting on its loan repayment:
[This is a good introduction to concepts like Term loan, rating agency, LIBOR]
2. LinkedIn: Following deal alerts
Before you understand what documents are involved in legal work, it is important to follow deal alerts to understand broadly what kind of work is done by law firms. My suggestion:
Follow TT&A on LinkedIn.
Wait, why not other firms like KCO, SAM etc. which are also working in the debt space? Sure, you can (and you should) follow other firms, but personally I feel that since firms like TT&A are boutique firms working in the debt space, every other update on their LinkedIn page deals with some banking related work. Whereas with other full service law firms, since they post on variety of practice areas, your LinkedIn feed will be filled with various other updates, and you may miss the relevant alert.
Information overload is real.
3. LinkedIn: Subscribe to news reporters, not newspapers
Initially, I would read newspapers to stay up-to-date with any news related to banking. But this was a rookie mistake. You see, unlike M&A/ PE work where newspapers often cover funding raises or mergers between companies, or even capital markets work where newspapers regularly cover IPO news of newly listed companies, in relation to banking finance work, there is hardly any coverage of companies availing loans or issuing debentures. This is because these things are extremely confidential and companies wouldn’t want the public to know about their funding actions. Occasionally, news coverage does happen when companies default on loans and are about to be dragged into insolvency, or if there is some government project financing work. But apart from this, there is generally no coverage.
Instead, I would suggest - follow these news reporters on LinkedIn. They work with the top financial newspapers and only post when they have something relevant to share:
Krishna Merchant – IFR/ also posts on Twitter
Tamal Bandyopadhyay – Business standard
Sangita Mehta – Economic Times
Ira Dugal – Reuters News
Paula Seligson – Bloomberg
This is going to help you stay up-to-date with market dynamics and also anticipate what kind of deals your firm will be working on. While some of the articles may be behind paywalls, the news reporters often give descriptions while posting on Twitter/ LinkedIn.
4. Follow clients on LinkedIn
There are several banks, financial institutions and private credit funds which are clients for these banking deals. You can easily figure them out by going through deal alerts of various law firms on LinkedIn. For banks, I wouldn’t recommend following them on LinkedIn as their pages mostly reply to customer grievances.
But since we are in the ‘golden age of private credit’, you can follow private credit funds and their higher level employees. The top management often post their thoughts on LinkedIn. Edelweiss is a big name in this space.
Note: On a day-to-day basis, lawyers don’t refer to the above sources. But if you are starting out as an A0, the above sources will help you understand the important context within which the deals take place.
LEVEL: INTERMEDIATE
Here are some tips which will complement the work done in law firms. The following points don’t involve the actual hard work done in law firms, but gives you a window into the kind of work you can expect:
1. Invest in IPOs, stocks
Investing in IPOs is as simple as downloading the Kite app by Zerodha. Trading in stocks is an easy way to get a sense of the stock market, and it is as simple as swiping to buy/sell a stock on Kite. By actually investing in stocks yourself, you will yourself take the initiative to read offer documents, read up about the securities market, develop a basis understanding of primary/ secondary market, and understand the role of depository participants.
This way, when you have to review Form 39 while working on a live transaction, you won’t be wondering what is CDSL, NSDL, NeSL.
Additionally, as lawyers, we have to work on the PAS-4 form which is filed during debenture issuance. The offer letter/ shelf prospectus for an IPO has similar language and reading such documents beforehand will make the transition easier. No need to read all 500+ pages, just glace through them once.
2. Cursory review of DTDs on the BSE website
This bit is specifically for banking work involving debenture issuance. Although you may not have access to the confidential documents being drafted by law firms, there are several DTDs available on the BSE website. Now, the obvious question arises that without any background in banking practice, which DTD is a good precedent.
Here is a sample of a Debenture Trust Deed for ‘secured, listed, redeemable non-convertible debentures’. It is only 44 pages so for a beginner, it should be relatively easy to review this. Although the DTDs we work in law firms are usually 200+ pages and have more complex concepts and structures, as a starting point, this can be a good base to familiarize yourself how a DTD draft is structured.
For example, in Recital B of the document, there is reference to shareholder resolution passed under Section 180(1)(a) and 180(1)(c). Recital B also has reference to Section 42 (deals with private placement of securities) and Section 71 (deals with Debentures). Going back to the Companies Act, and just reading up these sections definitely helps.
As an A0, while you won’t have to draft the DTD as it will be too complicated, you may have to draft these resolutions and also update the items as part of conditions precedent checklist. So it helps to know when Section 180 is applicable during debenture issuance and when it is not. [This para will make more sense if you have already done one transaction]
Another executed debenture trust deed (with stamp duty):
If investing in stock markets, and hoping for 100% returns via IPOs gives you a kick, here’s another avenue to boost your savings - ‘WintWealth’. WintWealth runs a platform which allows you to invest in FDs and bonds, and they also run a blog which discuss concepts related to debentures.
You can choose to invest in bonds to get an investor perspective on debenture issuance, or simply follow their blog. While I wouldn’t use the blog as a legal source, their blog does a good job in breaking down concepts. Such as this article on market-linked debentures:
It's extremely unfortunate that Darshan mentioned Shardul and Pallavi's names in his affidavit. Conversations between lawyers and clients are always privileged. In any case, Shardul and Pallavi have denied any wrongdoing and clarified that they respect PM Modi. An unnecessary controversy has been created.
We should stop doing a trial by media and the media should stop all coverage on this topic until the CBI enquiry is over.
This thread is not just blatantly offensive but it targets particular entities/individuals with no conclusive proof. Kindly learn to differentiate between speculation and concrete facts.
We are not only marking this entire thread trollish but also actively urging each one of you to not indulge in rumours related to apparent ‘scams’.
Read on whatever you intend to write. Do not restrict yourself to few papers/reports/blogs etc. Do not just read for the sake of reading, make notes on whatever you find useful and add your observations, especially when you have different opinion then that of the author/organization. Do not restrict yourself to one reading, especially when the text is comprehensive/important etc EG works of Shubhankar Dam on ordinances. Soon you would find exactly on what to write and how to go about it. Also see how other authors address the findings, analysis and opinion of the previous works. Ask yourself who you would support and why or whose arguments are more satisfactory and can you convey that more persuasively or with more supporting points etc. Last but not the least, be patient, I don't think there can be overnight success with regard to it.
Another insecure non-tier 1 student ranting out his insecurities here over not clearing IIT and presuming that everyone here is like him. "Should have studied more" is the grand old third class and grandparent generation level thinking that implies that people who take up law couldn't do better in other fields. Well guess what you are wrong? I am from T1 NLU who purposefully took a drop for law so that I can clear CLAT and get into a T1. My law school had friends who had left engineering to join NLS. And guess what I earn more than my doctor and engineer friends. So to each their own. But just don't vomit your bullshit opinions here.
It is a rare occurence for most cases. It has worked out for me on some occassions while it hasnt on others. There's no general rule here ki they HAVE to HAVE to respond to you right. so they may or may not.
SAM - definitely try mailing their mumbai GC partners, they reply. there competition law team in mumbai has a sweet partner who also responds to mails. I know of good 5 people in my batch who have gotten internships like this.
AZB - Did not work for me. Had partners reply back saying use HR channels. Apparently worked for some of my juniors. Cant say much.
3Legal - Worked until initial months of this year but apparently they have now gotten back to RCCs and have asked them to stop students from mailing partners.
KCo - Worked for me fortunately but 95% doesnt. I was just lucky. plain simple. partners wont even open your CV, its dependant upon a) your mail and cover letter and more importantly b) their MOOD. Have heard it work out for others, try their bangalore or kolkata office. They take interviews and take interns.
CAM - not going to work out at all. Even if you're lucky then its not worth it because to get placed, you need to go through RCC channels. Like this, you'd at best be able to get a 3 week internship while the mandate for a callback/assessment is a min. 4 weeks. So unless you have a very strong contact, no point in applying.
Indus - does work. has worked for my batchmates in the 3rd year also.
The key is to send mails with some context. They have written something, you have written something or if there has been a development or you've interacted with them in some conference/session then. Send timely follow ups, DO NOT SPAM please.
Its just shooting your shot for most parts, no guarantees though.
Batch of 2029, eh? Here's some free advice. Heed or ignore, entirely at your own discretion.
1. Publishing on platforms as the one mentioned in your question would be fine, ONLY till the time you gain the confidence to go for indexed journals. Consider the ' "exposure" milega, stipend nahi' scenario. I would consider both situations analogous. Yes, please note the double quotation marks I used for exposure, thanks. 2. The value addition to your CV, as to writing articles for LI, at best is a participation certificate. #SorryLIMaafKaro
3. Before submitting your articles onto any website, make sure you check up their policies as to cross-publishing on other platforms, including rules pertaining to sharing on social media handles
4. Do not send forth your articles onto any website, unless you have looked up their website and satisfied your own self as to the legitimacy of the concerned publication platform. Check up, among other things, as to how recent are the other publications on the concerned platform. Look up the published volumes, published blogs, among others. These are ordinarily available online in case of most major publication platforms, whether blogs or journals. While at it, if available, also have a look at the concerned publication's LinkedIn or other networking/ social media page, of any.
5. Ordinarily most blogs have year round publication cycles, and typically have a limited scope as to word limit. Journals, reputed ones at least at best have a quarterly publication cycle. Plan your articles accordingly
6. I do not know whether you are pursuing your degree in law from an NLU or other top-tier institution, or a local University with slightly limited resources and/ or relative disinclination towards legal research. Whatever be the case, learn how to use the available library resources. Understand how to put the Internet to good use.
As a matter of abundant caution, let me state that I am NOT insinuating that non-NLUs don't have a legal research culture, nor do I want to open the NLU vs. non-NLU debate here. Nonetheless, it is known that most law schools in India do have their limitations so far as dedicated resources- material or otherwise, in respect to legal research would be into consideration.
7. Be mindful of understanding and duly abiding by the citation styles adopted by the concerned publication. Cite with utmost honesty.
8. Follow platforms such as Lawctopus, Livelaw, Bar and Bench ong others to stay updated with relevant opportunities.
TLDR: LI is not really your best bet for significant publications in the long run. Would not really recommend.
Note:
A. Ample chance that OP @Aspirant or any other person coming across this thread might be of the opinion that this answer is a significant digression from the actual question.
B. I have admittedly, albeit unabashedly hijacked this thread in order to state what I would have really wanted to know during my first year at Law School.
C. Some individuals are fortunate to get the above information at their law schools or through their peer network, some are not. Here's hoping that this reply does aid those in the latter group, at least a bit.
Always remember 80% is diet 20% is exercise. And for exercise you don't need to do 6 days PPL hardcore gym. Sure that maybe optimal but our goal here is not bodybuilding.
Opt for options like full body 3x a week, or upper lower 4 times.
This is because in a 6 day split even if you miss one day your entire moral falls down. Alternatively in a 4 day split say Monday Tuesday Thursday Saturday, even if I due to some urgent work and not able to workout on Tuesday, I can shift it to Wednesday. You get buffer days.
Have atleast 1 day (sunday, but preferably 2 if you can squeeze in) for cardio because heart health is important, for this you can run, cycle, swim anything.
Along with this try to get 10k steps daily, this is fairly easy I hit over 12k just by backing to and fro from parel station to one world and then a little walking throughout the day.
Don't let your law firm life ruin your health.
Alternatively, get a pull up bar installed at your home because our work hours are not fixed and will never align with the gym timings (unless you have access to a society gym). Pushups, pull-ups, you can definitely afford dumbles and resistance bands, will be more than enough to get you into shape (not optimal for muscle building exactly but it's definitely better than nothing).
This is not only for your body, but trust me working out and taking care of yourself helps the mental health as well.
If you really want to whistleblow, you can simply put all of this on a social media post and give the link here. The Mods will allow that. For law firms and potential recruiters, people are afraid to do that because it can backfire on their own industry rep. What are you afraid of from Lawsikho? Unless you think that they may counter the post by showing samples of your work and your actions during internship and calling it substandard, which may harm your recruitment prospects.
Hi! I am an associate at Trilegal who wears the hijab. During my time here the firm has been nothing but supportive. It was a non-issue, really. Nobody cares if you wear the hijab, or don’t wear the hijab. They respect your choices as long as your general attire (hijab included) is professional and fits with the dress code followed by your team. I understand your friend’s concerns, but ultimately do not fret over it. Your work, your demeanour, your perseverance matters more. You are just like any other associate and they are all just like you, as it should be.
AIBE is quite honestly a cakewalk. It is easy. If you can manage the same however, do try and attempt a paper or two (you could get the past papers online, I guess), and IF POSSIBLE, try to do the same within the actual time-limit and in the actual setting. AIBE is less about preparing for the exam, and more about how you take the exam.
BEFORE THE EXAM/ EXAM-PREP 1. Read the contents of the Bare Acts.
2. This might sound as if I am pulling your leg, but in all honesty, know the names of the Acts which you would be carrying
3. I had put flags/ Post-It type notes on the first page of the Bare Acts I was carrying. This helped me pick out the one which I really wanted for a particular question, instead of having to turn to the cover-page. Saved me a ton of time
4. As stated earlier, try and attempt 1-2 past papers. The answers- you might not even have to reach out to the Bare Act/s. OMR sheet marking EATS into those three hours.
5. Be prepared to attempt some questions pertaining to landmark judgements.
DAY OF THE EXAM/ DURING THE EXAM
Naturally, carry the necessary documents, stationery material, etc.
1. Reach your centre early. Gives you time to set up your workspace the way you want it. Setting out 15+ Bare Acts in the most easily accessible manner, given the space constraints at some centres is no joke.
2. Be very careful and meticulous in filling up the necessary details on the OMR sheet.
3. No negative marking. So attempt every question.
4. Keep an eye on the watch. Time does seem to go veeeeery slow in the first 2 hours, and within a flash, it is time to turn in your OMR sheet.
mostly its the ranks and internships. Nobody cares about moots but partners and seniors usually take interest in A0s and interns who have stellar publications since nuances of legal opinions for client deliverables and knowledge management ultimately need a good hold on the choice of words and fluency with black letter law.
So, marks (wont matter during lateral hiring) > Internships > Publications/Int moots > Other moots
Note: moots don't hold weight if its a mere participation; either you win or you lose.
Simple answer: There is a huge demand for lawyers that a few universities cannot fulfill. There are thousands of clients who need lawyers. Not everything is about law firms and corporate jobs. Will an NLU grad graduate and practise in the local trial court?
I graduated from GNLU in 2016. Due to some health issues/ family reasons had to join LPO now Regretting like hell. Salary/increments are chillar. Very much worried. Why I stayed here for 7 years? Was bound to. Can't reveal here. Please advise guys how to move to In-hoise or law firms. Anybody has sailed through such boat? Help, depressed. I don't mind working even as an A0 or half salary in begining. No troll please
- Delhi saw mass attrition recently but still hasn't recruited people until now
- Mumbai is on a freeze
2) IndusLaw (Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore)
- Mumbai is always hiring
- Delhi is terrible
- Bangalore is a small team and never loses talent
3) KCO (Mumbai, Noida, Bangalore)
- Mumbai is on a freeze; prefers laterals
- Noida is a good option
- Bangalore is a small team and never loses talent
4) CAM (Mumbai and Bangalore)
- Only does campus i.e. picks up toppers who are terrible with work/have no idea about ECM or picks up paralegals from GLC who are later given the offer
5) S&R (Mumbai and Delhi)
- Very very picky and top heavy; recruits the cream of the crop
6) Trilegal (Mumbai)
- Richa's team is on a freeze
- Bhakta's team has a very few mandates
7) JSA (Mumbai and Gurgaon)
- Sweatshop for law students tbh; will make you a "junior associate" which is a glorified paralegal job after 6 months of an assessment internship
Yes, but only 1 percentile of LSAT takers get the scholarship, I did get it, but joined a mid tier nlu cause the scholarship is only applicable to tution fee and not other ancillary fees.
Internet slams Ahmedabad crowd for 'disrespecting' players during World Cup final =================================================================================
I suggest we don't make Gods out of cricket team in India. Imagine NZ and Aus loosing and not being accountable to 1.5 billion? I don't think Australia Law website like LI would have discussed their loss had they lost lmao.
We try to hide our failures in other sports by our attempts at silverware from our cricket which is no doubt world-class. But the added pressure just suppresses then even more and it's a vicious cycle.
Still feel Aus as a nation is one of the strongest mental sides across sports, it's in their culture. Sadly the Gujju crowd and Gujju state was in attendance only for photos and insta snaps, pure show of no cricketing heritage.
Note- If 2011 and period thereon has been a sign of rise of India as a cricketing superpower and yet it's Aus who has the WC twice, in such case we can assume India might still go on to dominate cricket for the next 100 years but what Aus has done for the last 100 till date is nothing short of legendary.
BCCI is a shambly run org and with the funds we have india should maybe have become undefeatable or v close to that, the funds distribution even in top 3 nations is vv vastly in our favour.
For me Rohit Sharma deserved the man of the tournament given his change in approach and he was the captain as well. Kohli again legendary but a tad selfish in several phases (didn't hurt the team thankfully).
Proud of Indian team and not the board, but the years of RCB fandom will surely help me cope this better.
No shame in accepting Aus > India in cricketing heritage and clutch performances from players who aren't treated as God but are nothing short of being one. We lose due to players worshipped as God but can't show up on festival due to everyone praying for their visits. :)
Loneliness in big cities is rampant but not often discussed. Travelling to new city means uprooting your life and starting afresh. It doesn't help that due to our 12 hour work schedules we don't get time to go out in the city and meet new people.
You are mentally sprinting and probably dealing with 100 issues at your law firm job, so when you come back home, you need immediate respite, which is why several people often turn to drinking or other harmful activities. This gets worse when you see your peers/ friends having fun on Instagram while you are miserable at home.
Actionable advice: Join a yoga session, dance class or some cycling group. You can also try going for the weekend excursions organised by local groups (Several groups on Instagram - just search them)
The idea here is to join some group where:
1. You have a guide/ mentor actively teaching you and tracking your progress and checking up on you (unlike most seniors at law firms)
2. You have a peer group of your age with whom you can bond in a social casual setting, and talk about something apart from work (as corporate settings does not always allow us to let our guard down)
Keep these two things in mind, and I'm sure you will notice a mood shift.
1. Recruiters cannot help as they mostly post for vacancies from PQE 1,
2. Tap alumni network: Try reaching out to your college seniors and ask if there is vacancy for you in their team
3. Tap friend network: If you have friends from other colleges, ask them about vacancies in their team
4. Partner specific: If you have any particular partner in mind, try reaching out to the SA/ PA in the team. You may even try to directly email the partner (Not the best way, but I know people who have got in through this approach. If they reject you/ dont respond, you have nothing to lose)
5. In house: Lot of companies hire A0s for Inhouse, so you can try connecting with the legal counsels in In House positions to get a sense if they are hiring
Fantastic work done by both the students, as well as the NLUD and GNLU ecosystem for supporting them, including fellow students, mentors, alum, admin and faculty. Why can't we just be happy for these people and acknowledge their excellence and be proud of them representing country and Indian law schools in the best of global forums? Have we gone that shallow? I really hope that these two go ahead and build upon their success and emerge as future legal scholars to reckon with. Wish I knew both personally, so that I could congratulate them personally.
That's not the case for Ayan tho. I guess Rhodes balanced the two profiles well this year. I think they did right. One is academically and mooting-wise brilliant. Another is mesmerizing in philanthropy and I guess mooting too!
Congratulations Ayan and Zayaan!! Can anyone give us a profile of the two scholars? What will they be studying at Oxford? What kind of work have they done so far? What is their CV like? How many papers have they published, where all have they interned, what extra curricular activities. Did they have mentors and if yes, who? Thanks a lot in advance.
NLUD too gets 3rd Rhodes Scholar in prolific writer Ayan Gupta. NLUD has produced 3 Rhodes Scholars in a short span of 8 years, though none of these great scholars are from Kashmir. He also becomes the 1st boy from NLUD to bag the scholarship, Rishika was the first from NLUD, followed by Anupriya.
GNLU gets its 3rd Rhodes Scholar in prolific writer Zayaan Mohammad. GNLU has produced 3 Rhodes Scholar in a short span of 6 years. He also becomes the 2nd Kashmiri to bag the scholarship, Sameer Rashid Bhat was the first from Kashmir (and he was a GNLU graduate as well).
No you don’t need any typing lessons. You will be at the desk for so long you everyday will end up typing fast. Rather invest in a good chair with lumbar support when working from home.
Okay, here’s what you need to know:
MS Excel
For law firms, if you’re in capital markets, you need to know MS Excel - just get familiar with adding text, numbers, tables. Excel has lot of automatic copy function where if you drag and drop, it can generate automatic serial numbering, can copy formulas across cells etc. (not advanced formulas) Having some practice of data entry in Excel is important as this can otherwise slow you down while working (it’s slightly different than typing in MS Word)
MS Word
Otherwise, lawyers mostly use MS Word.
Know how to change font size, para spacing, create tables, create numbered lists, alignment with the ruler etc.
You can Google the shortcuts used to copy paste, select entire para/ page etc, page up/ down
Law firm Task specific - for redlines - check Word Compare on MS Word/
Review docs - Split screen
Foreign firms - often use linked cross references for clause references in documents, so you can check Google that
MS PowerPoint
For client/ internal presentations - working knowledge- how to write text, create tables, shapes, add pictures etc.
Now that I read this in the morning, I see that my rant here appears to be quite childish and kinda misogynistic. You may mark this trollish, or do whatever action it is you do, because I don't want to start some gender war here or discount the struggles girls go through. Maybe it's me :)
Stop discouraging people. It's their life and they can decide what to do. You are no one to call their decision stupid. Mind your own damn business and answer if you can else leave!
For OP, I suggest you apply for assessment internships at T1 and T2 firms and of course law firms and chambers will definitely grab you (NLU Tag). All the best :)
To be very honest, high fees shouldn’t be an excuse for you to not opt for JD. First GET IN. Do you know how difficult it is for people to get into JD programmes in Js? Crack the lsat and you will receive several generous based grants amongst the T-15 law schools. Most of the people didn’t couldn’t even crack Clat, and they are lecturing you about JD? Two people from NUJS have done this and some from NLS. Only they could because they were able enough. Rest were happy to sing their praises but ofc they all had excuses.
There is another course in Northwestern University which provides accelerated JD. Again you need to have an amazing Lsat score to even knock the doors for this programme. This has been substantially discussed in LI as well but ofc the mediocrity showcased here won’t let you know that.
One problem that you may face is the visa issue. So tailor your interview accordingly. Indian students apart from not being to crack lsat, faced another issue and that’s VISA.
Also LSAT as an exam is said to be (in American standards) more competitive/rigorous than GMAT. I hope this helped.
Lets break B&F into 3 parts (just like how transactions are broken into during negotiations) and then take up the folks doing great work across Indian law firms:
Work: The work given to me was good. It also depends on how you do your assigned tasks. If the work submitted is a little substandard or incomplete, some folks stop giving you work/start giving it to another intern in the same team. They have good work coming in. Tax is one of the biggest teams. Work Culture: The work culture is generally good, people start leaving by 7:30-8:30 pm max, food, and office facilities are all good. People are decent and do not become abusive/irritated, patient in general and will take pains to explain as long as work is given on time (allows reasonable extensions). Weekends are off unless your team is working (not really).
PPO: They prefer lateral hiring. Interns are taken on a monthly basis and based on feedback/presentation or something may be called back as a paralegal and then a trainee associate. The chances of PPOs are less but not impossible. Pay: Interns 10-12.5k not aware otherwise.
Graduating Batch'23, 3 Year LLB from JGLS, Do not go to Jindal, if you do not have contacts or that one uncle who knows people in the legal world. 70% of my batch mates got their own internships, (the ones they provide are abysmal usually NGOs, Content writing or small advocates ) PPOs were non-existent if you are not at least a 7.5/8. Very few companies came on Zero Day and even if they do come there is no guarantee that you are gonna be selected; 40 students compete for 4 positions except when it is mass recruitment like CAM or SAM. I'd say one thing though, if you have money take a drop and try for NLUs or better try some other decent law college like SLS or maybe as you still have time go for Tier 3 NLUs.
So why don't you grow a pair, leave and set up your own thing instead of whining about the same thing over and over again? Please leave and let us be who are happy with his policy, which prevents people like you from flooding this place further with toxicity and political agenda.
Hi, I'm a fifth-year at Jindal and I'm set to join a T1 law firm after having recently secured a PPO. In all honesty, JGLS has great academics and opportunities but if you need to take a loan, then you should ideally avoid enrolment. You can still make it big by paying a lesser fee and hopefully joining good NLUs or private universities like Symbi & Christ.
One thing I can guarantee about Jindal is that the opportunities are endless but it's all about what you seek to achieve at law school. Jindal offers electives that are far better than any other law school in the country. Our faculty is known to be the best. Our placements are of course not great when you consider the entire batch strength but its necessary to note that not everyone joins Jindal to secure a job in law, a lot of students just need degrees to carry on their family businesses. While a lot has been said about distractions and ROI, I truly believe that you can do well at Jindal but that would probably be true about any law school. All of it boils down to your efforts.
All-in-all, if you need to take out a 30L loan, then avoid enrolment, you can succeed at other colleges like Symbi & Christ. All the best!
Your view is extremely generalised. I have met and interacted with some tier-1 nlu toppers (who are girls) who have dated boys/girls and they don’t exactly fit inside the stereotypical beauty standards of Indian Mindset.
Unfortunately yes, they do. But the bias can be easily mitigated if you showcase good work after coming a tier-2 nlu/a decent private university like Symbiosis.
Hi, you may approach Himmat - an organisation that aids college students who face sexual harassment with legal consultancy pro bono. The consultants are all professionals in this sphere and have experience working on such matters. Please check out this link if you would like to explore this further https://www.safecollegespaces.com/free-legal-consultancy-copy
Sis, I tried in my first year (which isn’t over btw) to publish in this journal. They didn’t revert back. Indiacorplaw doesn’t work for first years. It strictly chooses from the 3rd year to researchers. Regardless, topics like insolvency, transnational banking laws and grey areas in NCLAT can help you understand the nuances. Good luck.
Guys slow down. Don’t constitute random allegations against some professors. This is not acceptable. We will have to close this thread if this continues.
Senior/Equity Partner - Bringing the mandates and bootlicking the clients.
Salaried/Junior Partner - Strategizing the execution of the mandate and attending client calls.
PA/Counsel - Answerable to the salaried/senior partners and handle the entire deal execution.
SA - Answerable/give the 80% finished deliverables to the PA/Counsel who handle the rest after back and forth with the salaried partners.
Associate - Due diligence, research, filing and execution.
Intern (Merit) - Assist the associates with the research/due diligence. Not given filing and execution work unless they are on assessment basis due to confidentiality of the deal.
Intern (Contacts) - Mostly their parents are the clients so they go for multiple rounds of coffee, 100 smoke breaks and are later given the PPO.
Then, under All India Rank 70 you can expect GLC/ILS.
Cutoff drastically changes in MHCET, and as OMS carries only 24-24 seats in GLC and ILS, so work hard and ace it.
Cut off marks trend past years:
2019: 110-112
2020- 112
2021- 127 ( As exam was very easy, they asked questions like, "Taj mahel is situated on which river")
2022- 110
Above cut off marks are for OMS, MHCET is a game of luck for OMS. No matter how much you are prepared, but this is what it is.
(I've prepared for various Law entrance, and got a rank of Under 50 in MHCET 2022, however, I gave this exam in 2021 as well, and even was more serious back then, but didn't got GLC bcz of 127 marks cutoff for OMS)
2. Never join any other college, except GLC/ILS. Even think twice before these two too.
The onlyway to get better at both of these is to practise. Read more and you will find it getting easier. Start with simpler stuff and then up the game as you feel more confident. I would suggest like this:
Short, easy article
Long, easy article
Short, more complex article
Longer, more complex article
Etc etc
Same thing for writing. I found writing case commentaries to be useful practice. Even if you don't publish them your writing will improve and you will learn some more law in the process.
Here is the link of the shortlisted applicants. You can count how many of them applied and simultaneously shortlisted, and in the end how many got selected :) (the selections are stated above)
Alright folks so let’s dive deep into the analysis. As per their official website, they have only launched the website of shot listed candidates (for now) but the winners are announced very recently.
NLSIU as usual bagged the highest number of ABS scholarships (5 out of 7- not bad)
NALSAR and NLUJ remained pretty consistent. So as GNLU
Congrats NLU Delhi for making it into the first time in ABS.
What’s shocking is that around 6 people applied for the NUJS ABS scholarship and none of them got one! What went wrong? Maybe someone can explain.
All in all meritorious students getting selected day by day. Good job!
This is the first time and the first year that NLUD has been part of this scholarship. Previously, our refusal to join CLAT pre-empted our students from even applying. There will be more of these scholars in the future. It looks as if all the “tier-1” NLUs are now part of this, except NLIU.
Your advice is rock solid. But at the same time, it’s much difficult to get into NUS and it’s wayyy more competitive than UK colleges. It’s cheaper and much more convenient for Indians. However the whole world is running behind NUS law nowadays. It’s in top 7 and arguably has a good research base. There needs to be some differentiating factor in your written test and CV to get into NUS. Best!
NUS comparatively will be a much better (again my personal opinion) option. It’s tough to get into considering the acceptance rate for their flagship UG law course.
I will suggest OP to consider NUS after Oxbridge/UCL. The application link is provided above. Prepare all and all the best for Clat!
ok, let us look at an avg russell group uni - Durham, it has good TCs, good infra and good teachers, its in the north of the UK, has good alumni base,
Tuition per annum is £25,750 (https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/law-m101/#fees-and-funding) and cost of living would be £9000, so cost per year should be budgeted at £35000, so the total cost in 3 years would be 1.05 crore INR, there will be some India specific scholarships but nothing will bring it down to half of the cost
the problem with pursuing UG in the UK is low availability of scholarships, they are few and far between for international students. There are some unis which have UG scholarships for international student where they reduce it to the UK level of £9250 pa, but there is no consolidated list and these are dependent on individual schools so you should look at each school and have a chat with the admissions tutor at all LNAT schools and ask them if they would have a scholarship or partial fee waivers.
In the US, law is a PG subject, so only possible after 4 years of UG
Your goals matter a lot in choosing the place where you want to study UG law, do you want to settle there? do you want to come back to India? do you want to be a solicitor or a barrister? how much can you spend? etc.
I know a person who was supposed to get a AIR under 70 in both of his attempts but messed up badly in his OMR due to him being casual. Dude’s giving the exam again this year. Look out for him. He studied only for couple of days (and I ain’t even kidding). The thing is that the exam is tough but for some people focus becomes their deadly force to crack these exams.
Which universities abroad are considering for LLB. Can we study undergrad as Law in the US? If not then which universities are worth considering like UCL, NUS and stuff? I am giving clat but I am also applying for Lnat next month. Please help.
Totally disagree. I know at least two of my friends who gave IIT and CLAT at the same time but failed to get an NLU, but did get a lower IIT. I also know one senior from my law school who made it to an IIT and yet chose law. You need to study properly for CLAT, it's not like you studied PCM the whole year and get up one fine morning on the day of CLAT exam and go on cracking it.
I just finished reading it and seriously, what an incredibly well-written book! I genuinely cannot imagine how someone without a formal training or background in literature can write such prose.
Take a bow Shishir. The trolls will find something to snipe at you with, but I hope you write on. So proud that a practicing lawyer wrote it.
Your ignorance level is astonishing! Only matched by your confidence in spreading fake news. There was no process for opting for BA or BSc LLB degrees at NUJS in the beginning, so no question of students not opting for it. The degree that you would get would depend on the majority of the elective papers that you would opt for. Many students have got the BSc LLB degree till the 2011 batch. That's when BCI said that you need to have lab training etc. and core science subjects to give that degree any more. Which is what's happening right now. There are several faculty from core science and forensic sciences background at NUJS now teaching such subjects, including guest faculty from institutes like IIT and IISER, the Central Forensic Lab in Kolkata has tied up with the university to offer its facilities to the students and a new lab is being constructed within the university too. All this is of course way above your pay grade as a professional troll, so go home and rest in peace, clutching your meagre troll tax.
I know several people this year who bagged nls within a month’s study and opted for Brown/Duke and that too in varied science majors. You can even check their SAT scores which were brilliant.
Then there is Somesh taori who cracked Oxford the same year he cracked clat (AIR 83)
It's the later. You have no idea about how the right focus can help you and transform you into a beast. Many high IQ people don't realize their abilities just because they get distracted easily..i saw a guy from NIT Tirchy acing CAT and XAT just studying for a week. He did not focus much on his coaching at Times but when he did study, it was about his dominance. Studying 3 hours and utilizing quality focus within that specific time is much more beneficial than slogging for 10-11 hours and barely focusing on vital practice.
Actually no. The guy attempted CLAT the same year he sat for the JEE exam (the one where you get a IISC rank) without zero prep (can't blame cause the former is really tough as you mentioned) and yet he couldn't pass. Next attempt he just studied for 2 weeks and made into NLS. This was quite surprising. I did not believe this at first but he did show signs of photographic memory which stunned some of us.
Yes, it's so refreshing in how it moves away from the conventional courtroom dramas that one associates with legal fiction and instead mingles legal sleuthing with satire to inform and entertain in equal measure!
I agree. This was great fun to read. As someone who is ignorant about corporate lawyers and what they do, I found this glimpse into their inner workings quite illuminating, to say the least. The fact that it uses humour so effectively is what makes this book a winner!
Each story pivots around Edamarra Edwin and his detective-style approach to solving problems; but while each story is a separate episode, with its own thrills, together they all cumulatively reveal a lot about its enigmatic protagonist and the world he inhabits.
As a corporate lawyer, I found the book quite enjoyable and thought that the solutions found in each story were quite brilliant. A partners job is to know the law but to also know the situation better so as to apply and bend it as required to meet the client's requirements. Overall a very good read I thought although one does need to keep a dictionary at hand!
I would recommend TNNLU above all the other NLUs mentioned there. I know a couple of people from NLU Assam and DNLU, they have been complaining endlessly about the campus and stuff. TNNLU is doing way better in terms of placements and the campus is also pretty good. You may add your preference list as below;
NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUJ, GNLU
NLIU, RGNUL, HNLU, RMLNLU, NUALS, NLUO
TNNLU, CNLU, MNLU(mumbai),
DNLU, DSNLU, Nagpur and others - instead of joining those lower than MNLU mumbai, you can join any pvt unis like JGLS or Symbi or Christ.
If you want to share posts about news that you think are noteworthy, relevant to lawyers or a cause worthy of more attention, next time please do so in a manner that is bona fide and not to relativise other causes or for thinly garbed political point scoring / trolling.
> You can't stay in a country and jeopardise its relations with other countries by adopting a different stance.
Shouldn't the international relations of a democratic country be influenced and take into consideration the will and the wishes of the people? Isn't that the whole point of a protest? To make one's voice heard?
You may disagree with the actual political stance here but you can't possible in good faith argue that no one should be allowed to voice dissenting opinions.
so that would mean not only the firms purchasing costly subscriptions but also feeding client data (usually incredibly illegal and unethical shit) into these sites? Dude firms are able to hire people at 8% of the amount they make the firm and then keep them there and scare them with NDAs, why will any employer change that. What happened to self driving cars Musk?
Tales from the AbusrdLet's not forget that familiarity is the architect of all our contempt in life. In this illusory world of social media, your affections are as one-sided as a debate in an echo chamber. Take it from one who has sailed these killing fields. On my maiden voyage into the tempestuous seas of digital romance—courtesy of the dating app. I too was smitten by a digital deity whose profile was a symphony of aesthetic pleasure and adventurous pursuits. It almost seemed like a match made in heaven brought together by the whims of the ‘bumbly’ algorithm. It was our mutual preference for ‘Infernal Affairs’ over the Scorsese's remake that did the trick for me.
Our textual dalliance of wit and words culminated in a rendezvous amidst the colonial charm of Colaba. Yet, alas, it was not the face but the intent that was the grand illusion. My enchantress, it turned out, had a very real-world script in mind, with a twist that would have made Mr M. Night Shyamalan blush. I was quoted a clear-cut tariff of Rs. 8000/-, a friend’s price (it seems), for the desired company in the locale of my choosing.
The chivalrous (and almost broke) budding lawyer that I was, I found myself quickly mulling over the fiscal dynamics of this amorous enterprise. With masterful sleight of hand, I furtively inspected the meager contents of my wallet, followed by a fleeting glance at my banking app beneath the table's shroud. But the coffers of a budding legal eagle aren't exactly the stuff of fortunes. As the negotiation unfolded, I found myself in the throes of an absurdist play, where the cost of courtship had been unveiled devoid of any sentimental baggage.
So there I was, retreating to my grand 1 RK, poorer by Rs. 5000/- and my dreams of love punched in the gut. I couldn't help but snicker at the joke life had just played on me. In this bizarre bazaar of ‘lou’, buyers are to beware.
We have started out in 2019 just as an unregistered partnership firm to provide M&A consultancy only (Copy has been provided to cyber police). We got some clients & decide to start LLP business in 2022 only. In 2022 our website was very organic & simple looking created using google sites (Our hosting server & Godaddy domain details provided to Cyber police already) but we have decided to start full-fledged Law firm only this year in october (Our client details & services we have provided to our geniune clients already submitted to police). In last week of october 2023 we have hired a coder or IT expert to create a proper website for our firm with name barutha&barutha.com but he advised us that he can convert our old www.BaruthaLLP.com website into good looking portal in 1 day, with small fee charge. On 28th october, we have asked him to create a career section for some hiring of 10 employees only but he superficialy created large opportunities for which we have emailed him to delete it (We have supplied this email copy to cyber police also) but he replied, do not worry i will delete it & i am just checking the portal efficiency. You guys can also check our Managing partner linkedin page he had also posted about job opening but didn't mention any superficial number. After 10-20 minutes, he then uploaded some fake pictures & profiling of team members and this is the moment we came to know that he has misused us. Even he got the linkedin access of our partners because he wanted to do some social media integration with website and changed some of the Linkedin's profile pictures of our partners without seeking consent (Abuse report from linkedin is submitted to cyber police). We have emailed hi again & he again replied that some fake pictures will be better for attraction (Copy of email has been supplied to cyber police). We have asked him to delete it immediately and handover the email id & password to us but he never replied (Copy of email supplied to cyber police). He even managed to changed the linkedin password of one of our partner. Moreover Mobile number he has provided to us went unreachable. He started threating us that if we don't pay him 10 Bitcoin as ransom he will ruin our career completely. And he did it successful. On legallyIndia platorm everyone is showing hatred to us & even we have received so many hatred emails. we initially ignored this and started taking actions to strike down the site. We now came to know that he is from sri lanka. We have been honestly doing our work from last 4 years and have some GST, M&A and taxation clients. Why we will do this to damage ourselves. What can we achieve by creating a fake superficial website. It all happened so quickly that we were in chaos. We have now decided to file Criminal FIR and Court Case to proceed further. Even that hacker is constantly updating our page and seeking ransom. Our 4 years of silent hardwork completely ruined now. We are afraid that none of our partners might take a wrong step on his/her life. We want all the members please do not spread hatred. please listen our side too. Thank you !!
(𝐔𝐫𝐠𝐧𝐞𝐭 𝐑𝐞𝐩𝐨𝐫𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠) We are a small law firm with 5 partners only (all are Indians & their linkedin Ids are available). None of other ids belong to us except few names. Website was temporarily created with Google Sites. Our Google Sites's id was mishandled or hacked the very moment we have launched it. We suspect that this has been done by the same person whom we have hired to design the basic version of this google sites. We have already reported this matter to Google & Cyber Police and Today we are going to file an FIR too. We have also update about this incident on our Linkedin Page. Since then someone is running a malafide campaign against us on all platforms & even sending us abusive mails in different languages. we don't know why? Cyber police has tracked down 44 ip locations & matter is under investigation. We have made Hundreds of efforts to get our site down asap. We have also mailed to Legally India platform regarding this thread created by someone & posting anonymously. We have not cheated anyone as of now. Neither our intention was to cheat anyone. How can anyone suppose to cheat with law firm site. Cheating can be done by various ponzi investment schemes easily and law firms can only function as long as they have trustful clients. How can anyone expect that revealing a founder name & email address & even a basic website, we have intention to cheat anyone. Is it a crime to start law firm? Even on this Legally India platform some guest users running a fake post with full hatred like the founder is a hedge fund manager or living in the US or married to an American lawyer. We have decided to proceed with Criminal FIR & Court case now to get this google site down & will surely find one who was running all this fake thing. At the last, we are just a small law firm who was thinking to go big & thats why we hired someone to create a website but he advised us to create Google site as it will take only 1 day to launch. We have all the details of payment receipt made to him, Email conversations & same has been supplied to Cyber Police. We are requesting this thread users please do not spread hatred.
The final shortlist of Top-15 across fields for Rhodes is out. From GNLU (since I am from GNLU), 1 student has made the cut from the pre-final list, while 1 student who is running an ambitious Project Sathi NGO has been knocked out from the race.
At our end, we don't track IP addresses on LI either, we only record an obfuscated and encrypted IPs that looks like this in your case, for example, and which is also not a completely unique identifier:
Further, this pseudonymous IP encryption key gets reset and thrown away every 24-48 hours, so even if we were really clever and really wanted to we couldn't deduce your actual IP from this after a day or two.
Of course, end of the day, you kind of have to trust us on this and despite our measures to safeguard your anonymity and using an encrypted https connection, it's theoretically probably possible for tracking at your ISP, law school, firm or Pegasus-spying or NSA level to deduce posts that you make.
In short, if you're really really really worried about this or you're leaking state secrets, probably don't use the internet, or if you are, use a VPN and/or Tor and other measures to protect your anonymity...
Yes information about individuals kind of efficient in spotting punctuation errors and knowing basics of MS Word is very essential for government control.
I'm incredibly proud of the Gen Z lot that are now taking up A0-A1 positions in firms for creating actual change that we late millennials couldn't. It took so much out of my life and soul to make Partner at a T1 and now I am envious of the freshers who have the guts to stand up to exploitation and say no. My team has seen improved hours and better management of work expectations ever since we've had to deal with high attrition from freshers who simply refuse to sacrifice their sleep and health for arbitrary deadlines. What was annoying at first has actually led to institutional change that I couldn't make happen in my time.
To youngsters reading this: 70 hours is a joke. Do your 40, go live your life. Your parents are the youngest now they will ever be, your relationships still stand a chance and your back pains haven't set in yet. Hustle and grind but never at a personal cost. Cheers to your generation and thanks from mine.
Incidentally Kabir and Arvind were school classmates at Joseph's before they got into NLS. Arvind has spoken in an interview with NLS student zine about how Kabir was a great ally and helped him with his coming out process. Kabir is now an IL honcho and works with a UN agency.
Their degrees are much more interdisciplinary and inter-related so it’s not impossible for employers to hire them. Plus yes their college offers a lot of streamlined electives concerning finance/tech (not scam courses like our indigenous colleges) which will enhance the knowledge of a person and will make him/her employable even if their background is more humanities-oriented. In UK even if you have a different degree- you still can make your portfolio finance oriented if you want. Here a BA from a mere DU (even if it’s Stephens, the metric of employability is low and a MBA is required) will not properly prepare you for a desk job at Goldman. Maybe SRCC is an exception but only to a certain extent.
Hi mate. So first of well Ba from a Hindu college is nice. But if you want to do a BALLB degree with it, it’s not gonna be a train wreck, rather a unique career trajectory. In nujs and nalsar, there are a lot of people who did a general BA degree first (although they dropped out later on) and then cracked clat to become a lawyer. This one GNLU person completed his bachelors from Hansraj and then pursued a BALLB. They all are in terrific places now. Especially one of them is in a Magic Circle Firm.
My point is that if you are decided about law, make sure you crack the top 5 and then get your degree. There will be no remedy if you join other nlus. Maybe HNLu will also work. So prep well
Since clat is unpredictable, buck up your attitude for MBa as well (CAT is tougher but there are better MBA colleges in totality than law) for a backup. You need to smoothly transition into law. And if that means law firm, then you are on a right path. Your degree is your strength not weakness. There are a lot of people out there who did the same thing. Some other person suggested to take the CUET five year llb as well. Not bad! Keep your options open. Maybe give ailet so that you don’t miss the Delhi culture.
We will wait for genuine figures to appear. This does not give anyone the right to unnecessarily slam a college based on vague research. LI appreciates constructive criticism, but the approach should be sensible not stupid.
Hi guys, would appreciate some help here. I am a student of a top 5/top 6 NLU. I want an internship with an MP on my CV as I want to apply for scholarships abroad. I know that past Rhodes, Chevening, Felix, DAAD etc scholars have done such internships. Plus, I need variety on my CV as it's too corp law focused.
I am personally a political conservative and BJP supporter, but I want to intern with a left-liberal INDIA alliance opposition MP as that gives more credibility when applying abroad. I also want to intern with an English-speaking MP, as English is the only language I am comfortable working in. I made the shortlist below. I had Mahua Moitra and Praful Patel as well, but I have removed Mahua as she is likely to be expelled and Patel because he is about to join the BJP.
Any suggestions on who I can add to the shortlist? Also, more importantly, how do I apply? Do I just call/email their office? Is an NLU tag enough? Do I need to go through a contact?
Absolutely! Adding to this, for general courses NUS had a maximum credit transfer limit of 12. But for law/medicine it’s the double. So you can spend well more than two years.
Imagine this- NLS+NUS….Employers and Rhodes will have an org**m to say the least.
Also the accelerated JD programme at Northwestern is pretty good (although good GPA and excellent lsat scores).
As a former mooter and current moot judge I would offer the following:
1. Read your memorials well. Some if not most judges have looked at them beforehand so you need to be on top of your argument.
2. Make eye contact with the judges - if there is more than one, keep switching. Observe our reactions closely - most of us are not pokerfaces and you will be able to tell if we're bored or find your argument interesting.
3. Elocute, don't read. If you merely read out your memorial it reflects rather poorly - why have an oral round then? You should have the outline of your argument in your head and only refer to the memorial or notes for support (say, a citation). It helps if you draw judges' attention to specific paragraphs or parts of the memorial - it shows us that you know your submissions.
4. Don't get flustered when you're asked questions. Practice with a friend beforehand on this. If you need a moment, ask for permission and take one - we won't pounce.
5. If you're doing a rebuttal or sur-rebuttal you need to engage with the opposite side's argument and provide a convincing response. Focus on the parts of the memorial they bring up during their oral arguments.
1) Look at everything from the firm's perspective wrt client management and deliverable execution
2) Although T1 law firms are lala setups where your attire/smell/bags/watches will be things which your peers, partners and clients will judge you for; be modest with your expenditure in your first 3 years but remember to look sharp and not shabby or loud.
3) Function like a team, help your peers out with bulky assignments, seek feedbacks and most importantly make sure the client and reporting partners notice your contribution during meetings - all of this will be factored during promotions.
4) Remember that not all your team members can be trusted as colleagues, simply stay away from office politics, bitching about people and opening up about personal details since you never know what goes against you in any given moment. In this regard, avoid too many smoke breaks and don't find an excuse to abuse alocohol in your system during team/deal closing dinners.
5) Lastly, do not ever get too close to an intern; if you know what I mean.
Totally possible! But for law and medicine you have different transfer windows and the GPA accepted is significantly higher for both of these courses. So make sure you fulfil the eligibility and criteria. As of now NLS does have a basic MOU with NUS. So if you are from there, I guess it MAY work. All the best!
I am from MNLU Mumbai. No clue why we get so much hate but ok. In 2023 25 people got a job at T1 and T2 out of a batch of 58. 2024 batch has 120 students and 10 have already secured PPOs, some are doing their call back internships. The current PPOs range from 10 LPA to 22 LPA. do let me know if you need more information.
For instance my parents kicked me out on my birthday. I have no incentive to lie here. It was a rough time and I was barely 19 at that time. I did odd jobs (like waiting tables, helping in plantation drives, sweeping sometimes and funded my law school like that). I won’t mention the batch and which nlu to keep my anonymity intact. I did academically well and till only two frnds know about this. I also got decent scholarships from college to flourish. Currently working at a tier-1 in Mumbai. I still did bartending as I didn’t want to forget my roots of struggle and tbh I will restart it again.
What I am saying is that no one will give a damn. So instead of coming on legally india and asking about a recourse- find out where you are good at (assuming you are a law student, pardon for undermining the sample viewership of LI), do odd jobs(trust me it helps the economy and respects those who are in the profession), and maybe for your own mental health- don’t contact your parents. But if you have already reconciled (which should be the primary step anyway) then it’s good.
I was about to upvote this comment but sorry this got downvoted instead. Absolutely true. Been in the same boat and conquered the battle like a hero. I hope OP can do it as well. All the best!!
Just to intervene politely. Clat has become annoyingly unpredictable so good mock scores are not a way to judge your good outcome. So instead of worrying about your age (which isn’t that big of a deal trust me) prepare well. The people in your boat may have given clat again and failed to crack it. That’s why the silence :). Just an educated observation and I love your determination.
All the best brother! Any help you need, you can text here.
Sometime age gap happens due to even one month! Does anyone question that? NO! No one cares brother. Even if you announce it on mic, then also everyone won’t judge you. Because it normal. Also lemme tell you an interesting incident.
One of frnds had to undergo a 2.5 year drop (clat happened 6 months early last year and this year as well for 2024) due to his silly OMR mistakes. He was a tad bit concerned about him being around 19-20. But some students informed him that it was very common and in fact entering law school around 19.5-20 has become streamlined to a substantial extent now. He cracked clat with a flying score, bagged tier-1 and no one even questioned about his age. But he did get a lot of hype (more than me) because of his result. He even cracked lnat and bagged a decent scholarship to go to a decent UK Uni. He became more famous. Use this situation to your advantage not as an unnecessary burden.
Thanks everyone who responded. I have read the threads that people have referenced here. You all have helped me gain a little perspective and have eased my worries to an extent. While I still have a few things to be concerned about, I will no longer dwell on my age (as a commenter said I'm not "prehistoric" afterall haha).
I also feel well enough to fill the registration form.
And if I clear clat, just know that your encouraging words helped me gather enough strength to do it.
Honestly the comments are so wholesome. This is a stupid thing to even think about. You will find a lot of students who will be in the same boat as yours. Also remember the day you crack clat with a fascinating rank. No one will even bother to ask your age
Age is never an issue bro. In fact in one of our junior batches a lot of 19-20 aka droppers are there. They haven’t turned 21 yet but they will be like after 7-8 months. An 18 year old will also turn 19 after the aforementioned duration. Why/How does it matter? It’s a five year course. There are a lot of precedents. You may not find someone in the same boat but in nujs and in fact nls as well (my bff is from there) you have a lot of overachievers who are from your age bracket. No 19-20 year old is even a ‘old’ student. They are quite young. 21 can be a bit old but again nowadays even that has become common. And trust me this age is nothing.
In fact one of the graduates whose age range was 24-25 got a good LLM scholarship plus now working at a magic circle.
Plus you can offset some credits after an exchange, get extra credit to reduce a semester (you may participate in an international moot and can have it evaluated - it happened with one of our junior batches) and even perform brilliantly well to spend the final year at a foreign Uni to negate the factor of ‘being old’. This can be a good ripple effect. But honestly you are relatively young. My advice would have worked for a 23-24 old incoming student (although I will never judge them) but you still have time. I don’t know why y’all are getting worked up for this.
At your age people care too much about age. I have worked in a US law firm. At 35 years of age someone is still a senior associate, while someone else just made partner. Even back when I was in class xii, I vividly remember the age gap being three years between the youngest and the eldest in the same class. It;s fine bro, don't try to confirm to societal standards of being in a particular age group to achieve a particular milestone. Also apart from what has been pointed above, there is one more beautiful answer by another Nalsar alum on graduating at 25 from Nalsar. I am sure if you put in the right key words you will find it. Now when I am 35 I really see 25 as very young. Nothing wrong in graduating at 25 from a T1 school. Nothing wrong in graduating even at 30 from anywhere for that matter.
15+ PQE here. No one cares. By the time you reach 35, there will be folks at 32 and folks at 38 who are in the same place you are. The age gap in a typical class is easily 24-30 months at times. Go out there and crack it, and all the best :)
There is a very beautiful response (and ofc others as well) by a graduate (current student my bad) from NALSAR. As you already know that till 20/20+ the first year is pretty much secure and normal as well. But don’t worry. There will be a couple of people who will be/who already were 21 when they entered law school. I can understand the anxiety. When I joined law school around a year back, I was 20. I had a ‘phew’ reaction because I wasn’t 21 yet- so I wouldn’t feel old. But honestly that’s quite immature. I saw a bunch of 21 year olds doing well in law school from the first year. In fact one of them is a topper already. And it won’t matter because anyway 50% of the graduates will be around the age limit of 23-25. You will be just a year older.
If you are doing well on your mocks - just focus on that and secure your career. No one will remember. Rather what will be remembered is if you get a single digit rank in clat. Right? Think like that. There are a lot of options (some uncertainties as well) in a tier-1 nlu. Don’t worry. And don’t feel old. You will be a year or a two older than the bunch. It’s not like you are pre-historic or something!
1) Primarily, you will be staffed on very mind numbing due diligences - the kind which you cannot even prepare for since it will revolve around clearing the comments of the bankers/underwriters on the draft offer document. Start studying drafts from now itself, if you have the time.
2) Creating dockets and backup security options for the BRLMs to the issue; it involves bearing the grunt of understanding the issue process and underlying risks which may arise accring to default; owing to which you create security and backup options - involves a lot of back and forth (on calls) with IBs, most of which is too gibberish to understand as an AO. Thus, reading intricacies of ECM is very very very important.
3) Understanding CIBIL searches, Watchout Investor Searches and Requistion CList Formulations since the due diligence report will have an aspect of the same (discretionary as per the firm's call).
4) Creating key difference tables when master circulars pop in: this shall include the "old circular number, new circular number, previous position of precedent and new material changes, if any" in that order - this is kind of tricky since you have to know how to read one circular as against the other and figure out what has been changed in a MC which has a lotttt of circulars mentioned. You get one thing wrong and you fuck up the transaction and the nature of disclosures involved.
5) Comprehensive PPTs on investor decks, KPIs, risk analysis and business overview - mostly done by foreign counsels but being well versed with the same helps a lot during negotiations.
6) Understanding the nuances of each chapter on the ECM offer document; therefore, a firm grasp of the latest amendments to the ICDR and LODR will be your bread and butter.
7) Knowing shortcuts on Word and Excel is a must because you will be working with IBs and allied finance tycoons which operate solely on Excel and not knowing anything here or there will leave a bad impression on behalf of you & the firm. Do not act as if you know it all or else you'll get fucked.
8) Lastly, please let it sink that after choosing this menace of practice - long hours are common, bonuses are slightly stagnated as against your M&A/B&F peers & chances of switching to GC/M&A is very sleek. Best part is that the work is cyclical and you will have days when you can go and tailor your suit, get that bag/watch for your next listing ceremony that will make headlines.
9) Word of caution - know what you are getting into since that life is not easy. You might glorify folks like Manan Lahoty, Yash Ashar, Sandip Bhagat etc; but trust me it will take years to reach that kind of level. So take one step at a time, seek redress if needed and learn to find joy in discomfort.
10) Breakup of Indian ECM firms in my honest opinion:
T1 Firms - CAM, IndusLaw, S&R, SAM, KCO
T2 Firms - JSA, AZB, Trilegal, Saraf, L&L
T3 Firms - CrawfordB, Bharucha, Rajani, SNG, Juris Corp
My sincere apologies for this long message but I hope this helps.
Trilegal has recently sent out a form for internship applications without asking for CVs. I wanted to know how many people are shortlisted for the CV verification round usually just on the basis of CGPAs.
Hello, please update the placement stats in each NLU - be specific and include in-house jobs. (don't spam the comment section or start a fight on which NLU is better. I am just trying to get a perspective on which NLU to choose based on the latest placement stats.)
Clifford Chance and Freshfields hired from NUJS 2023 batch. For most firms, you can apply in your final year (as you're considered a non-law student because the Indian degree is not a UK qualifying law degree). A few firms allow penultimate year non-law students to apply too, research on those specifically. Also learn how to spell the names of the firms (ideally before you apply to them) - it's Baker McKenzie.
Please tell application timelines for vacation scheme applications for firms like Linklaters, Allen & Overy, HSF, Clifford Chance, etc. Also, how open are firms like Latham & Watkins, Baker Mckinsey, and Hogan Lovells to applications from Indian students?
Are there any vacation schemes I can apply after my 7/8th semester?
My dear friend, your concern for others is appreciated, but it doesn't identify the entirety of problems.
The fight is for changing the system. Problems with Tiers are just one of the results of the flawed system. What Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3. NLUs are failing. And not just Tier 2, Tier 3. But ALL OF THEM including Tier 1. People from Tier 1 come and bicker here to prove why one University is above the other. All NLUs and not just Tier 2 & 3 promote exclusionary education system. You would rarely see people from humble background taking admissions in these universities. If 5 people out of 120 belong to such background, then it's an exception not a norm.
Fees: Every NLU and not just Tier 2 & 3 charge exorbitant fees. Rs. 2.5 lacs per year could be now easily called as average fees for NLUs. Majority of people in this country don't have an annual income to that amount. And one wonders why does a degree in law require such heavy fee burden.
Every NLU and not just Tier 2 & 3 have admin issues. While I may agree that the authorities at 2 & 3 (generally) are more tyrannical (due to lack of proper representative authority of students, no pushback from Alumni base), Tier 1s have not completely shrug of such issues.
All NLUs promote corporatisation of legal system. While money remains one of the foundational ideal goals of an individual, NLU system has struck a deep blow to the traditional practice of law.
Not to mention, how NLUs have converted themselves into a place where students with deep pockets, who are brats of wealthy advocates and judges, take over the system and virtually diminish the balance which might be caused by an organised system.
And there are concerns. You yourself can better recall and summarise them.
Retake clat again if you feel unsettled in your tier-3 nlu.
IF you feel nervous to retake clat, actively work hard here. Reach out to professors and practitioners on LinkedIn, most importantly your alumni who made it into tier-1/2 law firms (I am sure there must be some) on how to improve your CV and portfolio.
Reach out to folks pursuing LLM at a decent foreign university. Make new connections with T-1 NLU ppl.
Improve your writing skills and article constructing style. Work really hard. Maybe you start your journey at a boutique firm but from there you can even go toe in toe with other law schools’s alumni if you are really that good.
Chill out bro! The ones sleeping were prolly studying till 5am on the previous night! In every institution in the world, u will find at least some students sleeping. It doesn't speak anything about standard of the place!
Yes I imagine that harish salve would be applauded a lot for even deciding to take on this case. It's the brazen misogyny that has and does prevent women from entering the Supreme Court litigation. And then men ask why the best lawyers are men? Because you discredit any amount of achievement a women works for in the court ( which is really hard considering the misogyny from judges, casual sexual harassment). So your definition of "best" is incredibly myopic and patriarchal.
I still remember the hate these women got for some prizes they won, like why? They won legendary cases. Its the same hate i see with Greta Thunberg, Malala and all other such women that they didn't do much and use the women card. Its weird because women like mother Teresa and Aung Syu ki who took more traditional and "silent" roles were applauded more, while revolutionary women are seen as disrupting the world or talking nonsense. As for men, they can do anything and still take the whole credit.
I sincerely ask you to put the misogynistic lens aside? Why do you hate these women so much? All Senior advocates their level "hog" screen time before the court, because it is a live telecast, it wasn't so before. It's not a made up comedy show, its admissible arguments, nobody other than people interested is watching.
Also they have definitely argued the best arguments, not just for today but previous judgments as well and have been more successful than the likes of male lawyers, who dont get this hate.
Can you look at the facts with more maturity and comment?
What's with the hate these women get? Don't see salve or abs getting the same for arguing for 5 mins? They get to keep all the credit, like all lead seniors, because they are eventually handling the case and get paid?
Ignore all the trolls below, or the naive frontbenchers telling you to "be yourself, and it doesn't matter". It absolutely matters, or you won't get re-invited to the right parties. If you don't know your way around alcohol, you will stick out in some circles.
First of all, you're framing your question wrong. It's not just about what to order. The more important thing is what NOT to do. You need to just get the basics right, and not be laughed at.
Here's everything you need to know.
1. First, as someone said, only wine, whiskey and gin carry cachet.
2. Do not order beer. This is the easiest way to appear nouveau riche/ clueless. Only college kids order it. There are plausible exceptions for craft beer and other hipster things, but its easiest to just ignore beer.
3. Do not order rum. This is the second easiest way to appear clueless. Only college kids order it. Work meetings are the wrong time to revert to Old Monk Nostalgia from college. Again, there are exceptions like Kraken and some Spanish rum, but that is for advanced drinkers, so avoid for now.
3. Do not order vodka. This is the third easiest way to appear clueless. It is uncool and has no cachet.
4. Whiskey. First of all, do not order soda. See above comments about college kids.
5. Only have whiskey with ice ("on the rocks"). It's also OK to have whiskey with some water, but just a "splash". 1 parts whiskey to 3 parts water is generally a good ratio. Any more water and you'll open yourself up to ridicule.
6. DO NOT DRINK WHISKEY LIKE WATER. Sip it slowly. The snobbish whiskey journals advise you to take nothing more than a sip of around a few drops, and let it coat your tongue, before swallowing it. A 30 ml pour should last you around 15-20 sips.
7. It's OK not to know the intricacies of whiskey brands, but here's the basics. Whiskey is divided into "single malt" (it is only made from one distillery) and "blended whiskey" (whiskey from many distilleries is blended into a consistent taste). Single malt is way up there on snob value, because of the "purity" and "unique character".
8. If you're a beginner, it's OK to stick to blends, but order the right brands. Price is generally a good indicator. Just download a few bar menus from Zomato and learn about different brands, then order things that are close in price to the brands I've listed below. But that comes with caveats. Firstly, DO NOT go for Chivas Regal or Johnny Walker Red Label. These are for nouveau riche types who dont understand whiskey, and it is mostly uncles who drink these along with chicken tikka. Order Johnny Walker Double Black ("it is slightly smoky, but not too smoky") or Monkey Shoulder. DO NOT order Johnny Walker Blue Label, unless someone offers it to you first.
9. If you're a beginner, there are some good single malts that are not too intimidating. Avoid Glenfiddich (pronounced Glen-fiddick, DO NOT say "fiditch"), since too many people know it. Glenlivet, Jura or Talisker are all good brands. It is also OK to order Amrut Fusion (Indian brand, but well regarded) or anything Japanese.
10. If the above brands are not available and you're stuck, don't worry. Audibly ask for JW Double Black or Talisker, and if they say that's not available then just pick something at random that isn't Chivas Regal or Glenfiddich.
11. Openly say you've mostly only had (insert brand from above) because you love the taste, but have not had too many other whiskies. Don't try to fake it beyond that. If you've done everything above, you've done enough to blend in (sorry not sorry) and not become a laughing stock.
12. Gin. First of all, the most important thing with gin is not the gin . It's the tonic water. Start by asking what tonic water they have. Fevertree is the gold standard, but Franklin is also good. Otherwise get Sepoy or Jimmys. If you don't want it too sweet, get Svami. As a last resort, take Schweppes. DO NOT ORDER SPRITE OR 7 UP OR COKE WITH GIN.
13.You can drink whiskey without ice, but you need ice for gin. At least 3 cubes, though even 8-10 cubes is OK. Use that to decide when to order what (time of day, weather). Generally, cold weather= whiskey with single or no ice cube, warm weather = gin. Daytime= gin, night= whiskey, but gin is also OK at night.
14. With gin, there are lots of brands, but there are a few that are "safe". Bombay Sapphire, Tanqueray, Hendricks are all good in foreign gins. For Indian gins, Hapusa and Stranger and Sons are good. Avoid Beefeater, Gordons and Greater Than.
15. Most gins are citrusy, so you can have them with a slice of lemon. The exception is Hendricks. You need to have Hendricks with cucumber, and preferably with cucumber tonic water. DO NOT HAVE HENDRICKS WITH LEMON.
16. Avoid cocktails, unless the people you want to impress are also having them. DO NOT ever order Long Island Ice Tea. They use cheap alcohol and you will get a headache. Avoid Margaritas and Mojitos. Avoid anything with Blue Curacao. If you don't have an option with cocktails, just order a martini. Read the room and see if you can order a pinacolada. It's also very safe to ask the server if they can make a hot cocktail for you, and then go with whatever they recommend.
17. Slowly start reading about whiskies and gins, and trying them out with friends or even on your own. Use the above tips, until you get there.
Hope this helps. Will do a Part 2 on wine if I have time.
LSE does not have a system of streamlined scholarship offers unlike some other uk unis (like University of Nottingham,UCL or KCL). You can strive to get into these unis and then apply for a moderate loan once you get in. All the best!
It is violative of both customary international law (incendiary munitions in populated areas) as well as protocol III to the CCW. Anyone with even a remote interest in international law would know how this is violative and not be asking ignorant questions. Please learn the law.
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Other conversations on this are honestly so insulated and boring. Can anyone give proper information here about the numbers? How many students from each college have been shortlisted and if you can tell, what are their names?
So, I have interned in small firms, working in the disputes department, for the last 4 years of college. Looking for places to apply for jobs now or at least assessment internships at firms that offer decent packages. any help, please?
In the early phase of my dragged-out career, I had my own fair share of exposure to the so-called "partner firm." It resembled a spider's web with a cunning matriarch at the center and a dozen seasoned lawyers, like unsuspecting flies, hoping against hope that someday the pie would be cut fairly.
This benevolent matriarch, let’s call her 'the Puppet Mistress,' was an expert at dangling dreams in front of these pros. She led this ragtag team of would-be partners in a dance of hope, always hinting at the tantalizing vision of the promised land: partnership at the firm they started their careers with. A designation to brag about and signal their arrival on the scene. These desperate dreamers were none other than the generously titled Associate Partners and Managing Associates of that hope-dystopia we loved coming to every day.
As the greenest sprout in this forest of disillusionment, I struck up unlikely friendships with a few of these wily old foxes. Our bi-weekly therapy sessions were held at the pride of Lower Parel, 'Ambiance Restaurant Ani Bar'. A place where Blender’s Pride with chakli (murukku) and schezwan chutney flowed freely, where frustrations were voiced loudly, and where promises of greener pastures seemed just a drink away. I sat there, nodding like a bobblehead, absorbing tales of woe and promises never kept.
Shortly after completing my two years at the firm, I started eyeing the exit. Then came the fateful Goa off-site. Between sips of heavily watered-down whiskey and the sound of crashing waves, the Puppet Mistress happily announced a merger with another firm. To say it was a bigger, badder shark in the legal ocean of mid-tier firms would be an understatement. Any illusion of our firm's autonomy was about to be swallowed whole. The only person who seemed to have secured a golden parachute out of this crash landing was our beloved Puppet Mistress.
Three months after this revelation, I had moved out of this firm, but not without pocketing a few friendships. Over time, these connections faded, with only a line on my CV reminiscent of that darkly comic chapter. Word on the street is that the Puppet Mistress took an extended sabbatical and handed her clients (and perhaps her puppet strings) to the new alpha shark. As for my old comrades, they drifted to other firms, which, for all I know, had their own puppet shows and pie-dangling matriarchs/patriarchs. The circle of life, I suppose.
But there is nothing to be gained from dwelling on these feelings. This is how the world operates. From another perspective i genuinely feel that you are very lucky that you had sh an experience quite early in your life
This will help you take more mature decisions which will be beneficial for your growth. The important thing is that rather than taking it as a setback consider it as a springboard for future success.
Compliance is returns & various forms preparation alongside financial statements &/or books of accounts. It includes transfer pricing, advance rulings, APAs, etc.
Same with international taxation. CAs from non-metros too have some or other form of work from international tax as every business has something to do with foreign entities. Of course Big 4 CA firms have lions share.
Representation is appearing for clients at various stages that include assessments at department level. First appeals & similar at department level. Second appeals at tribunal level. Big 4 are less interested here, they hire other CAs for labour arbitrage. They prefer consulting.
Till this level, CAs have major business. Later appeals are at high court & supreme court levels for that advocates are briefed.
If if one is fine to keep pace with thousands of amendments every year in various ways like law amendments & judgments, this is quite lucrative practice.
Not everyone needs to be Salves or Datars.
This is about direct tax practice. Indirect Tax practice is going to be LESS lucrative in my opinion (& I can be wrong) due to advent of AI & ML. Consultancy in IDT is quite limited. Compliance is heavy but it is dominated by non-CAs as anyone can do that. Litigation is going to boom in next 5 years after tribunals come into picture but later on they will go down as there won't be anything to dispute.
Anyways, no it's just a small bump - don't make it a big obstacle through your mind.
Also, for heaven's sake, pl don't take guidance from LI community where all of us are anonymous. Rather, approach a mature / established lawyer on whom you can trust and seek guidance.
All the best! :D
in terms of placements, these threads might be useful:
https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/recruitment-tracker/rectracker-nlu-jodhpur-successfully-concludes-day-zero-process-for-the-batch-of-2024
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/273191-gnlu-runs-the-show-amidst-a-grim-placement-season
NLUJ has always been more oriented towards a corporate culture too, as evident by its course curriculum and faculty.
besides that, the cultures at GNLU and NLUJ can vastly differ. i would recommend getting in touch with students who are currently studying there to ask about student life on both campuses
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7:00 AM - wake up and exercise
7:30 AM to 8:30 AM - get ready, reply to emails pertaining to deliverables of the previous night.
9:15 AM - reach office.
9:30 AM (+- 10 minutes) - I start working post drinking my coffee.
2:00 - 2:20 PM - lunch break; then back to work.
5:30 - 5:45 PM - second coffee break, socialise with colleagues from other teams.
9:00 PM - (mostly virtual) meeting with my partner and PA, status update, plan of action for tomorrow.
9:30 PM - 9:45 PM - pack up, leave.
10:30 PM - reach home, eat dinner
11 PM to 1 AM (2 am on a particularly busy day) - read up on documents for tomorrow, look at drafts / advisory from previous transactions and make a written note of things to be done tomorrow. Any time I am done with work by 12 PM I generally watch Netflix or go for a walk in my residential society.
Toh sab sahi hai
Now, to the question at hand
I'm currently an FY student at a pretty good T-2 NLU who had the opportunity to enjoy the 6-month break bestowed upon me by the Consortium with the exam being held in December.
Firstly, the 6 month break is something you'll surely reminisce about once you enter Law school. The period is a time for R&R because once you get into law school, you'll realize it's not something you can sail through without grinding. You would have countless project submissions, publications, inter/intra moots, and your end-term/mid-term examinations to worry about at the same time!
Secondly, I suggest you take up something you wished to pursue but couldn't due to time constraints imposed by CLAT/ Board Preparations. Learn a new language, or a new instrument, binge-watch movies, or catch up with old friends. You have 5 years to intern but only 6 months to do the stuff that aren't purely academic related.
Thirdly, an internship now isn't beneficial in the short or long run. A legal internship requires you to know how to read and interpret the law, this is a skill you acquire over 5 years of college life and hone throughout your professional life. Thus the stuff you do learn from the internship would more likely go over your head, never to be utilized in the near future.
If you do wish to know about the Law ( emphasis supplied on "Law") You could rather read blogs or basic articles on the same. These can shine a light on various branches or niche areas of law that you might work on once you join law school. I do not expect someone who hasn't entered law school to know fully about the defects of the Postal Rule of Communication, you know it only when you have a sufficient understanding of Contract Law and the fundamental essentials of making a contract.
Take a chill pill and relax. You have all the time to intern once you join law school. Use the break for introspection and self-reflection. You as an individual, rarely get the time to focus on your intrinsic needs and wants. If the 6 months break allows you to do the same, exploit it. You won't be at a disadvantage if you don't intern nor will you lose anything by not interning.
See the 6 months break as a reward for cracking CLAT!
PE/VC: Rajaram, Bombay Law Chambers, Majmudar
GC: SAMVAD, Krishnamurthy, Argus
ECM: CrawfordB, Rajani, IndusLaw
DCM: SNG, TT&A, JSA
B&F: Juris Corp, Wadia Ghandy, Link Legal
Aviation: BTG Advaya, Sarin, RNC
Projects: HSA, Link Legal, Phoenix Legal
Real Estate: Federal & Co, Dhaval Vussonji, Wadia Ghandy
TMT: Naik & Naik, Ikigai, Spice Route Legal
IPR: Saikrishna, RK Dewan, Lall & Sethi
Funds: Stratage, Begur, ICUL
IBC: PSL, Dhir & Dhir, DSK Legal
Disputes: P&A, Rashmikant, Mulla & Mulla
FinReg: MDP, Regstreet, FINSEC
White Collar: Parinam, MZM Legal, Bharucha
Shipping: Brus Chambers, ZBA, Bose & Mitra
Employment: ALMT, Kochhar, NDA
International Trade: Sarvada, Clasis, ELP
Competition: Gaggar, Chandhiok, DMD
Insurance: Tuli, NDA, CSL Chambers
Direct Tax: NDA, LKS, ELP, Vaish, BMR
Indirect Tax: NDA, LKS, ELP, Vaish, BMR
“Don’t worry. You will learn on the job.”
While it is true that most of the drafting work, and even the experience of how to manage a due diligence comes from working on a live deal, there are actually a few things which I could have done before joining the job. I feel this would have made my transition in the first few months much easier.
You see – when we learn something new, we usually have a reference framework basis which we learn the new thing. Let’s say you are trying to learn how to speak in Gujarati. Intuitively, your brain will try to link it with your previous experience of the words you normally use in Hindi, and how certain words are spoken differently in Gujarati. On the contrary, if you suddenly move to a new country (let’s say China) where everyone speaks a very different language and they have foreign concepts such as tones while speaking, you will constantly struggle to say even basic words.
Joining a banking finance team (or any other niche practice area) straight out of college feels a lot like that because the supposed “reference framework” you have built up by studying in college doesn’t help. You are basically starting from scratch, and without a background in finance and deals moving quickly, the initial months can become painful. So hopefully the following tips should help you build a reference framework and ease your transition into the finance world:
LEVEL: BEGINNER
1. News: Interest in business developments:
Assuming you are starting from the absolutely beginning, I think a good place to start is read financial news/ newsletter so you can develop some interest in finance. Websites like ‘TheCapTable’, ‘Bloomberg’ and ‘The Ken’ usually have paywalls, so I would recommend websites like ‘Finshots’ – they publish only 1 story a day, so it’s easier to keep up.
For example, ed-tech company Byjus is currently in a legal dispute with BCCI over sponsorship revenue. A while back, Finshots had come out with an article on Byju defaulting on its loan repayment:
https://finshots.in/archive/byjus-refuses-to-repay-its-1-2-billion-loan/
[This is a good introduction to concepts like Term loan, rating agency, LIBOR]
2. LinkedIn: Following deal alerts
Before you understand what documents are involved in legal work, it is important to follow deal alerts to understand broadly what kind of work is done by law firms. My suggestion:
Follow TT&A on LinkedIn.
Wait, why not other firms like KCO, SAM etc. which are also working in the debt space? Sure, you can (and you should) follow other firms, but personally I feel that since firms like TT&A are boutique firms working in the debt space, every other update on their LinkedIn page deals with some banking related work. Whereas with other full service law firms, since they post on variety of practice areas, your LinkedIn feed will be filled with various other updates, and you may miss the relevant alert.
Information overload is real.
3. LinkedIn: Subscribe to news reporters, not newspapers
Initially, I would read newspapers to stay up-to-date with any news related to banking. But this was a rookie mistake. You see, unlike M&A/ PE work where newspapers often cover funding raises or mergers between companies, or even capital markets work where newspapers regularly cover IPO news of newly listed companies, in relation to banking finance work, there is hardly any coverage of companies availing loans or issuing debentures. This is because these things are extremely confidential and companies wouldn’t want the public to know about their funding actions. Occasionally, news coverage does happen when companies default on loans and are about to be dragged into insolvency, or if there is some government project financing work. But apart from this, there is generally no coverage.
Instead, I would suggest - follow these news reporters on LinkedIn. They work with the top financial newspapers and only post when they have something relevant to share:
Krishna Merchant – IFR/ also posts on Twitter
Tamal Bandyopadhyay – Business standard
Sangita Mehta – Economic Times
Ira Dugal – Reuters News
Paula Seligson – Bloomberg
This is going to help you stay up-to-date with market dynamics and also anticipate what kind of deals your firm will be working on. While some of the articles may be behind paywalls, the news reporters often give descriptions while posting on Twitter/ LinkedIn.
4. Follow clients on LinkedIn
There are several banks, financial institutions and private credit funds which are clients for these banking deals. You can easily figure them out by going through deal alerts of various law firms on LinkedIn. For banks, I wouldn’t recommend following them on LinkedIn as their pages mostly reply to customer grievances.
But since we are in the ‘golden age of private credit’, you can follow private credit funds and their higher level employees. The top management often post their thoughts on LinkedIn. Edelweiss is a big name in this space.
Note: On a day-to-day basis, lawyers don’t refer to the above sources. But if you are starting out as an A0, the above sources will help you understand the important context within which the deals take place.
LEVEL: INTERMEDIATE
Here are some tips which will complement the work done in law firms. The following points don’t involve the actual hard work done in law firms, but gives you a window into the kind of work you can expect:
1. Invest in IPOs, stocks
Investing in IPOs is as simple as downloading the Kite app by Zerodha. Trading in stocks is an easy way to get a sense of the stock market, and it is as simple as swiping to buy/sell a stock on Kite. By actually investing in stocks yourself, you will yourself take the initiative to read offer documents, read up about the securities market, develop a basis understanding of primary/ secondary market, and understand the role of depository participants.
This way, when you have to review Form 39 while working on a live transaction, you won’t be wondering what is CDSL, NSDL, NeSL.
Read more about CDSL: https://finshots.in/markets/cdsl-is-rich-thanks-to-the-stock-market-boom/
Additionally, as lawyers, we have to work on the PAS-4 form which is filed during debenture issuance. The offer letter/ shelf prospectus for an IPO has similar language and reading such documents beforehand will make the transition easier. No need to read all 500+ pages, just glace through them once.
2. Cursory review of DTDs on the BSE website
This bit is specifically for banking work involving debenture issuance. Although you may not have access to the confidential documents being drafted by law firms, there are several DTDs available on the BSE website. Now, the obvious question arises that without any background in banking practice, which DTD is a good precedent.
Here is a sample of a Debenture Trust Deed for ‘secured, listed, redeemable non-convertible debentures’. It is only 44 pages so for a beginner, it should be relatively easy to review this. Although the DTDs we work in law firms are usually 200+ pages and have more complex concepts and structures, as a starting point, this can be a good base to familiarize yourself how a DTD draft is structured.
Sample debenture trust deed:
https://www.bseindia.com/corporates/download/11459/PPDI_Prior/DTD%20AKCFL%2028052021%20signed_20210528185955.pdf
For example, in Recital B of the document, there is reference to shareholder resolution passed under Section 180(1)(a) and 180(1)(c). Recital B also has reference to Section 42 (deals with private placement of securities) and Section 71 (deals with Debentures). Going back to the Companies Act, and just reading up these sections definitely helps.
As an A0, while you won’t have to draft the DTD as it will be too complicated, you may have to draft these resolutions and also update the items as part of conditions precedent checklist. So it helps to know when Section 180 is applicable during debenture issuance and when it is not. [This para will make more sense if you have already done one transaction]
Another executed debenture trust deed (with stamp duty):
https://www.bseindia.com/corporates/download/9576/Debenture%20Trust%20Deed/Pragati%208%20-%20EFSL%20-%20Executed%20DTD_20230724174245.pdf
3. Invest in bonds
If investing in stock markets, and hoping for 100% returns via IPOs gives you a kick, here’s another avenue to boost your savings - ‘WintWealth’. WintWealth runs a platform which allows you to invest in FDs and bonds, and they also run a blog which discuss concepts related to debentures.
You can choose to invest in bonds to get an investor perspective on debenture issuance, or simply follow their blog. While I wouldn’t use the blog as a legal source, their blog does a good job in breaking down concepts. Such as this article on market-linked debentures:
https://www.wintwealth.com/blog/bonds-vs-market-linked-debentures/
LEVEL: ADVANCED
I suppose this will happen when you are working under a partner/ experienced lawyer.
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That’s all for today!
XOXO
Dalal Street Attorney
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If you are new here, check out the introduction to banking finance I wrote a while back on LI:
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/277270-banking-finance-oversimplified-part-1
For more information, you can find all my posts at one place here:
https://dalalstreetattorney.wordpress.com/2023/10/11/banking-finance-oversimplified-part-1-overview/
- Difficult seniors and team politics
- Better hikes at other firms
- Work life balance issues
- Wrong practice area
- Relocating to another city
2) For Senior Associates (SA1 - SA3)
- Better hikes at other firms
- Marriage with colleagues
- PA/Counsel offers from rival firms
3) For Principal Associates (PA/Counsels)
- Marriage with colleagues
- Bleak chances of making partner
- Politics with the reporting partner concerning the book size, client retention, mandate management and miscommunications.
4) Partners
- Larger fixed bands at other firms i.e. larger takehome portion of the business generated for the firm
- Some switch to T2s for better work life balance
- Most of them go for in-house roles
We should stop doing a trial by media and the media should stop all coverage on this topic until the CBI enquiry is over.
We are not only marking this entire thread trollish but also actively urging each one of you to not indulge in rumours related to apparent ‘scams’.
SAM - definitely try mailing their mumbai GC partners, they reply. there competition law team in mumbai has a sweet partner who also responds to mails. I know of good 5 people in my batch who have gotten internships like this.
AZB - Did not work for me. Had partners reply back saying use HR channels. Apparently worked for some of my juniors. Cant say much.
3Legal - Worked until initial months of this year but apparently they have now gotten back to RCCs and have asked them to stop students from mailing partners.
KCo - Worked for me fortunately but 95% doesnt. I was just lucky. plain simple. partners wont even open your CV, its dependant upon a) your mail and cover letter and more importantly b) their MOOD. Have heard it work out for others, try their bangalore or kolkata office. They take interviews and take interns.
CAM - not going to work out at all. Even if you're lucky then its not worth it because to get placed, you need to go through RCC channels. Like this, you'd at best be able to get a 3 week internship while the mandate for a callback/assessment is a min. 4 weeks. So unless you have a very strong contact, no point in applying.
Indus - does work. has worked for my batchmates in the 3rd year also.
The key is to send mails with some context. They have written something, you have written something or if there has been a development or you've interacted with them in some conference/session then. Send timely follow ups, DO NOT SPAM please.
Its just shooting your shot for most parts, no guarantees though.
1. Publishing on platforms as the one mentioned in your question would be fine, ONLY till the time you gain the confidence to go for indexed journals. Consider the ' "exposure" milega, stipend nahi' scenario. I would consider both situations analogous. Yes, please note the double quotation marks I used for exposure, thanks.
2. The value addition to your CV, as to writing articles for LI, at best is a participation certificate. #SorryLIMaafKaro
3. Before submitting your articles onto any website, make sure you check up their policies as to cross-publishing on other platforms, including rules pertaining to sharing on social media handles
4. Do not send forth your articles onto any website, unless you have looked up their website and satisfied your own self as to the legitimacy of the concerned publication platform. Check up, among other things, as to how recent are the other publications on the concerned platform. Look up the published volumes, published blogs, among others. These are ordinarily available online in case of most major publication platforms, whether blogs or journals. While at it, if available, also have a look at the concerned publication's LinkedIn or other networking/ social media page, of any.
5. Ordinarily most blogs have year round publication cycles, and typically have a limited scope as to word limit. Journals, reputed ones at least at best have a quarterly publication cycle. Plan your articles accordingly
6. I do not know whether you are pursuing your degree in law from an NLU or other top-tier institution, or a local University with slightly limited resources and/ or relative disinclination towards legal research. Whatever be the case, learn how to use the available library resources. Understand how to put the Internet to good use.
As a matter of abundant caution, let me state that I am NOT insinuating that non-NLUs don't have a legal research culture, nor do I want to open the NLU vs. non-NLU debate here. Nonetheless, it is known that most law schools in India do have their limitations so far as dedicated resources- material or otherwise, in respect to legal research would be into consideration.
7. Be mindful of understanding and duly abiding by the citation styles adopted by the concerned publication. Cite with utmost honesty.
8. Follow platforms such as Lawctopus, Livelaw, Bar and Bench ong others to stay updated with relevant opportunities.
TLDR: LI is not really your best bet for significant publications in the long run. Would not really recommend.
Note:
A. Ample chance that OP @Aspirant or any other person coming across this thread might be of the opinion that this answer is a significant digression from the actual question.
B. I have admittedly, albeit unabashedly hijacked this thread in order to state what I would have really wanted to know during my first year at Law School.
C. Some individuals are fortunate to get the above information at their law schools or through their peer network, some are not. Here's hoping that this reply does aid those in the latter group, at least a bit.
Always remember 80% is diet 20% is exercise. And for exercise you don't need to do 6 days PPL hardcore gym. Sure that maybe optimal but our goal here is not bodybuilding.
Opt for options like full body 3x a week, or upper lower 4 times.
This is because in a 6 day split even if you miss one day your entire moral falls down. Alternatively in a 4 day split say Monday Tuesday Thursday Saturday, even if I due to some urgent work and not able to workout on Tuesday, I can shift it to Wednesday. You get buffer days.
Have atleast 1 day (sunday, but preferably 2 if you can squeeze in) for cardio because heart health is important, for this you can run, cycle, swim anything.
Along with this try to get 10k steps daily, this is fairly easy I hit over 12k just by backing to and fro from parel station to one world and then a little walking throughout the day.
Don't let your law firm life ruin your health.
Alternatively, get a pull up bar installed at your home because our work hours are not fixed and will never align with the gym timings (unless you have access to a society gym). Pushups, pull-ups, you can definitely afford dumbles and resistance bands, will be more than enough to get you into shape (not optimal for muscle building exactly but it's definitely better than nothing).
This is not only for your body, but trust me working out and taking care of yourself helps the mental health as well.
AIBE is quite honestly a cakewalk. It is easy. If you can manage the same however, do try and attempt a paper or two (you could get the past papers online, I guess), and IF POSSIBLE, try to do the same within the actual time-limit and in the actual setting. AIBE is less about preparing for the exam, and more about how you take the exam.
BEFORE THE EXAM/ EXAM-PREP
1. Read the contents of the Bare Acts.
2. This might sound as if I am pulling your leg, but in all honesty, know the names of the Acts which you would be carrying
3. I had put flags/ Post-It type notes on the first page of the Bare Acts I was carrying. This helped me pick out the one which I really wanted for a particular question, instead of having to turn to the cover-page. Saved me a ton of time
4. As stated earlier, try and attempt 1-2 past papers. The answers- you might not even have to reach out to the Bare Act/s. OMR sheet marking EATS into those three hours.
5. Be prepared to attempt some questions pertaining to landmark judgements.
DAY OF THE EXAM/ DURING THE EXAM
Naturally, carry the necessary documents, stationery material, etc.
1. Reach your centre early. Gives you time to set up your workspace the way you want it. Setting out 15+ Bare Acts in the most easily accessible manner, given the space constraints at some centres is no joke.
2. Be very careful and meticulous in filling up the necessary details on the OMR sheet.
3. No negative marking. So attempt every question.
4. Keep an eye on the watch. Time does seem to go veeeeery slow in the first 2 hours, and within a flash, it is time to turn in your OMR sheet.
So, marks (wont matter during lateral hiring) > Internships > Publications/Int moots > Other moots
Note: moots don't hold weight if its a mere participation; either you win or you lose.
Best of luck friend!
I graduated from GNLU in 2016. Due to some health issues/ family reasons had to join LPO now Regretting like hell. Salary/increments are chillar. Very much worried. Why I stayed here for 7 years? Was bound to. Can't reveal here. Please advise guys how to move to In-hoise or law firms. Anybody has sailed through such boat? Help, depressed. I don't mind working even as an A0 or half salary in begining. No troll please
1) SAM (Mumbai and Delhi)
- Delhi saw mass attrition recently but still hasn't recruited people until now
- Mumbai is on a freeze
2) IndusLaw (Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore)
- Mumbai is always hiring
- Delhi is terrible
- Bangalore is a small team and never loses talent
3) KCO (Mumbai, Noida, Bangalore)
- Mumbai is on a freeze; prefers laterals
- Noida is a good option
- Bangalore is a small team and never loses talent
4) CAM (Mumbai and Bangalore)
- Only does campus i.e. picks up toppers who are terrible with work/have no idea about ECM or picks up paralegals from GLC who are later given the offer
5) S&R (Mumbai and Delhi)
- Very very picky and top heavy; recruits the cream of the crop
6) Trilegal (Mumbai)
- Richa's team is on a freeze
- Bhakta's team has a very few mandates
7) JSA (Mumbai and Gurgaon)
- Sweatshop for law students tbh; will make you a "junior associate" which is a glorified paralegal job after 6 months of an assessment internship
- Prefers laterals over freshers
8) AZB (Mumbai and Noida)
- Mumbai has not lost talent
- Noida's dealmaking is non existent
8) Saraf (Mumbai), Luthra (Delhi), Bharucha (Mumbai)
- Very small team, very few mandates
9) SNG (Delhi), Rajani (Mumbai), CrawfordB (Mumbai)
- Lot of mid markets and small markets work; very very picky with PPOs
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I suggest we don't make Gods out of cricket team in India. Imagine NZ and Aus loosing and not being accountable to 1.5 billion? I don't think Australia Law website like LI would have discussed their loss had they lost lmao.
We try to hide our failures in other sports by our attempts at silverware from our cricket which is no doubt world-class. But the added pressure just suppresses then even more and it's a vicious cycle.
Still feel Aus as a nation is one of the strongest mental sides across sports, it's in their culture. Sadly the Gujju crowd and Gujju state was in attendance only for photos and insta snaps, pure show of no cricketing heritage.
Note- If 2011 and period thereon has been a sign of rise of India as a cricketing superpower and yet it's Aus who has the WC twice, in such case we can assume India might still go on to dominate cricket for the next 100 years but what Aus has done for the last 100 till date is nothing short of legendary.
BCCI is a shambly run org and with the funds we have india should maybe have become undefeatable or v close to that, the funds distribution even in top 3 nations is vv vastly in our favour.
For me Rohit Sharma deserved the man of the tournament given his change in approach and he was the captain as well. Kohli again legendary but a tad selfish in several phases (didn't hurt the team thankfully).
Proud of Indian team and not the board, but the years of RCB fandom will surely help me cope this better.
No shame in accepting Aus > India in cricketing heritage and clutch performances from players who aren't treated as God but are nothing short of being one. We lose due to players worshipped as God but can't show up on festival due to everyone praying for their visits. :)
https://www.livemint.com/news/business-of-life/loneliness-in-the-city-1541394566948.html
You are mentally sprinting and probably dealing with 100 issues at your law firm job, so when you come back home, you need immediate respite, which is why several people often turn to drinking or other harmful activities. This gets worse when you see your peers/ friends having fun on Instagram while you are miserable at home.
Actionable advice: Join a yoga session, dance class or some cycling group. You can also try going for the weekend excursions organised by local groups (Several groups on Instagram - just search them)
The idea here is to join some group where:
1. You have a guide/ mentor actively teaching you and tracking your progress and checking up on you (unlike most seniors at law firms)
2. You have a peer group of your age with whom you can bond in a social casual setting, and talk about something apart from work (as corporate settings does not always allow us to let our guard down)
Keep these two things in mind, and I'm sure you will notice a mood shift.
All the best!
Hope this helps
1. Recruiters cannot help as they mostly post for vacancies from PQE 1,
2. Tap alumni network: Try reaching out to your college seniors and ask if there is vacancy for you in their team
3. Tap friend network: If you have friends from other colleges, ask them about vacancies in their team
4. Partner specific: If you have any particular partner in mind, try reaching out to the SA/ PA in the team. You may even try to directly email the partner (Not the best way, but I know people who have got in through this approach. If they reject you/ dont respond, you have nothing to lose)
5. In house: Lot of companies hire A0s for Inhouse, so you can try connecting with the legal counsels in In House positions to get a sense if they are hiring
All the best!
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/164466-book-recommendations-for-lawyers (personal suggestion, go to comments posted by 'teen baar' and 'wut')
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/233228-reading-list-for-fy-law-students (++ for the comments regarding reading material on logic)
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/185058-recommended-books-for-disputes
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/246895-reading-list-for-freshers-to-law-school
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/165851-do-corporate-lawyers-get-time-to-read-non-law-books-if-so-please-recommend-some-good-ones
https://www.livelaw.in/columns/the-reading-list-project-must-read-books-for-law-students-lawyers-159777
Shekhar Bobby Saraf (Calcutta HC)
Suraj Govindraj, MI Arun and Sunil Dutt Yadav (Karnataka HC)
Aditya Sondhi was also recommended but name was blocked by current Govt.
So it is an organic process which is bound to continue as more graduates establish themselves in the profession.
Ayan Gupta has won from NLU Delhi
Check it out here: - https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/303000-Rhodes-India-2024-Results
Tier 2 : SAM, Indus, Spice Route, BTG Legal
Tier 3: CAM, Khaitan, AZB, Kocchar, Obhan
Tier 4: Anand & Anand, TMT Law
Ayan Gupta (NLU Delhi)
Mohammad Zayaan (GNLU)
Third Rhodes Scholarship for both NLU Delhi and GNLU. Previous Rhodes scholars from NLU Delhi and GNLU:
NLU Delhi
— Rishika Sahgal (2016)
— Anupriya Dhonchak (2021)
GNLU
— Sameer Rashid Bhat (2018)
— Hatim Hussain (2020)
I really need to get a life
Stop trolling with the coding bit.
No you don’t need any typing lessons. You will be at the desk for so long you everyday will end up typing fast. Rather invest in a good chair with lumbar support when working from home.
Okay, here’s what you need to know:
MS Excel
For law firms, if you’re in capital markets, you need to know MS Excel - just get familiar with adding text, numbers, tables. Excel has lot of automatic copy function where if you drag and drop, it can generate automatic serial numbering, can copy formulas across cells etc. (not advanced formulas) Having some practice of data entry in Excel is important as this can otherwise slow you down while working (it’s slightly different than typing in MS Word)
MS Word
Otherwise, lawyers mostly use MS Word.
Know how to change font size, para spacing, create tables, create numbered lists, alignment with the ruler etc.
You can Google the shortcuts used to copy paste, select entire para/ page etc, page up/ down
Law firm Task specific - for redlines - check Word Compare on MS Word/
Review docs - Split screen
Foreign firms - often use linked cross references for clause references in documents, so you can check Google that
MS PowerPoint
For client/ internal presentations - working knowledge- how to write text, create tables, shapes, add pictures etc.
All the best!
Surprisingly I was asked about clat rank and I mentioned somewhere around 150ish. So do remember it anyway.
Now that I read this in the morning, I see that my rant here appears to be quite childish and kinda misogynistic. You may mark this trollish, or do whatever action it is you do, because I don't want to start some gender war here or discount the struggles girls go through. Maybe it's me :)
For OP, I suggest you apply for assessment internships at T1 and T2 firms and of course law firms and chambers will definitely grab you (NLU Tag). All the best :)
For basic ideas: - https://www.hotcoursesabroad.com/india/find-your-course/how-to-choose-the-right-course/6-vital-facts-for-international-students-eyeing-american-law-courses/
There is another course in Northwestern University which provides accelerated JD. Again you need to have an amazing Lsat score to even knock the doors for this programme. This has been substantially discussed in LI as well but ofc the mediocrity showcased here won’t let you know that.
Some threads that can help you:-
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/261752-jd-vs-llm-vs-mba-a-mega-thread-is-demanded
https://www.law.northwestern.edu/academics/degree-programs/jds/jd2/#:~:text=Northwestern%20Law%20is%20one%20of,for%20their%20foreign%20law%20degree.
One problem that you may face is the visa issue. So tailor your interview accordingly. Indian students apart from not being to crack lsat, faced another issue and that’s VISA.
Also LSAT as an exam is said to be (in American standards) more competitive/rigorous than GMAT. I hope this helped.
1) DCM and Structured Finance
- Manisha Shroff (KCO)
- Sonali Mahapatra (TT&A)
- Gopal Bankar, Nihas Basheer (Wadia Ghandy)
- Shubhangi Garg (SAM)
- Amit Aggarwal (SNG)
2) Project Finance
- Jatin Aneja, Deepto Roy (SAM)
- Hemant Sahai (HSA)
- Santosh Janakiram (CAM)
- Abhir Lal Dey (Saraf)
- Pallavi Bedi (Phoenix Legal)
3) General Banking/Consortium Work
- Kumar Singh Saurabh (KCO)
- Anand Shah, Gautam Ganjawala (AZB)
- Aashit Shah (JSA)
- Kannan Rahul (Trilegal)
- Karan Mitroo & Girish Rawat (L&L)
4) Derivatives
- Smrithi Nair (Juris Corp)
- Rahul Gulati (TT&A)
- Veena Sivaramkrishnan (SAM)
5) Insolvency & Restructuring
- Ashwin Bishnoi (KCO)
- Bikash Jhawar (Saraf)
- Nilang Desai, Suharsh Sinha (AZB)
- Siddharth Srivastava (KCO)
- Divyanshu Pandey (S&R)
6) Fintech
- Gowree Gokhale (NDA)
- Namita Vishwanath (IndusLaw)
- Probir Chowdhury (JSA)
- Rahul Matthan (Trilegal)
- Anu Tiwari (CAM)
Hope this helps!
PPO: They prefer lateral hiring. Interns are taken on a monthly basis and based on feedback/presentation or something may be called back as a paralegal and then a trainee associate. The chances of PPOs are less but not impossible.
Pay: Interns 10-12.5k not aware otherwise.
Indian Society of International Law
Centre for Policy Research
Carnegie India
Centre for Internet and Society
Asian African Legal Consultative Organisation
PRS Legislative Research
Migration and Asylum Project
Centre for Communications Governance
Human Rights Law Network
Naz Foundation
And many more which I can't recall at this moment
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/300654-topics-to-write-articles-about
1. SAM Mumbai is known to offer callbacks over callbacks and making offers at the end of 5th year/ mid 5th year, which again may or may not happen.
2. CAM Noida is very stringent with PPOs and doesnt usually hire (in this season, dont see them offering at all)
3. KCo Kolkata does NOT hire, shift to Mumbai ASAP
4. Online internships at a tier 3/4 is equal to none, they aint giving you work at all, assessing you tu dur ki baat hai
5. ICUL Funds- very stingy in PPO department
6. Singhania- pay too low, too many interns
One thing I can guarantee about Jindal is that the opportunities are endless but it's all about what you seek to achieve at law school. Jindal offers electives that are far better than any other law school in the country. Our faculty is known to be the best. Our placements are of course not great when you consider the entire batch strength but its necessary to note that not everyone joins Jindal to secure a job in law, a lot of students just need degrees to carry on their family businesses. While a lot has been said about distractions and ROI, I truly believe that you can do well at Jindal but that would probably be true about any law school. All of it boils down to your efforts.
All-in-all, if you need to take out a 30L loan, then avoid enrolment, you can succeed at other colleges like Symbi & Christ. All the best!
Maybe you can and should change.
In regards to your second question, I guess the following threads can be of immense help: -
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/160181-is-it-worth-taking-a-loan-to-study-at-jgls-or-save-for-an-llm
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/265788-lsat-results-announced-still-wise-to-join-jindal
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/234788-worth-taking-risk-of-10-15-lakh-9-education-loan-to-continue-at-sls-pune
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/175083-scholarships-at-jindal
Salaried/Junior Partner - Strategizing the execution of the mandate and attending client calls.
PA/Counsel - Answerable to the salaried/senior partners and handle the entire deal execution.
SA - Answerable/give the 80% finished deliverables to the PA/Counsel who handle the rest after back and forth with the salaried partners.
Associate - Due diligence, research, filing and execution.
Intern (Merit) - Assist the associates with the research/due diligence. Not given filing and execution work unless they are on assessment basis due to confidentiality of the deal.
Intern (Contacts) - Mostly their parents are the clients so they go for multiple rounds of coffee, 100 smoke breaks and are later given the PPO.
Then, under All India Rank 70 you can expect GLC/ILS.
Cutoff drastically changes in MHCET, and as OMS carries only 24-24 seats in GLC and ILS, so work hard and ace it.
Cut off marks trend past years:
2019: 110-112
2020- 112
2021- 127 ( As exam was very easy, they asked questions like, "Taj mahel is situated on which river")
2022- 110
Above cut off marks are for OMS, MHCET is a game of luck for OMS. No matter how much you are prepared, but this is what it is.
(I've prepared for various Law entrance, and got a rank of Under 50 in MHCET 2022, however, I gave this exam in 2021 as well, and even was more serious back then, but didn't got GLC bcz of 127 marks cutoff for OMS)
2. Never join any other college, except GLC/ILS. Even think twice before these two too.
Have a nice day.
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Etc etc
Same thing for writing. I found writing case commentaries to be useful practice. Even if you don't publish them your writing will improve and you will learn some more law in the process.
Anirudh S Krishnan
Nitin Kishore
Suhana
https://www.adityabirlascholars.net/shortlisted-aditya-birla-scholars-2024/
This is the first time they are participating. And they did participate and knocked out NLIU and Nujs and right ahead.
NLSIU as usual bagged the highest number of ABS scholarships (5 out of 7- not bad)
NALSAR and NLUJ remained pretty consistent. So as GNLU
Congrats NLU Delhi for making it into the first time in ABS.
What’s shocking is that around 6 people applied for the NUJS ABS scholarship and none of them got one! What went wrong? Maybe someone can explain.
All in all meritorious students getting selected day by day. Good job!
Aadhya Rajesh
Aparna Vats
Apurva Thakur
2:30 Manshoor Nazki, Cap marks partner at Indus.
2:30 and 18:00 Sandhya Surendran, Partner at BTG.
3:08 Sowmya Kumar, Partner at Indus
3:52 Brajendu Bhaskar, Cap marks Partner at Trilegal
3:58 Nikhil Chary, Corp Partner at Addleshaw
5:10 Manish Agarwal, Partner at Three Crowns
8:10 Neha Mahyavanshi - GC, Syngene
10:14 Shehryar Khanum, Ex-CAM, Entrepreneur.
10:25 Abhinav Shankar, GC, Dvara Holdings
11:00 Sneha Jha, Counsel, Golub Capital
11:18 Aditi Singh, Associate Partner, Dalberg
20:08 Vidhu Gupta, Linklaters
I will suggest OP to consider NUS after Oxbridge/UCL. The application link is provided above. Prepare all and all the best for Clat!
Rajshekhar Rao
Dayan Krishnan
Jayant Mehta
Tanmaya Mehta or his younger brother
Satyajit Sarna
Diya Kapur
Shyel Trehan
Balaji Subramanian
Samar Bansal
Aman Ahluwalia
Karan Lahiri
Aditya Vijaykumar and his wife
Anand Varma
Tuition per annum is £25,750 (https://www.durham.ac.uk/study/courses/law-m101/#fees-and-funding) and cost of living would be £9000, so cost per year should be budgeted at £35000, so the total cost in 3 years would be 1.05 crore INR, there will be some India specific scholarships but nothing will bring it down to half of the cost
the problem with pursuing UG in the UK is low availability of scholarships, they are few and far between for international students. There are some unis which have UG scholarships for international student where they reduce it to the UK level of £9250 pa, but there is no consolidated list and these are dependent on individual schools so you should look at each school and have a chat with the admissions tutor at all LNAT schools and ask them if they would have a scholarship or partial fee waivers.
https://www.nus.edu.sg/oam/apply-to-nus/application
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/264496-guidance-uk-law-schools-lnat
In the US, law is a PG subject, so only possible after 4 years of UG
Your goals matter a lot in choosing the place where you want to study UG law, do you want to settle there? do you want to come back to India? do you want to be a solicitor or a barrister? how much can you spend? etc.
Also what about Germany?
You are doing this to gain some short-term trade-off, but your core is revolting
I will advise you that you take some time to introspect and find what you really want to do instead of blaming an entire industry as toxic etc
There are people who will thrive in the same environment, let them
Don't put the responsibility on outside factors, it is your responsbility to discover what suits your own constitution
You look at yourself and introspect about what is the environment where you will thrive and find that
Then act with conviction
I wish you all the best :)
Take a bow Shishir. The trolls will find something to snipe at you with, but I hope you write on. So proud that a practicing lawyer wrote it.
Then there is Somesh taori who cracked Oxford the same year he cracked clat (AIR 83)
At 2.29 and 5.08, that's Alok Prasanna, Co-Founder, Vidhi Centre for Legal Policy
At 2.55, that's Divya Mundra, M&A Partner at AZB.
At 7.47, that's Priyanka Dahiya, public policy with the World Health Organization in Geneva
At 8.18 to 8.40, that's Suhasini Sen, very successful supreme court advocate.
At 8.45, that's Shivaji Bhattacharya - Counsel, IFC (previously Partner at S&R)
At 9.45, that's Sayantan Datta - Partner at SAM, At 9.46, Shreya Rao, Partner at AZB,
At 9.47 Pathik Gandhi - Partner at Linklaters, London
At 11.04, Yasha Kumar - GC of Innoterra
At 12.45, the moot court team:
Mihira Sood, Prof of Law at NLU Delhi; Executive Director, Centre for Child Rights, NLU Delhi
Anuradha Agnihotri, Herbert Smith, London (previously Partner at Trilegal in Bangalore)
Rohan Kaul, Asia-Pacific GC of Restaurant Brands International (previously at Freshfields and Simpson Thacher in New York/ London)
At 13.30, Mahfooz Nazki (very successful Supreme Court Advocate). Still a heartthrob!
At 16.50, that's Nandini Ravichandran, Pro-bono work in New York
2. International Organisations?
3. Full-time (not part time lol) research assistants at IVY?
4. Under honourable judges and eminent senior advocates?
Each story pivots around Edamarra Edwin and his detective-style approach to solving problems; but while each story is a separate episode, with its own thrills, together they all cumulatively reveal a lot about its enigmatic protagonist and the world he inhabits.
As a corporate lawyer, I found the book quite enjoyable and thought that the solutions found in each story were quite brilliant. A partners job is to know the law but to also know the situation better so as to apply and bend it as required to meet the client's requirements. Overall a very good read I thought although one does need to keep a dictionary at hand!
NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUJ, GNLU
NLIU, RGNUL, HNLU, RMLNLU, NUALS, NLUO
TNNLU, CNLU, MNLU(mumbai),
DNLU, DSNLU, Nagpur and others - instead of joining those lower than MNLU mumbai, you can join any pvt unis like JGLS or Symbi or Christ.
Books
1. Securities Regulation: A Primary Market Offerings (1st Ed.) By Anil Chaudhary, Rajnesh Deka.
2. Fraud, Manipulation & Insider Trading in the Indian Securities Market By Sandeep Parekh.
3. Regulatory Mechanism for the Capital Market in India By Abhishek Mishra.
4. Agrawal & Baby on SEBI Act: A Legal Commentary on Securities Exchange Board of India Act, 1992 By Sumit Agrawal and Robin Joseph Baby.
5. Securities Laws & Capital Markets, ICSI Module, CS Executive Programme By Institute of Company Secretaries of India (ICSI).
6. Handbook on Securities Laws, By Gaurav N Pingle
Newspapers
1. Financial Express
2. Business Standard
3. Economic Times
4. Moneycontrol Pro
5. TheCapTable
Journals & Blogs
1. The Indian Review of Corporate & Commercial Laws
2. Centre for Business & Financial Laws, NLU-D.
3. Centre for Business & Commercial Laws, NLIU Bhopal
4. India Corp Law
5. Indian Journal of Research in Capital Markets
6. Journal on Corporate Law & Commercial Regulations
Magazines
1. SEBI & Corporate Laws: An Insolvency & Company Law Fortnightly: Taxmann
2. Corporate Professionals Today
Certifications
1. NISM Series I: Currency Derivatives Certification Examination
2. NISM Series II A: Registrars and Transfer Agents (Corporate) Certification Examination
3. NISM Series II B: Registrars and Transfer Agents (Mutual Fund) Certification Examination
4. NISM Series-III-A: Securities Intermediaries Compliance (Non-Fund) Certification Examination
5. NISM Series IV: Interest Rates Derivatives Certification Examination
6. NISM Series V A: Mutual Fund Distributors Certification Examination
7. NISM-Series V-B: Mutual Fund Foundation Certification Examination
8. NISM Series VI: Depository Operations Certification Examination
9. NISM Series VII: Securities Operations and Risk Management Certification Examination
10. NISM-Series-VIII: Equity Derivatives Certification Examination
11. NISM Series-IX: Merchant Banking Certification Examination
12. NISM-Series-X-A: Investment Adviser (Level 1) Certification Examination
13. NISM-Series-X-B: Investment Adviser (Level 2) Certification Examination
14. NISM Series-XII: Securities Markets Foundation Certification Examination
15. NISM Series-XIII: Common Derivatives Certification Examination
16. NISM Series-XV: Research Analyst Certification Examination
17. NISM-Series-XVI: Commodity Derivatives Certification Examination
18. NISM-Series-XVII: Retirement Adviser Certification Examination
19. NISM-Series-XVIII: Financial Education Certification Examination
20. NISM Series XIX-A: Alternative Investment Funds (Category I and II) Distributors
21. NISM-Series-XIX-B: Alternative Investment Funds (Category III) Distributors
22. NISM-Series-XX-Taxation in Securities Markets
23. NISM Series XXI-A: Portfolio Management Services (PMS) Distributors
24. NISM Series XXI-B: Portfolio Managers
25. NISM Series XXII: Fixed Income Securities
26. NISM-Series-XXIII: Social Auditors
Law Firm Publications
1. Amit Desai & Co.: Knowledge -> Newsletter
2. Cyril Amarchand Mangaldas: India Corporate Law
3. Vinod Kothari Consultants
a. Resources- Financial Services
b. Resources- Capital Markets
c. Resources- Corporate Laws
4. Trilegal: Knowledge Repository -> Advanced Search: Capital Markets, Financial Regulatory
5. NDA Hotline
a. Capital Markets Hotline
b. Regulatory Hotline
c. Regulatory Digest
d. Companies Act Series
e. Corpsec Hotline
Shubham Thakare
Navya Nair
Arpanjot Kaur
Ayesha Khan
Piyush Gupta
The people who got in were all rounders who usually had good positions of leadership.
People who got in usually planned in advance to make it work.
You need to calm down and listen to some Arctic Monkeys: -
https://open.spotify.com/track/0DKvcH4SCRdhVYTxStKx9h?si=jNLnHfheSTKYyQDY__mVHA
Here you go 🤌
1. NLS
2. NALSAR
3. NUJS
4. NLU-D
5. NLU-J
6. GNLU
7. NLIU
8. HNLU
--- Don't join an NLU below this ---
3-NALSAR
3-GNLU
3-NLUJ
1-NLUD
a) Step up hiring of good-quality alumni as faculty
b) Encourage students to pursue meaningful, non-corporate careers.
https://www.latestly.com/agency-news/india-news-centre-nominates-justice-s-muralidhar-8-others-as-members-to-nalsa-5537767.html
Shouldn't the international relations of a democratic country be influenced and take into consideration the will and the wishes of the people? Isn't that the whole point of a protest? To make one's voice heard?
You may disagree with the actual political stance here but you can't possible in good faith argue that no one should be allowed to voice dissenting opinions.
Our textual dalliance of wit and words culminated in a rendezvous amidst the colonial charm of Colaba. Yet, alas, it was not the face but the intent that was the grand illusion. My enchantress, it turned out, had a very real-world script in mind, with a twist that would have made Mr M. Night Shyamalan blush. I was quoted a clear-cut tariff of Rs. 8000/-, a friend’s price (it seems), for the desired company in the locale of my choosing.
The chivalrous (and almost broke) budding lawyer that I was, I found myself quickly mulling over the fiscal dynamics of this amorous enterprise. With masterful sleight of hand, I furtively inspected the meager contents of my wallet, followed by a fleeting glance at my banking app beneath the table's shroud. But the coffers of a budding legal eagle aren't exactly the stuff of fortunes. As the negotiation unfolded, I found myself in the throes of an absurdist play, where the cost of courtship had been unveiled devoid of any sentimental baggage.
So there I was, retreating to my grand 1 RK, poorer by Rs. 5000/- and my dreams of love punched in the gut. I couldn't help but snicker at the joke life had just played on me. In this bizarre bazaar of ‘lou’, buyers are to beware.
We have started out in 2019 just as an unregistered partnership firm to provide M&A consultancy only (Copy has been provided to cyber police). We got some clients & decide to start LLP business in 2022 only. In 2022 our website was very organic & simple looking created using google sites (Our hosting server & Godaddy domain details provided to Cyber police already) but we have decided to start full-fledged Law firm only this year in october (Our client details & services we have provided to our geniune clients already submitted to police). In last week of october 2023 we have hired a coder or IT expert to create a proper website for our firm with name barutha&barutha.com but he advised us that he can convert our old www.BaruthaLLP.com website into good looking portal in 1 day, with small fee charge. On 28th october, we have asked him to create a career section for some hiring of 10 employees only but he superficialy created large opportunities for which we have emailed him to delete it (We have supplied this email copy to cyber police also) but he replied, do not worry i will delete it & i am just checking the portal efficiency. You guys can also check our Managing partner linkedin page he had also posted about job opening but didn't mention any superficial number. After 10-20 minutes, he then uploaded some fake pictures & profiling of team members and this is the moment we came to know that he has misused us. Even he got the linkedin access of our partners because he wanted to do some social media integration with website and changed some of the Linkedin's profile pictures of our partners without seeking consent (Abuse report from linkedin is submitted to cyber police). We have emailed hi again & he again replied that some fake pictures will be better for attraction (Copy of email has been supplied to cyber police). We have asked him to delete it immediately and handover the email id & password to us but he never replied (Copy of email supplied to cyber police). He even managed to changed the linkedin password of one of our partner. Moreover Mobile number he has provided to us went unreachable. He started threating us that if we don't pay him 10 Bitcoin as ransom he will ruin our career completely. And he did it successful. On legallyIndia platorm everyone is showing hatred to us & even we have received so many hatred emails. we initially ignored this and started taking actions to strike down the site. We now came to know that he is from sri lanka. We have been honestly doing our work from last 4 years and have some GST, M&A and taxation clients. Why we will do this to damage ourselves. What can we achieve by creating a fake superficial website. It all happened so quickly that we were in chaos. We have now decided to file Criminal FIR and Court Case to proceed further. Even that hacker is constantly updating our page and seeking ransom. Our 4 years of silent hardwork completely ruined now. We are afraid that none of our partners might take a wrong step on his/her life. We want all the members please do not spread hatred. please listen our side too. Thank you !!
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Further, this pseudonymous IP encryption key gets reset and thrown away every 24-48 hours, so even if we were really clever and really wanted to we couldn't deduce your actual IP from this after a day or two.
Of course, end of the day, you kind of have to trust us on this and despite our measures to safeguard your anonymity and using an encrypted https connection, it's theoretically probably possible for tracking at your ISP, law school, firm or Pegasus-spying or NSA level to deduce posts that you make.
In short, if you're really really really worried about this or you're leaking state secrets, probably don't use the internet, or if you are, use a VPN and/or Tor and other measures to protect your anonymity...
To youngsters reading this: 70 hours is a joke. Do your 40, go live your life. Your parents are the youngest now they will ever be, your relationships still stand a chance and your back pains haven't set in yet. Hustle and grind but never at a personal cost. Cheers to your generation and thanks from mine.
There is already an ongoing discussion regarding this very issue.
Here’s an article: - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/jobs/cos-make-a-beeline-for-national-law-school-graduates/articleshow/5574180.cms
NALSAR/Nujs also did well later on.
My point is that if you are decided about law, make sure you crack the top 5 and then get your degree. There will be no remedy if you join other nlus. Maybe HNLu will also work. So prep well
Since clat is unpredictable, buck up your attitude for MBa as well (CAT is tougher but there are better MBA colleges in totality than law) for a backup. You need to smoothly transition into law. And if that means law firm, then you are on a right path. Your degree is your strength not weakness. There are a lot of people out there who did the same thing. Some other person suggested to take the CUET five year llb as well. Not bad! Keep your options open. Maybe give ailet so that you don’t miss the Delhi culture.
I am personally a political conservative and BJP supporter, but I want to intern with a left-liberal INDIA alliance opposition MP as that gives more credibility when applying abroad. I also want to intern with an English-speaking MP, as English is the only language I am comfortable working in. I made the shortlist below. I had Mahua Moitra and Praful Patel as well, but I have removed Mahua as she is likely to be expelled and Patel because he is about to join the BJP.
Any suggestions on who I can add to the shortlist? Also, more importantly, how do I apply? Do I just call/email their office? Is an NLU tag enough? Do I need to go through a contact?
- Shashi Tharoor
- AM Singhvi
- KTS Tulsi
- Raghav Chaddha
- Gaurav Gogoi
- Derek O'Brien
- Priyanka Chaturvedi
- Manish Tewari
- Karti Chidambaram
Imagine this- NLS+NUS….Employers and Rhodes will have an org**m to say the least.
Also the accelerated JD programme at Northwestern is pretty good (although good GPA and excellent lsat scores).
Check this one: - https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/261752-jd-vs-llm-vs-mba-a-mega-thread-is-demanded
1. Read your memorials well. Some if not most judges have looked at them beforehand so you need to be on top of your argument.
2. Make eye contact with the judges - if there is more than one, keep switching. Observe our reactions closely - most of us are not pokerfaces and you will be able to tell if we're bored or find your argument interesting.
3. Elocute, don't read. If you merely read out your memorial it reflects rather poorly - why have an oral round then? You should have the outline of your argument in your head and only refer to the memorial or notes for support (say, a citation). It helps if you draw judges' attention to specific paragraphs or parts of the memorial - it shows us that you know your submissions.
4. Don't get flustered when you're asked questions. Practice with a friend beforehand on this. If you need a moment, ask for permission and take one - we won't pounce.
5. If you're doing a rebuttal or sur-rebuttal you need to engage with the opposite side's argument and provide a convincing response. Focus on the parts of the memorial they bring up during their oral arguments.
2) Although T1 law firms are lala setups where your attire/smell/bags/watches will be things which your peers, partners and clients will judge you for; be modest with your expenditure in your first 3 years but remember to look sharp and not shabby or loud.
3) Function like a team, help your peers out with bulky assignments, seek feedbacks and most importantly make sure the client and reporting partners notice your contribution during meetings - all of this will be factored during promotions.
4) Remember that not all your team members can be trusted as colleagues, simply stay away from office politics, bitching about people and opening up about personal details since you never know what goes against you in any given moment. In this regard, avoid too many smoke breaks and don't find an excuse to abuse alocohol in your system during team/deal closing dinners.
5) Lastly, do not ever get too close to an intern; if you know what I mean.
https://www.nus.edu.sg/oam/apply-to-nus/transfer-applicants
Here you go :)
For instance my parents kicked me out on my birthday. I have no incentive to lie here. It was a rough time and I was barely 19 at that time. I did odd jobs (like waiting tables, helping in plantation drives, sweeping sometimes and funded my law school like that). I won’t mention the batch and which nlu to keep my anonymity intact. I did academically well and till only two frnds know about this. I also got decent scholarships from college to flourish. Currently working at a tier-1 in Mumbai. I still did bartending as I didn’t want to forget my roots of struggle and tbh I will restart it again.
What I am saying is that no one will give a damn. So instead of coming on legally india and asking about a recourse- find out where you are good at (assuming you are a law student, pardon for undermining the sample viewership of LI), do odd jobs(trust me it helps the economy and respects those who are in the profession), and maybe for your own mental health- don’t contact your parents. But if you have already reconciled (which should be the primary step anyway) then it’s good.
All the best brother! Any help you need, you can text here.
One of frnds had to undergo a 2.5 year drop (clat happened 6 months early last year and this year as well for 2024) due to his silly OMR mistakes. He was a tad bit concerned about him being around 19-20. But some students informed him that it was very common and in fact entering law school around 19.5-20 has become streamlined to a substantial extent now. He cracked clat with a flying score, bagged tier-1 and no one even questioned about his age. But he did get a lot of hype (more than me) because of his result. He even cracked lnat and bagged a decent scholarship to go to a decent UK Uni. He became more famous. Use this situation to your advantage not as an unnecessary burden.
Thanks everyone who responded. I have read the threads that people have referenced here. You all have helped me gain a little perspective and have eased my worries to an extent. While I still have a few things to be concerned about, I will no longer dwell on my age (as a commenter said I'm not "prehistoric" afterall haha).
I also feel well enough to fill the registration form.
And if I clear clat, just know that your encouraging words helped me gather enough strength to do it.
Thankyou folks.
In fact one of the graduates whose age range was 24-25 got a good LLM scholarship plus now working at a magic circle.
Plus you can offset some credits after an exchange, get extra credit to reduce a semester (you may participate in an international moot and can have it evaluated - it happened with one of our junior batches) and even perform brilliantly well to spend the final year at a foreign Uni to negate the factor of ‘being old’. This can be a good ripple effect. But honestly you are relatively young. My advice would have worked for a 23-24 old incoming student (although I will never judge them) but you still have time. I don’t know why y’all are getting worked up for this.
Here you go 👍
There is a very beautiful response (and ofc others as well) by a graduate (current student my bad) from NALSAR. As you already know that till 20/20+ the first year is pretty much secure and normal as well. But don’t worry. There will be a couple of people who will be/who already were 21 when they entered law school. I can understand the anxiety. When I joined law school around a year back, I was 20. I had a ‘phew’ reaction because I wasn’t 21 yet- so I wouldn’t feel old. But honestly that’s quite immature. I saw a bunch of 21 year olds doing well in law school from the first year. In fact one of them is a topper already. And it won’t matter because anyway 50% of the graduates will be around the age limit of 23-25. You will be just a year older.
If you are doing well on your mocks - just focus on that and secure your career. No one will remember. Rather what will be remembered is if you get a single digit rank in clat. Right? Think like that. There are a lot of options (some uncertainties as well) in a tier-1 nlu. Don’t worry. And don’t feel old. You will be a year or a two older than the bunch. It’s not like you are pre-historic or something!
2) Creating dockets and backup security options for the BRLMs to the issue; it involves bearing the grunt of understanding the issue process and underlying risks which may arise accring to default; owing to which you create security and backup options - involves a lot of back and forth (on calls) with IBs, most of which is too gibberish to understand as an AO. Thus, reading intricacies of ECM is very very very important.
3) Understanding CIBIL searches, Watchout Investor Searches and Requistion CList Formulations since the due diligence report will have an aspect of the same (discretionary as per the firm's call).
4) Creating key difference tables when master circulars pop in: this shall include the "old circular number, new circular number, previous position of precedent and new material changes, if any" in that order - this is kind of tricky since you have to know how to read one circular as against the other and figure out what has been changed in a MC which has a lotttt of circulars mentioned. You get one thing wrong and you fuck up the transaction and the nature of disclosures involved.
5) Comprehensive PPTs on investor decks, KPIs, risk analysis and business overview - mostly done by foreign counsels but being well versed with the same helps a lot during negotiations.
6) Understanding the nuances of each chapter on the ECM offer document; therefore, a firm grasp of the latest amendments to the ICDR and LODR will be your bread and butter.
7) Knowing shortcuts on Word and Excel is a must because you will be working with IBs and allied finance tycoons which operate solely on Excel and not knowing anything here or there will leave a bad impression on behalf of you & the firm. Do not act as if you know it all or else you'll get fucked.
8) Lastly, please let it sink that after choosing this menace of practice - long hours are common, bonuses are slightly stagnated as against your M&A/B&F peers & chances of switching to GC/M&A is very sleek. Best part is that the work is cyclical and you will have days when you can go and tailor your suit, get that bag/watch for your next listing ceremony that will make headlines.
9) Word of caution - know what you are getting into since that life is not easy. You might glorify folks like Manan Lahoty, Yash Ashar, Sandip Bhagat etc; but trust me it will take years to reach that kind of level. So take one step at a time, seek redress if needed and learn to find joy in discomfort.
10) Breakup of Indian ECM firms in my honest opinion:
T1 Firms - CAM, IndusLaw, S&R, SAM, KCO
T2 Firms - JSA, AZB, Trilegal, Saraf, L&L
T3 Firms - CrawfordB, Bharucha, Rajani, SNG, Juris Corp
My sincere apologies for this long message but I hope this helps.
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/288175-nalsar-grad-kirkland-partner
its the LI of the UK
Are there any vacation schemes I can apply after my 7/8th semester?
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/183992-suggestions-for-good-tmt-teams-to-work-with
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/274628-what-are-some-actual-technology-law-firms-with-good-client-work-and-how-much-do-they-pay
Threads that can help you frame a decision! All the best :)
My dear friend, your concern for others is appreciated, but it doesn't identify the entirety of problems.
The fight is for changing the system. Problems with Tiers are just one of the results of the flawed system. What Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3. NLUs are failing. And not just Tier 2, Tier 3. But ALL OF THEM including Tier 1. People from Tier 1 come and bicker here to prove why one University is above the other. All NLUs and not just Tier 2 & 3 promote exclusionary education system. You would rarely see people from humble background taking admissions in these universities. If 5 people out of 120 belong to such background, then it's an exception not a norm.
Fees: Every NLU and not just Tier 2 & 3 charge exorbitant fees. Rs. 2.5 lacs per year could be now easily called as average fees for NLUs. Majority of people in this country don't have an annual income to that amount. And one wonders why does a degree in law require such heavy fee burden.
Every NLU and not just Tier 2 & 3 have admin issues. While I may agree that the authorities at 2 & 3 (generally) are more tyrannical (due to lack of proper representative authority of students, no pushback from Alumni base), Tier 1s have not completely shrug of such issues.
All NLUs promote corporatisation of legal system. While money remains one of the foundational ideal goals of an individual, NLU system has struck a deep blow to the traditional practice of law.
Not to mention, how NLUs have converted themselves into a place where students with deep pockets, who are brats of wealthy advocates and judges, take over the system and virtually diminish the balance which might be caused by an organised system.
And there are concerns. You yourself can better recall and summarise them.
IF you feel nervous to retake clat, actively work hard here. Reach out to professors and practitioners on LinkedIn, most importantly your alumni who made it into tier-1/2 law firms (I am sure there must be some) on how to improve your CV and portfolio.
Reach out to folks pursuing LLM at a decent foreign university. Make new connections with T-1 NLU ppl.
Improve your writing skills and article constructing style. Work really hard. Maybe you start your journey at a boutique firm but from there you can even go toe in toe with other law schools’s alumni if you are really that good.
Best of luck bro/sis.
2) KCO CM Mumbai - mass recruiter, always hires freshers due to heavy attrition
3) KCO CM Bangalore - very small team, not hiring
4) KCO CM Noida - very small team, not hiring
5) SAM CM Delhi - despite the attrition they are not hiring
6) SAM CM Mumbai/Delhi NCR - offered a lot of callbacks, might be looking to hire
7) JSA CM Mumbai - laterals preferred, freshers not entertained, not hiring
8) JSA CM Delhi NCR - very small team, not hiring
9) Bharucha CM Mumbai - very small team, not hiring
10) S&R CM Mumbai - very selective for internships, no clue
11) CAM CM Mumbai - very selective for internships, no clue
12) TT&A CM Mumbai - very selective for internships, no clue
13) L&L CM Delhi - not hiring because of huge intake last year
14) Trilegal CM Mumbai - simply avoid, too many people, very little work, no clue about hiring
15) Saraf CM Mumbai - not hiring
I still remember the hate these women got for some prizes they won, like why? They won legendary cases. Its the same hate i see with Greta Thunberg, Malala and all other such women that they didn't do much and use the women card. Its weird because women like mother Teresa and Aung Syu ki who took more traditional and "silent" roles were applauded more, while revolutionary women are seen as disrupting the world or talking nonsense. As for men, they can do anything and still take the whole credit.
Also they have definitely argued the best arguments, not just for today but previous judgments as well and have been more successful than the likes of male lawyers, who dont get this hate.
Can you look at the facts with more maturity and comment?
https://www.barandbench.com/news/breaking-supreme-court-to-pronounce-judgment-in-same-sex-marriage-case-tomorrow
https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/supreme-court-to-deliver-verdict-on-legality-of-same-sex-marriage-tomorrow-101697459951685.html
First of all, you're framing your question wrong. It's not just about what to order. The more important thing is what NOT to do. You need to just get the basics right, and not be laughed at.
Here's everything you need to know.
1. First, as someone said, only wine, whiskey and gin carry cachet.
2. Do not order beer. This is the easiest way to appear nouveau riche/ clueless. Only college kids order it. There are plausible exceptions for craft beer and other hipster things, but its easiest to just ignore beer.
3. Do not order rum. This is the second easiest way to appear clueless. Only college kids order it. Work meetings are the wrong time to revert to Old Monk Nostalgia from college. Again, there are exceptions like Kraken and some Spanish rum, but that is for advanced drinkers, so avoid for now.
3. Do not order vodka. This is the third easiest way to appear clueless. It is uncool and has no cachet.
4. Whiskey. First of all, do not order soda. See above comments about college kids.
5. Only have whiskey with ice ("on the rocks"). It's also OK to have whiskey with some water, but just a "splash". 1 parts whiskey to 3 parts water is generally a good ratio. Any more water and you'll open yourself up to ridicule.
6. DO NOT DRINK WHISKEY LIKE WATER. Sip it slowly. The snobbish whiskey journals advise you to take nothing more than a sip of around a few drops, and let it coat your tongue, before swallowing it. A 30 ml pour should last you around 15-20 sips.
7. It's OK not to know the intricacies of whiskey brands, but here's the basics. Whiskey is divided into "single malt" (it is only made from one distillery) and "blended whiskey" (whiskey from many distilleries is blended into a consistent taste). Single malt is way up there on snob value, because of the "purity" and "unique character".
8. If you're a beginner, it's OK to stick to blends, but order the right brands. Price is generally a good indicator. Just download a few bar menus from Zomato and learn about different brands, then order things that are close in price to the brands I've listed below. But that comes with caveats. Firstly, DO NOT go for Chivas Regal or Johnny Walker Red Label. These are for nouveau riche types who dont understand whiskey, and it is mostly uncles who drink these along with chicken tikka. Order Johnny Walker Double Black ("it is slightly smoky, but not too smoky") or Monkey Shoulder. DO NOT order Johnny Walker Blue Label, unless someone offers it to you first.
9. If you're a beginner, there are some good single malts that are not too intimidating. Avoid Glenfiddich (pronounced Glen-fiddick, DO NOT say "fiditch"), since too many people know it. Glenlivet, Jura or Talisker are all good brands. It is also OK to order Amrut Fusion (Indian brand, but well regarded) or anything Japanese.
10. If the above brands are not available and you're stuck, don't worry. Audibly ask for JW Double Black or Talisker, and if they say that's not available then just pick something at random that isn't Chivas Regal or Glenfiddich.
11. Openly say you've mostly only had (insert brand from above) because you love the taste, but have not had too many other whiskies. Don't try to fake it beyond that. If you've done everything above, you've done enough to blend in (sorry not sorry) and not become a laughing stock.
12. Gin. First of all, the most important thing with gin is not the gin . It's the tonic water. Start by asking what tonic water they have. Fevertree is the gold standard, but Franklin is also good. Otherwise get Sepoy or Jimmys. If you don't want it too sweet, get Svami. As a last resort, take Schweppes. DO NOT ORDER SPRITE OR 7 UP OR COKE WITH GIN.
13.You can drink whiskey without ice, but you need ice for gin. At least 3 cubes, though even 8-10 cubes is OK. Use that to decide when to order what (time of day, weather). Generally, cold weather= whiskey with single or no ice cube, warm weather = gin. Daytime= gin, night= whiskey, but gin is also OK at night.
14. With gin, there are lots of brands, but there are a few that are "safe". Bombay Sapphire, Tanqueray, Hendricks are all good in foreign gins. For Indian gins, Hapusa and Stranger and Sons are good. Avoid Beefeater, Gordons and Greater Than.
15. Most gins are citrusy, so you can have them with a slice of lemon. The exception is Hendricks. You need to have Hendricks with cucumber, and preferably with cucumber tonic water. DO NOT HAVE HENDRICKS WITH LEMON.
16. Avoid cocktails, unless the people you want to impress are also having them. DO NOT ever order Long Island Ice Tea. They use cheap alcohol and you will get a headache. Avoid Margaritas and Mojitos. Avoid anything with Blue Curacao. If you don't have an option with cocktails, just order a martini. Read the room and see if you can order a pinacolada. It's also very safe to ask the server if they can make a hot cocktail for you, and then go with whatever they recommend.
17. Slowly start reading about whiskies and gins, and trying them out with friends or even on your own. Use the above tips, until you get there.
Hope this helps. Will do a Part 2 on wine if I have time.
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I am assuming you are talking about financial aid which can be handed (although in few numbers) by the college itself. Yet the total fee after financial aid will somewhere halt around 70-75 lakhs. (https://www.lse.ac.uk/study-at-lse/Undergraduate/fees-and-funding/undergraduate-support-scheme)
LSE does not have a system of streamlined scholarship offers unlike some other uk unis (like University of Nottingham,UCL or KCL). You can strive to get into these unis and then apply for a moderate loan once you get in. All the best!
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Law School’s achievement of churning out 25 scholars has been sensational no doubt 🫶.
BUT
Speaking of world record - Harvard dominates every other university by a huge margin. So I really hope you are not trolling 🤌
https://www.rhodeshouse.ox.ac.uk/media/44935/2020-rs_number-of-winners-by-institution.pdf
Nope. He wasn’t the sole editor of that journal.
https://superlawyer.in/vikram-raghavan-lead-counsel-world-bank-work-experience-authoring-legal-books-articles/
This benevolent matriarch, let’s call her 'the Puppet Mistress,' was an expert at dangling dreams in front of these pros. She led this ragtag team of would-be partners in a dance of hope, always hinting at the tantalizing vision of the promised land: partnership at the firm they started their careers with. A designation to brag about and signal their arrival on the scene. These desperate dreamers were none other than the generously titled Associate Partners and Managing Associates of that hope-dystopia we loved coming to every day.
As the greenest sprout in this forest of disillusionment, I struck up unlikely friendships with a few of these wily old foxes. Our bi-weekly therapy sessions were held at the pride of Lower Parel, 'Ambiance Restaurant Ani Bar'. A place where Blender’s Pride with chakli (murukku) and schezwan chutney flowed freely, where frustrations were voiced loudly, and where promises of greener pastures seemed just a drink away. I sat there, nodding like a bobblehead, absorbing tales of woe and promises never kept.
Shortly after completing my two years at the firm, I started eyeing the exit. Then came the fateful Goa off-site. Between sips of heavily watered-down whiskey and the sound of crashing waves, the Puppet Mistress happily announced a merger with another firm. To say it was a bigger, badder shark in the legal ocean of mid-tier firms would be an understatement. Any illusion of our firm's autonomy was about to be swallowed whole. The only person who seemed to have secured a golden parachute out of this crash landing was our beloved Puppet Mistress.
Three months after this revelation, I had moved out of this firm, but not without pocketing a few friendships. Over time, these connections faded, with only a line on my CV reminiscent of that darkly comic chapter. Word on the street is that the Puppet Mistress took an extended sabbatical and handed her clients (and perhaps her puppet strings) to the new alpha shark. As for my old comrades, they drifted to other firms, which, for all I know, had their own puppet shows and pie-dangling matriarchs/patriarchs. The circle of life, I suppose.