it should be back online, google has reinstated our account (again!). we're looking at a more sustainable solution though.

the original thread is here: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/221940-crowdsourced-open-and-fully-editable-list-of-salaries-in-indian-law-firms#comment-221940

Law professors work 8-9 hours plus 5-6 hours at home. Since I joined academia, the admins work and the 4-5 hour teaching daily with you being overstimulated with 60 students, events, admissions, etc etc . So minimum work hour is 70-80. There is a lot of misconception today that teaching is easy and teachers are free. Also all this with no respect.

Forgive my ignorance, but what is this about NLSAT? What has happened there?

As for the alleged notoriety, it seems to be the fate of all elite institutions: everything happening inside these places acquires a disproportionate emphasis. The good that happens is expected and rarely invites comment and the bad that happens is frustrating and gets significantly greater attention.

As you all may know by now, an internal ChatGPT model has managed to solve a millennium problem, the hardest set of problems in mathematics, in 88 hours. We also have Sam Altman and Dario Amodei, the CEOs of the ChatGPT and Anthropic, calling for government regulation because they believe AI is too powerful to be regulated privately. Think about that for a sec. Private, capitalist companies calling for government intervention. That itself is a scary thought. I'm a 2nd year at a T1 NLU and I'm genuinely concerned about the future of this profession if AI continues to evolve the way it has been evolving. What are yalls opinions and do you think AI genuinely will be a threat to the associate/fresher jobs in the legal industry in ~4 years from now?

See, if you really feel it in yourself then

1. Join the UPSC Group A service

2. After 2-3 years, resign and complete an LLM from abroad (with full scholarship)

3. Come back and join a chamber in Delhi where juniors get paid

4. Slog for next 10 years atleast.

But to answer your question- NO you won’t lose out if you don’t join the practice immediately

Hey @mods, sorry for chasing on this, but I was wondering what's up with the lovely list. Seems like it went online for a while, and then pulled down by Google again.

If so, did anyone make a copy and can share it here? (even if it might not be updated to the date), and for the longer term, has the team thought of other alternatives, so that whoever is reporting the sheet, doesn't unnecessarily get it down again?

This is a little urgent - so if possible, kindly do moderate this faster, and let us know of any updates.

Thanks a lot!

Yaar weekends chodo, my partner asked me to leave law when I told them I'd not be able to work on Sunday morning, when my AIB exam was, because my centre was all the way in Nalasupara (a Mumbai suburb that's really far from the city centre for those not from Mumbai), and I'd need a lot of time to travel to-and from the exam centre. They wanted to have the evening off, so needed me to work in the first half (I ended up not doing it though, for which I think they are still extracting revenge on me I think).

This was a CAM-Mumbai-Fourth-floor partner of course.

I left KLA Corporate and I can write my experience. The place has some good learning and some partners who really knows their stuff, but that's honestly where the positives end. If you're looking at this as a long-term place or you're joining in a senior role, it can be challenging.

1. The working hours are stretched

There are no real working hours. You'll work late nights, weekends and even holidays when required and then leave is not respected. One of the partners was on vacation recently and still worked through the holiday. That's the culture.

To be fair, there is an initiative to reduce weekend work through Friday planning calls. Nobody is denying that it exists. But if you're in the teams of the two APs, it changes nothing. They have so much work that their teams still end up working weekends because the work has to get done. So joining one of the AP teams means you'll learn the most, but you'll also carry much more work than everyone else.

2. The Corporate team runs on the backs of two APs.

Everyone knows there are two APs who do most of the work and are the most exploited people in the team. One is treated worse than a paralegal by the leadership. The other is under unbelievable work pressure. If you're in their teams, you'll learn a lot because they know their work, but they barely have time to mentor because they're drowning in work.

3. The Head of Corporate is the biggest issue.

Most problems in Corporate start there. Work gets dumped on the same people, favourites get different treatment, and everyone in the team knows it.

She made different teams and announced that she would personally train people and do regular calls with them. It was made into a big initiative. She didn't turn up for any call. Lots of announcements, lots of promises, and nothing actually happens. All show, no substance. The Senior Partner will never say a word to her (everyone knows why) and therefore what she says goes.

4. You need to fall in line

Leadership clearly prefers people who keep them happy and agree with everything. Even new partners are expected to fall in line. Your growth depends as much on politics as performance.

5. Salaries, hikes and promotions have no transparency.

Salaries are not good for the amount of work expected. Increments are poor unless you're one of the deciding people's favourites. Promotions are slow and completely unclear. Everyone knows hikes depend more on favourites than performance.

6. Learning depends on luck.

Some partners are excellent lawyers and some matters are genuinely great. You'll get very good exposure if you're staffed with the right people. But there are also partners who add very little, and getting staffed with them hurts your development (mostly other partners in corporate).

7. There is basically no HR or feedback system.

HR is a silent spectator. There are no proper reviews, no meaningful feedback, and nobody to escalate workload, salary or people issues to. It honestly feels like there is no HR department.

8. Attrition says everything.

The Corporate team can't retain people. Associates keep leaving for a reason. People don't leave because there isn't work. They leave because of the workload, politics and favouritism. Nothing changes despite so many people leaving.

9. Real issues are blamed on the wrong people.

Whenever something goes wrong in Corporate, blame gets shifted onto certain people. Everyone knows where the actual issues are and who the actual problem is, but nobody will do anything about it.

10. Integrity is only expected from juniors.

The firm talks a lot about integrity, professionalism and not gossiping. The irony is that one of the top partners in Corporate spends most of the day gossiping about people. Different rules apply to senior leadership.

Use KLA Corporate as a learning place for 1–2 years and leave before Senior Associate. That's probably the best use of this firm.

Before accepting an offer, ask which partner and which location you'll be joining. This is the biggest factor in your experience. If you're joining in a senior position, ask your exact role and expectations clearly. Ask how salaries, increments and promotions work. Ask about the review and feedback process.

All the best!

Hi, please look into Wadia/DSK/Stratage/BLC or any boutique GC firms (lots of partners have gone rogue and started their own practices, a bit of research would go a long way) - apply directly to these partners and also the HR. These firms/boutique set ups hire well after graduation, and honestly you might convert in Wadia if your performance is good. Trilegal also takes Trainee Associates from what ive heard, get in touch with anyone you know in these firms and ask around. Keep applying directly.

It's simple. In the previous generations, the purchasing, aspirational class was an anglicised elite confined to metro cities. Now, the masses rule. NLSIU would never name a festival today as Strawberry Fields. It would probably be called Bindaas Masti or something liek that.

The anglicised elite now mostly live abroad. Those living in India send their children to Ashoka and Jindal.

Working knowledge requires effort and time. Some unfocussed jack of all trades approach to make a quick buck will have you doing incorporations for 200 Rs. forever because nobody will come to you for anything else, and you won't learn anything else, not even what you set out to do initially.

RML has been around for nearly 20 years now. We keep hearing about the “alumni network” but can anyone even tell us how many RML alumni are partners at established firms today? and what are they even doing to bring internships and jobs to campus? Other NLUs seem to have alumni actively opening doors for their students.

I am a middle class kid who did really well academically high GPA and internships but I am still unemployed. The college does not assist with placements AT ALL. They have a useless career placement officer who does everything (remember Desi Boyz, guys and gals?), but bringing in placements. Atp, private colleges like Symbiosis are doing a better job in grabbing in house and firms roles. Joker of an institution NLS has become.

The problem did not start today. Classes are not conducted on a regular basis, attendance records are not kept, and students have been allowed to sit for exams with zero attendance for years under the TMC rule. The protests that you see today are expected when you try to change a corrupt system that has been put in place for the last 15 years. You can't change it overnight.

chup chap GLC me jhola lekar aane ka, shanti se shadow banke paanch saal kaatneka aur first year se fifth year tak ek ich office me baithe rehne ka, na koi loan ka bojha, na koi unemployment ki fikar, aur tumko lagta hai ki Mumbai me rahoge kaise, to sun lo, 15-20% bacche kaise bhi karke hostel me aa jaate hai fir chahe wo private ho ya government, and rest of them will do flat sharing and tie their shit together like adults and not cry for lacking study tables in hostel, honestly speaking, if you are the right material you will out earn your expenses of all five years through your internship money only, placement lage to placement nahi Lage to apna office zindabaad, koi shaq reh gaya ho to iirf ki 2026 ki ranking dekh lena and graduate outcome and employability me sort kar lena, india me 3rd hai apun ka college, samjhe bhai, Bombay sab ko apnaata hai, baki nlu loan me wat lagata hai

If you don’t understand what point 4 means, that itself suggests you may not have sufficient familiarity with capital markets. In that case, it would be better to avoid commenting on matters you are not entirely sure about, particularly when doing so may spread inaccurate information.

Also, SAM, CAM and S&R are broadly at par in terms of compensation and international opportunities. The primary difference lies in the nature of the mandates. At CAM and SAM, you are likely to get more exposure to company counsel work, in that order.

CAM has a team of over 100 lawyers, which naturally allows for somewhat more breathing room compared to some other capital markets teams. That said, you will be working under significant pressure at all three firms. Choose wisely.

I have come across a bunch of profiles which state their "long-term" internships at Khaitan being paralegalship (looked at students interning in corporate/B&F/funds). Does an actual paralegal position exit at Khaitan, is it any different than a long term internship.

How does the procedure to apply even work since I'm told Khaitan has a strict 1-month and 1-internship policy but I know of people who flout both these norms. Is it only through having contacts inside the firm or is there a separate application procedure for these positions?

Got into an insignificant Group A service through upsc, don't know if I should join this or practice. Has anyone made it in litigation after hiatus in a completely different field? Want to litigate in Delhi but my father is hard pressed for the odd 40- 50kish I need to survive there for atleast a year. Would I lose out if I don't join the profession immediately?

hi, i'm a non-nlu grad (batch of 2027) with keen interest and substantial experience in insolvency and restructuring (madaan law offices, ukca, sasttra i've worked with). keen to know what value this practice area has in t1-t3 law firms. AND if the corporate teams (distressed assets/restructuring) would be willing to hire someone with litigation experience in ibc.

The recent ones...

1. Convocation cancellation and standoff with BCI
2. Infrastructure collapse and campus protests
3. NLSAT exam discrepancies
4. BCI approval listing delays

5. Umar Khalid documentary screening and ABVP

https://www.barandbench.com/news/nlsiu-convocation-was-cancelled-after-students-rejected-demand-to-publicly-invite-cji-surya-kant

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/bengaluru/nlsiu-students-stage-night-long-protest-over-hostel-facilities/articleshow/131076885.cms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTEY2CSVxC8&t=4s

https://www.barandbench.com/Law-School/nlsiu-tnnlu-gnlu-still-not-on-bcis-approved-list-of-law-colleges-deadline-extended-for-fifth-time

https://www.barandbench.com/news/abvp-continues-push-for-cancellation-after-nlsiu-defers-umar-khalid-documentary-screening

A bit confused about navigating insider trading regulations, and I’ve stopped investing altogether because of it.

I don’t want to keep my savings in an FD, and I currently have a high risk appetite, so I’m comfortable investing most of all of my savings in stocks/SIPs.

How does a regular retail investor navigate insider trading rules? What should I be careful about to avoid inadvertently violating them?

The main problem at NLSIU is not criticism of a particular political party or dispensation(which is the hallmark of a thriving democracy), but rather an overly vitriolic atmosphere created by the left wing. So much so that being a right-winger here is a crime, and you have almost no avenues to express your views. Any polite counter-argument to someone whom you think is making a completely irrational statement will be met with name-calling, and you'll be subjected to a volley of hate and bullying.
Not that this is entirely the fault of the students; this environment has been nurtured by the administration itself, where the professors and the course curriculum reflect a distinct ideological bias, and opposing ideas and arguments are shamelessly muffled by your own peers. The students here, (the moment they find out that you're a right-winger) will resort to all kinds of foul language and cyberbullying.

I faced this problem too. But I think there classes were okay tbh. At this price point we shouldn't have expected better classes. But regarding the non responsive behaviour, yes that I agree with you. Moreover their whatsapp group is also Admins only so there is no channel of reliable contact with them

Oh I am sorry.

We know the men who worked and had things tick along. In return there were attempts to ▮▮▮

Someone lead the internal lynch mobs from the shadows which clearly you're a part of. ▮▮▮. I can drop names but that would be a disservice to them.

▮▮▮ Defend your bread and butter, but expect a stink. Now when those people who rebuild on their own, you mock them. Just sit down.

My god- nls people are really so obsessed with such rudimentary things. Relax you all- none of this really matters in the long run. Once you are out in the world, your college will only take you a very small distance (sometimes, not even that). So, pls chill. Focus on becoming better human beings. Obsession with nls’ reputation and contempt for other universities makes you look quite dumb.