Some tax benefits. You can earn back most of what you pay as TSD when you file for taxes. Plus, allows you to keep your Bar Council enrolment active. You can't be a licensed Advocate if you are an employee on the payroll. Lastly, as someone else mentioned, here you are being retained and hired for your services (retainer being a contract for services; the contract and firm policies determining your rights), unlike an employer-employee relation (which is a contract of service; the labour law statutes and company policies governing your rights).
I am not going to address the substantive point about the BMTC. I will confine myself to addressing just one word of this, "immigrants". Heavens above! As a former resident of this city, I will say this: the attitude that the use of such language demonstrates is unworthy of you. To those who have felt excluded in Bangalore, I absolutely get it. So did I. I am happy to report, however, that I am now living in a place where I, at least, haven't experienced this kind of snobbishness (though it has its own unique problems). I hope I never have to return to Bangalore.
PS: If anyone wants to know how/why I felt excluded, I'll say only this: try to imagine navigating the city, either on foot or by public transport, either on your own or in company, if (1) you were to be completely blind; and (2) you have Cynophobia (have dog/cat phobia) (hint, Bangalore has a street dog problem, whatever its other virtues, also think about street/public transport accessibility).
I used to work for a Tierless corporate law firm in Mumbai. I joined the firm at a pay grade which was just ok. I agreed to the salary, as they said they would increase the pay much more within a year. I was anyway not getting many opportunities in my hometown.
I used to stay alone, it was a non-negotiable, in my hometown I had my own room, and it was just my grandma and parents. So I took up living in an SRA, I didn't have any furniture, zilch. I used to have one thin mattress, no gas connection, no fridge, no other appliances, 2 plastic plates, 1 bucket. No almirah, Used to live out of 2 suitcases and a laundry bag. I used to hand wash my clothes and iron them. It was a fuck all living situation. I moved out soon to Delhi after 2 years of living that way. Rent was almost half of my pay.
The other major expenses included, taxis, alcohol and cigarettes and food. There were days I had spare change by the end of the month.
I then started obsessively tracking my expenses, it helped me bring in control a lot of my wasteful expenses like swiggy and faasos, taxis and so on. Eventually helped me to build a bit of saving as well. But at the cost of almost no going out with friends, no vacations, no splurging, no entertainment like OTT and so on.
You still have some time left in law school. Pull your socks up and work hard on getting the very best grades you possibly can get at this point. Don't take this fatalistic attitude of saying that your grades can't improve - they still can. While the damage is, to a certain extent done, it can be limited or even undone to a certain extent as well if you can massively push up your grades in the remaining time you have. Maybe also try getting in a few more publications and competitions if you can, though I'd focus much more on the grades at this point. Do whatever is within reason, while being legal, allowed by your uni regulations and ethically right to get good grades - reaching out to previous toppers in the courses you are taking, asking professors to mark and give constructive suggestions on mock exam essays or give you feedback on where you previously went wrong, reading more widely than your law school course reading list etc.
I have found that the following works for me (caveat: grew up a fluent English speaker, what happens to you with English happens to me with Hindi and Bengali).
1. You could possibly have 'queue cards'. Little cards or pieces of paper where you have a key word or phrase about each topic or sub-topic you will cover written down. You briefly look at each card during your presentation and it will help jog your memory.
2. Speak in front of a mirror. Time yourself. If you've got a ten minute presentation, make sure you are doing it within ten minutes. Don't rush - by speaking too fast - or slow down too much. Keep on practicing until you can say your lines within the stipulated time-limit with minimal (or no) stumbling or hesitation.
3. Record yourself a couple of times. I have found that the knowledge that I am speaking for a recording is a realistic simulation of what I will feel when speaking in front of lots of people. You'll feel the nervousness and everything. However, if you can breathe, relax your mind and body and speak calmly for the recording, you can do it in front of a live audience.
4. Try summarizing (in the target language, i.e., the language you will be delivering the presentation, English for you) the topic you'll be speaking about to someone who knows nothing about the topic, if possible - a friend or family member who has some level of familiarity with the target language. As a bonus, maybe even do a mock presentation in front of them. Again, this gives you a simulation of what the real thing will feel like. In a good scenario, if your friend or family member is fluent in the target language, they can give you some feedback on your grammar, syntax etc as well afterwards!
make a list of universities in the UK which have full PGT scholarships, there are around 20 such universities, hint - start with the russell group and plate glass uni, no need to check with post 92 universities, do not waste your time with oxbridge scholarships unless you are the batch topper or within top 1-3 ranks
it is difficult to prepare a research proposal and do your llm in the same year, so make contacts with the profs at the place where you do your llm and start discussing ideas, base your proposal on the disseration, and show the proposal to some of the indian origin academics who are in your area and ask for comments, there was alist made by some commentators
once you have the proposal ready, send it to all the unis which have pgr scholarships, most russells and plate glasses have half a dozen scholarships each which pay international fees + stipend
I bill this client quarterly. This quarter, the client racked up a 15L bill. This client has secured favourable orders in some of the cases that count. There were no losses. The other cases, relatively, aren't high stakes. There are 20 cases in total, not just one. I have incurred substantial personal expenses for flight tickets, hotel reservations, stationery, printing/scanning, etc. I have to pay my team and external vendors too. They are being remarkably patient and I intend to pay them within seven days - even if I have to dip into my funds. I might have to take out a personal loan to avoid fiscal instability after repaying everyone. I have a hunch that this client is taking advantage of my being stretched and is arm-twisting me for a shakedown/discount. I say this because the client doesn't respond to messages about other ongoing cases. Also, because this client has cleared bills of other external vendors that bill it directly in these cases (including senior counsels). I get the blue ticks but no reply to my updates on matters related to other ongoing cases now. I feel like he's doing ground work to replace me and default on my payments. This client has only one follow-up message on this default. It was sent after two weeks (after the invoice issuance date). It was replied to with an assurance that the matter would be addressed soon. It has been some days since this reply. Has anyone been betrayed or arm-twisted in this fashion by a client after securing favorable orders?
What should I do? I still some have his very valuable papers. I know what you all are now thinking and I don't want to be that person. I don't wish to shred them just yet. I just want to do great work and be paid fully and on time.
A genuine question to the LI hivemind. I know a person who has been assisting my father in his chamber for a long time now. He is around 55 years, knows a lot of the practical aspects of law. He really wants to get an LLB degree so that he can practise in smaller courts and earn a little more. He can't quit his present job because he has got a family to support. I am looking for some lesser known college anywhere in India where he can get enrolled, pay the fees, but will not have to attend classes other than maybe a week in every semester if required. I can help him with his studies as much as he needs to do well in his exams etc. Preferably not somewhere that costs a lot (maybe less than a lakh a year), as I will be trying to sponsor his fees from my own personal savings as a student. This person already has got a Masters degree with English Honours. He is not looking to get a degree by doing nothing, but is willing to work hard on his studies, just cannot attend formal classes for aforesaid reasons. If anyone has got any suggestion, please be help. Please be kind and don't troll. TIA.
@Mod: Please allow the comments here as quickly as you can, will be grateful.
Buddy, folks at Google and Meta who thought they were changing the world got laid off. This is nothing.
Chin up. Apply for another job. Just say - you wanted to try out a new practice area/ field of work. Took a break in between. Don’t bitch about your previous employer during the interview.
Life is about falling and picking yourself back up. Topping in exams doesn’t teach you this. It’s ok.
Try the following - books and articles. As you said "law and legal theory", I understood you to mean you wanted Jurisprudence/legal philosophy readings (apologies, haven't abided by usual bibliographical conventions, just listed stuff which came to my head).
Books:
1. H.L.A. Hart, 'The Concept of Law'.
2. Ronald Dworkin, 'Law's Empire' (maybe also try 'Justice for Hedgehogs').
3. Lon L. Fuller, 'The Morality of Law'.
4. John Finnis, 'Natural Law and Natural Rights'.
5. J. Lear, 'Aristotle: the Desire to Understand'.
Articles:
1. H.L.A. Hart, 'Positivism and the Separation of Law and Morals'.
2. Noam Gur, 'Ronald Dworkin and the Curious Case of the Floodgates Argument'.
3. Kristen Rundle, 'The Impossibility of an Exterminatory Legality'.
*4. Eric Heinze, '*The meta-ethics of law: Book One of Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics'.
5. Brian Leiter, 'Legal Realism and Legal Positivism Reconsidered'.
He has not disclosed which magazine/website sent him the mail, but Google shows that a website/magazine called Enterprise World gives an award by this same name:
I think they aren't all that interested in this stuff right now. You might be doing a lot more thinking on it than they are :). There are local elections going on here at the moment (not the GE, which happens later this year). The UK PM is potentially facing a battle for his own survival, in case the local elections, which took place yesterday, go badly for the current political dispensation (results declared until now certainly show things not looking too good for them...). I think Sunak is more concerned, at least for now, about whether (i) the Tories win two key mayoralty contests; (ii) how badly the Tories lose various local councils; and (iii) if they perform badly in the electoral contests mentioned in (i) and (ii), if diehard anti-Sunak plotters can convince enough MPs to put in letters of no confidence, and, if they do, how to head off this potential coup. One of the only consolation factors for Sunak RN is the fact that, in the recent Blackpool South by-election, the Conservative Party, while being beaten by Labour, didn't come third - it was feared that one of the pressure-points for Tory MPs would be if Reform UK, a party even more to the right of the Tories, came second.
At least someone is concerned about the one thing that will impact the lives of most people who come and read this blog... else this website has almost ended becoming a glass door equivalent for students and jobseekers... :) no offences meant..
Sorry to say this, but SILF has won this round of the battle as well... despite rules having been made for the entry, no one followed up..
The Indian corporate law firm scene is likely to remain the same. Space currently occupied by the old ruling families will be ceded to new age gangs of boys, who will be no different. So sit back and try and enjoy the ride
Hi guys, hope everyone is doing well. I am a first generation law student in my 2nd year of LLB and I needed help, my areas of interest lay in media entertainment laws and intellectual property laws, I am located out of Mumbai, coming from a 3 year LLB and a tier 3-4 college I don't have much scope to get a placement through college or get into any tier1 firms, I have done all my corporate internships in tier1 or 2 firms so far and would appreciate any leads I can get on any media and entertainment or intellectual property firms that hire students from non-nlu/ tier 1-2 colleges and pay decent (non litigation firms who pay over 40k per month)
ps- please note that all my previous internships have been general corporate or Banking Finance related.
I am a banking lawyer who has worked as General Counsel/ Head of Legal with Indian and MNC Bank for long. Now nearing 60, i may be retired by my current bank in the near future.
Wondering what avenues/ opportunities are open for me and worth exploring.
Favour with your candid views and suggestions from various perspectives.
Not a lawyer, but can definitely resonate with you. Having graduated from a Tier 3/4 city and being an introvert, public speaking was always a challenge. One thing that has worked for me is the continuous/forced effort to push my boundaries and accept more often of such speaking opportunities. Ofcourse, you've got to start from a webinar before throwing yourself to a podium. Most important part is to practice and practice a lot! Be aware of what you are speaking and try to speak slow. This has worked with me and got me several speaking opportunities in a Tier I firm, where I am placed now. Wish you success in life and i am pretty sure you will overcome this soon. It's just a matter of time.
OP, there's just one thing you should hear regarding your experiences from anyone with even the smallest drop of humanity: simply, I am sorry that you faced this, it is unacceptable, full-stop. A few more things, however, need to be said regarding the responses to your comment where you have outlined your experiences. The amount of insensitivity and victim blaming (disguised as reasonable hair-splitting about definitions or what "actual" discrimination is supposed to look like) is as awful as your experiences. I am sorry that the mods haven't intervened in this and done their job properly either, by marking more of these comments "contested", "trollish" etc, and reminding people here about the value of kindness. They should be deeply ashamed of themselves. Very simply, you came to this forum looking for support, and all you got is more hate. Shame on everyone else who has indulged in this.
Hi,fellow LI users. I graduated from not so known law school in tier-3 city situated in Hindi belt region and am currently working in a chamber.I can write and speak decent english but when it comes to presentation of legal things I fumble, not able to express/ recall things properly and at times I even go blank on a topic which I can easily explain in hindi.I don't know whether it is content or english but I am really suffering due to this and I really want to improve my presentation skills. Any tips on how to improve would really help. Thanks in anticipation.
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I have been in the profession for 14 years now. The answer to your question is actually simple - learn to say no. If someone is giving you more work than you can handle, being abusive, intruding in personal life, long hair, etc. - just say no.
BUT, there has to be an order to things. Focus on being good/ indispensable in your work. I dont know what hair band you use or how you other wise dress - long hair cant be an excuse to look shoddy. Someone wearing red pant and green shirt (no matter howsoever formal looking and branded) will be asked to revisit his wardrobe.
Your question was a bit free-flowing (as if no one ever had this idea of keeping long hair during job), hence I believe the initial negative feedback. No one gives a crap how you keep your hair. Just dont end up losing your job because of this. In life, you will face situations where you will have to give up (hard earned) things that will be more valuable than hair. So, I guess, just take a chill pill for now, grow your hair, push your boss back a bit, then tell us in 6 months what happenned. Sounds good?
You must cut the mods some slack. Poor devils, I really don't envy them. How they can, day in and day out, read through tonnes and tonnes of absolutely unserious nonsense while still maintaining sanity on her plinth is one of those insoluble mysteries of life.
If moderators can't spare an hour each for moderation then we need a new set of mods. Some of us students depend on this site for actual life changing updates i hope you guys get the responsibility upon you. Other than the bs which takes place here it is actually used for good shit too this site.
Update: A hearing took place, as scheduled, on 24 April 2024. Liang was represented by NLSIU alum and Senior Advocate Jawahar Raja, AUD through Manika Tripathy and the survivor through NUJS alum Goutham Shivshankar. The judge (Justice Subramaniam Prasad) gave 3 weeks to AUD to file a reply and asked for rejoinders to the reply to be filed before the next hearing. The just listed 24 July as the next date of hearing.
Current status: 6 years, 14 hearings, still no hearing on substantive arguments by counsels. But at least some progress, so a decision by 2030 is possible, perhaps even earlier. Interesting that the survivor is not giving up but continuing to fight.
I am a reasonably senior IP lawyer. Earning pretty well and advising good clients in both lit and prosecution. Some advice I can share with students are:
- You need patience in this space. Starting salaries are low but will go up with time. Don’t be depressed early on if you get low pay. I myself am an example. Thought I don’t earn as much as a CAM corporate partner, it’s still very good pay. I started by earning peanuts.
- The top lawyers and law firms in this field survive entirely on foreign clients. Indian clients are 🤮 both in terms of work and billing. If you happen to be in a firm which advises mainly Indian clients, that’s not a good firm! Many small boutique firms have very good foreign clients. Join them.
- The future if this field is tech. Tech. Tech. Tech. You must keep yourself up to date with the latest developments in this space and get to know about the tech itself.
- Finally, just like in corporate law, there are some law firm owners who unfortunately are oligarchs in this practice area: keeping salaries low, promoting nepo kids and making no investment in continuing education and training. If foreign law firms come in they will hopefully fade away.
I graduated from a Tier-III NLU in 2022 and have a brief litigation experience. I always wanted to go for academia but low salary/ incentives and significant gestation period (do LLM then PhD) compelled me to not pursue it initially after graduation. But now I am thinking of changing trajectory and go for Masters. But I can't go abroad and can only go for NLU. I have shot for Tier-I NLU for Masters in coming academic year. But not sure whether Indian system encourages merit, as I see most of the professors getting appointed for posts through Jugaad.
I understand there is a dearth of information about niche practice areas such as TMT, IP etc., and I hope this response provides a bit more clarity to readers -
1) The IP practice in India is dominated by boutique IP firms who operate primarily in cities that have a branch of the IP office or a High Court that regularly takes up IP matters (typically Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Kolkata). These boutique law firms are involved in the bulk of prosecution work, which is the bread and butter of any IP lawyer.
2) A pure IP practice can be classified into three major areas - prosecution, litigation and transactions. Prosecution pretty much relates to all IP filing work (including responding to office actions, opposition proceedings) and corresponding advisory work. This accounts for a bulk of income for IP firms. Litigation, naturally, relates to IP disputes. Most firms work straightforward cases related to trademark, copyright or patent infringement. Since IP is still growing in India, complex cases involving various questions of law usually go to a few boutique firms who have a history of doing good IP litigation work (such as Anand, Remfry, Singh, Saikrishna etc.). These offices are primarily based in Delhi due to the IP Division having judges such as Pratibha Singh, who were former IP lawyers and have a deeper understanding of IP law. Transactional work is available with very few firms, but typically involves drafting and negotiation of agreements (licenses, assignments, co-existence agreements, JV agreements etc., that are IP centric). Such work is also very sector specific, with firms such as ANM Global, Khimani etc. dominating the M&E industry and regularly making production, artist agreements.
3) A few full-service law firms (T1 and T2) such as Khaitan, AZB, SAM and now CAM have fully functional IP teams. However, these firms (barring Khaitan) do not do a lot of prosecution work due to the clerical nature of work, and abundance of competitors who are willing to do such work for much lesser fees. These firms typically work on IP transactions (assisting M&A teams with IP portion of transactions), negotiating IP agreements and allied agreements for larger clients. They also tend to do a lot more advisory work across IP and allied fields. The IP team in AZB, for example, also handles a lot of pharmaceutical regulatory work whereas Khaitan seems to be doing a lot of technology related and advertising regulatory work. Can't comment on SAM, and CAM has recently started an IP team so not too sure about the kind of work they do.
4) Breaking into a boutique firm is SIGNIFICANTLY easier than joining a full-service firm with an IP team.
5) Ideally, one should always be very clear with IP prosecution before venturing into other areas of IP (including litigation or transactions).
6) The industry is slowly (but surely) becoming more sensitive towards IP as a practice area. This is also evident with the increased involvement of IP and Tech teams on commercial deals (go check any deal reporting by major law firms and see IP partners who have assisted such deals). However, understand that as a practice area, IP is very very concentrated and there is an over-availability of lawyers. If you wish to succeed and make it to the top (which is where the money is, unfortunately), you need to have a very deep industry / sector understanding, along with experience in allied fields such as TMT, Data Protection and Privacy etc.
7) Hours are not, as others claim, "chill". This is completely dependent on the firm you work for, and the quantum of work they have. This is especially true if you're working for a fullservice firm's IP / TMT team. Due to the smaller team sizes, the quantum of work often gets overwhelming.
8) Money, especially in early phases, is significantly lower than Corp Teams unless you manage to break into a Tier-1 firm. (Do your research about differential pay here too).
9) If you're interested in pure IP work, join a boutique firm. No better place to learn and do only IP work. Personally, felt that such work was very mundane and wanted to have a taste of all work under IP and related fields, thus chose to join a T1 full-service firm. Work is fun, regularly get to work across sectors including M&E, Pharma, Tech. This means work isn't purely IP, but also a lot of compliance, advisory and regulatory work.
10) DO YOUR RESEARCH about the kind of work the firm does. Boutiques may also place you in over-specialsed and demarcated groups such as 'prosecution' team, where you may be stuck doing purely IP prosecution. While you gain immense expertise in the prosecution field, I feel like you shouldn't limit yourself to only one area, especially as a fresher.
Just saw a similar thread for people teaching abroad. I would like to know about the people who are currently teaching full-time in the various law colleges and universities in India. Please feel free to contribute to the list. Kindly refrain from law school comparison and other related trolling. Here are the ones whom I know about. Kept the TLC/private university grads limited to post-2000s as that's the time most of the NLUs had been set up. You may add the LLM alumni of NLUs too. I have not included JGLS faculty here, as the number is high; I will try to post a separate comment on them down below later.
1. Aishwarya Birla (NALSAR grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
2. Anupama Sharma (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
3. Aparajita Lath (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
4. Aparna Chandra (NLSIU grad, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
5. Arun K. Thiruvengadam (NLSIU grad, currently Professor at NLSIU)
6. Arul George Scaria (Mahatma Gandhi University grad, NALSAR LLM, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
7. Ashna Singh (RMLNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
8. Ashrita Prasad Kotha (NALSAR grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
9. Atrayee Majumder (NLSIU grad, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
10. Balu G. Nair (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
11. Bhanu Tanwar (NLUD grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
12. Darshana Mitra (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
13. Divya Deviah (JGLS 3-Year LLB, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
14. Gauri Pillai (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
15. Harsha N (HNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
16. Kunal Ambasta (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
17. Madhubanti Sadhya (CU grad, NUJS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
18. Malini Chidambaram (JGLS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
19. Manish (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
20. Meenakshi Ramkumar (JGLS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
21. Mihir Naniwadekar (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
22. Mrinal Satish (NLSIU grad, currently Professor at NLSIU)
23. Nikita Ahalyan (DU 3-Year LLB, NLSIU LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
24. Nigam Nuggehalli (NLSIU grad, currently Professor and Registrar at NLSIU)
25. Padmini Baruah (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
26. Pranav Verma (NALSAR grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
27. Preeti Pratishruti Dash (NLUO grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
28. Prerna Dhoop (KIIT grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
29. Radhika Chitkara (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
30. Rahul Hemrajani (Symbiosis grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
31. Rahul Singh (NLSIU grad, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
32. Rashmi Venkatesan (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
33. Sahana Ramesh (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
34. Salmoli Choudhuri (NLUD grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
35. Sanyukta Chowdhury (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
36. Sarasu Esther Thomas (NLSIU grad, currently Professor at NLSIU)
37. Saurabh Bhattacharjee (NALSAR grad, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
38. Sharadha R. Shinde (Karnataka University grad, NLSIU LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
39. Shreya Shree (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
40. Smitha Krishna Prasad (Symbiosis grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
41. Sudhanshu Kumar (CNLU grad, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
42. Sudhir Krishnaswamy (NLSIU grad, currently Professor and Vice Chancellor at NLSIU)
43. Rosmy Joan (Mahatma Gandhi University grad, JGLS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
44. Sunishth Goyal (NALSAR grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
45. Rohan Cherian Thomas (GNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
46. Hemangini Chandra Sharma (NLUJ grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
47. Poosarla Bayola Kiran (DSNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
48. A. Sridhar (NALSAR LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
49. Niharika Salar (NUSRL grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
50. Prakhar Ganguly (Vidyasagar University grad, NLUD LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
51. Prerna (NUSRL grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
52. Nandini Biswas (GNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
53. Ishita Das (NLUJ grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
54. Vivek Mukherjee (NLIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
55. Varun Malik (Amity University grad, NALSAR LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
56. Rajesh Kapoor (Symbiosis University grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
57. Sidharth Chauhan (NLSIU, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
58. Ashwini Kumar Pendyala (Kakatiya University grad, NALSAR LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
59. Sourabh Bharti (DU grad, NALSAR LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
60. Shameek Sen (NUJS grad, currently Associate Professor at NUJS)
61. Shouvik Kumar Guha (NUJS grad, currently Associate Professor at NUJS)
62. Paramita Dasgupta (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
63. Aman Gupta (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
64. Anirban Mazumder (Burdwan University grad, NLSIU LLM, currently Professor at NUJS)
65. Lovely Dasgupta (NUJS LLM, currently Associate Professor at NUJS)
66. Sarfaraz Ahmed Khan (CU grad, NUJS LLM, currently Associate Professor at NUJS)
67. Tilottama Raychaudhuri (Symbiosis grad, NUJS LLM, currently Associate Professor at NUJS)
68. Faisal Fasih (CU grad, NUJS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
69. Sampa Karmakar Singh (Burdwan University grad, NUJS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
70. Vijay Kishor Tiwari (DU grad, NLSIU LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
71. Surja Kanta Baladhikari (CU grad, NUJS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
72. Anup Surendranath (NALSAR grad, currently Professor at NLUD)
73. Roopa Madhav (NLSIU grad, currently Professor at NLUD)
74. Daniel Mathew (DU grad, NLSIU LLM, currently Associate Professor at NLUD)
75. Vishal Mahalwar (MD University grad, NALSAR LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLUD)
76. Dakshina Chandra (NALSAR grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLUD)
77. Kheinkor Lamarr (NLIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLUD)
78. Dinesh (GGSIPU grad, NLUD LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLUD)
79. Garishma Bhayana (NUJS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
80. Ruth Vaipei (NE Hills University grad, NLUJ LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
81. Aniruddh Panicker (NLUO grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
82. Vini Singh (HNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
83. Sayantani Bagchi (CU grad, NLUO LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
84. Kritika Singh (RMLNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
"if [sic] you are disabled, won't you find it problematic to do the kind of document work in law firms? Law firms dont [sic] have special systems for the impaired and especially clients arent [sic] willing to accommodate the same in costs as well.
"Might as well prepare for the judiciary or IAS? (hint hint PWD)
"Pls dont [sic] take this the wrong way, its just a suggestion/ comment jk"
Lots to unpack here, apologies (especially to mods) for the length of this. Glad that someone marked this comment as "contested", despite the disclaimer. I am a blind person and a law student and find this deeply problematic in many ways.
1. Most obvious: problematic implications re reservations.
2. Accommodation and costs: Most blind people use computers with screen readers (read-aloud/text-to-speech software) that reads out everything to them that's displayed on a screen, including what they type. I myself use one such software package, called Non-Visual Desktop Access (NVDA). I use this software for everything: from reading the above-quoted comment to typing my response here on LI, and to do everything I need to digitally, whether academic or personal work. Making documents accessible to such software isn't all that difficult. Platforms/software such as SensusAccess, Brickfield Accessibility Toolkit and ilovepdf.com can convert inaccessible (i.e., image-based/scanned) PDFs into accessible formats (typed text). All these software packages are well within the reach of most reasonably performing firms, financially. There are methods to communicate the substance of more visual documents (e.g. maps, patent designs/diagrams etc.) to the blind. These have included (in the U.S., particularly) using paralegals/interns as human readers (I know of someone using these very methods as a blind person for IP work in India). Law firms anyway take on such people, so this isn't too difficult either, is it? Hope that sufficiently addresses your "special systems" point.
3. Further, people in India and beyond have been working at law firms for some considerable time. The first blind person to get the Rhodes scholarship from India worked at a T1 law firm before going to Oxford and has recently returned to law firm life. Others have commented in this forum and this thread about blind lawyers who are/have been doing it in India right now or in the recent past - see above. I myself have commented, in encouraging the OP to think about all opportunities, including TC's in London, about visually impaired people working at some of the world's most competitive firms (specifically, Clifford Chance and Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer). Therefore, I encourage the person who made the above-quoted comment to please engage in some deep reflection on whether they are, intentionally or not, acting as a gatekeeper to the legal profession.
If you are looking at foreign law firms for a TC at some point, I know somebody that's at Clifford Chance who has a visual impairment (the individual was educated in England itself though, but that shouldn't make too much of a difference TBH). A grad rec guy from Freshfields who came to my uni to deliver a talk about a year ago told me about somebody there as well who is blind. As a fellow blind law student, just putting this out there so you don't make the mistake of assuming that some career options/opportunities that your sighted counterparts aspire for are out of reach for you just because of your blindness.
Here is an informative list of TMT law firms from an earlier thread on Legallyindia:
1. Trilegal: Rahul Mathan at the helm ensures a lot of government work but he is less active on client work than before. ‘Statesman’ status. Generally a very well regarded and busy team. Nikhil Narendran, Jyotsna are good partners to work with. Nikhil is particularly focussed on telecom. Jaideep Reddy for fintech/crypto. Team is nice to work in.
2. CAM: Arun Prabhu is good. But the practice is not the same tier as Trilegal.
3. Ikigai: Cutting-edge work in a lot of new areas like AI, metaverse, blockchain. Works with almost all big-tech companies, especially in social media, ecom, cloud, satcom, fintech. Strong data practice too. Anirudh Rastogi is the managing partner, known for emerging tech/blockhain, Nehaa Chaudhari for policy/data, Aparajita Srivastava for fintech. Sreenidhi Srinivasan for data.
4. NDA: old tech and media practice with good clients but several good lawyers have left or are leaving the firm. Better work-life than at other big practices. Works in a lot of new areas of tech like crypto, drones etc. Gowree Gokhale is good for media and gaming. Huzefa for new areas. NDA puts a lot of writing on areas of tech.
5: Indus: It is a gaming and entertainment practice led by Ranjana Adhikari from NDA. Well known partner but in the gaming circles.
6. Spice Route: Key areas are fintech and data. Mathew Chacko heads up both practices in the Bangalore office. Mumbai office doesn’t do as much tech. Do a lot of vc investment work in tech startups too, headed also by Mathew. Senior Associate Aadya Mishra also known for data work.
7. Saraf: Building it out. Too early in the game to comment.
8. SAM: low key but good TMT team with big clients. Sahana Chatterjee does a lot of TMT policy work. Tejas Karia’s team does TMT litigation for large clients, but can be quite routine for the most part.
9. TMT Law Practice: Abhishek Malohotra has an established telecom litigation practice. His team also does gaming and data.
10. Anand & Anand: been building a tmt practice, but still best for IP aspects of TMT.
So we sent the email and the student bar council took charge. Our vice president voiced our concerns to the administration and our VC agreed to make a committee to sort this matter.
Yesterday, our registrar also visited our accommodation and took a headcount of our current batch.
To trolls who are throwing personal attacks, try to understand one's situation before talking shit. Even our faculties are scared to raise their voice (despite not getting full salaries for the past six months),what the hell do you expect a single first-year student just out of high school to do? Had my identity been compromised, I'd have been thrown out of this uni for the violation of the "academic code of conduct"
Today was the first day of our end-semester examination. We're still waiting for positive results. Thank you to everyone who genuinely helped us. Though we didn't mass boycott the exams, there were a lot of useful actions that I was able to take because of the clarity some LI peers gave.
In light of the Courts and Constitution Conference (Panel 6 on Shamnad Basheer Memorial Roundtable Conference on Disability Law) held at NALSAR, few lawyers and a student highlighted the barriers faced during recruitment or internships. However, there seems no public discussion on the issue. What can the legal community do to make sure the market is more inclusive for PwDs?
Hi, I was in a similar situation. I currently work at a Tier 1. These are the tips I can give you: (1) intern as much as possible (specially if you go to GLC) - I did not utilize my time interning and in hindsight, the experience would have helped me; (2) don't hesitate in cold calling/e-mailing (you never know when you get lucky); (3) make sure you spend time understanding basic concepts with respect to the field of law you choose; and (4) focus on learning as much as possible and from wherever possible (I started my career at a T2 and realized that there is lots of learnings to pick up from juniors to peers to seniors).
It’s an unauthorised encampment. They were harassing Jewish students. And waving banners of Hezbollah and Hamas - both terrorist groups. And they were burning the American flag. Go to Shai Davidais Twitter and you can see videos. They were told to leave and warned several times. The president of Columbia went to congress and lied about the action she was taking against them at the time.
It is not in good faith to claim “Palestinians are not all Hamas “ when you don’t stop people in your movement from waving the hezbollah and Hamas flags. It’s not in good faith to claim that there are innocent Palestinians and babies that have been harmed ( which anyone would be sympathetic to) But then to use that sympathy to sloganeer about how you’re proud of the martyrs of oct 7.
Mods : you clearly cannot moderate these topics. You always let these conversations start and then fail at moderating fairly mid way through. It would be better to not allow the misinformation in the first place. You’re under no pressure to let someone post some nonsense about this culture war in America every week or about the real war in Israel. It’s the honourable thing to go : “we just are not equipped to keep moderating these arguments” and just stop.
In fact, I'm surprised why this didn't happen earlier. Sounds win-win. For example, pay associates 60K in Nashik instead of 1L in Mumbai. The firms save money and the associates probably save more than they would in Mumbai and live in a better apartment. If there is an important physical meeting in Mumbai, the associate can travel by train. In fact, you can even keep associates in Raipur or Ranchi at 50K and ask them to fly down for physical meetings (at the firm's cost). It will still cost the firm less.
I am working in a Tier 2 law firm in Mumbai in IBC Practice. I have 4+ years work experience here and there. I started with a Litigation lawyer, climbed up to a firm. I took this job due to family financial issues. Currently earning 12 LPA. But I don't have savings due to family reasons - I had to support them for these many years. My age is 26.
Not giving exact details for privacy reasons.
My dream was to became a Judicial Officer. But currently I have done zero prep. I have mostly done SARFESI, IBC work and have forgotten every important law over the time. I only go to NCLT and DRT.
Is it possible to prepare for Judicial Services Exam with a job?
My working houses are 10 to 8, luckily weekends are off (Saturday and Sunday)
How to prepare?
Should I leave my job for preparation?
I am looking for UP Judicial Services Exam.
Kindly tell me if preparing with full time job is possible.
I have heard that for UPSC exams it's very difficult to study with full time job. Is it the same for Judicial Services?
I can quit the job but I only have 4L savings enough for 1 year.
Moderator, can we please get a sticky LI thread clearly stating the moderation rules and standards? Because of late, at least part of the moderation seems quite random and arbitrary. I am stating this as an objective reader, setting aside law school petty rivalry or political affiliation. If you don't want anyone to name others, then the same standard should apply throughout, for example. If universities can be named, but law firms are off limits, please mention that clearly. Basically, let the readers and posters know about the rules and be objective and clear about those. Kian used to do that once upon a time.
BCI writes to state governments (their respective Departments of Education) about the fall in the quality of legal education. It urges state governments to be very prudent in approving new law colleges and their affiliation. As expected, the note is only for the state governments and state universities. It covers state NLUs that are mushrooming now. It excludes national universities that are INIs (obviously).
op here, i have decided to close the thread because i dont want to create unnecessary draama in my life - it's their loss if they are missing out on an awesome person like me
Be an understanding professor first. In our college, some new professor's inundate student's with work and are very bad and disrespectful towards students in their demeanor. If you want respect, then be respectful and understanding the the students too. The profession is to teach and not about making it everything about yourself or taking your frustrations out on the students.
Also, read well and teach well too. Don't just read from the book. Nobody respects that. Students can do it on their own too.
Should I be the silent, strict, no-nonsense kind or the bat shit crazy genius unpredictable kind ? As a young assistant professor I always wonder which kind students prefer ? The strict ones are great to keep a distinction between professional and personal life. However the crazy weird ones are interesting.
No political background. As someone else pointed out he's a graduate from NLS and went to Bishop Cottons which is one of Bangalore's poshest schools. He has made good use of those networks. Of course he is also an excellent speaker with great clarity of argument - both inside and outside court.
Given your interest in pursuing an MBA abroad, it's important to consider some key differences between law and business studies, and how they might impact your preparation. While the MBA is often viewed as overhyped in India, primarily for its placement opportunities, the true value of an MBA lies in its broad approach to problem-solving and emphasis on collaboration.
Law focuses on learning rules and procedures within a competitive environment, whereas an MBA will challenge you to apply simple, effective rules across various aspects of life and work. This teaches you to think broadly and work collaboratively, skills that are crucial in any business setting. This is not something which comes easy to lawyers and the more you be a lawyer in a law firm, the more difficult this transition will take.
However, if you want to make your MBA experience truly enriching, consider diving into subjects like accounting and finance, which are fundamental to understanding the language of business. Additionally, running your own business, even on a small scale, can provide invaluable real-world experience that enhances your learning in an MBA program.
Before you decide, it's crucial to reflect deeply on why you want to pursue an MBA. Understanding your core motivations will help you determine if this degree aligns with your professional goals. Once clear, choose a business school that aligns with your learning approach and where you aspire to relocate and work.
Rather than looking for a specific area of law that might prepare you for an MBA, focus directly on gaining experiences that align with your interest in business. As Warren Buffet suggests, align your actions closely with your goals to make the most of your time and efforts.
Reflecting on my personal experience, completing my MBA over a decade ago significantly changed my perspective, enabling me to integrate a business viewpoint in all my professional endeavours. This shift might well be something you find equally transformative, should you decide to proceed with an MBA. Speak to lawyers who have done an MBA to get the right insight. No blogs or posts here can serve that purpose.
2.5 years of which went into covid. Apart from that no such people in law school and its not important that everytime people can get opportunity for the same. But thank you.
Get an iPad - it's a sine qua non to be a disputes lawyer in today's age. In addition to the massive help in courts, use it as a second screen. Store your files in a drive/cloud and access it from both your work laptop and your iPad. (If your work laptop is a new gen MacBook and you get a compatible iPad, it actually acts as a second screen wirelessly.)
Have a meticulous file organization system. If your firm is lackadaisical about it, have your own system and stick to it.
Also, today you get many screens which connect to your laptop/desktop via USB. They're sleek and portable. A good option - and I'll argue better than two monitors stuck together at work.
What are some everyday, irksome tasks in your workflow, and have you found any clever workarounds? For example, at my previous firm, the restriction on using a second screen/ monitor meant one was doomed to endless switching between tabs and documents. The Word split-view feature at least made life a tad easier. Or perhaps you've experienced the hair-splitting task of finding that one email from a cesspool of a mailbox you inherited.
Would be interesting to hear transactional and disputes lawyers' tech/ workflow struggles, uncover common pain points (maybe associates/ partners face the same or wildly different problems!) and hopefully, discover solutions to those pesky everyday tasks.
Mumbai - Percy Pardiwalla, JD Mistry, POTUS Kaka, Farrokh Irani, K Shivaram, Vikram Nankani, V Sridharan (VS and VN do more indirect tax, but also have many direct tax matters)
Ahmedabad - Saurabh Soparkar, Tushar Hemani
Bangalore - KK Chaithanya
Kolkata - JP Khaitan
Rising Juniors (of age bracket approx 35 to 45: so those who are just on the cusp of getting really busy to those on the cusp of senior designation):
Delhi - Kamal Sawhney, Sachit Jolly, Gautam Swarup, Ananya Kapoor
I am not aware of rising Juniors in Bangalore/Ahd/Kolkata. There will be some, but none that I know of.
So you will think that there's a fair bit of options. The problem is that practically all the quality work is with one of these names... So come to think of it, not so many options then, if this is the entire pool...
It means they are preparing for the Solicitor exam wherein you have to undertake a three year internship like program called articled clerkship under a solicitor. You'll have to work under the solicitor for three years like a CA article and then write the exam. The exam is generally intensive and the clearance rate is pretty low..Have heard that you need contacts to get signed up as an article and even clear the exam because people fail in a subject or two by a thin margin.
First suggestion, do not enter ip prosecution. Once you enter there is rarely an exit from the practice and after the ROI does not justify the salary increase as majority of IP prosecution is done by boutique firms so the corporate T1s don't really want to enter it (other than KCO).
My suggestion would be to enter IP transactional or litigation. Try to get into the relevant teams in Anand and Anand or Saikrishna. Remfry is also great provided yothey don't push you in prosecution.
Disclaimer - this is a personal opinion. There are many who have found their footing in IP prosecution and are earning really well.
hi, i read through the entire manifesto and while what you've included here is not false, it does appear to be cherry-picked to your interests. I'd highly recommend that everyone read or at least skim through the entire manifesto
Heyy, NLIU is still in Tier 1. I know its NIRF rankings have fallen but i genuinely would say that it has a good academic, mooting and sports culture, placement rate etc. the decision is yours, but i think NLIU is a very good choice. NLIU cannot be compared to colleges like HNLU or NLUO. NLIU is far better.
P.s. There is no such thing as Tier 1.5, its either 1 or 2.
She died in an unfortunate accident near NCPA, Marine drive while she was trying to cross the road to the other side of the drive. Now GLC has an award under her name given out to the best student who qualifies all the laid criteria and after a panel interview.
Alyosha Kumar (NLS 2008). Murdered by two goons outside the campus when he objected to them harassing his friend. He was an amazing sportsperson. The SBA common room at NLS is named after him. His parents funded it's renovation.
I don't know what's the point at laughing at other's silly mistake? And then people wonder why others get depressed or can't speak up more. Grow up.
Don't worry about the replies OP, it happens. You'll meet more A-holes like this in law school & in the profession. Simply avoid them and toughen up.
Regarding your query, I assume you meant NLIU Bhopal. Well, it definitely is a tier 1 but well below NLS, NLUD, NALSAR, NUJS & maybe at par or below GNLU & NLUJ. Having said that, it's not a bad NLU, there is plenty of opportunities to do well. Sure the higher the NLU tag, the more opportunities you get. However that's absolutely upto your hardwork and networking. If you're interested in litigation, judiciary, civil services or academia, it's fine to continue there. Top NLUs mostly help in corporate placements.
My advice would be to join NLIU, then appear for clat again if you wish. In case you get a better university you can move, albeit you lose a year. If not you can continue at NLIU and you won't be wasting a year.
Whatever your choice, keep in mind beyond the next 5 years, as to where you want to see yourself. All the best.
In NLUO, there was one person named Ritwik Das, he died while playing football during NUJS Invicta due to cardiac arrest in 2019. Every year since then his birthday is celebrated by students as a tradition. I don't think anyone on campus now knew him personally but they celebrate his birthday without fail. His parents too have instituted a Gold Medal in his honour. The gold medal is awarded to best sports person from every batch during convocation.
Sorry for this depressing topic, but i’ve been thinking about this a lot, after the sad news of two more tragic deaths of Jindal students a couple of days ago.
Although these deaths are no doubt very sad, you will see that across law school batches past and present there are premature deaths, whether in college or after graduation. Just speak to people from Gen X to Gen Z. Almost everyone has a batchmate who is no more. Some had cancer, some had a heart attack because of work stress, some had COVID, some were in an accident, some took their own life. Even if you look at it mathematically, in a batch of 100 students there is a reasonable chance one person may die before reaching 40/45 years, or even 25 years. Sounds terrible, but it’s perhaps true?
So I was just thinking about these people who left the world too soon. Do you know any of them? Do you remember them? Does your college have medals and competitions in their name? How were they as people? Smart? Funny? Introverted? Troubled? Sad? I mean, we barely even remember COVID! Do we remember our friends who died of it?
Okay, I have a habit of overthinking again and again, if someone shouts at me, talks rudely or humiliates me. Basically the entire day is gone. I loose all interest and concentration for work. I just wanna run home, dumb-scroll till I sleep just to distract my mind from the incident. Most incidents are gone in a day though some remain for two-three days a minimum. I tried sharing with my friends but they are busy as well and tbh I feel like I am just whining. Therapy takes a lot of time and money. At this point I know no matter what I do, how good I become, I cannot expect everyone to never shout at me or humiliate me or be rude. It seems to be an inherent part of this profession or maybe life in general. I can't afford to waste time feeling sad for entire day and loose focus. How can I get back to work quickly and stop overthinking. Thanks
A word. Please don’t expose real names (even with initials) in a thread which discusses job offers/PPOs as the university is undergoing through a sensitive process which demands confidentiality. Kindly follow the same. Thank you.
What is wrong with Gen Z, man?? You guys are constantly fighting with each other and waging woke wars on campus. College is supposed to be FUN. College means sports, fests, theatre, debating, quizzing, music, dance etc. College is not meant to be a toxic place where you are branded and segregated on the basis of ideology. Is there any wonder we see such high levels of depression and loneliness on campus???
If someone supports Modi, let them. If someone supports Rahul, let them. Stop basing your whole life on politics!!!
You know, what I don't understand is, why so much spite and hatred? I understand this post is for trolling. Some kid writes, then some kid responds and this cycle continues. But, someone must have had this original thought to type and post this and enjoy the upheaval, even when their syllabus and study load is allegedly so much.
Kid, dekho. I was introduced to law after reading Constitutional law in UPSC CSE preparation. Unlike lawyers who have others laws to understand, for us, Indian constitution has to be mugged. Vaise bhi UPSC aajkal interpretation level pe chali gyi hai. Till that time, it was unthinkable in my friend circle to take law or study for CLAT. Unthinkable. I would have been a pariah. No one in my extended friend group is a lawyer. All are Engineers. Once I did engineering I realized, I don't like it.
How hard is it to understand? I had no clue that some world beyond IIT exists. Now, let me answer some of your questions because of which you write some much again and again.
Q1. You get NLU tag without cracking CLAT.
No, we are not in this for the NLU tag. Actually, most of us are here for the good legal education which NLS can provide. For any engineer in India, any IIT>IIM ABCL, BITS Pilani, IISc > ISB H, FMS, XLRI, SRCC>other IIMs>LSR,MDI. That's it. For us, NLU tag has literally no value. No value. 0. Ask a Product Manager at Flipkart if he has heard of NLUs in his state. He will say no. Actually, Faculty of Delhi University is more well known to us as many who crack UPSC CSE, attend that college.
So, we are not in this for the tag. Bar 3y law students from buying your hoodie/shirt. I will support it.
Q2. You will steal our jobs.
A. Dekho, firstly, most people who come in the 3y course, actually have jobs. Maybe not earning 20-30 lakh per annum, or not working at McKinsey, but, they have good enough jobs, which when supplemented with a good MBA can earn 40-50 lakh in 3y. So, it is not that people who come for the 3y course will die if they don't practice Law.
B. I do agree that anyone who invests 3 years will want a placement and this will lead to more competition for the almost same number of jobs. But, there are 4 points -
- 1. These are private firms. They make their own decisions. No one, (maybe, except top party brass), dictates terms to them. Their HRs and hiring team won't exactly be swayed, no matter how much the VC advocates for the 3y admits. So, it is their own decisions.
- 2. Private firms don't care about you. For them, we all are - resources. Nothing more, nothing less. So, stop attaching so much of your self worth to them. I read about how the supposed happiest place on earth (Google HQ), shut off access to employee email accounts and sent a list to people who were laid off.
- 3. You came to this college on "supposed" merit. Then, why are you afraid now? People will take cognisance of your superior skills (which the 3y LLB students (according to you) might never have), and will recognize you.
- 4. Even if we do not get a law job, I will (plead a bit) and come back to my current job. I am not dependent on the Law placements for living my life. Of course, if I was placed, it would be a good application of my 3 years.
You know, what people realize after preparing for UPSC CSE? That the difference in gyan, reading ability, knowledge, ability to summarise and research content, is really not that much between the 501st rank and AIR 1. It has more to do with interview and some luck. This awareness increases humility. This only comes with experience.
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All institutions, all ideas evolve. IIM A Director has emphasized that slowly, PGPX (1y course) will replace the 2y Flagship PGP. So, should we proclaim that the 2y students are smarter than PGPX course students? No.
So, ideas evolve. The objective of IITs was to produce Engineers. Engineering means applied science. Hence, till last 5y, their undergrad was the flagship. They were not suppose to be too research driven. Now, the idea has shifted to become a full fledged research institute as Indian Govt. is flush with money. So, slowly Masters and PhD is also improving.
Similarly, India needs more quality lawyers, more jurists to support the 140 crore population. See the world Quality. Quality can be provided only by the NLUs and some other Central govt. institutes. So, for inclusive growth, and for building a nation which follows Constitutional morality in her decisions, more legally educated people are needed.
How is this a bad thing?
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Q3. What will my advice be to you?
No one was there to guide me when I started preparing for UPSC. I shitted here and then I shitted there. Wasted time doing mistakes after mistakes. My advice is that if you have so much free time, don't waste it on us. Spend time with yourself. The university, the nation, no one gives one hoot shit about you. Your fests don't mean a thing. Everyone will continue with their lives. NLUs will continue to get applications. Even more in their 3y course.
So, search for Sleepy Classes. Buy it's Rs. 12k full UPSC package and start preparing for UPSC CSE. Complete the prelims syllabus before your 5 years end. This way you will have an edge once you enter job market and think of cracking civil services. Remember, you won't be fighting people like us, you will be fighting IIT B and IIT Delhi top rankers. Do you really think the topper of your class who went to IIT was not capable enough to crack CLAT? He/She chose not to.
So, mug the content. Solve the Vision IAS test papers and ratofy the solutions. Be iron ready. Aage aapki marzi.
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Lastly, it takes guts to say no to a 1y MBA, leave your job, and sacrifice time to get a law degree later in life.
I will live my life. You will live yours. You will continue posting shit here and get some kicks, I will move on. The 3y students will move on. Your time, energy and emotions will be wasted which you could have used in reading Vision IAS current affairs magazine and later, serving lakhs of underprivileged communities through your ethical decisions.
Anyway, all the best! Aage aapki marzi. Continue posting shit here. I hope I have helped at least 1 person.
The Moot Court Committee is elated to announce that the team representing National Law University, Jodhpur has emerged as Winners at the 21st Willem C. Vis (East) International Commercial Arbitration Moot Court Competition, 2024 held at Hong Kong from 10-17th March, 2024. We are delighted to announce that they are the first team from the University to have won this competition!
The team, comprising Ms. Ananya Deshpande, Ms. Ananya Jaria, Ms. Disha Gandhi, Ms. Kavya Gupta, and Ms. Samiksha Lohia, also emerged as Winners of the Permanent Court of Arbitration Singapore Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Singapore, where Ms. Ananya Jaria won the Best Individual Oralist Award and Ms. Disha Gandhi won the Second Best Oralist Award. Additionally, the team also won the First Runners Up Award for the Best Claimant Memorandum at the AIAC – APAC Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, organised by the Asia International Arbitration Centre. Further, the team also emerged as Quarter Finalists (Round of 8) at the 13th Indian Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Jindal Global Law School Sonipat, Haryana.
The team was coached by Mr. Karan Himatsingka, Ms. Lahar Jain, Mr. Sarthak Malhotra, Mr. Akhil Chowdary Unnam, Ms Puloma Mukherjee, Ms. Simran Bherwani, and Ms. Vipashyana Hilsayan.
We congratulate the team on this outstanding performance!
The National Law School of India University (NLSIU), Bangalore, is deeply shocked and saddened by the sudden and unexpected demise of one of our students, Mr. Dhruv Jatin Thakkar.
Dhruv was a first year student of the B.A. LL.B programme and hailed from Mumbai. He was a warm and compassionate person, and a bright and diligent student, well-liked by his peers and faculty.
The NLS community stands in solidarity with his grieving family and friends in this period of deep sadness. The University staff are working closely with the authorities and extending all support to his family members. We request all members of the community to respect the privacy of the family at this time.
As a mark of respect, the University will suspend all classes for the remainder of the week. We request all members of the NLS community to come together for a condolence meeting in the Old Academic Quadrangle at 11AM on Friday 22nd March, 2024.
The University welfare support service and counselling services are available to anyone in the community who needs to reach out.
He meant awful. Why should citizenship be selectively given based on religion is the first question. The second is that they did a very shoddy job with the rules, leaving tons of ambiguity in it, which is now hindering even their own populist purposes before the election.
The top 7 colleges have almost identical placements, with NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, and NLUD being the ones to aim for. Even if you end up at GNLU, NLUJ, or NLIU, it should still be worthwhile. However, how can you be so sure that you are suited for corporate law, law school is very different from what students imagine it to be. Even within these institutions, you need to be in the top 10-20% to live a stress free life.
Hi, we’ve had some really smart people come in through this category as well. I do not think you’ll face any meaningful discrimination on this count. Hope you recover soon and have a fantastic time at NLUD.
Relax guys. It is not an impending disaster if one faculty member is leaving, even if he is widely considered to be among the best teachers in India for Constitutional Law and Legal Philosophy. He was publicly lobbying for FM to get a third term (which did not happen) and has an old connection with the present NLSIU VC. Let us look at the bright side. SKDR has gone for fresh faculty recruitments since taking over and has added more than 20 teachers in the last one year alone. Many of them are new to the profession and will eventually grow into decent academics. There are also some experienced hands who have come from other law schools. Let us work together to rebuild the institution, instead of ringing alarm bells every month.
First, orient them towards receiving feedback constructively. You could say, "we should review your work, and here's what I think... please understand that this is feedback about the work and not you" or something on similar lines.
Second, stick to feedback about work. No personal attacks.
Third. Direction. Create an actual path and learning schedule to improve them. Can't type? There are websites. Can't read? Read a book/newspaper everyday. Can't speak? Help them join a club.
This is a pivotal moment not just for the intern, but also for you. The impression they carry will remain etched for years, and will also become your market reputation. Take genuine interest in their growth, and they will help you grow.
There are default headings which you cant change like COMPANY, TITLE, FAX.
I just inserted these wherever details change and then change the headings by inserting what i want them to insert. Like DT Name, DT Address, CIN, etc.
Hence changing in one place will reflect wherever youve inserted the document property insertion.
Its a pain setting up. But makes life easier in the long run.
It's has been almost three months now from the date of examination of AIBE XVIII. Result not declared yet. When will BCI act like a responsible authority?
If you are the kind of idiot who looks at CLAT rank of a student instead of their CV and performance while in law school, then that is a clear indication of the fact that you are not in the recruiting team of any top law firm in the country. Nobody can promise a job to any BSc student, just like nobody can promise a job to any BA student. If a student works hard in law school, focuses on academics and co-curricular activities and does the necessary internships showing a desire to learn, then they will be given a job. You come across as an existing student who is feeling insecure, that's all.
I don't think you need to really care about anything except your work. If you're good - that's what's going to matter ultimately. I know ppl who have 6 pack abs and give absolute dumbfucks complex. This is a reflection of their insecurities not yours. Next time someone calls you fat - request them to order you desserts to maintain that "fat" they're making fun of.
There's something called evidence and defamation. Kian or the moderators cannot take that risk so long this platform stays anon. If you want to bypass that, then write about the person on social media and post the link here, that can be allowed.
Feel ▮▮▮ thinking about doing this for the rest of my life. Looking at spreadsheets and documents for hours and hours and hours in a day.
Only good things are family and friends, barely get time to pursue my hobbies, longing for the weekends like a dog and a bone..
What kind of life do we live? I believe in a higher power and I’m sure they pity the lives we have. This isn’t what they meant for us to do. Most days once I’m out of the office I can’t remember where I parked my car, was it on the 1st floor garage? No I parked there last week, why am I remembering that today? Probably because everyday is exactly the same. I still can’t find my car.
Slaving my life away and for what? So these rich assholes can keep getting richer, our bosses and their bosses will get a decent cut themselves, so they keep mum, bragging about how they got to where they are by slaving their youth away, acting like the sun gets closer the more you chase it but really all they were chasing was a dim lamp at midnight, too ashamed to admit they wasted their life away so they compensate by making us waste ours the exact same way.
How about a change of scenery, that would be nice..no, it’s near-impossible to move laterally abroad in this field. Be it a masters degree or headhunting a headhunter, nothing even came close to guaranteeing a chance abroad, not in this job. I knew this would be the case, but that didn’t stop me from pursuing this profession. I wanted to be different. I didn’t want to work in finance like all the other kids in my school.
It’s not too late, I know it can be worse, much worse. I’m switching professions, I’m getting that foreign MBA, regain some youth and maybe waste away working in retail for a bit, get yelled at by some old white woman, mostly because she hates the color of my skin. I think I’ll enjoy studying and working again, making connections till I graduate, starting this same bs cycle again but this time I’ll go much higher. Manager, senior manager, COO, CEO. Hell maybe I’ll even join the board, make the chairperson. Why stop there? I’ll start my own company. Maybe I’ll lose everything I own but maybe, just maybe I’ll win it all. And then they can all slave away for me. The cycle repeats but this time I’ll have a nice padded seat to sit on and handles to hold.
Your thoughts? The war on drugs is a failed American foreign policy experiment. Weed is already rampant in almost every single college campus in India, including all top NLUs.
Why would an Indian criticise the violation of human rights the same way they would do so in India? Are they practising law in Pakistan? Should they have equally high expectation of that military dictatorship as they do of their own democratically elected government?
10. Legal Ghostbuster: You specialize in exorcising legal demons, from contractual hauntings to property disputes. Your motto: "I ain't afraid of no facts!"
On the contrary, we need to strengthen leftist activism within law schools. I would also replace subjects like company law, IPR and arbitration with Law and Poverty, Refugee Law, and Gender and Law. These subjects are more important for the nation. We need lawyers who serve the poor and oppressed, instead of oligarchs like Adani, Ambani, Birla and Jindal.
As you may have already heard or read, Mr. Fali S. Nariman is no more.
This leaves only a handful of his contemporaries who are still alive and practicing.
Given that this would perhaps be the last generation of legendary lawyers who rose up to this stature, I would like the audience to contribute with any of their anecdotes (good, bad, and ugly) which make these legends unique amongst the countless many.
The thread is not limited to celebrating life of Mr. Fali alone.
Request trolls and timepassers to stay away for the sake of creating one good trail of a conversation. Thanks.
As a senior who came from a village into a well known private university, I share your sentiments. I didn’t indulge in hookups, alcohol, cigarettes, non-vegetarian food or smoking up and wasn’t constantly chasing accomplishments in college. But I also did not look down on any of the above. I enjoyed hanging out with people so I participated in organising committees. I looked for people who could enjoy sober lunches and dinner and good food in city restaurants - and asked generally in class if people want to join. I hung out with smokers and had chai while they smoked. I hung out with alcohol enthusiasts and had virgin mocktails and offered cocktail making skills. I had a gala time with a category of intellectuals while they smoked up. You don’t have to hookup if you don’t want it - and you may look for a stable relationship. I accepted people are different and come from different walks of life and emptied my notion of life to learn more about them and there lifestyles. Humans - especially lawyers are lonely creatures. Most are always happy to talks about themselves, provided you don’t make them feel like you are judging them.
Again - you do you. Tier 1 or local government colleges, all have the same environments - you just have a base of accompalished alumni’s to reach out, competitive and ambitious circle of batchmates and promise of decent orgs showing up on campus. If you want to sleep for 7 hours do that. If you do not want to dedicate all your time to different competitions - don’t. If you do not want to pursue a corporate job - don’t. If you want to just focus on academics and relax - do that. Your activities will impact only you and not anyone else.
Only one thing you need to understand and imbibe. Make efforts in anything you finally decide to pursue and strive for excellence in that. You are in India (law school is irrelevant), and you will do fine if you decide to not put in effort or put in effort. But efforts will set you apart - in personal and professional life.
I had a fun college life - no moots, debates, ADR or papers only events and academics. I am doing as well as anyone in my year from best universities. A lot of factors matter in life - once you identify a problem, look for a solution.
I'm interning with the IBC team of a boutique law firm and I've just realised that for whatever reason, whenever I'm given a research assignment; i somehow end up finding out the appropriate judgement through Google much faster than using any of the Legal Databases. Am I just bad at using SCC/Lexis Nexis or is this a function of the practice area where a lot of NCLT/NCLAT Judgements can directly be accessed via Google?
Some questions based on this article, from my perspective as an assistant prof at a small, private, law school in the South:
1) How bad is the regulation by the Bar Council of India (BCI), and is poor regulation the primary reason behind the prevalence of low-quality law schools in India? Or is it merely that the majority of students in smaller, lesser-known law schools lack a specific interest in law, enrolling primarily for the ease of obtaining a graduation degree, often a minimum requirement for many government jobs? So who is really to blame for the poor quality of indian law schools, the BCI or the students who have no interest in holding their institutions and professors to account.
2) Is the call for increased emphasis on 'research' in law schools, beyond Tier 1 NLUs, JGLS necessary? Considering that a vast majority of law school students aspire to work as in-house lawyers, practice as litigators, or join the government as civil servants, how beneficial is it to impose extensive 'research' requirements on these students? Furthermore, in my experience, 'research' at most law schools in India is little more than copying from already published articles on the topic and paraphrasing using chatgpt.
Why I believe more research must be conducted by Tier 1 NLUs, JGLS, etc is solely because of necessity; I do believe that legal research is important, and thus, some law schools have to carry it out. So, why not promote it primarily in the best law schools to maximize the efficiency of legal education as a whole?
PS: I am not implying that students from non-Tier 1 law schools cannot conduct valuable research; they most certainly can. What I am questioning is the productivity of spending money to sponsor research in those NLUs when better results can likely be achieved elsewhere. Of course, the argument of dispersing funds and therefore academic quality is valid, as most states would want their NLUs to provide good opportunities for their students.
I remember when I was in school, often during periods when class was cancelled, I would sit in class and daydream. Slide into my own world. Or maybe think of about some incident that had happened and rewind it in my brain to rethink how else I could have handled it.
In school/ colleges, “daydreaming” is looked down upon as it’s considered a waste of time. Seniors considered that maybe in that time the student could get so much more done. Hustle and don’t waste a single moment was the common refrain.
Since joining a law firm - your mind is constantly racing - there’s hardly any time to day dream. Instead it is replaced with stress, anxiety,
and a constant need to achieve efficiency in work.
Do you ever think - maybe our minds need a period of rest, when we can just be and not think about getting some work done. Maybe daydreaming is good for our mental health?
As a first generation university degree holder from a primarily agricultural family from Punjab that most of you believe to be full of rich farmers I can say this -
1. On average a farming household makes Rs. 10000 per month per acre.
2. Around nine-tenths of farmers hold less than 4 acres of land in the country. In monetary terms, around Rs. 40000 per month.
3. This amount is not available monthly as the money only comes in at the end of a crop cycle.
4. With an average crop cycle of 4 months, the majority of the farmers make Rs. 1,60,000.
5. This amount is not really ‘income.’ It is revenue generated.
6. Part of it is reinvested in procuring seeds for the next cycle.
7. Another part of it goes towards paying ‘farm help.’ This is needed, at a minimum, to quickly reap the crop upon ripening and get it to the market before any unseasonal rain destroys it. Usually, the ‘help’ is in form of extra hands. Sometimes, combine harvesting machines.
8. Another part of the revenue generated goes towards repaying loans on things like tractors or submersible pumps (needed to irrigate the crop). These are loans that are occasionally waived by governments. However, till they are we do end up accounting for them from our revenue.
9. Another part of the revenue is used towards getting pesticides needed to keep the crop healthy over the next cycle. These are ones that are subsidized. But, we do pay for the part which isn’t subsidized.
10. Having removed all these costs from the revenue of Rs. 1,60,000 for every 4 month cycle, we are left with the ‘income’. This is not a single person’s salary like the one you guys get. This is the household’s income. The Indian government pegs it at 4 people.
11. Ab woh 80000/90000 per 4 months for 4 people comes to an income of around Rs. 5000/6000 per person per month. Kya dein isme se?
12. Lathi khaane ke baad doctor ka kharach isi mein se nikalta hai.
13. Namak, cheeni aur tel si basic cheez bhi yahin se aati hai.
14. Gai bhains ka kharacha bhi yahin se. If we don’t keep and tend to them, then milk and milk products ki cost padti hai.
15. My parents saved so much out of this to send to university. Couldn’t go a NLU like most of you because we never had the means to pay for it.
Bahut mehnat se iss zindagi bahar nikaala hai parents ne kyunki koi future nahin hai. Aur aap mein kuch isse ‘best career option’ samajhte ho. Sharam karo ki apne desh ke kisaan aur kisaani ke baare mein itna kam malum aur itni choti soch rakhte ho.
In light of the recent events that transpired on the University campus, it is imperative to understand the distinction between, being politically aware – i.e., knowing, reading, and understanding your politics, and doing politics – i.e., actively taking steps to propagate your political ideology in a way which is harmful to the social environment and the institutional values. Consequently, while students are encouraged to educate themselves vis-à-vis social, political and cultural issues, exhibiting your beliefs in any manner which is detrimental to the beliefs of others is absolutely prohibited. This is essential to fully take advantage of the egalitarian spaces made available on the University campus, which are meant to cater to the entire marketplace of ideas, and not to a few ideologies.
While JGU prides itself as an Institution of Eminence for providing safe academic spaces, at the same time we cannot ignore the inherent duty that this casts upon the JGU community for using such spaces in a dignified and responsible manner. This implies that while the academic spaces within JGU celebrate the right to free speech and expression, one cannot turn a blind eye towards the reasonable restrictions that must be upheld to ensure that the freedom of others is not violated. In this light, since its inception, the JGU administration has consciously kept the University space absolutely apolitical to cater to neutral academic discussions that explore all sides of an issue / debate(s).
In this regard, please note that:
1. Students are prohibited from officially associating the University with any political organization, even if such student(s) may be part of these organizations in their personal capacity. This is in sync with the fact that the University would not exercise any control over the actions of its students in their personal capacity, however, it is advisable that students exercise discretion and duty of care while they are within the University campus;
2. Students are prohibited from associating themselves with unofficial and unrecognized organizations seeking to do politics on the University campus, like the Safdar Hashmi Reading Circle, the Revolutionary Students League, and other similar student-groups. Consequently, if students wish to start a society, or student-run groups, then they must seek the approval of the relevant University authority;
3. Students organizing public events, including, but not limited to, public discussions, lectures, reading circles, and audio-visual exhibitions, would have an inherent responsibility of ensuring that they (a) take adequate precautions, including permission from the relevant University authority, to conduct such an event, and (b) do not conduct themselves in a manner that is derogatory of the personhood and participation rights of other University stakeholders, and undermines the safety and tranquillity on the University campus; and
4. Students are prohibited from publicly distributing and/or affixing posters, or other written media, that may be interpreted as disruptive of the safety and tranquillity of the University Campus. Accordingly, it is advisable that students get their posters, or other written media, vetted by the relevant University authority, before making it publicly accessible.
It goes without saying that any contravention of these regulations would be treated as a violation of the JGU Code of Conduct for students (“Code of Conduct”), and the concerned students would face appropriate disciplinary action under Clause 28 of the Code of Conduct.
Additionally, the violation of these regulations, in certain cases, may also constitute the violation of the law of the land, including the Indian Penal Code, 1860, and other laws preventing unlawful activities. It is crucial for the students to understand that in case they end up violating the law of the land, it would be difficult for the University authorities to provide any assistance to such students. Consequently, it is of paramount importance that the students understand the objective behind these regulations, and follow them diligently to ensure their own personal safety.
We seek your support in safeguarding and upholding the core institutional values of JGU. Thanking you for your assistance and cooperation.
Brother there are examples of NLU students graduating at 26 or 27. Some great answers have been written on legallyindia.com by them. I suggest please google those answers by relevant keywords and decide for yourself. Don't listen to people doing age shaming on this thread. There are multiple factors at play here.
Graduating at 26 and making it to a T1 law firm is still much better than someone who bothered about age and graduated pristine young at 23 but from a Tier 3 local law school and still after 4 years not being able to get into a T1 law firm or get any good job for that matter. There are several factors at play, I suggest you research and find what is most applicable in your scenario. Exceptionally talented people with the right internships and right contacts can make it into T1 even if they are from local law schools.
Nope, brother. It is not economically viable for a salaried law firm partner to buy a 50 lakh car. In a city like Mumbai, 12 years PQE gives you the opportunity to save a corpus of 1.5 crores at max, provided you compromise a lot on luxurious lifestyle and foreign vacations. Spending 50 lakhs from that savings is utterly stupid and beyond recovery in a place like Mumbai where you’ll have family responsibilities and a home to purchase. Most salaried partners start at 80LPA which comes down to around 65-70LPA post taxes which is not enough to cover the EMI payments for such cars. Therefore, based on the general trend in lawfirms, Creta/Seltos/Verna is the most preferred choice among salaried partners with few exceptions going for a higher segment like Harrier, XUV, Thar. It is only the equity partners who can barely manage to afford an entry-level luxury car. It is not a norm in lawfirms for partners to drive around in luxury cars. Sorry to burst your bubble kids.
It’s very simple. What would you look back at with happiness? Obviously fun in alto. It’s human psychology to want what you don’t have. People who are saying money > time are probably students. Those saying time > money are probably rich and busy.
Using someone else’s template is a bad idea, given the reason that you have to tailor your mail according to the requirements of each firm. But, still, you can follow this structure for drafting your mail -
Dear XYZ Sir,
[Greet the recipient]
[Introduce yourself. Specify the team, location and dates for the internship]
[Give reasons as to why you are applying in the team/firm and what you like about the team/firm. Specify a publication by the partner or a deal that they have worked.]
[Next, talk about how your experiences is fit for the internship. Talk about your previous internships, moots & publications that are relevant for the position you are seeking.]
[Conclude by saying you are hoping to work and contribute to their team]
This, and instead of thinking of it like a grilling session, treat it as you would treat a conversation about something you like and are well informed about.
When you don't know something at all, try reasoning it from first principles. Be frank. Tell the judges that you are not able to assist them with the exact authority on the issue at that moment. Then tell them what you think the answer should be and explain your reasoning.
Try not to be too evasive. Some people don't like it and will then try and pin you down till they make you admit that you don't know the answer.
You don't have to sound aggressive or dominant. Try and sound sure, certain, and self-assured. For that, anticipate lines of questioning like the above comment advises.
I really got into preparing a full speech after doing a few moots. Of course, I never read out from the speech but it helped to have a clear frame of reference in mind of what the rest of my speech looks like. This was a personal preference and might not work for you. All the best!
As an A0 is it a good idea to tell people you are feeling overwhelmed within few months of work? Should one tell their partners/PAs/SAs that they plan on leaving if the work doesn’t get better? Or should I play it smartly and not create an impression that I can’t hack it?
My client had me working non-stop for over 10 days on a 100-page NCLT Oppression and Mismanagement Petition (which is being filed by another lawyer), and I billed him INR 2 lakhs for the work. This client and I must have clocked at least 7 all-nighters together- to pull this off. I also handled another case, got a good order, and charged 35K. Despite daily legal advice calls (which come to this date), I've only been reimbursed expenses and received 20K last Saturday for my services. Have been short-paid by over INR 2.10 Lakhs. It's demoralizing. How do I talk to my neighbor-client about this, and keep things friendly?
I am Ezhava (currently an OBC caste). And Ezhavas technically fall within ambit of Dalits. Dalits in this context means outcastes. In most of India, outcastes still earned extremely badly and had very low social representation at time of Mandal Commision. Hence most outcastes were legally classified as SCs.
However in Kerala, the financial status of Ezhavas rose up because of various factors including mass social reformation movements, missionary education, legal reforms opening up newer business avenues, etc. And finally when we got our first CM( R.Shankar) from the community, we were declassified from SC and made into OBCs.
Hi - really hard to have a conversation on this forum. Please email. My contact details are on Linkedin. Brief responses:
1. Hiring process: Hiring is through internships. I'm taking one or two interns a month. They work with me closely and are selected on the basis of a technical round. All internships are assessment internships. All internships are eligible to a stipend (see above). That being said, I'm not planning to hire in huge numbers (only hiring 2 freshers in 2024, for eg.) so there's a one in 12 chance (maybe less than that) that internships will convert.
2. Pay Scale: 20% discount to Tier 1 scales. We are in the process of mapping what that means based on LI and other data. Let's speak - I recognise the importance of pay transparency so there are no unwelcome questions/ interventions.
1. but do read arbitration laws of the place you are going to be based out of for eg. Singapore/ London (seat of the jurisdiction matters, they wont really ask but just to have a better understanding)
2. know arbitration principles - separability/ competence competence, etc.
3. study the arbitration act fully - you can watch youtube videos on the same.
4. read on landmark judgment - group co, stamping of arbitral award
5. make a word doc and summarize your understanding of these concepts there for easy remembrance.
6. for better intellectual acumen/ understanding you can also watch SIAC videos and similarly other videos of law firm partners relating to arbitration.
7. subscribe to arbitration newsletters
8. can follow/ read kluwer arbitration blog and other blogs of similar stature, etc.
2. Yes I am setting up independently and will be focusing on international tax and private client work going forward.
3. Yes I am actively looking to hire, particularly if you love direct tax or are good generalists. Interns with the above profile are welcome also, but I’m only taking one or two a month. Feel free to look me up on LinkedIn for contact information + ask folks who’ve worked with me before if you’d like feedback. I’d like to think I run happy teams.
4. I’m currently pegging pay scales at a 20% discount to Tier 1 scales and interns get a 10K stipend per month. Again, pls ask if you’d like to know. Pay related questions are important and I’m happy to be upfront about them.
Mods, please make sure to clear this and feel free to get in touch if you need to verify that it’s me. Thx
Surprised to see no discussion on LI about this? This place seems to be only concerned with with salary and law firm talks nowadays. Lets see how well can LI engage discussions on actual law.
To give some context, I don’t hate Kolkata but again at the same time I don’t feel that there is a huge difference in terms of placements between these two colleges. Plus my father is a well-experienced lawyer in the Bombay high court and has good contact with certain tier-2 law firms in the Mumbai circle. Please help me get over this dilemma. I know it’s selfish to ask the moderator to feature this over all other posts, but after cracking nujs I am still figuring out what to do. Kindly help.
The duty of a judge in the ICJ is not to parrot the foreign policy adopted by his parent country. That's what diplomats are there for. People who follow this government blindly have a stroke anytime someone refuses to tow the party line, even if that happens in course of duty.
Let's also extend this principle beyond temples. No reason Indian property law should have a temple exception. After all, what India really needs is for all current land titles to be challenged on centuries old claims
That's not what he meant by the question. He meant to ask whether lawyers of UK/US/1st world countries earn lesser than doctors/engineers/managers/consultants, etc of UK/US/first world countries
You should be very very proud of yourself! Whether you make it to NLS to NLU Sonipat, it’s just a college- and it depends on what you make of it. You have spent a lot of time working hard on CLAT and have made it into an NLU, you don’t have to compare yourself with anyone else except your old self. Be proud of your hard work.
All the best! Hope to see you in the legal circuit soon.
(Admin, in light of some really stupid stuff that is posted on the site on a daily basis, please let us know why is this not being posted? It is for the community to accept, not accept or critique a post and not by you. We should celebrate small law school victories, and this is no one less than CJI. You can remove the bracketed part of course.)
If some senior or Partner is reading this post, can you consider helping this fellow? Mod maybe you can feature this comment. Given the circumstances, I'm sure this person will give his/her 100 percent and is definitely hardworking
Mid-July is the time for GNLU, NUJS and NLUJ. Okay now see, you don’t have to wait much after the fifth list as Some nlus do update their rank on websites (like NLIU, HNLU) and some websites don’t (Like NUJS, MNLU). Either way, you will get a mail offer to pay the amount within a very small amount of time. So y’all will join college anyway by august.
Hi, so barring all the other contests that have already started, yes for NRI- go for NLUJ with close eyes. You can try out NLIU too as the fee will be less there but well NLUJ is dope. And as for the NRI rankings this year, you have a good chance of getting in the first or the second list itself on May. But if you take a general college, then there’s no problem anyway. Stick with it. All the best for NLUJ
First of all, no one is gonna downvote you. Secondly you will aaram se get into all of these if your NRI-S rank is within 550. You have it around 200-300s maybe. So yes. In vacancies toh kaafi logo ko milta hein.
Now time for the main talk, NLUJ as a NRI-S category will be much better. The fee is the least plus you have two instalments to pay the amount. Nujs NRI-S honestly won’t be that good. Being from the college itself, if you are getting a seat here as a general candidate then it might have made sense. GNLU is a good option after NLUJ.
Now, if you are availing loan, then I am sorry, you should avoid this NRI-S category. Because the amount is humongous (another reason to avoid nujs and gnlu). Take whatever general NLU you are getting and retake clat if it makes sense. You may find it difficult to even repay your loans. And I am not talking about 2-3 years. It may sound harsh but this is the reality. In any year, if you have to start the loan, then you are in danger. Avoid.
support how? most people here cannot vote in american elections? what will any of us do? pray on it? argue with internet trolls? surely there are better things to do.
Can we please take a step back and try to make this forum a little bit useful instead of the hundreds of useless hateful and toxic comments flooding the page?
1. Nobody other than someone who is studying in a particular law school is aware of the pluses and minuses of the place, nor any clear knowledge about how its faculty are. Not even the specifics about the placement scene anymore, since most law schools don't release any official stats. At the most, they can have a general, vague idea. Therefore, people may talk about the good points of their own universities when someone asks for info. Not about how it is better than anyplace else, because they do not, simple. Most of the time, the posts are seeking info. So provide them with that, not random opinion. Talk about moots won, jobs secured, research project deets that are not readily available, hostel scenes, but keep it to your own uni for God's sake. You are not an expert on others, not even you have 'supposedly' heard about them from your friends. Let those friends talk about their own place, I am sure people from every university visits this forum occasionally.
2. These X NLU v. Y NLU posts are inane. Of course, some of them are written by CLAT aspirants genuinely trying to reach a decision. In that case, they need facts, not your conjecture. Quit turning these into a measuring contest.
3. Equally stupid are these X job v. Y job superiority posts. They serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever other than for trolls stroking themselves. If adult readers cannot understand that one cannot and should not compare a law firm job with a judiciary post, or an UPSC job with a management post, then they have got no business studying law or any professional discipline.
4. The trolls who keep egging readers to quit law and do MBA should just leave this place and frequent MBA forums instead. This is Legally India, not Managing India, last we all checked.
5. There is hardly any deal that is discussed here anymore, legal industry developments, issues about which law students can present a united front, basically, anything useful. Such a colossal waste of potential!
6. Even the political matters that are discussed are about chest thumping between Bhakts, Libs and Wokes and other -ism followers, rather than measured and intelligent discussion. Half of those are baits and propaganda anyway.
Mods and Admin, please either sequester the posts based on category even if you want to allow the drivel mentioned above, so that the few remaining readers who wish to use this forum to help people genuinely needing it can do so, or else just admit that this is just a troll infested dungheap now.
Hello OP, I wouldn't call myself the best person to give advice on this but here's what I have learnt from one of the kindest mentor I had the opportunity to intern under :
1.Case laws should be as recent as possible and ideally the research Q / statement should be affirmed by the SC or HC of the state you are working in, if not the same state then 3-4 HCs affirming the point is sufficient.
2. Coming to finding case laws, it takes time tobecome good at finding relevant and strong case laws in a short span of time but with practice you'll be good to go.
1.Start by reading up on the basic law surrounding the proposition in case you aren't familiar with the same and then start by typing out the research statement in the form of a question. You'll find articles on the sub topic where you are likely to find some case relevant to you. Eg (sorry for the basic example) : Research proposition is : A mentally insane person cannot be charged with murder. Figure out the law in place (IPC). Next, type can an insane person be charged for a crime - you'll get articles on insanity as a defence and subsequently find case laws that were referred to in the article. Put that one case law on SCC, ensure it hasn't been overruled and you'll be able to find more cases affirming the case law as well.
3. You can also try directly typing the research statement on manupatra / SCC / Indian Kanoon and find something in case you are lucky. Although with Indian kanoon ofc, cross check the case in SCC and never link the Indian Kanoon case when passing on their research.
4. If no avail, you can refer to commentaries on the particular law and find cases.
5. Another place is to read the submissions made by the advocates in a judgment of a case related to your provision. You will most likely get a few case laws used by either side to prove the point that you are trying to make.
1. NLS nikal le. You might, might get into good law firms and then earn money. Very difficult (around 40 Open seats for General Non Karnataka Male). I don't think DU LLB has any placements. It is good, but, job-wise, I don't think so. Most people who are there are actually preparing for CSE and do it side by side.
2. MPP in USA me ghus ja. Waha pe 1st year ke baad, top univ me dual degree ka bhi option aata hai. But, give the LSAT before hand. It is comparatively easier, as they have to take some dual degree people. JD Degree is valid in India (I think).
3. NLU O also has started their 3y program. Apply there.
Dream route -
4. J-PAL type (under Prof Esther Duflo or Prof Abhijit Banerjee) evidence-based policy making or Yale Inclusion Economics India centre me ghus ja. Kaam kar 5y. Rise through the ranks. Get good recommendations from foreign Profs (Yale has Stanford Profs too). Now apply to Harvard Kennedy School. Get in. Now after 1st year apply to Dual Degree in law.
And finally become a Harvard JD wala Lawyer. Some people from DU have done it. Search on Linkedin, HLS, HKS.
We keep them at bay. We don't include them in most of the things. We will never give position of responsibility to them in any student run committee. Though our VC will push us to give them positions and include them, they cannot get it due to technicalities involved. For e.g., to be a convenor of any society you need 4 years of experience, and we don't appoint anyone as convenor in their final year. LLB peeps will have at best 2 years of experience.
We have created a tactic agreement among ourselves (5 year UG course) to shun them off diplomatically and never let them feel the same. Saanp bhi kar jaayega, aur laathi bhi nhi tutegi.
Regarding placement, our college can't even place people from 5 year batch properly, 3 year is a distant dream.
Moreover, most of these 3 year chaps are stupid at core, they have nothing in their academic life and have pathetic inter-personal skills, so they themselves can't survive the competition in placements from 5 year UG course.
NLUs/Stephen's/SRCC/IIMs/IITs are not "good" because they have exceptional faculty, infrastructure, or resources. It's only because they take in filtered students who are likely to do well even without the university. That's precisely how selectivity helps them retain their brand value. Network is all that matters in this case. Mr. Shamnad Basheer too had discussed this aspect in one of his lectures on YouTube.
Ashoka recently got a ₹250 crore donation. It has done what none of the state NLUs can do, and yet our NLU fanboys and girls on this platform find excuses on why state NLUs cannot do that, and how Ashoka is leveraging its connections to get such donations. The fanboys and girls will just not accept that state NLUs are simply unable to do well and the NLUs' best days are behind them, their downslide has already begun.
I recently answered this in a thread last week I guess. Oh yeah the thread is there already above. Go blindly for nuals. NRI-S won’t be worth it for NLUJ. Trust me. If your plan is to do corporate for five years especially, then nuals will be anyway satisfying cause the corporate placement is good there too.
I can vouch for this. My NRI-S rank was around 622 last year and I made it into at least tier-1 NLUs but in June end. So you kinda have to wait, but the seat will pass on.
Since this thread has not been closed yet, I hope my answer is published. You have to understand that by May all the colleges take your NRIS docs and verify your application. The merit list of NLUJ shows the list till 1445. But in reality a lot of folks can’t end up affording the seats/ or their application gets rejected, plus they just don’t want it- so the seat passes on. If you verified yourself in the merit list, then you would get a mail which is easily the most transparent process. To save time and expedite the admission process (so that candidates start classes before the deadline), colleges start offering the seats to the candidate next in the list and don’t update them at the same time. Some colleges do. Like NLIU. Like HNLU. Even MNLU Mumbai didn’t update their list last year. What happened? They launched a vacancy notification in October. Last year a NRI domicile candidate got till 5.5 k in nujs in the merit list itself. So there was no vacancy notification. NLUJ closed till 3k. What my point is that don’t solely base your hopes on the website list. Colleges at the end just don’t update their respective lists. And it’s not only case of NRI-S rankings, it happens in case of general seats too. They may mail you and can update later.
You will of course learn on the job. I am a junior practicing lawyer and am intimidated by the more senior members of the bar. The only way to learn is to start arguing- whenever an opportunity arises and however scary it seems. You don't need to land significant cases to learn court craft. Arguing a basic surrender application, a transfer petition or a simple notice/ admission matter would be a good starting point. Make contacts with other lawyers, college seniors and their friends. A lot of lawyers actually like allowing junior lawyers to argue their low-stake matters (without any monetary incentives at times). Also, when you are a younger member of the bar, the judges are also more likely to give you more leeway. Every time you see good senior and even younger lawyers argue, see how they navigate the bench and answer questions. If you choose to go into litigation you will get this opportunity naturally. The most important skill for any practicing lawyer is the ability to read a bench- which can only come over time. Knowledge and technical expertise on the other hand are a life-long learning thing- which can't be taught be seeing others argue. In any case, most people learn these skills over time. It is up to you, how willing you are to learn them. Best of luck!
Being a dropper myself, I understand the circumstances, situations and self conflict one has to go through sometimes in facing this exam. It's not all flowers and rainbows as some make it seem. It is completely okay if you are a 1,2 or 3 year dropper if it something you're really passionate about and care to achieve. The gap years will teach you a lot, building a resume and interning is not something we have the resources or the best insight to look at this stage in life. So it is totally fine to be a dropper. You are doing great and you will fare well.
Wishing everyone on this forum, a Happy New Year. I know this may be tough, it may be impossible, it may seem difficult. But remember, this is life. There will be more downs than up. There will be more failures than success.
Don't surrender yourself around people who treat you badly. Know your worth. You are smart, believe it. You are strong, believe it. You are worth it, believe it. Just keep doing what makes you passionate. What makes you happy, do it. People are pathetic, they once dreamt of things and failed to achieve it and therefore discourage you. Yet you have to realise you are not them, you will succeed. You will overcome all the challenges in front of you. It's cause you believe in you.
Things maybe tough today. With studies, jobs, work, family, relationships. But believe in yourself. You will get through them. Just remember to have your set of morals and follow them to the T. Stay true to your standards that you've set for yourself.
Hope this year you give your best, don't worry about the rest. As long as you know you're giving your best, you should not fret, keep moving on and push yourself better than the limit.
Love only three things this year. I, me and myself !
Let's help each other to be a better version of ourselves. Peace out ✌🏽
I recently secured a PPO at a good law firm. My advice to you is as follows-
1. Always be dressed perfectly. Don’t look too nerdy as well. It is psychological that people want to talk more to people who dress nicely but not to those who wear blazers and shit to office.
2. Don’t act like a know-it-all kid. If you don’t know how to do a certain task assigned to you, it’s better to ask your assignor right there and then.
3. Make your expectations clear from day 1. If you’re looking for a call-back and a possible future, make it clear to the firm and ask them what all do they expect from you.
4. Always ask for deadlines whenever getting work from someone and turn the work in before the hard deadline.
5. Don’t be creepy to anyone or trying to be extra friendly to your superiors.
6. Don’t be too much on your phone in the office, scrolling reels or playing games. If you’re free then ask for work from everyone and even if no one gives it to you, read a book from the library.
1. General Banking - This shall include term loan facilitation advisory, due diligence and consortium financing exercises which shall also include 2, 3, 4 and 5; since its a broad umbrella which consists of everything under the sun. Most of the firms have demarcations between GB teams and PF teams, so choose your whatever fits your needs (margins in GB teams are very high unlike PF ones).
2. Project Finance - This shall include churning out O&M agreements, markups on high yield loans for construction, port docketing diligence, seeking regulatory approvals, stressed asset acquisitions and real estate documentation. To outperform in this space, knowledge on real estate and finance shall be of utmost importance. Since very few firms put in quality work with very low margins, avoid it.
3. Fintech - DPDP compliance with specialized financial products of Banks/Fintechs/others and doing filing work for exemptions/mandatory disclosures, vetting joint ventures with technology companies and setting up privacy policy structures from time to time. Margins in this space is high because of a lot of foreign investment into financial companies to set up new schemes/products/credit facilities every now and then. Understanding the interplay between finance and tech will be deemed essential and margins are high in this space.
4. Debt Capital Markets - Although mundane and primarily focus would be on NCD/bond issuances & S4A offerings. The margin involved is very less and not a lot of firms are doing quality work. Thus, it can be avoided from a long term growth perspective.
5. Restructuring - This will include pre litigation and mid litigation advisory on high stake insolvency cases, arbitrations involving recovery of solvency proceeds and debt financing work for structuring the overall capital of companies. Very very low margin and can be avoided from a long term growth perspective.
Hope this adds weight to your question at hand, best of luck!
Is this for real? That's insane, why don't more NLUs adopt this? 15k will make a massive change to a new litigator. It'll at least cover rent. My first year of litigation had to be fully parent sponsored and I know many talented batchmates who didn't have that privilege. Kudos to GNLU
Hi, kindly check the NLU-D website regularly for these basic updates. Kindly resort to this website if there are any further complications. The AILET website is extremely organised/each and every aspect is discussed in full detail, so please don’t spam the site.
Do you sometimes feel that you could have gone the other way of writing the JEE/NEET or a UG followed up by an MBA or something else or are you content with what you took up on your sleeves? Are there days when you feel done with your cubicle? If yes, how do you keep going?
A very good day! Who are you? Where are you from? Where do you work? And how is life working out for you? Also what would be the one advice you would give to the people of the same realm?
I would like to start a thread asking honest opinions, suggestions and recommendations from seniors in the legal profession. Be it practising advocates, founders of chambers, law firm partners and associates, academicians and other experts.
I am writing this especially for graduates from 2022 and 2023 batches (but I hope it helps future batches as well). Being a member of this group and finding myself dissatisfied with how I am doing career wise, I have seen my peers also find themselves in vicious circle of career dissatisfaction. While some are still struggling to start with a stable role, many are headed to large urban places for litigation and law firms jobs. Others are continuing with their judiciary exam preparations and many more say that they would go for Masters. On the obvious part, mental stress, working hours, no good pay and feeling of being disconnected to family run through every answer. While my schoolmates in other professions also continue to survive the journey, they sing the similar song (though many not explicitly say it) that the discontent with their current position is something that haunt them.
Dear Seniors, what would be some positive things that you would like to say to cheer us up. How do we shed our impatience, get going with the uncertainties around us, assimilate and acclimatise more fluidly at workplace and become more caring, responsible and composite towards not just our near ones but people of various backgrounds around us.
They say these are challenging times to be on the planet, with so much going on. And you all have sailed through such challenges and have a knack of dealing with it. Please throw us some light, vent liveliness and walk us through your journey.
Bro CLAT is such an unreliable exam to measure one's Aptitude, that in my batch, people with 14k rank are topping the course, meanwhile people with 1k ranks are getting repeats in end sems. Don't beat yourself. And ignore the 1st years on this platform.
1) You have Laxmi Hotel, Moodee Cafe, Noksh Cafe among other right outside the campus gate.
SDL is like a wedding venue with a pool, most of the alcohol parties are organised there only.
Nearest Market area is Mandore roughly 1Km from the campus gate, you can utilise the campus shuttle bus, Auto or the City Bus to reach there, we have a place called Mandore Garden where you can hang out.
People typically venture into the city to hang out as most of the good cafes and restaurants are there only, roughly 10km from the college. (Old City and Sardarpura)
2) The schedule is hectic, there have been days where I had 10 days of continuous tests and assignments back to back, but it is manageable you will get used to it.
The pattern is roughly like this per law subject:
4 Continuous Assessments along with a CRE (Moot) a project/midterms and a final end-term.
I have noticed changes with the arrival of the new VC, it has roughly been 2-3 months since her arrival, let's give her some time to see the complete results, but one thing is for sure she is much better than Poonam Pradhan Saxena.
3) I would recommend you prefer BBA LLB as BA faculty marks very badly, especially the History faculty, granted the BBA faculty is more strict but the mark disparity is very clear.
As you study BA/BBA till the third year choose wisely as a wrong stream selection will make your life a lot harder.
4) The ASLC has a mentorship program where each fresher receives a mentor from a pool of volunteer 3-5th Year students.
Ragging (As some of my peers like to refer it as Positive Interaction) is quite common and something which the university turns a blind eye to (atleast the Poonam Pradhan Saxena era administration) you can definitely avoid the same just takes a little effort.
But there are some stupid rules created like you cannot walk on the grass, not wear shorts and not hangout in places near the campus etc.(I personally did not follow even a single one, you may choose to follow or not follow the same)
I have kept my preferences in this order. There will be vacant rounds as well. Kindly help me choose out a better option among these two…please
I want y’all to drop opinions based upon placements, foreign exposure and litigation. Mods please mark this thread featured, so as to gain attention. I really need urgent help
Lawyers who are now partners (made partnership recently) who prioritised work over everything else (friends, family, hobbies, exercise and sleep). Do you regret anything? Is it worth putting work over everything else for the first 10 years of your career? Does your personal life recover from the 10 years of de-prioritisation, or given your success, does it matter if your personal life doesn't recover? What does life look like at say, 35 when you place work over everything else in your 20s? Looking for views from people on both sides. Sorry about the rambling question. Bad day.
Ladies and gentlemen, since we are not having a leaderboard anytime soon from LI (and it’s mods), I have decided to start a comparative discussion and series on several tier-1 NLUs and top private universities. This will be a healthy comparative series and it will follow a deliberation on usually two colleges to explore the ‘FUN’ banter. Kindly keep this space non-toxic and the every comparative series will have the code-name ‘The tier-1’ saga in it. To avoid repetition and hatred, a discussion/comparison will be conducted only once a week. This will keep the competitive attitude among tier-1 colleges alive in LI and will also maintain this saga’s anonymous nature.
Best way to learn fintech is to reverse engineer it.
Try out fintech apps read about financial services companies their business, and try to understand how they are doing what they are doing. Some questions to think about, these are just off the cuff.
1. Do they need a license to do this, or is this a partnership with a regulated entity?
2. Why do they need my OTP here?
3. Why do they need to KYC? Why is my Aadhar OTP not enough KYC? Basically try to think in terms of friction point the company will not want to do 1 bit more than it has to under law, so if you see any friction, in terms of OTP/KYC/Account Verification/Disclaimer/Disclosure, it is probably required by regulation and you should try to understand where does it originate from.
4. Some random questions why does this crypto exchange not support crypto withdrawals?
5. Why are there different type of banks what is the difference between cooperative & SFBs?
6. What is the difference between Payment Gateway and Payment Aggregator?
7. How does UPI work? Who is NPCI? What is a PSP/TPAP? What is PPI on UPI?
8. How does Mutual Fund Investments work? What is a Mutual Fund Distributor? What is an Investment Adviser/ Portfolio Manager? You can repeat this for each sectoral regulator (IRDAI, PFRDA, RBI (big daddy), SEBI, IBBI) pick up all the types of licenses they issue and try to understand the what, why and how.
The second best way is to read up on all major fintech issues/debates of the last decade and read and understand the regulation around that topic, at that day and as it stands today. For example FLDG , Digital Lending Guidelines, Payment Gateways-Chinese Loan Scams, Crypto-Chinese Loan Scams, Credit on PPI (Slice Shutdown), RBI hesitance in granting Universal Banking License/PA License (Congrats to Razorpay/Cashfree), RBI rescue schemes (BharatPe, Slice etc. For these topics there are some really good newsletters you can follow, if you read up their archives, and actually pick up the regulations to read and understand that is more than enough. My personal favourites are Fintales by Ikigai & MoneyRules by Setu, however they don't really go back long enough. I think if you search mint archives that is also a good source, I have been following news for some years now so have had the benefit of reading newspapers. Today, there are a lot of good newsletters that cover everything.
The third is just open Mondaq periodically and catch up on all recent updates or minor news.
This idea that bare reading of rules, regulations to learn fintech from scratch is a futile exercise in my opinion, it is boring, and you are unlikely to understand any thing you read. Although once you cover the basics, you do need to exhaustively read all of these regulations/acts etc. which many have listed here, but I would suggest starting from live examples and reverse engineer to reach the applicable law.
A0 - 14L fixed, 2 - 4L variable (think they have hiked this, not sure*)
A1 - 16L fixed, 4 - 6L variable
A2 - 19L fixed, 6 - 8L variable
A3 - 22L fixed, 8 - 10L variable
SA1 - 25L fixed, 10 - 12L variable
SA2 - 28L fixed, 12 - 14L variable
SA3 - 32L fixed, 14 - 16L variable
SA4 - 35L fixed, 16 - 18L variable
MA1 - 44L fixed, 20 - 25L variable
MA2 - 52L fixed, 20 - 25L variable
MA3 - 60L fixed, 20 - 25L variable
These are Mumbai figures but Delhi bills higher at TT&A since GS is seated with all the rainmakers at that side of the turf. Think they keep you hanging at MA since its a glorified Counsel/Junior Partner role; the firm expects you to run the deal being an MA i.e. open any deal on LinkedIn and you will see that the involvement of an MA is more than that of the Associate. That being said, TT&A's culture is something to look forward to with very complex deals, Ex Foreign BigLaw partners and one of the most polished talent pools that there can exist in the Indian market.
Suggest you do a google check on similar posts on legallyindia, before starting a new one. There are a lot of posts on graduating at 25 or 26 from NLUs. If it helps there are always a couple of people who will be a couple of years elder than the rest of the batch.
Very true, also I feel ki a person by his or her efforts can transform herself/himself to a general candidate by retaking clat or just having a good batch rank and get good scholarships. Both of these options are absent in the other two.
Some people here have posted queries about the online LLMs at Columbia, King's etc. Certainly, the courses and profs at such places are better than what one will get in India, while the costs are cheaper than going abroad. Working professionals also have flexibility. But the UGC notification means that such degrees will probably not be recognised here. The Indian government obviously wants to save foreign exchange and promote "Study in India", so they want to make people enrol for online courses in India. They would prefer if one enrols for an online LLM any Jindal or an NLU (those that offer online LLMs)
You may agree or disagree with the UGC's decision, but in view of this development I think people should only enrol for online LLMs in India. If you don't want to spend on Jindal, wait a few years and I am sure all the top NLUs will start one and offer courses at prices cheaper than Jindal.
I see a lot of anxiety as batch of 2024 is about to graduate, especially with respect to placements. I understand that the idea that you might not have a job after 5 years when your parents are waiting in anticipation that if not help them you will be independent enough to take care of yourself is scary. Plus especially if you are not placed while your batchmates have been partying after placements for a year now it is bad in its own ways. Then we ourselves have built an image of us and how our success would look like and to accept that things will be different, it is scary. As a 22 year old I had gone through all these emotions and so I understand.
I may sound preachy and you can dismiss what I say (I would have at your age because how can someone else understand what I am going through, right) but maybe I can help some of you.
I graduated almost a decade back and stupidly decided to not sit for placements but prepare for government exams. Appeared for Civil Services but couldn't clear. In the meantime had to stay alone in dingy houses in Delhi to prepare. During that period I would actively avoid my batchmates, stepped away from all the social media (to avoid seeing their foreign trip) and always wondered if I made a mistake. In the meantime my father's business went bankrupt and whether you belive it or not I had no idea. My parents hid everything while struggling with their financial problem even if that meant selling family jewellery.
After one of my unsuccessful attempts my father told me that I need to get a job for the family to sustain. I was so lost as I was now behind even my juniors and struggled with the idea to join as their juniors while had very limited skill set to consider any other field.
Thankfully at the same time one of my friends was appearing for an exam in which legal positions were also available and to my surprise very few law students appear in it due to low pay (despite what I read here that they are willing to do anything). I appeared and thankfully cleared it. This solved my problem of supporting my family because a family which has seen bankruptcy can survive on very little money. However, I still had batchmates travelling and partying while I had a budget a couldn't deviate no matter what. Soon thereafter I started looking for such exams where law students do not care to appear but with better pay and then moved to it. To my surprise there are so many that did it few times and reached a decent pay.
To my surprise after few years I got approached by headhunters because my skill set were in demand by law firms and soon I moved there. This has been few years and I think now I would like to believe I have done pretty well.
I know it is hard out there and no one should struggle after putting honest 5 years but some of you will have to. However, remember that it is a long career (irrespective of what influencers tell you) and a few years of perseverance will set off all the struggle you will have to have. It is hard but take a break from social media, calm down and make Plan B, C and D. At the end you will have a better story to tell.
the above breakup is very apt for KCO, however there are people who directly make partner post the PA1/PA2 stage since it also depends on how much business one brings to the firm. Else everything is spot on! AZB, JSA and Trilegal pay a few lakhs more as far as bonus components in specific teams are concerned but there is just toooo much micromanagement which happens within most of the teams (which happens only at a select few teams at KCO). Having said that, some teams are very top heavy at KCO and if you survive those at the cost of your personal life, you will be sorted then both - financially and professionally.
Note: I got to know truly lonely people sitting at the top while working at a particular "toxic" team, not judging anyone but some of them are constantly grinding day and night after having "made it" in every metric.
Its a heavy cost you pay for getting to a certain point at Indian Biglaw where you get to choose your poison:
- Every legal opinion getting on Bloomberg, every deal headlining the TOI, clientele meetings at the Oberois and the deep pocket to get that Omega or a German automobile; at the cost of
- Rarely spending time with your family, going back to bed after the 3 AM meeting calls with your foreign client/team and waking up to endless emails; having constant anxiety about the final closing, billing and team management.
The money won't make sense after a point, you turn into a living wreck and eventually make partner. You loved the law while you were at college na? Now you will have emails from your alma matter and curious kids across law schools reaching out for internships and jobs. Thats the point where you will finally realize how time has passed and what it feels like to be on the other side of the table (thats when you deeply understand those group of "lonely people" that you worked for in your junior years and swore to never be like).
Sorry for this long ass reply haha, but I know you get an idea.
Dude, as an NLUD alum, I am requesting you to calm the F down. You don't need to disparage other people or institutions to make ours proud. Moreover, as someone with a single-digit AILET rank (not that I give a damn about it), it is quite cringe to see these juvenile attempts to make it seem like sitting for it and clearing it is a huge achievement and lifelong honour. You and I did it, others cleared other exams and studied elsewhere. Big whoop! It's what you do after getting into law school that matters.
You should calm down. In the real world, fellow NLU grads are fairly nice to one another. It’s the shadow of anonymity that brings out the nasty egotistical side, which is sometimes funny and necessary for objective criticism. This stuff never carries over into the real world. Even non-NLU grads aren’t looked down upon if they are good at their work.
As an NLU alumnus who has been a part of industry and academia, it is just sad to witness this meaningless bickering between students from various NLUs. What they should have done was to learn from each other, as well as from other institutes' best practices, try to implement the same in their own, help other TLCs and private universities and students therefrom in their respective learning and experiences, use the combined strength and camaraderie to address institutional problems. That's what Menon had dreamt of. Instead, we have these inane threads that see hundreds of comments, students bickering like animals, bad blood and waste of time and resources. This anonymous forum has so much potential to do change the legal education scene in the country. Instead, we have hit the doldrums like this. Please work together instead of against each other, the industry is too small and these people are going to be your future colleagues and maybe even friends.
PS: If anyone wants to know how/why I felt excluded, I'll say only this: try to imagine navigating the city, either on foot or by public transport, either on your own or in company, if (1) you were to be completely blind; and (2) you have Cynophobia (have dog/cat phobia) (hint, Bangalore has a street dog problem, whatever its other virtues, also think about street/public transport accessibility).
I used to stay alone, it was a non-negotiable, in my hometown I had my own room, and it was just my grandma and parents. So I took up living in an SRA, I didn't have any furniture, zilch. I used to have one thin mattress, no gas connection, no fridge, no other appliances, 2 plastic plates, 1 bucket. No almirah, Used to live out of 2 suitcases and a laundry bag. I used to hand wash my clothes and iron them. It was a fuck all living situation. I moved out soon to Delhi after 2 years of living that way. Rent was almost half of my pay.
The other major expenses included, taxis, alcohol and cigarettes and food. There were days I had spare change by the end of the month.
I then started obsessively tracking my expenses, it helped me bring in control a lot of my wasteful expenses like swiggy and faasos, taxis and so on. Eventually helped me to build a bit of saving as well. But at the cost of almost no going out with friends, no vacations, no splurging, no entertainment like OTT and so on.
1. You could possibly have 'queue cards'. Little cards or pieces of paper where you have a key word or phrase about each topic or sub-topic you will cover written down. You briefly look at each card during your presentation and it will help jog your memory.
2. Speak in front of a mirror. Time yourself. If you've got a ten minute presentation, make sure you are doing it within ten minutes. Don't rush - by speaking too fast - or slow down too much. Keep on practicing until you can say your lines within the stipulated time-limit with minimal (or no) stumbling or hesitation.
3. Record yourself a couple of times. I have found that the knowledge that I am speaking for a recording is a realistic simulation of what I will feel when speaking in front of lots of people. You'll feel the nervousness and everything. However, if you can breathe, relax your mind and body and speak calmly for the recording, you can do it in front of a live audience.
4. Try summarizing (in the target language, i.e., the language you will be delivering the presentation, English for you) the topic you'll be speaking about to someone who knows nothing about the topic, if possible - a friend or family member who has some level of familiarity with the target language. As a bonus, maybe even do a mock presentation in front of them. Again, this gives you a simulation of what the real thing will feel like. In a good scenario, if your friend or family member is fluent in the target language, they can give you some feedback on your grammar, syntax etc as well afterwards!
it is difficult to prepare a research proposal and do your llm in the same year, so make contacts with the profs at the place where you do your llm and start discussing ideas, base your proposal on the disseration, and show the proposal to some of the indian origin academics who are in your area and ask for comments, there was alist made by some commentators
once you have the proposal ready, send it to all the unis which have pgr scholarships, most russells and plate glasses have half a dozen scholarships each which pay international fees + stipend
What should I do? I still some have his very valuable papers. I know what you all are now thinking and I don't want to be that person. I don't wish to shred them just yet. I just want to do great work and be paid fully and on time.
@Mod: Please allow the comments here as quickly as you can, will be grateful.
Chin up. Apply for another job. Just say - you wanted to try out a new practice area/ field of work. Took a break in between. Don’t bitch about your previous employer during the interview.
Life is about falling and picking yourself back up. Topping in exams doesn’t teach you this. It’s ok.
All the best!
Books:
1. H.L.A. Hart, 'The Concept of Law'.
2. Ronald Dworkin, 'Law's Empire' (maybe also try 'Justice for Hedgehogs').
3. Lon L. Fuller, 'The Morality of Law'.
4. John Finnis, 'Natural Law and Natural Rights'.
5. J. Lear, 'Aristotle: the Desire to Understand'.
Articles:
1. H.L.A. Hart, 'Positivism and the Separation of Law and Morals'.
2. Noam Gur, 'Ronald Dworkin and the Curious Case of the Floodgates Argument'.
3. Kristen Rundle, 'The Impossibility of an Exterminatory Legality'.
*4. Eric Heinze, '*The meta-ethics of law: Book One of Aristotle’s Nicomachean Ethics'.
5. Brian Leiter, 'Legal Realism and Legal Positivism Reconsidered'.
He has not disclosed which magazine/website sent him the mail, but Google shows that a website/magazine called Enterprise World gives an award by this same name:
https://theenterpriseworld.com/sahiba-ahluwalia-a-rising-force/
NOTE: Not suggesting that the lady featured in the link above paid for publicity.
Sorry to say this, but SILF has won this round of the battle as well... despite rules having been made for the entry, no one followed up..
The Indian corporate law firm scene is likely to remain the same. Space currently occupied by the old ruling families will be ceded to new age gangs of boys, who will be no different. So sit back and try and enjoy the ride
ps- please note that all my previous internships have been general corporate or Banking Finance related.
Wondering what avenues/ opportunities are open for me and worth exploring.
Favour with your candid views and suggestions from various perspectives.
Chennai as a city has the lowest fresher corp law pay across India.
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/266717-highest-paying-law-firms-in-chennai
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/311680-meaningful-reviews-of-bangalore-and-chennai-based-offices-please-no-tier-restrictions-etc-if-you-know-either-of-a-great-place-or-of-a-major-red-flag-to-be-avoided-do-tell
If you're interested, please say hi with your username (with a posting history of comments, preferably) and let us know which side you would want to join (dark or light) and why.
BUT, there has to be an order to things. Focus on being good/ indispensable in your work. I dont know what hair band you use or how you other wise dress - long hair cant be an excuse to look shoddy. Someone wearing red pant and green shirt (no matter howsoever formal looking and branded) will be asked to revisit his wardrobe.
Your question was a bit free-flowing (as if no one ever had this idea of keeping long hair during job), hence I believe the initial negative feedback. No one gives a crap how you keep your hair. Just dont end up losing your job because of this. In life, you will face situations where you will have to give up (hard earned) things that will be more valuable than hair. So, I guess, just take a chill pill for now, grow your hair, push your boss back a bit, then tell us in 6 months what happenned. Sounds good?
Current status: 6 years, 14 hearings, still no hearing on substantive arguments by counsels. But at least some progress, so a decision by 2030 is possible, perhaps even earlier. Interesting that the survivor is not giving up but continuing to fight.
- You need patience in this space. Starting salaries are low but will go up with time. Don’t be depressed early on if you get low pay. I myself am an example. Thought I don’t earn as much as a CAM corporate partner, it’s still very good pay. I started by earning peanuts.
- The top lawyers and law firms in this field survive entirely on foreign clients. Indian clients are 🤮 both in terms of work and billing. If you happen to be in a firm which advises mainly Indian clients, that’s not a good firm! Many small boutique firms have very good foreign clients. Join them.
- The future if this field is tech. Tech. Tech. Tech. You must keep yourself up to date with the latest developments in this space and get to know about the tech itself.
- Finally, just like in corporate law, there are some law firm owners who unfortunately are oligarchs in this practice area: keeping salaries low, promoting nepo kids and making no investment in continuing education and training. If foreign law firms come in they will hopefully fade away.
Whether I should still go for it and try my luck?
1) The IP practice in India is dominated by boutique IP firms who operate primarily in cities that have a branch of the IP office or a High Court that regularly takes up IP matters (typically Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, Kolkata). These boutique law firms are involved in the bulk of prosecution work, which is the bread and butter of any IP lawyer.
2) A pure IP practice can be classified into three major areas - prosecution, litigation and transactions. Prosecution pretty much relates to all IP filing work (including responding to office actions, opposition proceedings) and corresponding advisory work. This accounts for a bulk of income for IP firms. Litigation, naturally, relates to IP disputes. Most firms work straightforward cases related to trademark, copyright or patent infringement. Since IP is still growing in India, complex cases involving various questions of law usually go to a few boutique firms who have a history of doing good IP litigation work (such as Anand, Remfry, Singh, Saikrishna etc.). These offices are primarily based in Delhi due to the IP Division having judges such as Pratibha Singh, who were former IP lawyers and have a deeper understanding of IP law. Transactional work is available with very few firms, but typically involves drafting and negotiation of agreements (licenses, assignments, co-existence agreements, JV agreements etc., that are IP centric). Such work is also very sector specific, with firms such as ANM Global, Khimani etc. dominating the M&E industry and regularly making production, artist agreements.
3) A few full-service law firms (T1 and T2) such as Khaitan, AZB, SAM and now CAM have fully functional IP teams. However, these firms (barring Khaitan) do not do a lot of prosecution work due to the clerical nature of work, and abundance of competitors who are willing to do such work for much lesser fees. These firms typically work on IP transactions (assisting M&A teams with IP portion of transactions), negotiating IP agreements and allied agreements for larger clients. They also tend to do a lot more advisory work across IP and allied fields. The IP team in AZB, for example, also handles a lot of pharmaceutical regulatory work whereas Khaitan seems to be doing a lot of technology related and advertising regulatory work. Can't comment on SAM, and CAM has recently started an IP team so not too sure about the kind of work they do.
4) Breaking into a boutique firm is SIGNIFICANTLY easier than joining a full-service firm with an IP team.
5) Ideally, one should always be very clear with IP prosecution before venturing into other areas of IP (including litigation or transactions).
6) The industry is slowly (but surely) becoming more sensitive towards IP as a practice area. This is also evident with the increased involvement of IP and Tech teams on commercial deals (go check any deal reporting by major law firms and see IP partners who have assisted such deals). However, understand that as a practice area, IP is very very concentrated and there is an over-availability of lawyers. If you wish to succeed and make it to the top (which is where the money is, unfortunately), you need to have a very deep industry / sector understanding, along with experience in allied fields such as TMT, Data Protection and Privacy etc.
7) Hours are not, as others claim, "chill". This is completely dependent on the firm you work for, and the quantum of work they have. This is especially true if you're working for a fullservice firm's IP / TMT team. Due to the smaller team sizes, the quantum of work often gets overwhelming.
8) Money, especially in early phases, is significantly lower than Corp Teams unless you manage to break into a Tier-1 firm. (Do your research about differential pay here too).
9) If you're interested in pure IP work, join a boutique firm. No better place to learn and do only IP work. Personally, felt that such work was very mundane and wanted to have a taste of all work under IP and related fields, thus chose to join a T1 full-service firm. Work is fun, regularly get to work across sectors including M&E, Pharma, Tech. This means work isn't purely IP, but also a lot of compliance, advisory and regulatory work.
10) DO YOUR RESEARCH about the kind of work the firm does. Boutiques may also place you in over-specialsed and demarcated groups such as 'prosecution' team, where you may be stuck doing purely IP prosecution. While you gain immense expertise in the prosecution field, I feel like you shouldn't limit yourself to only one area, especially as a fresher.
1. Aishwarya Birla (NALSAR grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
2. Anupama Sharma (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
3. Aparajita Lath (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
4. Aparna Chandra (NLSIU grad, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
5. Arun K. Thiruvengadam (NLSIU grad, currently Professor at NLSIU)
6. Arul George Scaria (Mahatma Gandhi University grad, NALSAR LLM, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
7. Ashna Singh (RMLNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
8. Ashrita Prasad Kotha (NALSAR grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
9. Atrayee Majumder (NLSIU grad, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
10. Balu G. Nair (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
11. Bhanu Tanwar (NLUD grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
12. Darshana Mitra (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
13. Divya Deviah (JGLS 3-Year LLB, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
14. Gauri Pillai (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
15. Harsha N (HNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
16. Kunal Ambasta (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
17. Madhubanti Sadhya (CU grad, NUJS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
18. Malini Chidambaram (JGLS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
19. Manish (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
20. Meenakshi Ramkumar (JGLS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
21. Mihir Naniwadekar (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
22. Mrinal Satish (NLSIU grad, currently Professor at NLSIU)
23. Nikita Ahalyan (DU 3-Year LLB, NLSIU LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
24. Nigam Nuggehalli (NLSIU grad, currently Professor and Registrar at NLSIU)
25. Padmini Baruah (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
26. Pranav Verma (NALSAR grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
27. Preeti Pratishruti Dash (NLUO grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
28. Prerna Dhoop (KIIT grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
29. Radhika Chitkara (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
30. Rahul Hemrajani (Symbiosis grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
31. Rahul Singh (NLSIU grad, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
32. Rashmi Venkatesan (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
33. Sahana Ramesh (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
34. Salmoli Choudhuri (NLUD grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
35. Sanyukta Chowdhury (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
36. Sarasu Esther Thomas (NLSIU grad, currently Professor at NLSIU)
37. Saurabh Bhattacharjee (NALSAR grad, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
38. Sharadha R. Shinde (Karnataka University grad, NLSIU LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
39. Shreya Shree (NLSIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
40. Smitha Krishna Prasad (Symbiosis grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLSIU)
41. Sudhanshu Kumar (CNLU grad, currently Associate Professor at NLSIU)
42. Sudhir Krishnaswamy (NLSIU grad, currently Professor and Vice Chancellor at NLSIU)
43. Rosmy Joan (Mahatma Gandhi University grad, JGLS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
44. Sunishth Goyal (NALSAR grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
45. Rohan Cherian Thomas (GNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
46. Hemangini Chandra Sharma (NLUJ grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
47. Poosarla Bayola Kiran (DSNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
48. A. Sridhar (NALSAR LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
49. Niharika Salar (NUSRL grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
50. Prakhar Ganguly (Vidyasagar University grad, NLUD LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
51. Prerna (NUSRL grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
52. Nandini Biswas (GNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
53. Ishita Das (NLUJ grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
54. Vivek Mukherjee (NLIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
55. Varun Malik (Amity University grad, NALSAR LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
56. Rajesh Kapoor (Symbiosis University grad, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
57. Sidharth Chauhan (NLSIU, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
58. Ashwini Kumar Pendyala (Kakatiya University grad, NALSAR LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
59. Sourabh Bharti (DU grad, NALSAR LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NALSAR)
60. Shameek Sen (NUJS grad, currently Associate Professor at NUJS)
61. Shouvik Kumar Guha (NUJS grad, currently Associate Professor at NUJS)
62. Paramita Dasgupta (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
63. Aman Gupta (NUJS grad, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
64. Anirban Mazumder (Burdwan University grad, NLSIU LLM, currently Professor at NUJS)
65. Lovely Dasgupta (NUJS LLM, currently Associate Professor at NUJS)
66. Sarfaraz Ahmed Khan (CU grad, NUJS LLM, currently Associate Professor at NUJS)
67. Tilottama Raychaudhuri (Symbiosis grad, NUJS LLM, currently Associate Professor at NUJS)
68. Faisal Fasih (CU grad, NUJS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
69. Sampa Karmakar Singh (Burdwan University grad, NUJS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
70. Vijay Kishor Tiwari (DU grad, NLSIU LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
71. Surja Kanta Baladhikari (CU grad, NUJS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NUJS)
72. Anup Surendranath (NALSAR grad, currently Professor at NLUD)
73. Roopa Madhav (NLSIU grad, currently Professor at NLUD)
74. Daniel Mathew (DU grad, NLSIU LLM, currently Associate Professor at NLUD)
75. Vishal Mahalwar (MD University grad, NALSAR LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLUD)
76. Dakshina Chandra (NALSAR grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLUD)
77. Kheinkor Lamarr (NLIU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLUD)
78. Dinesh (GGSIPU grad, NLUD LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLUD)
79. Garishma Bhayana (NUJS LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
80. Ruth Vaipei (NE Hills University grad, NLUJ LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
81. Aniruddh Panicker (NLUO grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
82. Vini Singh (HNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
83. Sayantani Bagchi (CU grad, NLUO LLM, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
84. Kritika Singh (RMLNLU grad, currently Assistant Professor at NLUJ)
"if [sic] you are disabled, won't you find it problematic to do the kind of document work in law firms? Law firms dont [sic] have special systems for the impaired and especially clients arent [sic] willing to accommodate the same in costs as well.
"Might as well prepare for the judiciary or IAS? (hint hint PWD)
"Pls dont [sic] take this the wrong way, its just a suggestion/ comment jk"
Lots to unpack here, apologies (especially to mods) for the length of this. Glad that someone marked this comment as "contested", despite the disclaimer. I am a blind person and a law student and find this deeply problematic in many ways.
1. Most obvious: problematic implications re reservations.
2. Accommodation and costs: Most blind people use computers with screen readers (read-aloud/text-to-speech software) that reads out everything to them that's displayed on a screen, including what they type. I myself use one such software package, called Non-Visual Desktop Access (NVDA). I use this software for everything: from reading the above-quoted comment to typing my response here on LI, and to do everything I need to digitally, whether academic or personal work. Making documents accessible to such software isn't all that difficult. Platforms/software such as SensusAccess, Brickfield Accessibility Toolkit and ilovepdf.com can convert inaccessible (i.e., image-based/scanned) PDFs into accessible formats (typed text). All these software packages are well within the reach of most reasonably performing firms, financially. There are methods to communicate the substance of more visual documents (e.g. maps, patent designs/diagrams etc.) to the blind. These have included (in the U.S., particularly) using paralegals/interns as human readers (I know of someone using these very methods as a blind person for IP work in India). Law firms anyway take on such people, so this isn't too difficult either, is it? Hope that sufficiently addresses your "special systems" point.
3. Further, people in India and beyond have been working at law firms for some considerable time. The first blind person to get the Rhodes scholarship from India worked at a T1 law firm before going to Oxford and has recently returned to law firm life. Others have commented in this forum and this thread about blind lawyers who are/have been doing it in India right now or in the recent past - see above. I myself have commented, in encouraging the OP to think about all opportunities, including TC's in London, about visually impaired people working at some of the world's most competitive firms (specifically, Clifford Chance and Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer). Therefore, I encourage the person who made the above-quoted comment to please engage in some deep reflection on whether they are, intentionally or not, acting as a gatekeeper to the legal profession.
1. Trilegal: Rahul Mathan at the helm ensures a lot of government work but he is less active on client work than before. ‘Statesman’ status. Generally a very well regarded and busy team. Nikhil Narendran, Jyotsna are good partners to work with. Nikhil is particularly focussed on telecom. Jaideep Reddy for fintech/crypto. Team is nice to work in.
2. CAM: Arun Prabhu is good. But the practice is not the same tier as Trilegal.
3. Ikigai: Cutting-edge work in a lot of new areas like AI, metaverse, blockchain. Works with almost all big-tech companies, especially in social media, ecom, cloud, satcom, fintech. Strong data practice too. Anirudh Rastogi is the managing partner, known for emerging tech/blockhain, Nehaa Chaudhari for policy/data, Aparajita Srivastava for fintech. Sreenidhi Srinivasan for data.
4. NDA: old tech and media practice with good clients but several good lawyers have left or are leaving the firm. Better work-life than at other big practices. Works in a lot of new areas of tech like crypto, drones etc. Gowree Gokhale is good for media and gaming. Huzefa for new areas. NDA puts a lot of writing on areas of tech.
5: Indus: It is a gaming and entertainment practice led by Ranjana Adhikari from NDA. Well known partner but in the gaming circles.
6. Spice Route: Key areas are fintech and data. Mathew Chacko heads up both practices in the Bangalore office. Mumbai office doesn’t do as much tech. Do a lot of vc investment work in tech startups too, headed also by Mathew. Senior Associate Aadya Mishra also known for data work.
7. Saraf: Building it out. Too early in the game to comment.
8. SAM: low key but good TMT team with big clients. Sahana Chatterjee does a lot of TMT policy work. Tejas Karia’s team does TMT litigation for large clients, but can be quite routine for the most part.
9. TMT Law Practice: Abhishek Malohotra has an established telecom litigation practice. His team also does gaming and data.
10. Anand & Anand: been building a tmt practice, but still best for IP aspects of TMT.
So we sent the email and the student bar council took charge. Our vice president voiced our concerns to the administration and our VC agreed to make a committee to sort this matter.
Yesterday, our registrar also visited our accommodation and took a headcount of our current batch.
To trolls who are throwing personal attacks, try to understand one's situation before talking shit. Even our faculties are scared to raise their voice (despite not getting full salaries for the past six months),what the hell do you expect a single first-year student just out of high school to do? Had my identity been compromised, I'd have been thrown out of this uni for the violation of the "academic code of conduct"
Today was the first day of our end-semester examination. We're still waiting for positive results. Thank you to everyone who genuinely helped us. Though we didn't mass boycott the exams, there were a lot of useful actions that I was able to take because of the clarity some LI peers gave.
Shubhankar Dam (NUJS, Portsmouth)
Saptarishi Bandopadhyay (NUJS, Osgoode, York)
Avantik Tamta (NUJS, lecturer and PhD candidate, Melbourne)
Supriyo Routh (NUJS LLM, Victoria)
Chinmayi Arun (NALSAR, Project Director and Research Scholar, Yale)
How was it?
All the best, you got this!
It is not in good faith to claim “Palestinians are not all Hamas “ when you don’t stop people in your movement from waving the hezbollah and Hamas flags. It’s not in good faith to claim that there are innocent Palestinians and babies that have been harmed ( which anyone would be sympathetic to) But then to use that sympathy to sloganeer about how you’re proud of the martyrs of oct 7.
Mods : you clearly cannot moderate these topics. You always let these conversations start and then fail at moderating fairly mid way through. It would be better to not allow the misinformation in the first place. You’re under no pressure to let someone post some nonsense about this culture war in America every week or about the real war in Israel. It’s the honourable thing to go : “we just are not equipped to keep moderating these arguments” and just stop.
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/jobs/hr-policies-trends/top-law-firms-rule-in-favour-of-smaller-cities-plan-to-hire-local-talent-in-nashik-pune-indore-jaipur-chandigarh/articleshow/109443643.cms?from=mdr
Personal details -
I am working in a Tier 2 law firm in Mumbai in IBC Practice. I have 4+ years work experience here and there. I started with a Litigation lawyer, climbed up to a firm. I took this job due to family financial issues. Currently earning 12 LPA. But I don't have savings due to family reasons - I had to support them for these many years. My age is 26.
Not giving exact details for privacy reasons.
My dream was to became a Judicial Officer. But currently I have done zero prep. I have mostly done SARFESI, IBC work and have forgotten every important law over the time. I only go to NCLT and DRT.
Is it possible to prepare for Judicial Services Exam with a job?
My working houses are 10 to 8, luckily weekends are off (Saturday and Sunday)
How to prepare?
Should I leave my job for preparation?
I am looking for UP Judicial Services Exam.
Kindly tell me if preparing with full time job is possible.
I have heard that for UPSC exams it's very difficult to study with full time job. Is it the same for Judicial Services?
I can quit the job but I only have 4L savings enough for 1 year.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/education/news/bar-council-of-india-calls-for-stricter-measures-to-uphold-legal-education-standards/articleshow/109387688.cms
https://www.hindustantimes.com/education/news/bar-council-urges-higher-education-institutes-state-governments-to-uphold-sanctity-of-legal-education-101713416328771.html
BCI writes to state governments (their respective Departments of Education) about the fall in the quality of legal education. It urges state governments to be very prudent in approving new law colleges and their affiliation. As expected, the note is only for the state governments and state universities. It covers state NLUs that are mushrooming now. It excludes national universities that are INIs (obviously).
You guys can volunteer to update the spreadsheet for each other's convenience while referring to the updated threads, thank you! ⭐ https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/347477-mega-thread-updated-2024-salaries#comment-347477
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/261285-honest-a0-salaries-for-tier-1-and-tier-2-law-firms-2023
Mods pls make it featured for pay transparency so that it can reach more audience.
Also, read well and teach well too. Don't just read from the book. Nobody respects that. Students can do it on their own too.
Law focuses on learning rules and procedures within a competitive environment, whereas an MBA will challenge you to apply simple, effective rules across various aspects of life and work. This teaches you to think broadly and work collaboratively, skills that are crucial in any business setting. This is not something which comes easy to lawyers and the more you be a lawyer in a law firm, the more difficult this transition will take.
However, if you want to make your MBA experience truly enriching, consider diving into subjects like accounting and finance, which are fundamental to understanding the language of business. Additionally, running your own business, even on a small scale, can provide invaluable real-world experience that enhances your learning in an MBA program.
Before you decide, it's crucial to reflect deeply on why you want to pursue an MBA. Understanding your core motivations will help you determine if this degree aligns with your professional goals. Once clear, choose a business school that aligns with your learning approach and where you aspire to relocate and work.
Rather than looking for a specific area of law that might prepare you for an MBA, focus directly on gaining experiences that align with your interest in business. As Warren Buffet suggests, align your actions closely with your goals to make the most of your time and efforts.
Reflecting on my personal experience, completing my MBA over a decade ago significantly changed my perspective, enabling me to integrate a business viewpoint in all my professional endeavours. This shift might well be something you find equally transformative, should you decide to proceed with an MBA. Speak to lawyers who have done an MBA to get the right insight. No blogs or posts here can serve that purpose.
All the best with your future plans.
Have a meticulous file organization system. If your firm is lackadaisical about it, have your own system and stick to it.
Also, today you get many screens which connect to your laptop/desktop via USB. They're sleek and portable. A good option - and I'll argue better than two monitors stuck together at work.
What are some everyday, irksome tasks in your workflow, and have you found any clever workarounds? For example, at my previous firm, the restriction on using a second screen/ monitor meant one was doomed to endless switching between tabs and documents. The Word split-view feature at least made life a tad easier. Or perhaps you've experienced the hair-splitting task of finding that one email from a cesspool of a mailbox you inherited.
Would be interesting to hear transactional and disputes lawyers' tech/ workflow struggles, uncover common pain points (maybe associates/ partners face the same or wildly different problems!) and hopefully, discover solutions to those pesky everyday tasks.
Established Seniors:
Delhi - Arvind Datar, Ajay Vohra, Preetesh Kapur, S Ganesh, Salil Kapoor, RV Easwar
Mumbai - Percy Pardiwalla, JD Mistry, POTUS Kaka, Farrokh Irani, K Shivaram, Vikram Nankani, V Sridharan (VS and VN do more indirect tax, but also have many direct tax matters)
Ahmedabad - Saurabh Soparkar, Tushar Hemani
Bangalore - KK Chaithanya
Kolkata - JP Khaitan
Rising Juniors (of age bracket approx 35 to 45: so those who are just on the cusp of getting really busy to those on the cusp of senior designation):
Delhi - Kamal Sawhney, Sachit Jolly, Gautam Swarup, Ananya Kapoor
Mumbai - Nishant Thakker, Nitesh Joshi, Sunil Lala, Madhur Agarwal, Mihir Naniwadekar, Harsh Kapadia, Rahul Sarda, Dharan Gandhi, Devendra Jain
I am not aware of rising Juniors in Bangalore/Ahd/Kolkata. There will be some, but none that I know of.
So you will think that there's a fair bit of options. The problem is that practically all the quality work is with one of these names... So come to think of it, not so many options then, if this is the entire pool...
My suggestion would be to enter IP transactional or litigation. Try to get into the relevant teams in Anand and Anand or Saikrishna. Remfry is also great provided yothey don't push you in prosecution.
Disclaimer - this is a personal opinion. There are many who have found their footing in IP prosecution and are earning really well.
Banking law and practice - ICSI Notes
Highly advanced:
Law and Practice of International Finance by Phillip Wood.
How to Negotiate Eurocurrency Loan Agreements by Lee C. Buchheit
P.s. There is no such thing as Tier 1.5, its either 1 or 2.
Hope this helped :)
We all should file a petition to bring back the old assisted search feature. It made out life wayyy easier
She died in an unfortunate accident near NCPA, Marine drive while she was trying to cross the road to the other side of the drive. Now GLC has an award under her name given out to the best student who qualifies all the laid criteria and after a panel interview.
Don't worry about the replies OP, it happens. You'll meet more A-holes like this in law school & in the profession. Simply avoid them and toughen up.
Regarding your query, I assume you meant NLIU Bhopal. Well, it definitely is a tier 1 but well below NLS, NLUD, NALSAR, NUJS & maybe at par or below GNLU & NLUJ. Having said that, it's not a bad NLU, there is plenty of opportunities to do well. Sure the higher the NLU tag, the more opportunities you get. However that's absolutely upto your hardwork and networking. If you're interested in litigation, judiciary, civil services or academia, it's fine to continue there. Top NLUs mostly help in corporate placements.
My advice would be to join NLIU, then appear for clat again if you wish. In case you get a better university you can move, albeit you lose a year. If not you can continue at NLIU and you won't be wasting a year.
Whatever your choice, keep in mind beyond the next 5 years, as to where you want to see yourself. All the best.
Although these deaths are no doubt very sad, you will see that across law school batches past and present there are premature deaths, whether in college or after graduation. Just speak to people from Gen X to Gen Z. Almost everyone has a batchmate who is no more. Some had cancer, some had a heart attack because of work stress, some had COVID, some were in an accident, some took their own life. Even if you look at it mathematically, in a batch of 100 students there is a reasonable chance one person may die before reaching 40/45 years, or even 25 years. Sounds terrible, but it’s perhaps true?
So I was just thinking about these people who left the world too soon. Do you know any of them? Do you remember them? Does your college have medals and competitions in their name? How were they as people? Smart? Funny? Introverted? Troubled? Sad? I mean, we barely even remember COVID! Do we remember our friends who died of it?
Sorry, but just thinking about this a lot today.
Why do big law firms go to top NLUs and not to other colleges? The recruiter decides it.
If someone supports Modi, let them. If someone supports Rahul, let them. Stop basing your whole life on politics!!!
Kid, dekho. I was introduced to law after reading Constitutional law in UPSC CSE preparation. Unlike lawyers who have others laws to understand, for us, Indian constitution has to be mugged. Vaise bhi UPSC aajkal interpretation level pe chali gyi hai. Till that time, it was unthinkable in my friend circle to take law or study for CLAT. Unthinkable. I would have been a pariah. No one in my extended friend group is a lawyer. All are Engineers. Once I did engineering I realized, I don't like it.
How hard is it to understand? I had no clue that some world beyond IIT exists. Now, let me answer some of your questions because of which you write some much again and again.
Q1. You get NLU tag without cracking CLAT.
No, we are not in this for the NLU tag. Actually, most of us are here for the good legal education which NLS can provide. For any engineer in India, any IIT>IIM ABCL, BITS Pilani, IISc > ISB H, FMS, XLRI, SRCC>other IIMs>LSR,MDI. That's it. For us, NLU tag has literally no value. No value. 0. Ask a Product Manager at Flipkart if he has heard of NLUs in his state. He will say no. Actually, Faculty of Delhi University is more well known to us as many who crack UPSC CSE, attend that college.
So, we are not in this for the tag. Bar 3y law students from buying your hoodie/shirt. I will support it.
Q2. You will steal our jobs.
A. Dekho, firstly, most people who come in the 3y course, actually have jobs. Maybe not earning 20-30 lakh per annum, or not working at McKinsey, but, they have good enough jobs, which when supplemented with a good MBA can earn 40-50 lakh in 3y. So, it is not that people who come for the 3y course will die if they don't practice Law.
B. I do agree that anyone who invests 3 years will want a placement and this will lead to more competition for the almost same number of jobs. But, there are 4 points -
- 1. These are private firms. They make their own decisions. No one, (maybe, except top party brass), dictates terms to them. Their HRs and hiring team won't exactly be swayed, no matter how much the VC advocates for the 3y admits. So, it is their own decisions.
- 2. Private firms don't care about you. For them, we all are - resources. Nothing more, nothing less. So, stop attaching so much of your self worth to them. I read about how the supposed happiest place on earth (Google HQ), shut off access to employee email accounts and sent a list to people who were laid off.
- 3. You came to this college on "supposed" merit. Then, why are you afraid now? People will take cognisance of your superior skills (which the 3y LLB students (according to you) might never have), and will recognize you.
- 4. Even if we do not get a law job, I will (plead a bit) and come back to my current job. I am not dependent on the Law placements for living my life. Of course, if I was placed, it would be a good application of my 3 years.
You know, what people realize after preparing for UPSC CSE? That the difference in gyan, reading ability, knowledge, ability to summarise and research content, is really not that much between the 501st rank and AIR 1. It has more to do with interview and some luck. This awareness increases humility. This only comes with experience.
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All institutions, all ideas evolve. IIM A Director has emphasized that slowly, PGPX (1y course) will replace the 2y Flagship PGP. So, should we proclaim that the 2y students are smarter than PGPX course students? No.
So, ideas evolve. The objective of IITs was to produce Engineers. Engineering means applied science. Hence, till last 5y, their undergrad was the flagship. They were not suppose to be too research driven. Now, the idea has shifted to become a full fledged research institute as Indian Govt. is flush with money. So, slowly Masters and PhD is also improving.
Similarly, India needs more quality lawyers, more jurists to support the 140 crore population. See the world Quality. Quality can be provided only by the NLUs and some other Central govt. institutes. So, for inclusive growth, and for building a nation which follows Constitutional morality in her decisions, more legally educated people are needed.
How is this a bad thing?
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Q3. What will my advice be to you?
No one was there to guide me when I started preparing for UPSC. I shitted here and then I shitted there. Wasted time doing mistakes after mistakes. My advice is that if you have so much free time, don't waste it on us. Spend time with yourself. The university, the nation, no one gives one hoot shit about you. Your fests don't mean a thing. Everyone will continue with their lives. NLUs will continue to get applications. Even more in their 3y course.
So, search for Sleepy Classes. Buy it's Rs. 12k full UPSC package and start preparing for UPSC CSE. Complete the prelims syllabus before your 5 years end. This way you will have an edge once you enter job market and think of cracking civil services. Remember, you won't be fighting people like us, you will be fighting IIT B and IIT Delhi top rankers. Do you really think the topper of your class who went to IIT was not capable enough to crack CLAT? He/She chose not to.
So, mug the content. Solve the Vision IAS test papers and ratofy the solutions. Be iron ready. Aage aapki marzi.
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Lastly, it takes guts to say no to a 1y MBA, leave your job, and sacrifice time to get a law degree later in life.
I will live my life. You will live yours. You will continue posting shit here and get some kicks, I will move on. The 3y students will move on. Your time, energy and emotions will be wasted which you could have used in reading Vision IAS current affairs magazine and later, serving lakhs of underprivileged communities through your ethical decisions.
Anyway, all the best! Aage aapki marzi. Continue posting shit here. I hope I have helped at least 1 person.
The team, comprising Ms. Ananya Deshpande, Ms. Ananya Jaria, Ms. Disha Gandhi, Ms. Kavya Gupta, and Ms. Samiksha Lohia, also emerged as Winners of the Permanent Court of Arbitration Singapore Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Singapore, where Ms. Ananya Jaria won the Best Individual Oralist Award and Ms. Disha Gandhi won the Second Best Oralist Award. Additionally, the team also won the First Runners Up Award for the Best Claimant Memorandum at the AIAC – APAC Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, organised by the Asia International Arbitration Centre. Further, the team also emerged as Quarter Finalists (Round of 8) at the 13th Indian Vis Pre-Moot, 2024 held at Jindal Global Law School Sonipat, Haryana.
The team was coached by Mr. Karan Himatsingka, Ms. Lahar Jain, Mr. Sarthak Malhotra, Mr. Akhil Chowdary Unnam, Ms Puloma Mukherjee, Ms. Simran Bherwani, and Ms. Vipashyana Hilsayan.
We congratulate the team on this outstanding performance!
Dhruv was a first year student of the B.A. LL.B programme and hailed from Mumbai. He was a warm and compassionate person, and a bright and diligent student, well-liked by his peers and faculty.
The NLS community stands in solidarity with his grieving family and friends in this period of deep sadness. The University staff are working closely with the authorities and extending all support to his family members. We request all members of the community to respect the privacy of the family at this time.
As a mark of respect, the University will suspend all classes for the remainder of the week. We request all members of the NLS community to come together for a condolence meeting in the Old Academic Quadrangle at 11AM on Friday 22nd March, 2024.
The University welfare support service and counselling services are available to anyone in the community who needs to reach out.
Sudhir Krishnaswamy Vice Chancellor
I have been swamped with extra work for the last few days and couldn't moderate at the usual pace. I suppose it's the same for other moderators too.
As regards any fixed time of the day when I moderate - I just do it whenever I find free time. It may be different for other mods.
Second, stick to feedback about work. No personal attacks.
Third. Direction. Create an actual path and learning schedule to improve them. Can't type? There are websites. Can't read? Read a book/newspaper everyday. Can't speak? Help them join a club.
This is a pivotal moment not just for the intern, but also for you. The impression they carry will remain etched for years, and will also become your market reputation. Take genuine interest in their growth, and they will help you grow.
Insert -> Text-> Quick Parts-> Document Property.
There are default headings which you cant change like COMPANY, TITLE, FAX.
I just inserted these wherever details change and then change the headings by inserting what i want them to insert. Like DT Name, DT Address, CIN, etc.
Hence changing in one place will reflect wherever youve inserted the document property insertion.
Its a pain setting up. But makes life easier in the long run.
More power to you!
Cheers
Only good things are family and friends, barely get time to pursue my hobbies, longing for the weekends like a dog and a bone..
What kind of life do we live? I believe in a higher power and I’m sure they pity the lives we have. This isn’t what they meant for us to do. Most days once I’m out of the office I can’t remember where I parked my car, was it on the 1st floor garage? No I parked there last week, why am I remembering that today? Probably because everyday is exactly the same. I still can’t find my car.
Slaving my life away and for what? So these rich assholes can keep getting richer, our bosses and their bosses will get a decent cut themselves, so they keep mum, bragging about how they got to where they are by slaving their youth away, acting like the sun gets closer the more you chase it but really all they were chasing was a dim lamp at midnight, too ashamed to admit they wasted their life away so they compensate by making us waste ours the exact same way.
How about a change of scenery, that would be nice..no, it’s near-impossible to move laterally abroad in this field. Be it a masters degree or headhunting a headhunter, nothing even came close to guaranteeing a chance abroad, not in this job. I knew this would be the case, but that didn’t stop me from pursuing this profession. I wanted to be different. I didn’t want to work in finance like all the other kids in my school.
It’s not too late, I know it can be worse, much worse. I’m switching professions, I’m getting that foreign MBA, regain some youth and maybe waste away working in retail for a bit, get yelled at by some old white woman, mostly because she hates the color of my skin. I think I’ll enjoy studying and working again, making connections till I graduate, starting this same bs cycle again but this time I’ll go much higher. Manager, senior manager, COO, CEO. Hell maybe I’ll even join the board, make the chairperson. Why stop there? I’ll start my own company. Maybe I’ll lose everything I own but maybe, just maybe I’ll win it all. And then they can all slave away for me. The cycle repeats but this time I’ll have a nice padded seat to sit on and handles to hold.
Your thoughts? The war on drugs is a failed American foreign policy experiment. Weed is already rampant in almost every single college campus in India, including all top NLUs.
Its extremely shite.
This leaves only a handful of his contemporaries who are still alive and practicing.
Given that this would perhaps be the last generation of legendary lawyers who rose up to this stature, I would like the audience to contribute with any of their anecdotes (good, bad, and ugly) which make these legends unique amongst the countless many.
The thread is not limited to celebrating life of Mr. Fali alone.
Request trolls and timepassers to stay away for the sake of creating one good trail of a conversation. Thanks.
As a senior who came from a village into a well known private university, I share your sentiments. I didn’t indulge in hookups, alcohol, cigarettes, non-vegetarian food or smoking up and wasn’t constantly chasing accomplishments in college. But I also did not look down on any of the above. I enjoyed hanging out with people so I participated in organising committees. I looked for people who could enjoy sober lunches and dinner and good food in city restaurants - and asked generally in class if people want to join. I hung out with smokers and had chai while they smoked. I hung out with alcohol enthusiasts and had virgin mocktails and offered cocktail making skills. I had a gala time with a category of intellectuals while they smoked up. You don’t have to hookup if you don’t want it - and you may look for a stable relationship. I accepted people are different and come from different walks of life and emptied my notion of life to learn more about them and there lifestyles. Humans - especially lawyers are lonely creatures. Most are always happy to talks about themselves, provided you don’t make them feel like you are judging them.
Again - you do you. Tier 1 or local government colleges, all have the same environments - you just have a base of accompalished alumni’s to reach out, competitive and ambitious circle of batchmates and promise of decent orgs showing up on campus. If you want to sleep for 7 hours do that. If you do not want to dedicate all your time to different competitions - don’t. If you do not want to pursue a corporate job - don’t. If you want to just focus on academics and relax - do that. Your activities will impact only you and not anyone else.
Only one thing you need to understand and imbibe. Make efforts in anything you finally decide to pursue and strive for excellence in that. You are in India (law school is irrelevant), and you will do fine if you decide to not put in effort or put in effort. But efforts will set you apart - in personal and professional life.
I had a fun college life - no moots, debates, ADR or papers only events and academics. I am doing as well as anyone in my year from best universities. A lot of factors matter in life - once you identify a problem, look for a solution.
Partners- 16,500-20,000
Counsel- 14,000-15,500
SA- 10,500- 14,000
A- 7,250- 10,000
Requesting LI com to drop down recent hourly billing rates for other T1 and T2 firms. Thanks
The article in questions: https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/an-intervention-that-will-help-strengthen-legal-education/article67850437.ece
Some questions based on this article, from my perspective as an assistant prof at a small, private, law school in the South:
1) How bad is the regulation by the Bar Council of India (BCI), and is poor regulation the primary reason behind the prevalence of low-quality law schools in India? Or is it merely that the majority of students in smaller, lesser-known law schools lack a specific interest in law, enrolling primarily for the ease of obtaining a graduation degree, often a minimum requirement for many government jobs? So who is really to blame for the poor quality of indian law schools, the BCI or the students who have no interest in holding their institutions and professors to account.
2) Is the call for increased emphasis on 'research' in law schools, beyond Tier 1 NLUs, JGLS necessary? Considering that a vast majority of law school students aspire to work as in-house lawyers, practice as litigators, or join the government as civil servants, how beneficial is it to impose extensive 'research' requirements on these students? Furthermore, in my experience, 'research' at most law schools in India is little more than copying from already published articles on the topic and paraphrasing using chatgpt.
Why I believe more research must be conducted by Tier 1 NLUs, JGLS, etc is solely because of necessity; I do believe that legal research is important, and thus, some law schools have to carry it out. So, why not promote it primarily in the best law schools to maximize the efficiency of legal education as a whole?
PS: I am not implying that students from non-Tier 1 law schools cannot conduct valuable research; they most certainly can. What I am questioning is the productivity of spending money to sponsor research in those NLUs when better results can likely be achieved elsewhere. Of course, the argument of dispersing funds and therefore academic quality is valid, as most states would want their NLUs to provide good opportunities for their students.
In school/ colleges, “daydreaming” is looked down upon as it’s considered a waste of time. Seniors considered that maybe in that time the student could get so much more done. Hustle and don’t waste a single moment was the common refrain.
Since joining a law firm - your mind is constantly racing - there’s hardly any time to day dream. Instead it is replaced with stress, anxiety,
and a constant need to achieve efficiency in work.
Do you ever think - maybe our minds need a period of rest, when we can just be and not think about getting some work done. Maybe daydreaming is good for our mental health?
Maybe daydreaming wasn’t a bad thing after all?
1. On average a farming household makes Rs. 10000 per month per acre.
2. Around nine-tenths of farmers hold less than 4 acres of land in the country. In monetary terms, around Rs. 40000 per month.
3. This amount is not available monthly as the money only comes in at the end of a crop cycle.
4. With an average crop cycle of 4 months, the majority of the farmers make Rs. 1,60,000.
5. This amount is not really ‘income.’ It is revenue generated.
6. Part of it is reinvested in procuring seeds for the next cycle.
7. Another part of it goes towards paying ‘farm help.’ This is needed, at a minimum, to quickly reap the crop upon ripening and get it to the market before any unseasonal rain destroys it. Usually, the ‘help’ is in form of extra hands. Sometimes, combine harvesting machines.
8. Another part of the revenue generated goes towards repaying loans on things like tractors or submersible pumps (needed to irrigate the crop). These are loans that are occasionally waived by governments. However, till they are we do end up accounting for them from our revenue.
9. Another part of the revenue is used towards getting pesticides needed to keep the crop healthy over the next cycle. These are ones that are subsidized. But, we do pay for the part which isn’t subsidized.
10. Having removed all these costs from the revenue of Rs. 1,60,000 for every 4 month cycle, we are left with the ‘income’. This is not a single person’s salary like the one you guys get. This is the household’s income. The Indian government pegs it at 4 people.
11. Ab woh 80000/90000 per 4 months for 4 people comes to an income of around Rs. 5000/6000 per person per month. Kya dein isme se?
12. Lathi khaane ke baad doctor ka kharach isi mein se nikalta hai.
13. Namak, cheeni aur tel si basic cheez bhi yahin se aati hai.
14. Gai bhains ka kharacha bhi yahin se. If we don’t keep and tend to them, then milk and milk products ki cost padti hai.
15. My parents saved so much out of this to send to university. Couldn’t go a NLU like most of you because we never had the means to pay for it.
Bahut mehnat se iss zindagi bahar nikaala hai parents ne kyunki koi future nahin hai. Aur aap mein kuch isse ‘best career option’ samajhte ho. Sharam karo ki apne desh ke kisaan aur kisaani ke baare mein itna kam malum aur itni choti soch rakhte ho.
I hope this email finds you well.
In light of the recent events that transpired on the University campus, it is imperative to understand the distinction between, being politically aware – i.e., knowing, reading, and understanding your politics, and doing politics – i.e., actively taking steps to propagate your political ideology in a way which is harmful to the social environment and the institutional values. Consequently, while students are encouraged to educate themselves vis-à-vis social, political and cultural issues, exhibiting your beliefs in any manner which is detrimental to the beliefs of others is absolutely prohibited. This is essential to fully take advantage of the egalitarian spaces made available on the University campus, which are meant to cater to the entire marketplace of ideas, and not to a few ideologies.
While JGU prides itself as an Institution of Eminence for providing safe academic spaces, at the same time we cannot ignore the inherent duty that this casts upon the JGU community for using such spaces in a dignified and responsible manner. This implies that while the academic spaces within JGU celebrate the right to free speech and expression, one cannot turn a blind eye towards the reasonable restrictions that must be upheld to ensure that the freedom of others is not violated. In this light, since its inception, the JGU administration has consciously kept the University space absolutely apolitical to cater to neutral academic discussions that explore all sides of an issue / debate(s).
In this regard, please note that:
1. Students are prohibited from officially associating the University with any political organization, even if such student(s) may be part of these organizations in their personal capacity. This is in sync with the fact that the University would not exercise any control over the actions of its students in their personal capacity, however, it is advisable that students exercise discretion and duty of care while they are within the University campus;
2. Students are prohibited from associating themselves with unofficial and unrecognized organizations seeking to do politics on the University campus, like the Safdar Hashmi Reading Circle, the Revolutionary Students League, and other similar student-groups. Consequently, if students wish to start a society, or student-run groups, then they must seek the approval of the relevant University authority;
3. Students organizing public events, including, but not limited to, public discussions, lectures, reading circles, and audio-visual exhibitions, would have an inherent responsibility of ensuring that they (a) take adequate precautions, including permission from the relevant University authority, to conduct such an event, and (b) do not conduct themselves in a manner that is derogatory of the personhood and participation rights of other University stakeholders, and undermines the safety and tranquillity on the University campus; and
4. Students are prohibited from publicly distributing and/or affixing posters, or other written media, that may be interpreted as disruptive of the safety and tranquillity of the University Campus. Accordingly, it is advisable that students get their posters, or other written media, vetted by the relevant University authority, before making it publicly accessible.
It goes without saying that any contravention of these regulations would be treated as a violation of the JGU Code of Conduct for students (“Code of Conduct”), and the concerned students would face appropriate disciplinary action under Clause 28 of the Code of Conduct.
Additionally, the violation of these regulations, in certain cases, may also constitute the violation of the law of the land, including the Indian Penal Code, 1860, and other laws preventing unlawful activities. It is crucial for the students to understand that in case they end up violating the law of the land, it would be difficult for the University authorities to provide any assistance to such students. Consequently, it is of paramount importance that the students understand the objective behind these regulations, and follow them diligently to ensure their own personal safety.
We seek your support in safeguarding and upholding the core institutional values of JGU. Thanking you for your assistance and cooperation.
Regards,
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Graduating at 26 and making it to a T1 law firm is still much better than someone who bothered about age and graduated pristine young at 23 but from a Tier 3 local law school and still after 4 years not being able to get into a T1 law firm or get any good job for that matter. There are several factors at play, I suggest you research and find what is most applicable in your scenario. Exceptionally talented people with the right internships and right contacts can make it into T1 even if they are from local law schools.
Dear XYZ Sir,
[Greet the recipient]
[Introduce yourself. Specify the team, location and dates for the internship]
[Give reasons as to why you are applying in the team/firm and what you like about the team/firm. Specify a publication by the partner or a deal that they have worked.]
[Next, talk about how your experiences is fit for the internship. Talk about your previous internships, moots & publications that are relevant for the position you are seeking.]
[Conclude by saying you are hoping to work and contribute to their team]
When you don't know something at all, try reasoning it from first principles. Be frank. Tell the judges that you are not able to assist them with the exact authority on the issue at that moment. Then tell them what you think the answer should be and explain your reasoning.
Try not to be too evasive. Some people don't like it and will then try and pin you down till they make you admit that you don't know the answer.
You don't have to sound aggressive or dominant. Try and sound sure, certain, and self-assured. For that, anticipate lines of questioning like the above comment advises.
I really got into preparing a full speech after doing a few moots. Of course, I never read out from the speech but it helped to have a clear frame of reference in mind of what the rest of my speech looks like. This was a personal preference and might not work for you. All the best!
However in Kerala, the financial status of Ezhavas rose up because of various factors including mass social reformation movements, missionary education, legal reforms opening up newer business avenues, etc. And finally when we got our first CM( R.Shankar) from the community, we were declassified from SC and made into OBCs.
1. Hiring process: Hiring is through internships. I'm taking one or two interns a month. They work with me closely and are selected on the basis of a technical round. All internships are assessment internships. All internships are eligible to a stipend (see above). That being said, I'm not planning to hire in huge numbers (only hiring 2 freshers in 2024, for eg.) so there's a one in 12 chance (maybe less than that) that internships will convert.
2. Pay Scale: 20% discount to Tier 1 scales. We are in the process of mapping what that means based on LI and other data. Let's speak - I recognise the importance of pay transparency so there are no unwelcome questions/ interventions.
3. Hiring for 2025: Yes
4. Long-term interns: Not sure. Let's speak.
1. but do read arbitration laws of the place you are going to be based out of for eg. Singapore/ London (seat of the jurisdiction matters, they wont really ask but just to have a better understanding)
2. know arbitration principles - separability/ competence competence, etc.
3. study the arbitration act fully - you can watch youtube videos on the same.
4. read on landmark judgment - group co, stamping of arbitral award
5. make a word doc and summarize your understanding of these concepts there for easy remembrance.
6. for better intellectual acumen/ understanding you can also watch SIAC videos and similarly other videos of law firm partners relating to arbitration.
7. subscribe to arbitration newsletters
8. can follow/ read kluwer arbitration blog and other blogs of similar stature, etc.
Thanks
1. Yes I have left AZB.
2. Yes I am setting up independently and will be focusing on international tax and private client work going forward.
3. Yes I am actively looking to hire, particularly if you love direct tax or are good generalists. Interns with the above profile are welcome also, but I’m only taking one or two a month. Feel free to look me up on LinkedIn for contact information + ask folks who’ve worked with me before if you’d like feedback. I’d like to think I run happy teams.
4. I’m currently pegging pay scales at a 20% discount to Tier 1 scales and interns get a 10K stipend per month. Again, pls ask if you’d like to know. Pay related questions are important and I’m happy to be upfront about them.
Mods, please make sure to clear this and feel free to get in touch if you need to verify that it’s me. Thx
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All the best! Hope to see you in the legal circuit soon.
Additionally, there are no mails talking about it at all
Wonder if anyone from NALSAR or NUJS or NLUJ have been designated.
(Admin, in light of some really stupid stuff that is posted on the site on a daily basis, please let us know why is this not being posted? It is for the community to accept, not accept or critique a post and not by you. We should celebrate small law school victories, and this is no one less than CJI. You can remove the bracketed part of course.)
Now time for the main talk, NLUJ as a NRI-S category will be much better. The fee is the least plus you have two instalments to pay the amount. Nujs NRI-S honestly won’t be that good. Being from the college itself, if you are getting a seat here as a general candidate then it might have made sense. GNLU is a good option after NLUJ.
Now, if you are availing loan, then I am sorry, you should avoid this NRI-S category. Because the amount is humongous (another reason to avoid nujs and gnlu). Take whatever general NLU you are getting and retake clat if it makes sense. You may find it difficult to even repay your loans. And I am not talking about 2-3 years. It may sound harsh but this is the reality. In any year, if you have to start the loan, then you are in danger. Avoid.
1. Nobody other than someone who is studying in a particular law school is aware of the pluses and minuses of the place, nor any clear knowledge about how its faculty are. Not even the specifics about the placement scene anymore, since most law schools don't release any official stats. At the most, they can have a general, vague idea. Therefore, people may talk about the good points of their own universities when someone asks for info. Not about how it is better than anyplace else, because they do not, simple. Most of the time, the posts are seeking info. So provide them with that, not random opinion. Talk about moots won, jobs secured, research project deets that are not readily available, hostel scenes, but keep it to your own uni for God's sake. You are not an expert on others, not even you have 'supposedly' heard about them from your friends. Let those friends talk about their own place, I am sure people from every university visits this forum occasionally.
2. These X NLU v. Y NLU posts are inane. Of course, some of them are written by CLAT aspirants genuinely trying to reach a decision. In that case, they need facts, not your conjecture. Quit turning these into a measuring contest.
3. Equally stupid are these X job v. Y job superiority posts. They serve absolutely no purpose whatsoever other than for trolls stroking themselves. If adult readers cannot understand that one cannot and should not compare a law firm job with a judiciary post, or an UPSC job with a management post, then they have got no business studying law or any professional discipline.
4. The trolls who keep egging readers to quit law and do MBA should just leave this place and frequent MBA forums instead. This is Legally India, not Managing India, last we all checked.
5. There is hardly any deal that is discussed here anymore, legal industry developments, issues about which law students can present a united front, basically, anything useful. Such a colossal waste of potential!
6. Even the political matters that are discussed are about chest thumping between Bhakts, Libs and Wokes and other -ism followers, rather than measured and intelligent discussion. Half of those are baits and propaganda anyway.
Mods and Admin, please either sequester the posts based on category even if you want to allow the drivel mentioned above, so that the few remaining readers who wish to use this forum to help people genuinely needing it can do so, or else just admit that this is just a troll infested dungheap now.
1.Case laws should be as recent as possible and ideally the research Q / statement should be affirmed by the SC or HC of the state you are working in, if not the same state then 3-4 HCs affirming the point is sufficient.
2. Coming to finding case laws, it takes time tobecome good at finding relevant and strong case laws in a short span of time but with practice you'll be good to go.
1.Start by reading up on the basic law surrounding the proposition in case you aren't familiar with the same and then start by typing out the research statement in the form of a question. You'll find articles on the sub topic where you are likely to find some case relevant to you. Eg (sorry for the basic example) : Research proposition is : A mentally insane person cannot be charged with murder. Figure out the law in place (IPC). Next, type can an insane person be charged for a crime - you'll get articles on insanity as a defence and subsequently find case laws that were referred to in the article. Put that one case law on SCC, ensure it hasn't been overruled and you'll be able to find more cases affirming the case law as well.
3. You can also try directly typing the research statement on manupatra / SCC / Indian Kanoon and find something in case you are lucky. Although with Indian kanoon ofc, cross check the case in SCC and never link the Indian Kanoon case when passing on their research.
4. If no avail, you can refer to commentaries on the particular law and find cases.
5. Another place is to read the submissions made by the advocates in a judgment of a case related to your provision. You will most likely get a few case laws used by either side to prove the point that you are trying to make.
1. NLS nikal le. You might, might get into good law firms and then earn money. Very difficult (around 40 Open seats for General Non Karnataka Male). I don't think DU LLB has any placements. It is good, but, job-wise, I don't think so. Most people who are there are actually preparing for CSE and do it side by side.
2. MPP in USA me ghus ja. Waha pe 1st year ke baad, top univ me dual degree ka bhi option aata hai. But, give the LSAT before hand. It is comparatively easier, as they have to take some dual degree people. JD Degree is valid in India (I think).
3. NLU O also has started their 3y program. Apply there.
Dream route -
4. J-PAL type (under Prof Esther Duflo or Prof Abhijit Banerjee) evidence-based policy making or Yale Inclusion Economics India centre me ghus ja. Kaam kar 5y. Rise through the ranks. Get good recommendations from foreign Profs (Yale has Stanford Profs too). Now apply to Harvard Kennedy School. Get in. Now after 1st year apply to Dual Degree in law.
And finally become a Harvard JD wala Lawyer. Some people from DU have done it. Search on Linkedin, HLS, HKS.
We have created a tactic agreement among ourselves (5 year UG course) to shun them off diplomatically and never let them feel the same. Saanp bhi kar jaayega, aur laathi bhi nhi tutegi.
Regarding placement, our college can't even place people from 5 year batch properly, 3 year is a distant dream.
Moreover, most of these 3 year chaps are stupid at core, they have nothing in their academic life and have pathetic inter-personal skills, so they themselves can't survive the competition in placements from 5 year UG course.
- A final year NLUOite.
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/320835-what-to-choose
Don't surrender yourself around people who treat you badly. Know your worth. You are smart, believe it. You are strong, believe it. You are worth it, believe it. Just keep doing what makes you passionate. What makes you happy, do it. People are pathetic, they once dreamt of things and failed to achieve it and therefore discourage you. Yet you have to realise you are not them, you will succeed. You will overcome all the challenges in front of you. It's cause you believe in you.
Things maybe tough today. With studies, jobs, work, family, relationships. But believe in yourself. You will get through them. Just remember to have your set of morals and follow them to the T. Stay true to your standards that you've set for yourself.
Hope this year you give your best, don't worry about the rest. As long as you know you're giving your best, you should not fret, keep moving on and push yourself better than the limit.
Love only three things this year. I, me and myself !
Let's help each other to be a better version of ourselves. Peace out ✌🏽
1. Always be dressed perfectly. Don’t look too nerdy as well. It is psychological that people want to talk more to people who dress nicely but not to those who wear blazers and shit to office.
2. Don’t act like a know-it-all kid. If you don’t know how to do a certain task assigned to you, it’s better to ask your assignor right there and then.
3. Make your expectations clear from day 1. If you’re looking for a call-back and a possible future, make it clear to the firm and ask them what all do they expect from you.
4. Always ask for deadlines whenever getting work from someone and turn the work in before the hard deadline.
5. Don’t be creepy to anyone or trying to be extra friendly to your superiors.
6. Don’t be too much on your phone in the office, scrolling reels or playing games. If you’re free then ask for work from everyone and even if no one gives it to you, read a book from the library.
2. Project Finance - This shall include churning out O&M agreements, markups on high yield loans for construction, port docketing diligence, seeking regulatory approvals, stressed asset acquisitions and real estate documentation. To outperform in this space, knowledge on real estate and finance shall be of utmost importance. Since very few firms put in quality work with very low margins, avoid it.
3. Fintech - DPDP compliance with specialized financial products of Banks/Fintechs/others and doing filing work for exemptions/mandatory disclosures, vetting joint ventures with technology companies and setting up privacy policy structures from time to time. Margins in this space is high because of a lot of foreign investment into financial companies to set up new schemes/products/credit facilities every now and then. Understanding the interplay between finance and tech will be deemed essential and margins are high in this space.
4. Debt Capital Markets - Although mundane and primarily focus would be on NCD/bond issuances & S4A offerings. The margin involved is very less and not a lot of firms are doing quality work. Thus, it can be avoided from a long term growth perspective.
5. Restructuring - This will include pre litigation and mid litigation advisory on high stake insolvency cases, arbitrations involving recovery of solvency proceeds and debt financing work for structuring the overall capital of companies. Very very low margin and can be avoided from a long term growth perspective.
Hope this adds weight to your question at hand, best of luck!
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There you go and yes congratulations!
*No monetary talks
I am writing this especially for graduates from 2022 and 2023 batches (but I hope it helps future batches as well). Being a member of this group and finding myself dissatisfied with how I am doing career wise, I have seen my peers also find themselves in vicious circle of career dissatisfaction. While some are still struggling to start with a stable role, many are headed to large urban places for litigation and law firms jobs. Others are continuing with their judiciary exam preparations and many more say that they would go for Masters. On the obvious part, mental stress, working hours, no good pay and feeling of being disconnected to family run through every answer. While my schoolmates in other professions also continue to survive the journey, they sing the similar song (though many not explicitly say it) that the discontent with their current position is something that haunt them.
Dear Seniors, what would be some positive things that you would like to say to cheer us up. How do we shed our impatience, get going with the uncertainties around us, assimilate and acclimatise more fluidly at workplace and become more caring, responsible and composite towards not just our near ones but people of various backgrounds around us.
They say these are challenging times to be on the planet, with so much going on. And you all have sailed through such challenges and have a knack of dealing with it. Please throw us some light, vent liveliness and walk us through your journey.
The floor is all yours!!
SDL is like a wedding venue with a pool, most of the alcohol parties are organised there only.
Nearest Market area is Mandore roughly 1Km from the campus gate, you can utilise the campus shuttle bus, Auto or the City Bus to reach there, we have a place called Mandore Garden where you can hang out.
People typically venture into the city to hang out as most of the good cafes and restaurants are there only, roughly 10km from the college. (Old City and Sardarpura)
2) The schedule is hectic, there have been days where I had 10 days of continuous tests and assignments back to back, but it is manageable you will get used to it.
The pattern is roughly like this per law subject:
4 Continuous Assessments along with a CRE (Moot) a project/midterms and a final end-term.
I have noticed changes with the arrival of the new VC, it has roughly been 2-3 months since her arrival, let's give her some time to see the complete results, but one thing is for sure she is much better than Poonam Pradhan Saxena.
3) I would recommend you prefer BBA LLB as BA faculty marks very badly, especially the History faculty, granted the BBA faculty is more strict but the mark disparity is very clear.
As you study BA/BBA till the third year choose wisely as a wrong stream selection will make your life a lot harder.
4) The ASLC has a mentorship program where each fresher receives a mentor from a pool of volunteer 3-5th Year students.
Ragging (As some of my peers like to refer it as Positive Interaction) is quite common and something which the university turns a blind eye to (atleast the Poonam Pradhan Saxena era administration) you can definitely avoid the same just takes a little effort.
But there are some stupid rules created like you cannot walk on the grass, not wear shorts and not hangout in places near the campus etc.(I personally did not follow even a single one, you may choose to follow or not follow the same)
This thread is already going around on WhatsApp groups and if the information is true it will not be long before it reaches the dramatis personae.
The kid is b/o 24 and unplaced, @mod pls redact some details from the og post, for the sake of their job.
Lastly, what sort of a fucked up person you need to be to ask an intern out when there is such a crazy power differential.
I want y’all to drop opinions based upon placements, foreign exposure and litigation. Mods please mark this thread featured, so as to gain attention. I really need urgent help
Mods kindly feature it.
Try out fintech apps read about financial services companies their business, and try to understand how they are doing what they are doing. Some questions to think about, these are just off the cuff.
1. Do they need a license to do this, or is this a partnership with a regulated entity?
2. Why do they need my OTP here?
3. Why do they need to KYC? Why is my Aadhar OTP not enough KYC? Basically try to think in terms of friction point the company will not want to do 1 bit more than it has to under law, so if you see any friction, in terms of OTP/KYC/Account Verification/Disclaimer/Disclosure, it is probably required by regulation and you should try to understand where does it originate from.
4. Some random questions why does this crypto exchange not support crypto withdrawals?
5. Why are there different type of banks what is the difference between cooperative & SFBs?
6. What is the difference between Payment Gateway and Payment Aggregator?
7. How does UPI work? Who is NPCI? What is a PSP/TPAP? What is PPI on UPI?
8. How does Mutual Fund Investments work? What is a Mutual Fund Distributor? What is an Investment Adviser/ Portfolio Manager? You can repeat this for each sectoral regulator (IRDAI, PFRDA, RBI (big daddy), SEBI, IBBI) pick up all the types of licenses they issue and try to understand the what, why and how.
The second best way is to read up on all major fintech issues/debates of the last decade and read and understand the regulation around that topic, at that day and as it stands today. For example FLDG , Digital Lending Guidelines, Payment Gateways-Chinese Loan Scams, Crypto-Chinese Loan Scams, Credit on PPI (Slice Shutdown), RBI hesitance in granting Universal Banking License/PA License (Congrats to Razorpay/Cashfree), RBI rescue schemes (BharatPe, Slice etc. For these topics there are some really good newsletters you can follow, if you read up their archives, and actually pick up the regulations to read and understand that is more than enough. My personal favourites are Fintales by Ikigai & MoneyRules by Setu, however they don't really go back long enough. I think if you search mint archives that is also a good source, I have been following news for some years now so have had the benefit of reading newspapers. Today, there are a lot of good newsletters that cover everything.
The third is just open Mondaq periodically and catch up on all recent updates or minor news.
This idea that bare reading of rules, regulations to learn fintech from scratch is a futile exercise in my opinion, it is boring, and you are unlikely to understand any thing you read. Although once you cover the basics, you do need to exhaustively read all of these regulations/acts etc. which many have listed here, but I would suggest starting from live examples and reverse engineer to reach the applicable law.
2. NBFC (SBR) Master Direction, 2023
3. Outsourcing of Financial Services Guidelines (for both banks and NBFCs; for NBFCs, it is now covered within the SBR MD)
4. Outsourcing of IT functions Guidelines.
5. Digital Lending Guidelines, 2022
6. Guidelines on Default Loss Guarantee, 2023
7. DPDP Act, 2023 - with a background of SPDI Rules 2008
8. Aadhaar Act
9. Aadhaar (Authentication and Offline Verification) Regs 2022
10. PMLA and PML Rules, 2005
11. PA-PG Guidelines
12. Debit and Credit Card Directions
13. Co-Lending Circular, Co-origination circular
14. PA-CB circular
15. PPI Master Directions
16. FEMA Circulars on Authorised Dealers
17. NPCI circulars and procedural guidelines
18. Consumer Protection Act and regulations / guidelines thereof
This is a broad overview of applicable laws in fintech.
Prevention Money Laundering Act
Directions for Opening and Operation of Accounts and Settlement of Payments for Electronic Payment Transactions Involving Intermediaries, 2009
Guidelines on Regulation of Payment Aggregators and Payment Gateways
Master Direction on Issuance and Operation of Prepaid Payment Instruments
Guidelines for Licensing of Payments Banks
Digital Lending Guidelines
Master Directions – Non-Banking Financial Company – Peer to Peer Lending Platform
Master Direction – Non-Banking Financial Company – Scale Based Regulation) Directions
Master Direction - Know Your Customer (KYC) Direction, 2016
Master Directions on Access Criteria for Payment Systems
Framework for Outsourcing of Payment and Settlement-related Activities by Payment System Operators
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/264496-guidance-uk-law-schools-lnat
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/285661-please-help-uk-universities-or-tier-1-nlu-if-only-i-get-them-after-a-gap-year
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/299207-giving-clat-but-what-about-abroad
A1 - 16L fixed, 4 - 6L variable
A2 - 19L fixed, 6 - 8L variable
A3 - 22L fixed, 8 - 10L variable
SA1 - 25L fixed, 10 - 12L variable
SA2 - 28L fixed, 12 - 14L variable
SA3 - 32L fixed, 14 - 16L variable
SA4 - 35L fixed, 16 - 18L variable
MA1 - 44L fixed, 20 - 25L variable
MA2 - 52L fixed, 20 - 25L variable
MA3 - 60L fixed, 20 - 25L variable
These are Mumbai figures but Delhi bills higher at TT&A since GS is seated with all the rainmakers at that side of the turf. Think they keep you hanging at MA since its a glorified Counsel/Junior Partner role; the firm expects you to run the deal being an MA i.e. open any deal on LinkedIn and you will see that the involvement of an MA is more than that of the Associate. That being said, TT&A's culture is something to look forward to with very complex deals, Ex Foreign BigLaw partners and one of the most polished talent pools that there can exist in the Indian market.
Some people here have posted queries about the online LLMs at Columbia, King's etc. Certainly, the courses and profs at such places are better than what one will get in India, while the costs are cheaper than going abroad. Working professionals also have flexibility. But the UGC notification means that such degrees will probably not be recognised here. The Indian government obviously wants to save foreign exchange and promote "Study in India", so they want to make people enrol for online courses in India. They would prefer if one enrols for an online LLM any Jindal or an NLU (those that offer online LLMs)
You may agree or disagree with the UGC's decision, but in view of this development I think people should only enrol for online LLMs in India. If you don't want to spend on Jindal, wait a few years and I am sure all the top NLUs will start one and offer courses at prices cheaper than Jindal.
I may sound preachy and you can dismiss what I say (I would have at your age because how can someone else understand what I am going through, right) but maybe I can help some of you.
I graduated almost a decade back and stupidly decided to not sit for placements but prepare for government exams. Appeared for Civil Services but couldn't clear. In the meantime had to stay alone in dingy houses in Delhi to prepare. During that period I would actively avoid my batchmates, stepped away from all the social media (to avoid seeing their foreign trip) and always wondered if I made a mistake. In the meantime my father's business went bankrupt and whether you belive it or not I had no idea. My parents hid everything while struggling with their financial problem even if that meant selling family jewellery.
After one of my unsuccessful attempts my father told me that I need to get a job for the family to sustain. I was so lost as I was now behind even my juniors and struggled with the idea to join as their juniors while had very limited skill set to consider any other field.
Thankfully at the same time one of my friends was appearing for an exam in which legal positions were also available and to my surprise very few law students appear in it due to low pay (despite what I read here that they are willing to do anything). I appeared and thankfully cleared it. This solved my problem of supporting my family because a family which has seen bankruptcy can survive on very little money. However, I still had batchmates travelling and partying while I had a budget a couldn't deviate no matter what. Soon thereafter I started looking for such exams where law students do not care to appear but with better pay and then moved to it. To my surprise there are so many that did it few times and reached a decent pay.
To my surprise after few years I got approached by headhunters because my skill set were in demand by law firms and soon I moved there. This has been few years and I think now I would like to believe I have done pretty well.
I know it is hard out there and no one should struggle after putting honest 5 years but some of you will have to. However, remember that it is a long career (irrespective of what influencers tell you) and a few years of perseverance will set off all the struggle you will have to have. It is hard but take a break from social media, calm down and make Plan B, C and D. At the end you will have a better story to tell.
Note: I got to know truly lonely people sitting at the top while working at a particular "toxic" team, not judging anyone but some of them are constantly grinding day and night after having "made it" in every metric.
Its a heavy cost you pay for getting to a certain point at Indian Biglaw where you get to choose your poison:
- Every legal opinion getting on Bloomberg, every deal headlining the TOI, clientele meetings at the Oberois and the deep pocket to get that Omega or a German automobile; at the cost of
- Rarely spending time with your family, going back to bed after the 3 AM meeting calls with your foreign client/team and waking up to endless emails; having constant anxiety about the final closing, billing and team management.
The money won't make sense after a point, you turn into a living wreck and eventually make partner. You loved the law while you were at college na? Now you will have emails from your alma matter and curious kids across law schools reaching out for internships and jobs. Thats the point where you will finally realize how time has passed and what it feels like to be on the other side of the table (thats when you deeply understand those group of "lonely people" that you worked for in your junior years and swore to never be like).
Sorry for this long ass reply haha, but I know you get an idea.
A0 - 15.6L fixed (no bonus component)
A1 - 17L fixed, 1.5 - 2.5L variable bonus
A2 - 19.5L fixed, 3 - 4L variable bonus
A3 - 22L fixed, 4 - 6L variable bonus
SA1 - 28L fixed, 7 - 9L variable bonus
SA2 - 33L fixed, 9 - 11L variable bonus
SA3 - 38L fixed, 11 - 13L variable bonus
PA1 - 45L fixed, 15 - 20L variable bonus
PA2 - 50L fixed, 15 - 20L variable bonus
PA3 - 55L fixed, 15 - 20L variable bonus
OC1 - 60L fixed, more than 20L variable bonus
OC2 - 65L fixed, more than 20L variable bonus
SP1 - 75L fixed, everything else variable
SP2 - 80L fixed, everything else variable
SP3 - 85L fixed, everything else variable
EP* - upwards of a crore, everything else equity