This is for the 2023 batch. I doubt anyone from NLS will receive one this year. Possible doubts include that it’s really overrated at NLS now. As someone in a UK thread (in LI only) pointed out that college is lacking innovation anyway unlike LSE/Cambridge where everything is to the point.
I have some expectations from Nujs but not much. They had one Rhodes scholar in the last few years tho so they have improved.
Law School holds an unassailable lead as far as Rhodes goes. 🥇The record will remain unbroken. It’s like KL Rahul trying to break Kohli’s aggregate runs. Ain’t gonna happen. So we ain’t too bothered. Let the other NLUs get a few Rhodes scholarships as a consolation. 🥉We’ll be happy actually. Good luck 👍
The lead is not legacy lead only, before people start claiming that. Even in the last decade, NLSIU ranks second in terms of Rhodes scholars produced by Indian law universities. Only NUJS has produced one more than them (4 versus 3) during this period. So it is clear that NLS is maintaining the standard over the years till present. Glory, glory Law School.
Arey what is this comment ya? NLSIU Bengalore has 25 Rhodes scholars while Nujs has barely around 4. Stop using this decade logic. By that logic NLSIU’s academic reputation triumphs the entire Nujs with just a slight touch.
A decade is a universally accepted parameter while gauging any current or recent performance. If you can't digest that, then that's your problem. One can't understand why, since the commentator actually said good things about NLSIU's current performance, but that's probably way too subtle for your comprehension. Using your logic, DU has a better academic reputation than NLSIU.
What’s with the harsh words like ‘digesting’. If you have issues accepting that nlsiu is better than Nujs then don’t comment. And no by your logic even a 15 year period seems like a good way to gauge the institutional success of Rhodes considering how every year nlu doesn’t have law students achieving their Rhodes dream. Take 2022 for an example.
The kind of insecurity your comment projects only makes me lose faith on your basic logic sense.
This is what happens when NLSIU accepts so many students that the quality gets diluted. You can't even read and understand statements contextually. When you write, "Stop using this decade logic", or "arey what is this comment", it is clear that you're having problem accepting it. That's what digesting means. It's not my fault that you prefer to write like a school-going adolescent still. As for your clueless reading of that comment you referred to, it is obvious that you still couldn't comprehend its meaning. It was actually in favour of NLSIU and said that people shouldn't consider NLS' success only as old success, but the recent students have been doing equally well. However, you trolls saw the name NUJS and automatically got triggered and thereafter lost all sense. Talk about 15 years or 20, who is stopping you? It is a factual matter that in the last 10 years NUJS got 4 such scholars and NLSIU got 3. If your brain perceives it as a comparison between law schools and their academic quality, then you need professional help and are actually the victim of the insecurity complex that you flippantly accuse others of. Finally, if you are indeed from NLS, then you have made it clear to every reader through your comments that you are yet to be able to make use of the quality of its academic lessons. I am not from either place, but even had I been thus, I retain sufficient sense not to let every discussion descend to this juvenile game of law school faux-rivalry. Only losers who won't amount to anything indulge in such.
NLS is going down the drain thanks to Messiah's decisions, so this might be their last few shots to get another scholarship. But NUJS is also equally in trouble thanks to the higher intake for lower CLAT ranks in the BScLLB course+domicile quota. But the funny thing in all this is that all the CLAT NLUs (NLS, Nalsar and NUJS) are on the same sinking ship so there still won't be much of a change in hierarchies.
I always say this respectfully but Nujs first needs to counter the wave of nalsar and nlu Delhi and that applies in Rhodes as well. They should think before commenting anything against NLS like this.
“I retain sufficient sense not to let every discussion descend to this juvenile game of law school faux-rivalry.” - yet you still barge into the comments with your despicable logic and pretend to be a know-it-all toxic noojie when in reality you have no clue about smartness.
I am not denying that Nujs in the last ten years got 4 Rhodes scholars but even after taking that into account - who are you to claim that ten years are a good metric? R u the chairperson of the Mensa society? Thought so.
And stop subtly commenting against an institute (which is way outside your IQ) and then pretending as if that was supporting the very institute. Your kind of degrading trolling has been here since ages. Don’t pretend to be over smart when you lack basic smartness. Read your comment again. Fix your logic and then come talk here
You are the one who are broken, because you see the whole world from your toxic and jaundiced perspective. The hatred that you display for another institution with which you have got no association whatsoever is clearly indicative of you having psychological problems that requires therapeutic assistance. Everything about your latest comment spells out the disturbance in your mind. You lack logic, sense and the mental maturity to engage in any real conversation. You are the one who is deciding who is smart, over-smart and despicable, so it is clear that you are the one with a judgmental bent of mind, not someone else. If you are actually from NLS, which hardly seems likely, then that institute actually has got more problems than it probably even realises. Please keep up the toxic and abusive trolling.
Okay Abdul Kalam Sir , kindly give out tips as to how an institute can be improved
And as for your counter , there isn’t any. So I ain’t even gonna justify your bs trolling until you give me a good argument. No wonder you lack the attention to read even basic stuff
It is clear that the new NLS students lack the ability to read and understand. Otherwise they wouldn't have attacked a comment that is actually speaking in their favour.
Only trolls would consider a factual statement as jealousy. As for your own comment, only immature people like you believe that law schools are at war with each other and hence would have to defeat anyone else. Clearly shows the current standard of whichever institution you belong to. In case it's Law School, I feel ashamed, being an alum myself.
You don’t even seem an alumni from NLS (Law school) yo. Aagye troll karne? First start speaking true facts about yourself in spite of being an anonymous troll hampering discussion. And if you have so much problem with nlsiu , maybe reflect on your clat performance years back as to why you didn’t crack it :)
Many a times in fact. Not sure about the exact number, but would certainly rank high considering that they have been around for so long, predating all NLUs.
I love how Rhodes 2023 result is the most sought after topic in Li these days as a lot of stakes are high for several law schools. Rhodes is tough. So fingers crossed.
Here’s my prediction :- but before that let’s look at some placements and how T-1 Fared domestically and internationally
I will be using words like ‘Best’ and ‘worst’ but I don’t intend to troll.
As per my independent research (which includes just tweets , informal reports and in person info)
NUJS had the best placements domestically and it shares this joint position with NLIU Bhopal
NLU Jodhpur had the best TCs
Nalsar was consistent in TCs but domestically dipped a bit
Most of this info is inaccurate. A simple comparison of the number of TCs received by the NLUs in the last decade would make the position clear, but most NLUs don't readily disclose placement figures anymore. NLUJ does not really have any advantage in that ground over NALSAR or NUJS. One year's performance shouldn't be used as a benchmark.
As for domestic placements, NLIU Bhopal does well, though not as well as NUJS, which has got the best domestic placements for whatever reasons despite its controversies and falling academic standards. NLUJ and NLIU Bhopal have comparable domestic placements. GNLU is slightly behind and NALSAR is slightly ahead of NLUJ and NLIU Bhopal on that count, if we don't count this year. NLS has fallen behind recently, but still does okay enough.
Arey bhai - you are contradicting yourself. I never mentioned nlu J always has better TCs than nalsar. This year has been exceptionally well nlu J foreign wise and for nliu Bhopal domestically. And also Nujs had a lot of tier-2 offers. Woh count karna chalu karunga toh Tera argument fall Waise bhi kar jayega.
Bhai, we at least release our placement reports. Why don't you point out any inaccuracy in those if you know that much? Unlike most NLUs that give out either fake data that's been proven or have just stopped giving out data for years.
By this fashion anyone can release placement reports. And also a lot of colleges give directly their placement reports to NIRF or releases it after a combined period of 2-3 years. It’s not biggie. But ofc judging by your alumni’s insecurity, y’all will ofc debate on petty issues
No university gives its placement report to NIRF. It is clear that you are a troll who has got no idea about how things work in the real world. Nor has any NLU released multiple batch placement reports at one go at any point of time in this century. It's pathetic how you trolls come up with these stories to divert attention from the opacity that multiple NLUs have about their placement. NIRF only wants certain numbers like total students placed and median salary in the form of self-declaration without any fact to back those up, nor is the data submitted ever verified. To try to pass it off as placement report is an indication of your desperation. Our alumni are doing fine, as are our students. They don't need your validation. They can and do get all the jobs that they want, along with scholarships, litigation, policy work and every single career avenue open to a law student. The fact that you can't stand that indicates your insecurity, not anyone else's. Mark how despite no NLU being named for hiding reports or giving fake data, you automatically started defending it. That's the sign of guilt.
‘No university gives its placement to NIRF’??? Why this comment isn’t contested yet lmao. At least other nlus don’t launch self audited inflated reports. Your placement cell is overrated and it’s time you accept that
Cute, deliberately skipping the word report from your quotes. You need to do better even as a law student. The meanings are different. And no, no university does give its placement report to NIRF, nor does the latter ask for it. You should ask the people in your university who actually work on NIRF data, because clearly you're ignorant about the process. As for your continued fake bluster about inflated reports, our reports are released in the public domain, kid. Why don't you identify a false claim in it? Or does your baseless opinion count as audit these days? We are confident about the veracity of the report that we release, that's why we do release it in the public and don't hide it or fake it, unlike you. As for our placement cell, it gives us all the jobs that we want. Clearly, you won't get one based on your empty bluster without a shred of facts. That's why it's all sour grapes with you.
By what fashion? NUJS mentions all the recruiters and the exact number of students whom they have recruited in the final placement report for every batch. How else do you think a placement report is prepared? The market is aware of the fact how each recruiter pays, so there is no requirement to make random claims about median salary. You seem to be as ignorant about placement matters as you're about NIRF. Just go and study, man.
Mentioning all THe recruiters can be done by anyone and even assistant professors. You seem like a person graduated way back in 2010 or a just a recent frustrated associate who feels his or her nujs tag is worthless (which may be true). And look into this year’s NIRF. The placement metrics are all over the place. Just go and lead your mediocre life man.
I'm talking about being better than NLUO and RGNUL. Both those places aren't some great institutions by any stretch of imagination. No offense intended, but that's a fact.
The Rhodes this year will be a VERY big deal. If NLSIU loses out again, that will mean 0 Rhodes scholars in 6 years (2017-23), 1 in 7 years (2016-23) and 2 in 10 years (2014-23). Compare that with a clean sweep in the 90s and 2000s.
Questions will then be asked if the 100/100 NIRF perception score, which keeps NLSIU at #1 each year, is justified. Of course, the worst case scenario will be 0 in 10 years (2017-26) but that is perhaps unlikely.
Are you sure this is accurate? I thought Law School is #1 and not #2. Can you share the names of the NUJS people? In any case, Law School's lead is still too huge to be overtaken.
Lol your argument depicts so many fallacies. Just because it’s old doesn’t mean it willl get Rhodes THAT easily. It had to compete and NLS became NLS after dominating , not by wasting time explaining :)
Very accurate. I know the names of every individual too. If you need the names for NUJS, those are Amba Kak, Gauri Pillai, Mihika Poddar and Adrija (forgot the surname, but she's a Bong).
Yes, they are. As are two of the NUJS students mentioned here. The other two are still studying of course. As it is, all Rhodes applicants are very bright students. The ones who get it are exceptional indeed.
Then we have no evidence of the last year being 'good' either. If you don't release placement report, then don't make any claim about placement. Simple. NLSIU stopped releasing the reports for the last 6 years or so. It is from that point of time that NALSAR, NUJS and NLUJ started gaining in placements over it. That may be just correlation and not causation, but the fact is that those who hide placement data should not be allowed to make claims about placement.
Maybe IIT KGP or NLSIU. My money is on NLU Delhi as well. After their project 39A and its presentation worldwide, Rhodes trust has been positively vigilant of NLUD’s achievements.
Definitely not NLUO. I don’t mean to be trollish but some students lack innovation in academia there. Others are too busy running after T-2 Firm offers.
no offence but the current 5th year nls batch isnt the brightest - some good people but not rhodes level exceptional. the next batch definitely merits mutiple
Why do these two places deserve it while others don't? What a random comment! It's not that these two are any special compared to the others, regardless of what trolls claim.
General Formula to get Rhodes nowadays (exceptions do exist)- a person preferably from Kashmir Region or Oppressed class according to rhodes + Criticise GOI + Criticise Indian policies + leftist or liberal leftist atleast + Victim card + GPA and other ancillaries if above conditions are met.
I have a hunch. Maybe this year in fact belongs to NLUJ. Their TC record is amazing. So maybe they have cracked the foreign code somehow. Let’s wait and watch
What's their TC record? Genuinely asking. I keep seeing references to that here. How many TCs have they got in the last 5 years, can anyone tell accurately?
8 in the last 3 years. This year's is yet to be finalised and it is 4 as on date. I am an insider who has got the stats and am very proud of my alma for this amazing feat.
The question is why? They don't have enough faith on the quality legal education that NLSIU provides any more? No other law school alum in India lobby like that for an individual scholarship.
Rhodes isn’t just an individual ‘scholarship’. It’s much more than that. Even today a whole lot of colleges (every in US like Princeton) uses Rhodes as a metric to judge institutional excellence.
For nlsiu - say it honestly , any alumni would’ve worked to get their students on board for the win. Let’s not single out just NLS
Saying it honestly as you asked for. I've known Rhodes scholars from other NLUs. They have been guided by their alumni, yes. However, the latter never try to exert their influence behind the scene for something like this. Doing so is reprehensible.
I think the way that NLSIU has lobbied over the years is unfair. The Infosys-Rhodes Trust connection was used to the hilt. Other channels as well. Now an alum is chairing the selection panel.
In my view, the Rhodes panel should have one representative from each of the four corners of India, each being an alum from a different university, plus 3 foreigners. Also, the corporate trustees should be more balanced. Once CEO from each part of the country. Also, the preference for wokeness and human rights law should stop.
That might be the case. If it happens, it's unfortunate that the scholar, who would doubtless be exceptional in their own right, might still be seen to have made it due to the lobbying rather than on merit, for no fault of their own.
This seems like the fastest growing thread in LI lol. Came here morning , checked 60 replies and now there are more than 85 Dyam. Rhodes Thread has always been popular at LI
Follow this for more updates. The application date already closed around 1st August 2023. So the results will be declared around late September or November maybe.
This has been the tradition for 2020 , 2021 and 2022.
'Unseen heights' - they're not going to give it to more than one person per law school per batch, and usually not even more than one law student from India at large. My money is on Kartik already. Though Manhar and Rushil are brilliant too. Don't see anything that special about the rest you've mentioned.
"don't see anything that special." Quite surprising, they've all achieved quite a lot (finalists in vis east, great academics, SCOPUS publishing etc). Haven't seen many other third years achieve anything like this commonly.
And these articles are actually good. Like superior to the ones we usually see. I am assuming some of these people will be applying for Rhodes. One of them has a chance
well, if you check out the publications by Kartik, Manhar, Sukarm, Priyansh etc. they're all at Oxford/Colombia Journals. So yeah, this is not just a 'SCOPUS tag', but quality journals.
Don't dilute or degrade Rhodes (or any scholarship) by terming it as based entirely on 'luck' as if it's a lottery. It's based on the constant push, effort and sacrifice of these individuals over five years in academic, co-curricular and extra-curricular activities, their personality and knowledge and how well they can sell themselves. Of course luck plays a role, but it's not like anyone can get it.
The selection committee must take grade inflation into account. It's vert hard to score high at NLSIU but it's well-known that certain NLUs hand out high grades very easily.
Maybe the increasing penetration of Rhodes prestige into each and every law school. Also the tendency to leave india for a brilliant scholarship can level up your academic hype in the market. Plus loads of other reasons
You know very few people can afford the success of Rhodes that follows after. Tbh Raag Yadava and Tarunabh ▮▮▮ are two of those people. NLS deserves it. It deserves it more than anything now
@Mod: Are you now deleting comments subsequently after having allowed them? I distinctly remember two additional comments to this Raag/Tarunabh comment, both of which did not have anything trollish in them either. Moreover, even if someone claims those to be trollish, isn't the practice to mark those thus, instead of deleting those altogether?
The first comment was a sarcastic one that merely said that Raag should not even be compared with Tarunabh at this stage and doing so amounts to irrational hero-worshipping. Which is absolutely true. TK is a globally respected scholar while RY is merely a junior academic with very few if any credible peer-reviewed work of scholarship to his credit. Nor has he achieved anything of note yet following his Rhodes, unless you are calling an Assistant Professorship at NLS a credit-worthy achievement in its own right. How is that anything but factual and which hard-earned achievement of Raag has been demeaned by this exactly? There are hundreds of LI comments which are many a times more derogatory than this but still allowed by you all on a regular basis. This is biased moderation in the favour of an individual, nothing else.
This was probably the right call as the thread was veering off into trollish territory as a whole. While we might always get things right as a team of moderators but are experimenting with stricter moderation to make LI a nicer place... We will float some new rules soon for discussion.
I don't see outright trollish comments deleted on a regular basis on this forum by you following publication. You even mark comments including outright abuses as merely trollish. Why this double standard exactly?
I would like to know exactly which hard-earned achievement are you referring to here. Also, should I tag you in every comment on LI that demeans the hard-earned achievements of other people and institutions? Half of what you publish every day do exactly that. Don't be a hypocrite at least!
Yadava has not really done anything yet in the academic circle to deserve any additional accolade after his Rhodes scholarship. Calling him a serious scholar at this stage would be premature, especially in comparison with people like Khaitan. He is a junior academic as of now, teaching at a good university, does not have any international level publication yet, may do so in the near future.
Love how this thread evolved from a 'civil' discussion on Rhodes to the NLS peoples' own backyard for settling scores and pushing their own agenda - the batch of '26 is surely gifted in PR!
Will this be the year of the dominant T-1 or will we see a gradual rise of underrated colleges from the Indian subcontinent?
I have some expectations from Nujs but not much. They had one Rhodes scholar in the last few years tho so they have improved.
Nalsar can be a dark horse.
I have no idea about NLU Delhi
Maybe NLUJ or DU?
The kind of insecurity your comment projects only makes me lose faith on your basic logic sense.
I am not denying that Nujs in the last ten years got 4 Rhodes scholars but even after taking that into account - who are you to claim that ten years are a good metric? R u the chairperson of the Mensa society? Thought so.
And stop subtly commenting against an institute (which is way outside your IQ) and then pretending as if that was supporting the very institute. Your kind of degrading trolling has been here since ages. Don’t pretend to be over smart when you lack basic smartness. Read your comment again. Fix your logic and then come talk here
And as for your counter , there isn’t any. So I ain’t even gonna justify your bs trolling until you give me a good argument. No wonder you lack the attention to read even basic stuff
https://www.scconline.com/blog/post/2020/05/12/in-conversation-with-hatim-hussain-on-winning-rhodes-scholarship-2019/amp/
Overall GNLU has two Rhodes scholars till date.
NLU Delhi maybe YES
Maybe the upcoming batch will pull some momentum.
For now I am divided between NLU Delhi and GNLU
Here’s my prediction :- but before that let’s look at some placements and how T-1 Fared domestically and internationally
I will be using words like ‘Best’ and ‘worst’ but I don’t intend to troll.
As per my independent research (which includes just tweets , informal reports and in person info)
NUJS had the best placements domestically and it shares this joint position with NLIU Bhopal
NLU Jodhpur had the best TCs
Nalsar was consistent in TCs but domestically dipped a bit
NLS had the worst year in terms of placements
So maybe NLS alumni will infact lobby hard
But my money is on NLU Delhi and NLU Jodhpur
As for domestic placements, NLIU Bhopal does well, though not as well as NUJS, which has got the best domestic placements for whatever reasons despite its controversies and falling academic standards. NLUJ and NLIU Bhopal have comparable domestic placements. GNLU is slightly behind and NALSAR is slightly ahead of NLUJ and NLIU Bhopal on that count, if we don't count this year. NLS has fallen behind recently, but still does okay enough.
NUJS - 4 (2021, 2018, 2016, 2013)
NLSIU - 3 (2016, 2014, 2013)
NLUD - 2 (2020, 2015)
CLC Delhi - 2 (2020, 2015)
GNLU - 2 (2019, 2017)
Nagpur University - 1 (2017)
NUALS - 1 (2016)
NALSAR - 1 (2014)
Kinda confused as you think it’s not a high bar to beat and yet there is only one….
Questions will then be asked if the 100/100 NIRF perception score, which keeps NLSIU at #1 each year, is justified. Of course, the worst case scenario will be 0 in 10 years (2017-26) but that is perhaps unlikely.
Nehi toh nalsar
Fingers crossed for NLU Delhi tho. They deserve it. Same goes for NLSIU
Well done!
For nlsiu - say it honestly , any alumni would’ve worked to get their students on board for the win. Let’s not single out just NLS
In my view, the Rhodes panel should have one representative from each of the four corners of India, each being an alum from a different university, plus 3 foreigners. Also, the corporate trustees should be more balanced. Once CEO from each part of the country. Also, the preference for wokeness and human rights law should stop.
My money is in NLSIU tho
The Rhodes fever is not ending soon
Follow this for more updates. The application date already closed around 1st August 2023. So the results will be declared around late September or November maybe.
This has been the tradition for 2020 , 2021 and 2022.
https://academic.oup.com/slr/article-abstract/44/2/hmad004/7202008?redirectedFrom=fulltext
https://www.tandfonline.com/toc/rouc20/current
https://journals.library.columbia.edu/index.php/cja/article/view/11115
There are plenty of other students who have published at peer review journals like NLU Delhi Journal of Legal Studies, NUJS Law Review and more...
Batch of 2026 is exceptional for sure
I guess it’s a typo.
The sooner you guys realise this, the less time you will spend on this inane thread.
NLS (I hope, don’t know for sure) remains in the race,
Check it out here: - https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/303000-Rhodes-India-2024-Results