Some people here have posted queries about the online LLMs at Columbia, King's etc. Certainly, the courses and profs at such places are better than what one will get in India, while the costs are cheaper than going abroad. Working professionals also have flexibility. But the UGC notification means that such degrees will probably not be recognised here. The Indian government obviously wants to save foreign exchange and promote "Study in India", so they want to make people enrol for online courses in India. They would prefer if one enrols for an online LLM any Jindal or an NLU (those that offer online LLMs)
You may agree or disagree with the UGC's decision, but in view of this development I think people should only enrol for online LLMs in India. If you don't want to spend on Jindal, wait a few years and I am sure all the top NLUs will start one and offer courses at prices cheaper than Jindal.
Because there are some people who actually want to improve their knowledge without obsessing over grades. For example, I have a friend who is an IRS officer who is a non-lawyer and wants to do an online LLM in tax law. She can’t take leave and go abroad as she has family commitments. I also know a litigator who wants to expand his chamber practice to IP law and wants to do an online LLM in IP. He also thinks (with some justification) that an LLM will give him some cred while hustling for clients or applying to be on government panels.
Please move beyond your bubble of “Cyril Shroff will only select those from NLU X with 7 GPA, so I will enrol for banking law by Galgotia Sir and Gender and Law by Mukherjee Ma’am as they like me and will give me good grades. Then I will get a PPO from CAM and impress Devina from 2nd year who doesn’t look at me and only hangs about with Karan Oberoi”.
I like learning too. But if you’re serious about that project you should enroll in a full time course in the best university you can get in to. You’re kidding me if you think that rigor in online courses is comparable at all to offline courses. We all know it isn’t.
Well said. I know a faculty friend from a top business school, who did an online LLM just to understand and appreciate corporate and contract law. Just pure learning.
So far, UGC doesn't recognize any online LLM, including the one run by Jindal. People with that degree are not eligible to appear for UGC NET or sit for any PhD entrance examination of any university other than maybe the same one awarding the online degree. Of course, some people hide the fact of the LLM being online if the certificate doesn't mention it specifically, but that's an unethical step to begin with.
Source? AFAIK, there isn't any UGC directive barring such degree from UGC NET/PhD or otherwise. UGC had given IoE privileges to JGU, which allowed them to offer this online. This has been discussed on LI several times. Would be happy to (finally) see a legit source mentioning otherwise.
Simple. Just ask JGLS for record about how many of their online LLM grads are now currently pursuing PhD in universities (other than JGLS) across India or teaching there without a second LLM. They won't be able to furnish it, though they keep close track of their graduates (which is a good thing). The IoE status does not allow JGLS to go against UGC directives, which does not recognize full time online degrees including LLB and LLM.
A new mode has to be specifically recognised by the concerned authority, just like the distance mode needed to be. Lack of barring provision doesn't automatically confer validity.
I did my llm abroad about 7 years ago (Indian llm were still 2 years then) and then came back to India and passed net, they sent me a letter stating that my degree is under verification with AIU (which is the degree equivalence body in India). Have not yet received any communication from either AIU or UGC, gave up following after 2-3 years. Did my phd from india, am teaching at a top non-nlu govt uni.
Indian LLM was not 2 years back in 2016. The 1 year LLM was introduced from 2013 onward. Though some places still offer the 2 year LLM. Moreover, your foreign LLM was not online, and UGC has since then revised its policy and made most of the known foreign university degrees recognised in India.
Hi, your interpretation of this article is completely wrong due to the following reasons:
1. The article talks about Indian universities teaching the course, and you receive a foreign degree. The article clearly states that the same is not allowed unless and until some pre-requisites are met, like physically visiting the country of the university offering the degree. For example, X is an Indian university. Y is a foreign university, in US. X will teach Y's course to 10 students in India (maybe because they have some sort of a joint MOU). Now, these 10 students will get degree from Y university, NOT X University. The article states that, for such degree from Y (obtained through X) to be valid in India, pre-requisites like visiting US (place where Y university is located), etc. is imperative.
2. Online LLMs – If the LLM is taught by the foreign university and the degree is offered by the SAME foreign university, there should be no problem because the same is still recognized as: (a) it is governed by that country's regulations; and (b) the UGC does not expressly bar such foreign LLM taught and AWARDED by the same foreign university.
Please, read the headlines properly. Your post is very easily capable of creating the wrong discourse and spreading wrongly informed information.
URGING all readers of this article and this post to read the article and then take a decision cautiously, at their own choice. But, please, do not spread wrongly interpreted information just for the sake of getting those likes and comments.
If calling an unethical practice out as stating facts for the benefits of those unaware of it amount to bashing an institution, then so be it. Why don't you name a single individual currently teaching at a public university in India (or pursuing PhD) who have done only an online LLM from Jindal, and prove otherwise?
Some people here have posted queries about the online LLMs at Columbia, King's etc. Certainly, the courses and profs at such places are better than what one will get in India, while the costs are cheaper than going abroad. Working professionals also have flexibility. But the UGC notification means that such degrees will probably not be recognised here. The Indian government obviously wants to save foreign exchange and promote "Study in India", so they want to make people enrol for online courses in India. They would prefer if one enrols for an online LLM any Jindal or an NLU (those that offer online LLMs)
You may agree or disagree with the UGC's decision, but in view of this development I think people should only enrol for online LLMs in India. If you don't want to spend on Jindal, wait a few years and I am sure all the top NLUs will start one and offer courses at prices cheaper than Jindal.
Please move beyond your bubble of “Cyril Shroff will only select those from NLU X with 7 GPA, so I will enrol for banking law by Galgotia Sir and Gender and Law by Mukherjee Ma’am as they like me and will give me good grades. Then I will get a PPO from CAM and impress Devina from 2nd year who doesn’t look at me and only hangs about with Karan Oberoi”.
Actually my law school really does have a gender/feminism prof who gives high grades to her chelas. This comment is true!
1. The article talks about Indian universities teaching the course, and you receive a foreign degree. The article clearly states that the same is not allowed unless and until some pre-requisites are met, like physically visiting the country of the university offering the degree. For example, X is an Indian university. Y is a foreign university, in US. X will teach Y's course to 10 students in India (maybe because they have some sort of a joint MOU). Now, these 10 students will get degree from Y university, NOT X University. The article states that, for such degree from Y (obtained through X) to be valid in India, pre-requisites like visiting US (place where Y university is located), etc. is imperative.
2. Online LLMs – If the LLM is taught by the foreign university and the degree is offered by the SAME foreign university, there should be no problem because the same is still recognized as: (a) it is governed by that country's regulations; and (b) the UGC does not expressly bar such foreign LLM taught and AWARDED by the same foreign university.
Please, read the headlines properly. Your post is very easily capable of creating the wrong discourse and spreading wrongly informed information.
URGING all readers of this article and this post to read the article and then take a decision cautiously, at their own choice. But, please, do not spread wrongly interpreted information just for the sake of getting those likes and comments.