Update

So we sent the email and the student bar council took charge. Our vice president voiced our concerns to the administration and our VC agreed to make a committee to sort this matter.

Yesterday, our registrar also visited our accommodation and took a headcount of our current batch.

To trolls who are throwing personal attacks, try to understand one's situation before talking shit. Even our faculties are scared to raise their voice (despite not getting full salaries for the past six months),what the hell do you expect a single first-year student just out of high school to do? Had my identity been compromised, I'd have been thrown out of this uni for the violation of the "academic code of conduct"

Today was the first day of our end-semester examination. We're still waiting for positive results. Thank you to everyone who genuinely helped us. Though we didn't mass boycott the exams, there were a lot of useful actions that I was able to take because of the clarity some LI peers gave.

Navajyoti Samanta (NUJS, Associate Professor at Leicester)

Shubhankar Dam (NUJS, Portsmouth)

Saptarishi Bandopadhyay (NUJS, Osgoode, York)

Avantik Tamta (NUJS, lecturer and PhD candidate, Melbourne)

Supriyo Routh (NUJS LLM, Victoria)

Chinmayi Arun (NALSAR, Project Director and Research Scholar, Yale)

In light of the Courts and Constitution Conference (Panel 6 on Shamnad Basheer Memorial Roundtable Conference on Disability Law) held at NALSAR, few lawyers and a student highlighted the barriers faced during recruitment or internships. However, there seems no public discussion on the issue. What can the legal community do to make sure the market is more inclusive for PwDs?

Hi, I was in a similar situation. I currently work at a Tier 1. These are the tips I can give you: (1) intern as much as possible (specially if you go to GLC) - I did not utilize my time interning and in hindsight, the experience would have helped me; (2) don't hesitate in cold calling/e-mailing (you never know when you get lucky); (3) make sure you spend time understanding basic concepts with respect to the field of law you choose; and (4) focus on learning as much as possible and from wherever possible (I started my career at a T2 and realized that there is lots of learnings to pick up from juniors to peers to seniors).

All the best, you got this!

It’s an unauthorised encampment. They were harassing Jewish students. And waving banners of Hezbollah and Hamas - both terrorist groups. And they were burning the American flag. Go to Shai Davidais Twitter and you can see videos. They were told to leave and warned several times. The president of Columbia went to congress and lied about the action she was taking against them at the time.

It is not in good faith to claim “Palestinians are not all Hamas “ when you don’t stop people in your movement from waving the hezbollah and Hamas flags. It’s not in good faith to claim that there are innocent Palestinians and babies that have been harmed ( which anyone would be sympathetic to) But then to use that sympathy to sloganeer about how you’re proud of the martyrs of oct 7.

Mods : you clearly cannot moderate these topics. You always let these conversations start and then fail at moderating fairly mid way through. It would be better to not allow the misinformation in the first place. You’re under no pressure to let someone post some nonsense about this culture war in America every week or about the real war in Israel. It’s the honourable thing to go : “we just are not equipped to keep moderating these arguments” and just stop.

In fact, I'm surprised why this didn't happen earlier. Sounds win-win. For example, pay associates 60K in Nashik instead of 1L in Mumbai. The firms save money and the associates probably save more than they would in Mumbai and live in a better apartment. If there is an important physical meeting in Mumbai, the associate can travel by train. In fact, you can even keep associates in Raipur or Ranchi at 50K and ask them to fly down for physical meetings (at the firm's cost). It will still cost the firm less.

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/jobs/hr-policies-trends/top-law-firms-rule-in-favour-of-smaller-cities-plan-to-hire-local-talent-in-nashik-pune-indore-jaipur-chandigarh/articleshow/109443643.cms?from=mdr

Hello,

Personal details -

I am working in a Tier 2 law firm in Mumbai in IBC Practice. I have 4+ years work experience here and there. I started with a Litigation lawyer, climbed up to a firm. I took this job due to family financial issues. Currently earning 12 LPA. But I don't have savings due to family reasons - I had to support them for these many years. My age is 26.

Not giving exact details for privacy reasons.

My dream was to became a Judicial Officer. But currently I have done zero prep. I have mostly done SARFESI, IBC work and have forgotten every important law over the time. I only go to NCLT and DRT.

Is it possible to prepare for Judicial Services Exam with a job?

My working houses are 10 to 8, luckily weekends are off (Saturday and Sunday)

How to prepare?

Should I leave my job for preparation?

I am looking for UP Judicial Services Exam.

Kindly tell me if preparing with full time job is possible.

I have heard that for UPSC exams it's very difficult to study with full time job. Is it the same for Judicial Services?

I can quit the job but I only have 4L savings enough for 1 year.

Moderator, can we please get a sticky LI thread clearly stating the moderation rules and standards? Because of late, at least part of the moderation seems quite random and arbitrary. I am stating this as an objective reader, setting aside law school petty rivalry or political affiliation. If you don't want anyone to name others, then the same standard should apply throughout, for example. If universities can be named, but law firms are off limits, please mention that clearly. Basically, let the readers and posters know about the rules and be objective and clear about those. Kian used to do that once upon a time.

https://www.indialegallive.com/top-news-of-the-day/news/law-colleges-universities-bar-council-india/

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/education/news/bar-council-of-india-calls-for-stricter-measures-to-uphold-legal-education-standards/articleshow/109387688.cms

https://www.hindustantimes.com/education/news/bar-council-urges-higher-education-institutes-state-governments-to-uphold-sanctity-of-legal-education-101713416328771.html

BCI writes to state governments (their respective Departments of Education) about the fall in the quality of legal education. It urges state governments to be very prudent in approving new law colleges and their affiliation. As expected, the note is only for the state governments and state universities. It covers state NLUs that are mushrooming now. It excludes national universities that are INIs (obviously).

This seems a little outdated.

You guys can volunteer to update the spreadsheet for each other's convenience while referring to the updated threads, thank you! ⭐ https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/347477-mega-thread-updated-2024-salaries#comment-347477

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/261285-honest-a0-salaries-for-tier-1-and-tier-2-law-firms-2023

Be an understanding professor first. In our college, some new professor's inundate student's with work and are very bad and disrespectful towards students in their demeanor. If you want respect, then be respectful and understanding the the students too. The profession is to teach and not about making it everything about yourself or taking your frustrations out on the students.

Also, read well and teach well too. Don't just read from the book. Nobody respects that. Students can do it on their own too.

Should I be the silent, strict, no-nonsense kind or the bat shit crazy genius unpredictable kind ? As a young assistant professor I always wonder which kind students prefer ? The strict ones are great to keep a distinction between professional and personal life. However the crazy weird ones are interesting.

No political background. As someone else pointed out he's a graduate from NLS and went to Bishop Cottons which is one of Bangalore's poshest schools. He has made good use of those networks. Of course he is also an excellent speaker with great clarity of argument - both inside and outside court.

Given your interest in pursuing an MBA abroad, it's important to consider some key differences between law and business studies, and how they might impact your preparation. While the MBA is often viewed as overhyped in India, primarily for its placement opportunities, the true value of an MBA lies in its broad approach to problem-solving and emphasis on collaboration.

Law focuses on learning rules and procedures within a competitive environment, whereas an MBA will challenge you to apply simple, effective rules across various aspects of life and work. This teaches you to think broadly and work collaboratively, skills that are crucial in any business setting. This is not something which comes easy to lawyers and the more you be a lawyer in a law firm, the more difficult this transition will take.

However, if you want to make your MBA experience truly enriching, consider diving into subjects like accounting and finance, which are fundamental to understanding the language of business. Additionally, running your own business, even on a small scale, can provide invaluable real-world experience that enhances your learning in an MBA program.

Before you decide, it's crucial to reflect deeply on why you want to pursue an MBA. Understanding your core motivations will help you determine if this degree aligns with your professional goals. Once clear, choose a business school that aligns with your learning approach and where you aspire to relocate and work.

Rather than looking for a specific area of law that might prepare you for an MBA, focus directly on gaining experiences that align with your interest in business. As Warren Buffet suggests, align your actions closely with your goals to make the most of your time and efforts.

Reflecting on my personal experience, completing my MBA over a decade ago significantly changed my perspective, enabling me to integrate a business viewpoint in all my professional endeavours. This shift might well be something you find equally transformative, should you decide to proceed with an MBA. Speak to lawyers who have done an MBA to get the right insight. No blogs or posts here can serve that purpose.

All the best with your future plans.

Get an iPad - it's a sine qua non to be a disputes lawyer in today's age. In addition to the massive help in courts, use it as a second screen. Store your files in a drive/cloud and access it from both your work laptop and your iPad. (If your work laptop is a new gen MacBook and you get a compatible iPad, it actually acts as a second screen wirelessly.)

Have a meticulous file organization system. If your firm is lackadaisical about it, have your own system and stick to it.

Also, today you get many screens which connect to your laptop/desktop via USB. They're sleek and portable. A good option - and I'll argue better than two monitors stuck together at work.

Hey folks,

What are some everyday, irksome tasks in your workflow, and have you found any clever workarounds? For example, at my previous firm, the restriction on using a second screen/ monitor meant one was doomed to endless switching between tabs and documents. The Word split-view feature at least made life a tad easier. Or perhaps you've experienced the hair-splitting task of finding that one email from a cesspool of a mailbox you inherited.

Would be interesting to hear transactional and disputes lawyers' tech/ workflow struggles, uncover common pain points (maybe associates/ partners face the same or wildly different problems!) and hopefully, discover solutions to those pesky everyday tasks.

Ok here goes, as far as direct tax is concerned at least

Established Seniors:

Delhi - Arvind Datar, Ajay Vohra, Preetesh Kapur, S Ganesh, Salil Kapoor, RV Easwar

Mumbai - Percy Pardiwalla, JD Mistry, POTUS Kaka, Farrokh Irani, K Shivaram, Vikram Nankani, V Sridharan (VS and VN do more indirect tax, but also have many direct tax matters)

Ahmedabad - Saurabh Soparkar, Tushar Hemani

Bangalore - KK Chaithanya

Kolkata - JP Khaitan

Rising Juniors (of age bracket approx 35 to 45: so those who are just on the cusp of getting really busy to those on the cusp of senior designation):

Delhi - Kamal Sawhney, Sachit Jolly, Gautam Swarup, Ananya Kapoor

Mumbai - Nishant Thakker, Nitesh Joshi, Sunil Lala, Madhur Agarwal, Mihir Naniwadekar, Harsh Kapadia, Rahul Sarda, Dharan Gandhi, Devendra Jain

I am not aware of rising Juniors in Bangalore/Ahd/Kolkata. There will be some, but none that I know of.

So you will think that there's a fair bit of options. The problem is that practically all the quality work is with one of these names... So come to think of it, not so many options then, if this is the entire pool...

It means they are preparing for the Solicitor exam wherein you have to undertake a three year internship like program called articled clerkship under a solicitor. You'll have to work under the solicitor for three years like a CA article and then write the exam. The exam is generally intensive and the clearance rate is pretty low..Have heard that you need contacts to get signed up as an article and even clear the exam because people fail in a subject or two by a thin margin.

First suggestion, do not enter ip prosecution. Once you enter there is rarely an exit from the practice and after the ROI does not justify the salary increase as majority of IP prosecution is done by boutique firms so the corporate T1s don't really want to enter it (other than KCO).

My suggestion would be to enter IP transactional or litigation. Try to get into the relevant teams in Anand and Anand or Saikrishna. Remfry is also great provided yothey don't push you in prosecution.

Disclaimer - this is a personal opinion. There are many who have found their footing in IP prosecution and are earning really well.

Heyy, NLIU is still in Tier 1. I know its NIRF rankings have fallen but i genuinely would say that it has a good academic, mooting and sports culture, placement rate etc. the decision is yours, but i think NLIU is a very good choice. NLIU cannot be compared to colleges like HNLU or NLUO. NLIU is far better.

P.s. There is no such thing as Tier 1.5, its either 1 or 2.

Hope this helped :)

Nivedita Nathany from GLC, Mumbai.

She died in an unfortunate accident near NCPA, Marine drive while she was trying to cross the road to the other side of the drive. Now GLC has an award under her name given out to the best student who qualifies all the laid criteria and after a panel interview.

I don't know what's the point at laughing at other's silly mistake? And then people wonder why others get depressed or can't speak up more. Grow up.

Don't worry about the replies OP, it happens. You'll meet more A-holes like this in law school & in the profession. Simply avoid them and toughen up.

Regarding your query, I assume you meant NLIU Bhopal. Well, it definitely is a tier 1 but well below NLS, NLUD, NALSAR, NUJS & maybe at par or below GNLU & NLUJ. Having said that, it's not a bad NLU, there is plenty of opportunities to do well. Sure the higher the NLU tag, the more opportunities you get. However that's absolutely upto your hardwork and networking. If you're interested in litigation, judiciary, civil services or academia, it's fine to continue there. Top NLUs mostly help in corporate placements.

My advice would be to join NLIU, then appear for clat again if you wish. In case you get a better university you can move, albeit you lose a year. If not you can continue at NLIU and you won't be wasting a year.

Whatever your choice, keep in mind beyond the next 5 years, as to where you want to see yourself. All the best.

In NLUO, there was one person named Ritwik Das, he died while playing football during NUJS Invicta due to cardiac arrest in 2019. Every year since then his birthday is celebrated by students as a tradition. I don't think anyone on campus now knew him personally but they celebrate his birthday without fail. His parents too have instituted a Gold Medal in his honour. The gold medal is awarded to best sports person from every batch during convocation.

Sorry for this depressing topic, but i’ve been thinking about this a lot, after the sad news of two more tragic deaths of Jindal students a couple of days ago.

Although these deaths are no doubt very sad, you will see that across law school batches past and present there are premature deaths, whether in college or after graduation. Just speak to people from Gen X to Gen Z. Almost everyone has a batchmate who is no more. Some had cancer, some had a heart attack because of work stress, some had COVID, some were in an accident, some took their own life. Even if you look at it mathematically, in a batch of 100 students there is a reasonable chance one person may die before reaching 40/45 years, or even 25 years. Sounds terrible, but it’s perhaps true?

So I was just thinking about these people who left the world too soon. Do you know any of them? Do you remember them? Does your college have medals and competitions in their name? How were they as people? Smart? Funny? Introverted? Troubled? Sad? I mean, we barely even remember COVID! Do we remember our friends who died of it?

Sorry, but just thinking about this a lot today.

Earlier most partner promotions were won by Male lawyers. Female lawyers used to leave law firms to marry, have babies and make way for family life. With very few exceptions like SAMVAD Partners, LKS and other firms with better work life balance.

There was a saying women cannot have it all. Female partners who were promoted didn't have kids, families. And there was a glass ceiling preventing women from climbing up ladders in corporate law firms.

Now, in every tier 1 law firms most hires are women (70%) but there was a concern that even though most fresh hires were women, they are not becoming partners at the rate of men.

And this year's Trilegal promotions show that the glass ceiling will be shattered.

7/11 Partner promotions were won by women.

From Bar and Bench

'Trilegal has announced the promotion of 11 Counsel to partnership, the single biggest increase in the size of its partnership in its history.

Out of the 11 promoted, 7 are women.

This round of promotion brings the total number of equity partners of the firm to 128.

The following lawyers have been elevated to partnership across practices and offices:

Adhunika Premkumar, Corporate, Bengaluru

Aditi Goyal, Tax, Delhi

Anubhav Ghosh, Financial Regulatory, Mumbai

Anusha Ramesh, Dispute Resolution, Delhi

Deep Rao, Dispute Resolution, Delhi

Janmali Manikala, Dispute Resolution, Delhi

Mohammed Shameer, Dispute Resolution, Bengaluru

Sadaf Shaikh, Corporate, Mumbai

Sibani Saxena, Corporate, Mumbai

Sumi Saikia, Corporate, Gurugram

Swathy S Pisharody, Projects, Bengaluru'

That's how recruitments work right? Why did ISRO go to IITs for direct recruitment and not to other Enginerring colleges? (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businesstoday.in/amp/latest/story/iitians-not-joining-isro-60-students-walked-out-of-recruitment-drive-after-seeing-pay-structure-s-somanath-401614-2023-10-11)

Why do big law firms go to top NLUs and not to other colleges? The recruiter decides it.

Okay, I have a habit of overthinking again and again, if someone shouts at me, talks rudely or humiliates me. Basically the entire day is gone. I loose all interest and concentration for work. I just wanna run home, dumb-scroll till I sleep just to distract my mind from the incident. Most incidents are gone in a day though some remain for two-three days a minimum. I tried sharing with my friends but they are busy as well and tbh I feel like I am just whining. Therapy takes a lot of time and money. At this point I know no matter what I do, how good I become, I cannot expect everyone to never shout at me or humiliate me or be rude. It seems to be an inherent part of this profession or maybe life in general. I can't afford to waste time feeling sad for entire day and loose focus. How can I get back to work quickly and stop overthinking. Thanks

What is wrong with Gen Z, man?? You guys are constantly fighting with each other and waging woke wars on campus. College is supposed to be FUN. College means sports, fests, theatre, debating, quizzing, music, dance etc. College is not meant to be a toxic place where you are branded and segregated on the basis of ideology. Is there any wonder we see such high levels of depression and loneliness on campus???

If someone supports Modi, let them. If someone supports Rahul, let them. Stop basing your whole life on politics!!!

You know, what I don't understand is, why so much spite and hatred? I understand this post is for trolling. Some kid writes, then some kid responds and this cycle continues. But, someone must have had this original thought to type and post this and enjoy the upheaval, even when their syllabus and study load is allegedly so much.

Kid, dekho. I was introduced to law after reading Constitutional law in UPSC CSE preparation. Unlike lawyers who have others laws to understand, for us, Indian constitution has to be mugged. Vaise bhi UPSC aajkal interpretation level pe chali gyi hai. Till that time, it was unthinkable in my friend circle to take law or study for CLAT. Unthinkable. I would have been a pariah. No one in my extended friend group is a lawyer. All are Engineers. Once I did engineering I realized, I don't like it.

How hard is it to understand? I had no clue that some world beyond IIT exists. Now, let me answer some of your questions because of which you write some much again and again.

Q1. You get NLU tag without cracking CLAT.

No, we are not in this for the NLU tag. Actually, most of us are here for the good legal education which NLS can provide. For any engineer in India, any IIT>IIM ABCL, BITS Pilani, IISc > ISB H, FMS, XLRI, SRCC>other IIMs>LSR,MDI. That's it. For us, NLU tag has literally no value. No value. 0. Ask a Product Manager at Flipkart if he has heard of NLUs in his state. He will say no. Actually, Faculty of Delhi University is more well known to us as many who crack UPSC CSE, attend that college.

So, we are not in this for the tag. Bar 3y law students from buying your hoodie/shirt. I will support it.

Q2. You will steal our jobs.

A. Dekho, firstly, most people who come in the 3y course, actually have jobs. Maybe not earning 20-30 lakh per annum, or not working at McKinsey, but, they have good enough jobs, which when supplemented with a good MBA can earn 40-50 lakh in 3y. So, it is not that people who come for the 3y course will die if they don't practice Law.

B. I do agree that anyone who invests 3 years will want a placement and this will lead to more competition for the almost same number of jobs. But, there are 4 points -

- 1. These are private firms. They make their own decisions. No one, (maybe, except top party brass), dictates terms to them. Their HRs and hiring team won't exactly be swayed, no matter how much the VC advocates for the 3y admits. So, it is their own decisions.

- 2. Private firms don't care about you. For them, we all are - resources. Nothing more, nothing less. So, stop attaching so much of your self worth to them. I read about how the supposed happiest place on earth (Google HQ), shut off access to employee email accounts and sent a list to people who were laid off.

- 3. You came to this college on "supposed" merit. Then, why are you afraid now? People will take cognisance of your superior skills (which the 3y LLB students (according to you) might never have), and will recognize you.

- 4. Even if we do not get a law job, I will (plead a bit) and come back to my current job. I am not dependent on the Law placements for living my life. Of course, if I was placed, it would be a good application of my 3 years.

You know, what people realize after preparing for UPSC CSE? That the difference in gyan, reading ability, knowledge, ability to summarise and research content, is really not that much between the 501st rank and AIR 1. It has more to do with interview and some luck. This awareness increases humility. This only comes with experience.

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All institutions, all ideas evolve. IIM A Director has emphasized that slowly, PGPX (1y course) will replace the 2y Flagship PGP. So, should we proclaim that the 2y students are smarter than PGPX course students? No.

So, ideas evolve. The objective of IITs was to produce Engineers. Engineering means applied science. Hence, till last 5y, their undergrad was the flagship. They were not suppose to be too research driven. Now, the idea has shifted to become a full fledged research institute as Indian Govt. is flush with money. So, slowly Masters and PhD is also improving.

Similarly, India needs more quality lawyers, more jurists to support the 140 crore population. See the world Quality. Quality can be provided only by the NLUs and some other Central govt. institutes. So, for inclusive growth, and for building a nation which follows Constitutional morality in her decisions, more legally educated people are needed.

How is this a bad thing?

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Q3. What will my advice be to you?

No one was there to guide me when I started preparing for UPSC. I shitted here and then I shitted there. Wasted time doing mistakes after mistakes. My advice is that if you have so much free time, don't waste it on us. Spend time with yourself. The university, the nation, no one gives one hoot shit about you. Your fests don't mean a thing. Everyone will continue with their lives. NLUs will continue to get applications. Even more in their 3y course.

So, search for Sleepy Classes. Buy it's Rs. 12k full UPSC package and start preparing for UPSC CSE. Complete the prelims syllabus before your 5 years end. This way you will have an edge once you enter job market and think of cracking civil services. Remember, you won't be fighting people like us, you will be fighting IIT B and IIT Delhi top rankers. Do you really think the topper of your class who went to IIT was not capable enough to crack CLAT? He/She chose not to.

So, mug the content. Solve the Vision IAS test papers and ratofy the solutions. Be iron ready. Aage aapki marzi.

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Lastly, it takes guts to say no to a 1y MBA, leave your job, and sacrifice time to get a law degree later in life.

I will live my life. You will live yours. You will continue posting shit here and get some kicks, I will move on. The 3y students will move on. Your time, energy and emotions will be wasted which you could have used in reading Vision IAS current affairs magazine and later, serving lakhs of underprivileged communities through your ethical decisions.

Anyway, all the best! Aage aapki marzi. Continue posting shit here. I hope I have helped at least 1 person.

The Moot Court Committee is elated to announce that the team representing National Law University, Jodhpur has emerged as Winners at the 21st Willem C. Vis (East) International Commercial Arbitration Moot Court Competition, 2024 held at Hong Kong from 10-17th March, 2024. We are delighted to announce that they are the first team from the University to have won this competition!

The team, comprising Ms. Ananya Deshpande, Ms. Ananya Jaria, Ms. Disha Gandhi, Ms. Kavya Gupta, and Ms. Samiksha Lohia, also emerged as Winners of the Permanent Court of Arbitration Singapore Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Singapore, where Ms. Ananya Jaria won the Best Individual Oralist Award and Ms. Disha Gandhi won the Second Best Oralist Award. Additionally, the team also won the First Runners Up Award for the Best Claimant Memorandum at the AIAC – APAC Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, organised by the Asia International Arbitration Centre. Further, the team also emerged as Quarter Finalists (Round of 8) at the 13th Indian Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Jindal Global Law School Sonipat, Haryana.

The team was coached by Mr. Karan Himatsingka, Ms. Lahar Jain, Mr. Sarthak Malhotra, Mr. Akhil Chowdary Unnam, Ms Puloma Mukherjee, Ms. Simran Bherwani, and Ms. Vipashyana Hilsayan.

We congratulate the team on this outstanding performance!

The National Law School of India University (NLSIU), Bangalore, is deeply shocked and saddened by the sudden and unexpected demise of one of our students, Mr. Dhruv Jatin Thakkar.

Dhruv was a first year student of the B.A. LL.B programme and hailed from Mumbai. He was a warm and compassionate person, and a bright and diligent student, well-liked by his peers and faculty.

The NLS community stands in solidarity with his grieving family and friends in this period of deep sadness. The University staff are working closely with the authorities and extending all support to his family members. We request all members of the community to respect the privacy of the family at this time.

As a mark of respect, the University will suspend all classes for the remainder of the week. We request all members of the NLS community to come together for a condolence meeting in the Old Academic Quadrangle at 11AM on Friday 22nd March, 2024.

The University welfare support service and counselling services are available to anyone in the community who needs to reach out.

Sudhir Krishnaswamy Vice Chancellor

The top 7 colleges have almost identical placements, with NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, and NLUD being the ones to aim for. Even if you end up at GNLU, NLUJ, or NLIU, it should still be worthwhile. However, how can you be so sure that you are suited for corporate law, law school is very different from what students imagine it to be. Even within these institutions, you need to be in the top 10-20% to live a stress free life.

Hi! Sorry for the delay.

I have been swamped with extra work for the last few days and couldn't moderate at the usual pace. I suppose it's the same for other moderators too.

As regards any fixed time of the day when I moderate - I just do it whenever I find free time. It may be different for other mods.

Relax guys. It is not an impending disaster if one faculty member is leaving, even if he is widely considered to be among the best teachers in India for Constitutional Law and Legal Philosophy. He was publicly lobbying for FM to get a third term (which did not happen) and has an old connection with the present NLSIU VC. Let us look at the bright side. SKDR has gone for fresh faculty recruitments since taking over and has added more than 20 teachers in the last one year alone. Many of them are new to the profession and will eventually grow into decent academics. There are also some experienced hands who have come from other law schools. Let us work together to rebuild the institution, instead of ringing alarm bells every month.

First, orient them towards receiving feedback constructively. You could say, "we should review your work, and here's what I think... please understand that this is feedback about the work and not you" or something on similar lines.

Second, stick to feedback about work. No personal attacks.

Third. Direction. Create an actual path and learning schedule to improve them. Can't type? There are websites. Can't read? Read a book/newspaper everyday. Can't speak? Help them join a club.

This is a pivotal moment not just for the intern, but also for you. The impression they carry will remain etched for years, and will also become your market reputation. Take genuine interest in their growth, and they will help you grow.

Theres a feature in word.

Insert -> Text-> Quick Parts-> Document Property.

There are default headings which you cant change like COMPANY, TITLE, FAX.

I just inserted these wherever details change and then change the headings by inserting what i want them to insert. Like DT Name, DT Address, CIN, etc.

Hence changing in one place will reflect wherever youve inserted the document property insertion.

Its a pain setting up. But makes life easier in the long run.

If you are the kind of idiot who looks at CLAT rank of a student instead of their CV and performance while in law school, then that is a clear indication of the fact that you are not in the recruiting team of any top law firm in the country. Nobody can promise a job to any BSc student, just like nobody can promise a job to any BA student. If a student works hard in law school, focuses on academics and co-curricular activities and does the necessary internships showing a desire to learn, then they will be given a job. You come across as an existing student who is feeling insecure, that's all.

I don't think you need to really care about anything except your work. If you're good - that's what's going to matter ultimately. I know ppl who have 6 pack abs and give absolute dumbfucks complex. This is a reflection of their insecurities not yours. Next time someone calls you fat - request them to order you desserts to maintain that "fat" they're making fun of.

More power to you!

Cheers

Feel ▮▮▮ thinking about doing this for the rest of my life. Looking at spreadsheets and documents for hours and hours and hours in a day.

Only good things are family and friends, barely get time to pursue my hobbies, longing for the weekends like a dog and a bone..

What kind of life do we live? I believe in a higher power and I’m sure they pity the lives we have. This isn’t what they meant for us to do. Most days once I’m out of the office I can’t remember where I parked my car, was it on the 1st floor garage? No I parked there last week, why am I remembering that today? Probably because everyday is exactly the same. I still can’t find my car.

Slaving my life away and for what? So these rich assholes can keep getting richer, our bosses and their bosses will get a decent cut themselves, so they keep mum, bragging about how they got to where they are by slaving their youth away, acting like the sun gets closer the more you chase it but really all they were chasing was a dim lamp at midnight, too ashamed to admit they wasted their life away so they compensate by making us waste ours the exact same way.

How about a change of scenery, that would be nice..no, it’s near-impossible to move laterally abroad in this field. Be it a masters degree or headhunting a headhunter, nothing even came close to guaranteeing a chance abroad, not in this job. I knew this would be the case, but that didn’t stop me from pursuing this profession. I wanted to be different. I didn’t want to work in finance like all the other kids in my school.

It’s not too late, I know it can be worse, much worse. I’m switching professions, I’m getting that foreign MBA, regain some youth and maybe waste away working in retail for a bit, get yelled at by some old white woman, mostly because she hates the color of my skin. I think I’ll enjoy studying and working again, making connections till I graduate, starting this same bs cycle again but this time I’ll go much higher. Manager, senior manager, COO, CEO. Hell maybe I’ll even join the board, make the chairperson. Why stop there? I’ll start my own company. Maybe I’ll lose everything I own but maybe, just maybe I’ll win it all. And then they can all slave away for me. The cycle repeats but this time I’ll have a nice padded seat to sit on and handles to hold.

https://www.livemint.com/news/india/germany-permits-smoking-cannabis-in-public-but-makes-it-hard-to-acquire-check-20-countries-where-marijuana-is-legal-11708748288266.html

Your thoughts? The war on drugs is a failed American foreign policy experiment. Weed is already rampant in almost every single college campus in India, including all top NLUs.

On the contrary, we need to strengthen leftist activism within law schools. I would also replace subjects like company law, IPR and arbitration with Law and Poverty, Refugee Law, and Gender and Law. These subjects are more important for the nation. We need lawyers who serve the poor and oppressed, instead of oligarchs like Adani, Ambani, Birla and Jindal.

As you may have already heard or read, Mr. Fali S. Nariman is no more.

This leaves only a handful of his contemporaries who are still alive and practicing.

Given that this would perhaps be the last generation of legendary lawyers who rose up to this stature, I would like the audience to contribute with any of their anecdotes (good, bad, and ugly) which make these legends unique amongst the countless many.

The thread is not limited to celebrating life of Mr. Fali alone.

Request trolls and timepassers to stay away for the sake of creating one good trail of a conversation. Thanks.

You do you.

As a senior who came from a village into a well known private university, I share your sentiments. I didn’t indulge in hookups, alcohol, cigarettes, non-vegetarian food or smoking up and wasn’t constantly chasing accomplishments in college. But I also did not look down on any of the above. I enjoyed hanging out with people so I participated in organising committees. I looked for people who could enjoy sober lunches and dinner and good food in city restaurants - and asked generally in class if people want to join. I hung out with smokers and had chai while they smoked. I hung out with alcohol enthusiasts and had virgin mocktails and offered cocktail making skills. I had a gala time with a category of intellectuals while they smoked up. You don’t have to hookup if you don’t want it - and you may look for a stable relationship. I accepted people are different and come from different walks of life and emptied my notion of life to learn more about them and there lifestyles. Humans - especially lawyers are lonely creatures. Most are always happy to talks about themselves, provided you don’t make them feel like you are judging them.

Again - you do you. Tier 1 or local government colleges, all have the same environments - you just have a base of accompalished alumni’s to reach out, competitive and ambitious circle of batchmates and promise of decent orgs showing up on campus. If you want to sleep for 7 hours do that. If you do not want to dedicate all your time to different competitions - don’t. If you do not want to pursue a corporate job - don’t. If you want to just focus on academics and relax - do that. Your activities will impact only you and not anyone else.

Only one thing you need to understand and imbibe. Make efforts in anything you finally decide to pursue and strive for excellence in that. You are in India (law school is irrelevant), and you will do fine if you decide to not put in effort or put in effort. But efforts will set you apart - in personal and professional life.

I had a fun college life - no moots, debates, ADR or papers only events and academics. I am doing as well as anyone in my year from best universities. A lot of factors matter in life - once you identify a problem, look for a solution.

I'm interning with the IBC team of a boutique law firm and I've just realised that for whatever reason, whenever I'm given a research assignment; i somehow end up finding out the appropriate judgement through Google much faster than using any of the Legal Databases. Am I just bad at using SCC/Lexis Nexis or is this a function of the practice area where a lot of NCLT/NCLAT Judgements can directly be accessed via Google?

Today, I came across this editorial in The Hindu, and I disagreed with a lot of it, so I thought of getting opinions from this community.

The article in questions: https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/an-intervention-that-will-help-strengthen-legal-education/article67850437.ece

Some questions based on this article, from my perspective as an assistant prof at a small, private, law school in the South:

1) How bad is the regulation by the Bar Council of India (BCI), and is poor regulation the primary reason behind the prevalence of low-quality law schools in India? Or is it merely that the majority of students in smaller, lesser-known law schools lack a specific interest in law, enrolling primarily for the ease of obtaining a graduation degree, often a minimum requirement for many government jobs? So who is really to blame for the poor quality of indian law schools, the BCI or the students who have no interest in holding their institutions and professors to account.

2) Is the call for increased emphasis on 'research' in law schools, beyond Tier 1 NLUs, JGLS necessary? Considering that a vast majority of law school students aspire to work as in-house lawyers, practice as litigators, or join the government as civil servants, how beneficial is it to impose extensive 'research' requirements on these students? Furthermore, in my experience, 'research' at most law schools in India is little more than copying from already published articles on the topic and paraphrasing using chatgpt.

Why I believe more research must be conducted by Tier 1 NLUs, JGLS, etc is solely because of necessity; I do believe that legal research is important, and thus, some law schools have to carry it out. So, why not promote it primarily in the best law schools to maximize the efficiency of legal education as a whole?

PS: I am not implying that students from non-Tier 1 law schools cannot conduct valuable research; they most certainly can. What I am questioning is the productivity of spending money to sponsor research in those NLUs when better results can likely be achieved elsewhere. Of course, the argument of dispersing funds and therefore academic quality is valid, as most states would want their NLUs to provide good opportunities for their students.

I remember when I was in school, often during periods when class was cancelled, I would sit in class and daydream. Slide into my own world. Or maybe think of about some incident that had happened and rewind it in my brain to rethink how else I could have handled it.

In school/ colleges, “daydreaming” is looked down upon as it’s considered a waste of time. Seniors considered that maybe in that time the student could get so much more done. Hustle and don’t waste a single moment was the common refrain.

Since joining a law firm - your mind is constantly racing - there’s hardly any time to day dream. Instead it is replaced with stress, anxiety,

and a constant need to achieve efficiency in work.

Do you ever think - maybe our minds need a period of rest, when we can just be and not think about getting some work done. Maybe daydreaming is good for our mental health?

Maybe daydreaming wasn’t a bad thing after all?

As a first generation university degree holder from a primarily agricultural family from Punjab that most of you believe to be full of rich farmers I can say this -

1. On average a farming household makes Rs. 10000 per month per acre.

2. Around nine-tenths of farmers hold less than 4 acres of land in the country. In monetary terms, around Rs. 40000 per month.

3. This amount is not available monthly as the money only comes in at the end of a crop cycle.

4. With an average crop cycle of 4 months, the majority of the farmers make Rs. 1,60,000.

5. This amount is not really ‘income.’ It is revenue generated.

6. Part of it is reinvested in procuring seeds for the next cycle.

7. Another part of it goes towards paying ‘farm help.’ This is needed, at a minimum, to quickly reap the crop upon ripening and get it to the market before any unseasonal rain destroys it. Usually, the ‘help’ is in form of extra hands. Sometimes, combine harvesting machines.

8. Another part of the revenue generated goes towards repaying loans on things like tractors or submersible pumps (needed to irrigate the crop). These are loans that are occasionally waived by governments. However, till they are we do end up accounting for them from our revenue.

9. Another part of the revenue is used towards getting pesticides needed to keep the crop healthy over the next cycle. These are ones that are subsidized. But, we do pay for the part which isn’t subsidized.

10. Having removed all these costs from the revenue of Rs. 1,60,000 for every 4 month cycle, we are left with the ‘income’. This is not a single person’s salary like the one you guys get. This is the household’s income. The Indian government pegs it at 4 people.

11. Ab woh 80000/90000 per 4 months for 4 people comes to an income of around Rs. 5000/6000 per person per month. Kya dein isme se?

12. Lathi khaane ke baad doctor ka kharach isi mein se nikalta hai.

13. Namak, cheeni aur tel si basic cheez bhi yahin se aati hai.

14. Gai bhains ka kharacha bhi yahin se. If we don’t keep and tend to them, then milk and milk products ki cost padti hai.

15. My parents saved so much out of this to send to university. Couldn’t go a NLU like most of you because we never had the means to pay for it.

Bahut mehnat se iss zindagi bahar nikaala hai parents ne kyunki koi future nahin hai. Aur aap mein kuch isse ‘best career option’ samajhte ho. Sharam karo ki apne desh ke kisaan aur kisaani ke baare mein itna kam malum aur itni choti soch rakhte ho.

Dear Students,

I hope this email finds you well.

In light of the recent events that transpired on the University campus, it is imperative to understand the distinction between, being politically aware – i.e., knowing, reading, and understanding your politics, and doing politics – i.e., actively taking steps to propagate your political ideology in a way which is harmful to the social environment and the institutional values. Consequently, while students are encouraged to educate themselves vis-à-vis social, political and cultural issues, exhibiting your beliefs in any manner which is detrimental to the beliefs of others is absolutely prohibited. This is essential to fully take advantage of the egalitarian spaces made available on the University campus, which are meant to cater to the entire marketplace of ideas, and not to a few ideologies.

While JGU prides itself as an Institution of Eminence for providing safe academic spaces, at the same time we cannot ignore the inherent duty that this casts upon the JGU community for using such spaces in a dignified and responsible manner. This implies that while the academic spaces within JGU celebrate the right to free speech and expression, one cannot turn a blind eye towards the reasonable restrictions that must be upheld to ensure that the freedom of others is not violated. In this light, since its inception, the JGU administration has consciously kept the University space absolutely apolitical to cater to neutral academic discussions that explore all sides of an issue / debate(s).

In this regard, please note that:

1. Students are prohibited from officially associating the University with any political organization, even if such student(s) may be part of these organizations in their personal capacity. This is in sync with the fact that the University would not exercise any control over the actions of its students in their personal capacity, however, it is advisable that students exercise discretion and duty of care while they are within the University campus;

2. Students are prohibited from associating themselves with unofficial and unrecognized organizations seeking to do politics on the University campus, like the Safdar Hashmi Reading Circle, the Revolutionary Students League, and other similar student-groups. Consequently, if students wish to start a society, or student-run groups, then they must seek the approval of the relevant University authority;

3. Students organizing public events, including, but not limited to, public discussions, lectures, reading circles, and audio-visual exhibitions, would have an inherent responsibility of ensuring that they (a) take adequate precautions, including permission from the relevant University authority, to conduct such an event, and (b) do not conduct themselves in a manner that is derogatory of the personhood and participation rights of other University stakeholders, and undermines the safety and tranquillity on the University campus; and

4. Students are prohibited from publicly distributing and/or affixing posters, or other written media, that may be interpreted as disruptive of the safety and tranquillity of the University Campus. Accordingly, it is advisable that students get their posters, or other written media, vetted by the relevant University authority, before making it publicly accessible.

It goes without saying that any contravention of these regulations would be treated as a violation of the JGU Code of Conduct for students (“Code of Conduct”), and the concerned students would face appropriate disciplinary action under Clause 28 of the Code of Conduct.

Additionally, the violation of these regulations, in certain cases, may also constitute the violation of the law of the land, including the Indian Penal Code, 1860, and other laws preventing unlawful activities. It is crucial for the students to understand that in case they end up violating the law of the land, it would be difficult for the University authorities to provide any assistance to such students. Consequently, it is of paramount importance that the students understand the objective behind these regulations, and follow them diligently to ensure their own personal safety.

We seek your support in safeguarding and upholding the core institutional values of JGU. Thanking you for your assistance and cooperation.

Regards,

(Name redacted due to legally india policy.)

Brother there are examples of NLU students graduating at 26 or 27. Some great answers have been written on legallyindia.com by them. I suggest please google those answers by relevant keywords and decide for yourself. Don't listen to people doing age shaming on this thread. There are multiple factors at play here.

Graduating at 26 and making it to a T1 law firm is still much better than someone who bothered about age and graduated pristine young at 23 but from a Tier 3 local law school and still after 4 years not being able to get into a T1 law firm or get any good job for that matter. There are several factors at play, I suggest you research and find what is most applicable in your scenario. Exceptionally talented people with the right internships and right contacts can make it into T1 even if they are from local law schools.

Nope, brother. It is not economically viable for a salaried law firm partner to buy a 50 lakh car. In a city like Mumbai, 12 years PQE gives you the opportunity to save a corpus of 1.5 crores at max, provided you compromise a lot on luxurious lifestyle and foreign vacations. Spending 50 lakhs from that savings is utterly stupid and beyond recovery in a place like Mumbai where you’ll have family responsibilities and a home to purchase. Most salaried partners start at 80LPA which comes down to around 65-70LPA post taxes which is not enough to cover the EMI payments for such cars. Therefore, based on the general trend in lawfirms, Creta/Seltos/Verna is the most preferred choice among salaried partners with few exceptions going for a higher segment like Harrier, XUV, Thar. It is only the equity partners who can barely manage to afford an entry-level luxury car. It is not a norm in lawfirms for partners to drive around in luxury cars. Sorry to burst your bubble kids.

Using someone else’s template is a bad idea, given the reason that you have to tailor your mail according to the requirements of each firm. But, still, you can follow this structure for drafting your mail -

Dear XYZ Sir,

[Greet the recipient]

[Introduce yourself. Specify the team, location and dates for the internship]

[Give reasons as to why you are applying in the team/firm and what you like about the team/firm. Specify a publication by the partner or a deal that they have worked.]

[Next, talk about how your experiences is fit for the internship. Talk about your previous internships, moots & publications that are relevant for the position you are seeking.]

[Conclude by saying you are hoping to work and contribute to their team]

This, and instead of thinking of it like a grilling session, treat it as you would treat a conversation about something you like and are well informed about.

When you don't know something at all, try reasoning it from first principles. Be frank. Tell the judges that you are not able to assist them with the exact authority on the issue at that moment. Then tell them what you think the answer should be and explain your reasoning.

Try not to be too evasive. Some people don't like it and will then try and pin you down till they make you admit that you don't know the answer.

You don't have to sound aggressive or dominant. Try and sound sure, certain, and self-assured. For that, anticipate lines of questioning like the above comment advises.

I really got into preparing a full speech after doing a few moots. Of course, I never read out from the speech but it helped to have a clear frame of reference in mind of what the rest of my speech looks like. This was a personal preference and might not work for you. All the best!

My client had me working non-stop for over 10 days on a 100-page NCLT Oppression and Mismanagement Petition (which is being filed by another lawyer), and I billed him INR 2 lakhs for the work. This client and I must have clocked at least 7 all-nighters together- to pull this off. I also handled another case, got a good order, and charged 35K. Despite daily legal advice calls (which come to this date), I've only been reimbursed expenses and received 20K last Saturday for my services. Have been short-paid by over INR 2.10 Lakhs. It's demoralizing. How do I talk to my neighbor-client about this, and keep things friendly?

I am Ezhava (currently an OBC caste). And Ezhavas technically fall within ambit of Dalits. Dalits in this context means outcastes. In most of India, outcastes still earned extremely badly and had very low social representation at time of Mandal Commision. Hence most outcastes were legally classified as SCs.

However in Kerala, the financial status of Ezhavas rose up because of various factors including mass social reformation movements, missionary education, legal reforms opening up newer business avenues, etc. And finally when we got our first CM( R.Shankar) from the community, we were declassified from SC and made into OBCs.

Hi - really hard to have a conversation on this forum. Please email. My contact details are on Linkedin. Brief responses:

1. Hiring process: Hiring is through internships. I'm taking one or two interns a month. They work with me closely and are selected on the basis of a technical round. All internships are assessment internships. All internships are eligible to a stipend (see above). That being said, I'm not planning to hire in huge numbers (only hiring 2 freshers in 2024, for eg.) so there's a one in 12 chance (maybe less than that) that internships will convert.

2. Pay Scale: 20% discount to Tier 1 scales. We are in the process of mapping what that means based on LI and other data. Let's speak - I recognise the importance of pay transparency so there are no unwelcome questions/ interventions.

3. Hiring for 2025: Yes

4. Long-term interns: Not sure. Let's speak.

hi mostly it would be cv based.

1. but do read arbitration laws of the place you are going to be based out of for eg. Singapore/ London (seat of the jurisdiction matters, they wont really ask but just to have a better understanding)

2. know arbitration principles - separability/ competence competence, etc.

3. study the arbitration act fully - you can watch youtube videos on the same.

4. read on landmark judgment - group co, stamping of arbitral award

5. make a word doc and summarize your understanding of these concepts there for easy remembrance.

6. for better intellectual acumen/ understanding you can also watch SIAC videos and similarly other videos of law firm partners relating to arbitration.

7. subscribe to arbitration newsletters

8. can follow/ read kluwer arbitration blog and other blogs of similar stature, etc.

Thanks

Thanks folks :-) Just to set some stuff straight:

1. Yes I have left AZB.

2. Yes I am setting up independently and will be focusing on international tax and private client work going forward.

3. Yes I am actively looking to hire, particularly if you love direct tax or are good generalists. Interns with the above profile are welcome also, but I’m only taking one or two a month. Feel free to look me up on LinkedIn for contact information + ask folks who’ve worked with me before if you’d like feedback. I’d like to think I run happy teams.

4. I’m currently pegging pay scales at a 20% discount to Tier 1 scales and interns get a 10K stipend per month. Again, pls ask if you’d like to know. Pay related questions are important and I’m happy to be upfront about them.

Mods, please make sure to clear this and feel free to get in touch if you need to verify that it’s me. Thx

Surprised to see no discussion on LI about this? This place seems to be only concerned with with salary and law firm talks nowadays. Lets see how well can LI engage discussions on actual law.

https://www.livelaw.in/top-stories/bombay-high-court-judgment-it-amendment-rules-2023-social-media-fake-news-fact-checking-unit-kunal-kamra-vs-union-of-india-248120?infinitescroll=1

To give some context, I don’t hate Kolkata but again at the same time I don’t feel that there is a huge difference in terms of placements between these two colleges. Plus my father is a well-experienced lawyer in the Bombay high court and has good contact with certain tier-2 law firms in the Mumbai circle. Please help me get over this dilemma. I know it’s selfish to ask the moderator to feature this over all other posts, but after cracking nujs I am still figuring out what to do. Kindly help.

The duty of a judge in the ICJ is not to parrot the foreign policy adopted by his parent country. That's what diplomats are there for. People who follow this government blindly have a stroke anytime someone refuses to tow the party line, even if that happens in course of duty.

You should be very very proud of yourself! Whether you make it to NLS to NLU Sonipat, it’s just a college- and it depends on what you make of it. You have spent a lot of time working hard on CLAT and have made it into an NLU, you don’t have to compare yourself with anyone else except your old self. Be proud of your hard work.

All the best! Hope to see you in the legal circuit soon.

Please mark as trollist and contested. No mass registrations have been threatened in the written resolution drafted. See the resolution at: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1OnaGLAU9t_o6l0IUPsu61WrJlc3HxHEESr0DE11xrZ0/edit?usp=sharing

Link: https://twitter.com/barandbench/status/1745706451509895599?s=20

(Admin, in light of some really stupid stuff that is posted on the site on a daily basis, please let us know why is this not being posted? It is for the community to accept, not accept or critique a post and not by you. We should celebrate small law school victories, and this is no one less than CJI. You can remove the bracketed part of course.)

Mid-July is the time for GNLU, NUJS and NLUJ. Okay now see, you don’t have to wait much after the fifth list as Some nlus do update their rank on websites (like NLIU, HNLU) and some websites don’t (Like NUJS, MNLU). Either way, you will get a mail offer to pay the amount within a very small amount of time. So y’all will join college anyway by august.

Hi, so barring all the other contests that have already started, yes for NRI- go for NLUJ with close eyes. You can try out NLIU too as the fee will be less there but well NLUJ is dope. And as for the NRI rankings this year, you have a good chance of getting in the first or the second list itself on May. But if you take a general college, then there’s no problem anyway. Stick with it. All the best for NLUJ

First of all, no one is gonna downvote you. Secondly you will aaram se get into all of these if your NRI-S rank is within 550. You have it around 200-300s maybe. So yes. In vacancies toh kaafi logo ko milta hein.

Now time for the main talk, NLUJ as a NRI-S category will be much better. The fee is the least plus you have two instalments to pay the amount. Nujs NRI-S honestly won’t be that good. Being from the college itself, if you are getting a seat here as a general candidate then it might have made sense. GNLU is a good option after NLUJ.

Now, if you are availing loan, then I am sorry, you should avoid this NRI-S category. Because the amount is humongous (another reason to avoid nujs and gnlu). Take whatever general NLU you are getting and retake clat if it makes sense. You may find it difficult to even repay your loans. And I am not talking about 2-3 years. It may sound harsh but this is the reality. In any year, if you have to start the loan, then you are in danger. Avoid.

Can we please take a step back and try to make this forum a little bit useful instead of the hundreds of useless hateful and toxic comments flooding the page?

1. Nobody other than someone who is studying in a particular law school is aware of the pluses and minuses of the place, nor any clear knowledge about how its faculty are. Not even the specifics about the placement scene anymore, since most law schools don't release any official stats. At the most, they can have a general, vague idea. Therefore, people may talk about the good points of their own universities when someone asks for info. Not about how it is better than anyplace else, because they do not, simple. Most of the time, the posts are seeking info. So provide them with that, not random opinion. Talk about moots won, jobs secured, research project deets that are not readily available, hostel scenes, but keep it to your own uni for God's sake. You are not an expert on others, not even you have 'supposedly' heard about them from your friends. Let those friends talk about their own place, I am sure people from every university visits this forum occasionally.

2. These X NLU v. Y NLU posts are inane. Of course, some of them are written by CLAT aspirants genuinely trying to reach a decision. In that case, they need facts, not your conjecture. Quit turning these into a measuring contest.

3. Equally stupid are these X job v. Y job superiority posts. They serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever other than for trolls stroking themselves. If adult readers cannot understand that one cannot and should not compare a law firm job with a judiciary post, or an UPSC job with a management post, then they have got no business studying law or any professional discipline.

4. The trolls who keep egging readers to quit law and do MBA should just leave this place and frequent MBA forums instead. This is Legally India, not Managing India, last we all checked.

5. There is hardly any deal that is discussed here anymore, legal industry developments, issues about which law students can present a united front, basically, anything useful. Such a colossal waste of potential!

6. Even the political matters that are discussed are about chest thumping between Bhakts, Libs and Wokes and other -ism followers, rather than measured and intelligent discussion. Half of those are baits and propaganda anyway.

Mods and Admin, please either sequester the posts based on category even if you want to allow the drivel mentioned above, so that the few remaining readers who wish to use this forum to help people genuinely needing it can do so, or else just admit that this is just a troll infested dungheap now.

Hello OP, I wouldn't call myself the best person to give advice on this but here's what I have learnt from one of the kindest mentor I had the opportunity to intern under :

1.Case laws should be as recent as possible and ideally the research Q / statement should be affirmed by the SC or HC of the state you are working in, if not the same state then 3-4 HCs affirming the point is sufficient.

2. Coming to finding case laws, it takes time tobecome good at finding relevant and strong case laws in a short span of time but with practice you'll be good to go.

1.Start by reading up on the basic law surrounding the proposition in case you aren't familiar with the same and then start by typing out the research statement in the form of a question. You'll find articles on the sub topic where you are likely to find some case relevant to you. Eg (sorry for the basic example) : Research proposition is : A mentally insane person cannot be charged with murder. Figure out the law in place (IPC). Next, type can an insane person be charged for a crime - you'll get articles on insanity as a defence and subsequently find case laws that were referred to in the article. Put that one case law on SCC, ensure it hasn't been overruled and you'll be able to find more cases affirming the case law as well.

3. You can also try directly typing the research statement on manupatra / SCC / Indian Kanoon and find something in case you are lucky. Although with Indian kanoon ofc, cross check the case in SCC and never link the Indian Kanoon case when passing on their research.

4. If no avail, you can refer to commentaries on the particular law and find cases.

5. Another place is to read the submissions made by the advocates in a judgment of a case related to your provision. You will most likely get a few case laws used by either side to prove the point that you are trying to make.

Bhai dekh, 2 kaam kar-

1. NLS nikal le. You might, might get into good law firms and then earn money. Very difficult (around 40 Open seats for General Non Karnataka Male). I don't think DU LLB has any placements. It is good, but, job-wise, I don't think so. Most people who are there are actually preparing for CSE and do it side by side.

2. MPP in USA me ghus ja. Waha pe 1st year ke baad, top univ me dual degree ka bhi option aata hai. But, give the LSAT before hand. It is comparatively easier, as they have to take some dual degree people. JD Degree is valid in India (I think).

3. NLU O also has started their 3y program. Apply there.

Dream route -

4. J-PAL type (under Prof Esther Duflo or Prof Abhijit Banerjee) evidence-based policy making or Yale Inclusion Economics India centre me ghus ja. Kaam kar 5y. Rise through the ranks. Get good recommendations from foreign Profs (Yale has Stanford Profs too). Now apply to Harvard Kennedy School. Get in. Now after 1st year apply to Dual Degree in law.

And finally become a Harvard JD wala Lawyer. Some people from DU have done it. Search on Linkedin, HLS, HKS.

We keep them at bay. We don't include them in most of the things. We will never give position of responsibility to them in any student run committee. Though our VC will push us to give them positions and include them, they cannot get it due to technicalities involved. For e.g., to be a convenor of any society you need 4 years of experience, and we don't appoint anyone as convenor in their final year. LLB peeps will have at best 2 years of experience.

We have created a tactic agreement among ourselves (5 year UG course) to shun them off diplomatically and never let them feel the same. Saanp bhi kar jaayega, aur laathi bhi nhi tutegi.

Regarding placement, our college can't even place people from 5 year batch properly, 3 year is a distant dream.

Moreover, most of these 3 year chaps are stupid at core, they have nothing in their academic life and have pathetic inter-personal skills, so they themselves can't survive the competition in placements from 5 year UG course.

- A final year NLUOite.

NLUs/Stephen's/SRCC/IIMs/IITs are not "good" because they have exceptional faculty, infrastructure, or resources. It's only because they take in filtered students who are likely to do well even without the university. That's precisely how selectivity helps them retain their brand value. Network is all that matters in this case. Mr. Shamnad Basheer too had discussed this aspect in one of his lectures on YouTube.

Ashoka recently got a ₹250 crore donation. It has done what none of the state NLUs can do, and yet our NLU fanboys and girls on this platform find excuses on why state NLUs cannot do that, and how Ashoka is leveraging its connections to get such donations. The fanboys and girls will just not accept that state NLUs are simply unable to do well and the NLUs' best days are behind them, their downslide has already begun.

I recently answered this in a thread last week I guess. Oh yeah the thread is there already above. Go blindly for nuals. NRI-S won’t be worth it for NLUJ. Trust me. If your plan is to do corporate for five years especially, then nuals will be anyway satisfying cause the corporate placement is good there too.

Since this thread has not been closed yet, I hope my answer is published. You have to understand that by May all the colleges take your NRIS docs and verify your application. The merit list of NLUJ shows the list till 1445. But in reality a lot of folks can’t end up affording the seats/ or their application gets rejected, plus they just don’t want it- so the seat passes on. If you verified yourself in the merit list, then you would get a mail which is easily the most transparent process. To save time and expedite the admission process (so that candidates start classes before the deadline), colleges start offering the seats to the candidate next in the list and don’t update them at the same time. Some colleges do. Like NLIU. Like HNLU. Even MNLU Mumbai didn’t update their list last year. What happened? They launched a vacancy notification in October. Last year a NRI domicile candidate got till 5.5 k in nujs in the merit list itself. So there was no vacancy notification. NLUJ closed till 3k. What my point is that don’t solely base your hopes on the website list. Colleges at the end just don’t update their respective lists. And it’s not only case of NRI-S rankings, it happens in case of general seats too. They may mail you and can update later.

You will of course learn on the job. I am a junior practicing lawyer and am intimidated by the more senior members of the bar. The only way to learn is to start arguing- whenever an opportunity arises and however scary it seems. You don't need to land significant cases to learn court craft. Arguing a basic surrender application, a transfer petition or a simple notice/ admission matter would be a good starting point. Make contacts with other lawyers, college seniors and their friends. A lot of lawyers actually like allowing junior lawyers to argue their low-stake matters (without any monetary incentives at times). Also, when you are a younger member of the bar, the judges are also more likely to give you more leeway. Every time you see good senior and even younger lawyers argue, see how they navigate the bench and answer questions. If you choose to go into litigation you will get this opportunity naturally. The most important skill for any practicing lawyer is the ability to read a bench- which can only come over time. Knowledge and technical expertise on the other hand are a life-long learning thing- which can't be taught be seeing others argue. In any case, most people learn these skills over time. It is up to you, how willing you are to learn them. Best of luck!

Being a dropper myself, I understand the circumstances, situations and self conflict one has to go through sometimes in facing this exam. It's not all flowers and rainbows as some make it seem. It is completely okay if you are a 1,2 or 3 year dropper if it something you're really passionate about and care to achieve. The gap years will teach you a lot, building a resume and interning is not something we have the resources or the best insight to look at this stage in life. So it is totally fine to be a dropper. You are doing great and you will fare well.

Wishing everyone on this forum, a Happy New Year. I know this may be tough, it may be impossible, it may seem difficult. But remember, this is life. There will be more downs than up. There will be more failures than success.

Don't surrender yourself around people who treat you badly. Know your worth. You are smart, believe it. You are strong, believe it. You are worth it, believe it. Just keep doing what makes you passionate. What makes you happy, do it. People are pathetic, they once dreamt of things and failed to achieve it and therefore discourage you. Yet you have to realise you are not them, you will succeed. You will overcome all the challenges in front of you. It's cause you believe in you.

Things maybe tough today. With studies, jobs, work, family, relationships. But believe in yourself. You will get through them. Just remember to have your set of morals and follow them to the T. Stay true to your standards that you've set for yourself.

Hope this year you give your best, don't worry about the rest. As long as you know you're giving your best, you should not fret, keep moving on and push yourself better than the limit.

Love only three things this year. I, me and myself !

Let's help each other to be a better version of ourselves. Peace out ✌🏽

I recently secured a PPO at a good law firm. My advice to you is as follows-

1. Always be dressed perfectly. Don’t look too nerdy as well. It is psychological that people want to talk more to people who dress nicely but not to those who wear blazers and shit to office.

2. Don’t act like a know-it-all kid. If you don’t know how to do a certain task assigned to you, it’s better to ask your assignor right there and then.

3. Make your expectations clear from day 1. If you’re looking for a call-back and a possible future, make it clear to the firm and ask them what all do they expect from you.

4. Always ask for deadlines whenever getting work from someone and turn the work in before the hard deadline.

5. Don’t be creepy to anyone or trying to be extra friendly to your superiors.

6. Don’t be too much on your phone in the office, scrolling reels or playing games. If you’re free then ask for work from everyone and even if no one gives it to you, read a book from the library.

1. General Banking - This shall include term loan facilitation advisory, due diligence and consortium financing exercises which shall also include 2, 3, 4 and 5; since its a broad umbrella which consists of everything under the sun. Most of the firms have demarcations between GB teams and PF teams, so choose your whatever fits your needs (margins in GB teams are very high unlike PF ones).

2. Project Finance - This shall include churning out O&M agreements, markups on high yield loans for construction, port docketing diligence, seeking regulatory approvals, stressed asset acquisitions and real estate documentation. To outperform in this space, knowledge on real estate and finance shall be of utmost importance. Since very few firms put in quality work with very low margins, avoid it.

3. Fintech - DPDP compliance with specialized financial products of Banks/Fintechs/others and doing filing work for exemptions/mandatory disclosures, vetting joint ventures with technology companies and setting up privacy policy structures from time to time. Margins in this space is high because of a lot of foreign investment into financial companies to set up new schemes/products/credit facilities every now and then. Understanding the interplay between finance and tech will be deemed essential and margins are high in this space.

4. Debt Capital Markets - Although mundane and primarily focus would be on NCD/bond issuances & S4A offerings. The margin involved is very less and not a lot of firms are doing quality work. Thus, it can be avoided from a long term growth perspective.

5. Restructuring - This will include pre litigation and mid litigation advisory on high stake insolvency cases, arbitrations involving recovery of solvency proceeds and debt financing work for structuring the overall capital of companies. Very very low margin and can be avoided from a long term growth perspective.

Hope this adds weight to your question at hand, best of luck!

Is this for real? That's insane, why don't more NLUs adopt this? 15k will make a massive change to a new litigator. It'll at least cover rent. My first year of litigation had to be fully parent sponsored and I know many talented batchmates who didn't have that privilege. Kudos to GNLU

Mods see an obfuscated version of the IP addresses. See here for more details: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/295300-is-legally-india-truly-anonymous#comment-295578

Hi, kindly check the NLU-D website regularly for these basic updates. Kindly resort to this website if there are any further complications. The AILET website is extremely organised/each and every aspect is discussed in full detail, so please don’t spam the site.

https://nationallawuniversitydelhi.in/

There you go and yes congratulations!

Do you sometimes feel that you could have gone the other way of writing the JEE/NEET or a UG followed up by an MBA or something else or are you content with what you took up on your sleeves? Are there days when you feel done with your cubicle? If yes, how do you keep going?

*No monetary talks

I would like to start a thread asking honest opinions, suggestions and recommendations from seniors in the legal profession. Be it practising advocates, founders of chambers, law firm partners and associates, academicians and other experts.

I am writing this especially for graduates from 2022 and 2023 batches (but I hope it helps future batches as well). Being a member of this group and finding myself dissatisfied with how I am doing career wise, I have seen my peers also find themselves in vicious circle of career dissatisfaction. While some are still struggling to start with a stable role, many are headed to large urban places for litigation and law firms jobs. Others are continuing with their judiciary exam preparations and many more say that they would go for Masters. On the obvious part, mental stress, working hours, no good pay and feeling of being disconnected to family run through every answer. While my schoolmates in other professions also continue to survive the journey, they sing the similar song (though many not explicitly say it) that the discontent with their current position is something that haunt them.

Dear Seniors, what would be some positive things that you would like to say to cheer us up. How do we shed our impatience, get going with the uncertainties around us, assimilate and acclimatise more fluidly at workplace and become more caring, responsible and composite towards not just our near ones but people of various backgrounds around us.

They say these are challenging times to be on the planet, with so much going on. And you all have sailed through such challenges and have a knack of dealing with it. Please throw us some light, vent liveliness and walk us through your journey.

The floor is all yours!!

1) You have Laxmi Hotel, Moodee Cafe, Noksh Cafe among other right outside the campus gate.

SDL is like a wedding venue with a pool, most of the alcohol parties are organised there only.

Nearest Market area is Mandore roughly 1Km from the campus gate, you can utilise the campus shuttle bus, Auto or the City Bus to reach there, we have a place called Mandore Garden where you can hang out.

People typically venture into the city to hang out as most of the good cafes and restaurants are there only, roughly 10km from the college. (Old City and Sardarpura)

2) The schedule is hectic, there have been days where I had 10 days of continuous tests and assignments back to back, but it is manageable you will get used to it.

The pattern is roughly like this per law subject:

4 Continuous Assessments along with a CRE (Moot) a project/midterms and a final end-term.

I have noticed changes with the arrival of the new VC, it has roughly been 2-3 months since her arrival, let's give her some time to see the complete results, but one thing is for sure she is much better than Poonam Pradhan Saxena.

3) I would recommend you prefer BBA LLB as BA faculty marks very badly, especially the History faculty, granted the BBA faculty is more strict but the mark disparity is very clear.

As you study BA/BBA till the third year choose wisely as a wrong stream selection will make your life a lot harder.

4) The ASLC has a mentorship program where each fresher receives a mentor from a pool of volunteer 3-5th Year students.

Ragging (As some of my peers like to refer it as Positive Interaction) is quite common and something which the university turns a blind eye to (atleast the Poonam Pradhan Saxena era administration) you can definitely avoid the same just takes a little effort.

But there are some stupid rules created like you cannot walk on the grass, not wear shorts and not hangout in places near the campus etc.(I personally did not follow even a single one, you may choose to follow or not follow the same)

Kids please realise that you can be traced very very easily if you provide these many variables in your post.

This thread is already going around on WhatsApp groups and if the information is true it will not be long before it reaches the dramatis personae.

The kid is b/o 24 and unplaced, @mod pls redact some details from the og post, for the sake of their job.

Lastly, what sort of a fucked up person you need to be to ask an intern out when there is such a crazy power differential.

I have kept my preferences in this order. There will be vacant rounds as well. Kindly help me choose out a better option among these two…please

I want y’all to drop opinions based upon placements, foreign exposure and litigation. Mods please mark this thread featured, so as to gain attention. I really need urgent help

Lawyers who are now partners (made partnership recently) who prioritised work over everything else (friends, family, hobbies, exercise and sleep). Do you regret anything? Is it worth putting work over everything else for the first 10 years of your career? Does your personal life recover from the 10 years of de-prioritisation, or given your success, does it matter if your personal life doesn't recover? What does life look like at say, 35 when you place work over everything else in your 20s? Looking for views from people on both sides. Sorry about the rambling question. Bad day.

Ladies and gentlemen, since we are not having a leaderboard anytime soon from LI (and it’s mods), I have decided to start a comparative discussion and series on several tier-1 NLUs and top private universities. This will be a healthy comparative series and it will follow a deliberation on usually two colleges to explore the ‘FUN’ banter. Kindly keep this space non-toxic and the every comparative series will have the code-name ‘The tier-1’ saga in it. To avoid repetition and hatred, a discussion/comparison will be conducted only once a week. This will keep the competitive attitude among tier-1 colleges alive in LI and will also maintain this saga’s anonymous nature.

Mods kindly feature it.

Best way to learn fintech is to reverse engineer it.

Try out fintech apps read about financial services companies their business, and try to understand how they are doing what they are doing. Some questions to think about, these are just off the cuff.

1. Do they need a license to do this, or is this a partnership with a regulated entity?

2. Why do they need my OTP here?

3. Why do they need to KYC? Why is my Aadhar OTP not enough KYC? Basically try to think in terms of friction point the company will not want to do 1 bit more than it has to under law, so if you see any friction, in terms of OTP/KYC/Account Verification/Disclaimer/Disclosure, it is probably required by regulation and you should try to understand where does it originate from.

4. Some random questions why does this crypto exchange not support crypto withdrawals?

5. Why are there different type of banks what is the difference between cooperative & SFBs?

6. What is the difference between Payment Gateway and Payment Aggregator?

7. How does UPI work? Who is NPCI? What is a PSP/TPAP? What is PPI on UPI?

8. How does Mutual Fund Investments work? What is a Mutual Fund Distributor? What is an Investment Adviser/ Portfolio Manager? You can repeat this for each sectoral regulator (IRDAI, PFRDA, RBI (big daddy), SEBI, IBBI) pick up all the types of licenses they issue and try to understand the what, why and how.

The second best way is to read up on all major fintech issues/debates of the last decade and read and understand the regulation around that topic, at that day and as it stands today. For example FLDG , Digital Lending Guidelines, Payment Gateways-Chinese Loan Scams, Crypto-Chinese Loan Scams, Credit on PPI (Slice Shutdown), RBI hesitance in granting Universal Banking License/PA License (Congrats to Razorpay/Cashfree), RBI rescue schemes (BharatPe, Slice etc. For these topics there are some really good newsletters you can follow, if you read up their archives, and actually pick up the regulations to read and understand that is more than enough. My personal favourites are Fintales by Ikigai & MoneyRules by Setu, however they don't really go back long enough. I think if you search mint archives that is also a good source, I have been following news for some years now so have had the benefit of reading newspapers. Today, there are a lot of good newsletters that cover everything.

The third is just open Mondaq periodically and catch up on all recent updates or minor news.

This idea that bare reading of rules, regulations to learn fintech from scratch is a futile exercise in my opinion, it is boring, and you are unlikely to understand any thing you read. Although once you cover the basics, you do need to exhaustively read all of these regulations/acts etc. which many have listed here, but I would suggest starting from live examples and reverse engineer to reach the applicable law.

1. Payments and Settlement Systems Act, 2007 - This is the mother Act for all things fintech.

2. NBFC (SBR) Master Direction, 2023

3. Outsourcing of Financial Services Guidelines (for both banks and NBFCs; for NBFCs, it is now covered within the SBR MD)

4. Outsourcing of IT functions Guidelines.

5. Digital Lending Guidelines, 2022

6. Guidelines on Default Loss Guarantee, 2023

7. DPDP Act, 2023 - with a background of SPDI Rules 2008

8. Aadhaar Act

9. Aadhaar (Authentication and Offline Verification) Regs 2022

10. PMLA and PML Rules, 2005

11. PA-PG Guidelines

12. Debit and Credit Card Directions

13. Co-Lending Circular, Co-origination circular

14. PA-CB circular

15. PPI Master Directions

16. FEMA Circulars on Authorised Dealers

17. NPCI circulars and procedural guidelines

18. Consumer Protection Act and regulations / guidelines thereof

This is a broad overview of applicable laws in fintech.

Payment & Settlement Systems Act

Prevention Money Laundering Act

Directions for Opening and Operation of Accounts and Settlement of Payments for Electronic Payment Transactions Involving Intermediaries, 2009

Guidelines on Regulation of Payment Aggregators and Payment Gateways

Master Direction on Issuance and Operation of Prepaid Payment Instruments

Guidelines for Licensing of Payments Banks

Digital Lending Guidelines

Master Directions – Non-Banking Financial Company – Peer to Peer Lending Platform

Master Direction – Non-Banking Financial Company – Scale Based Regulation) Directions

Master Direction - Know Your Customer (KYC) Direction, 2016

Master Directions on Access Criteria for Payment Systems

Framework for Outsourcing of Payment and Settlement-related Activities by Payment System Operators

Threads that can help you out: -

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/264496-guidance-uk-law-schools-lnat

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/285661-please-help-uk-universities-or-tier-1-nlu-if-only-i-get-them-after-a-gap-year

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/299207-giving-clat-but-what-about-abroad

A0 - 14L fixed, 2 - 4L variable (think they have hiked this, not sure*)

A1 - 16L fixed, 4 - 6L variable

A2 - 19L fixed, 6 - 8L variable

A3 - 22L fixed, 8 - 10L variable

SA1 - 25L fixed, 10 - 12L variable

SA2 - 28L fixed, 12 - 14L variable

SA3 - 32L fixed, 14 - 16L variable

SA4 - 35L fixed, 16 - 18L variable

MA1 - 44L fixed, 20 - 25L variable

MA2 - 52L fixed, 20 - 25L variable

MA3 - 60L fixed, 20 - 25L variable

These are Mumbai figures but Delhi bills higher at TT&A since GS is seated with all the rainmakers at that side of the turf. Think they keep you hanging at MA since its a glorified Counsel/Junior Partner role; the firm expects you to run the deal being an MA i.e. open any deal on LinkedIn and you will see that the involvement of an MA is more than that of the Associate. That being said, TT&A's culture is something to look forward to with very complex deals, Ex Foreign BigLaw partners and one of the most polished talent pools that there can exist in the Indian market.