Nehi bro. 20 isn’t a ‘too old’ kinda age. I don’t usually comment here (only a keen observer) but this was literally the hot topic few months back. You can even check some threads. I agree with a point mentioned in this forum only that see even a person taking just a year drop can make them graduate at 24. Depends on you. Your batchmates won’t be too young or infact some will be your age only - I can confirm this because a 20 year old in my batch is a topper infact. And there are many of them. This is not any norm but this has become quite normal after 2020. Check some threads if you wanna comfort yourself.

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/256763-graduating-at-245-normal-right

I don’t know why I get so emotional when I see threads like these because trust me I was in the same boat as you were. Dear bro/sis , you will never be late if you start at 20. Tons of my friends did start at 20 at a tier-1(to not sound vague , one my frnds started at NLIU around this age and two my frnds started at NLS around this age) and hey I am also going to mention myself. The average batch age of tier-1 nlu varies a lot (especially at NLS). When you will actually go to law school , you will realise 20 is a fairly young age because half of the batch average will range from 19-20. Considering the fact that clat is happening this December , and your admission next year will be way before your birthday (since clearly you haven’t turned 20 yet this year) , I will say go for it. You won’t regret it. That being said NLU’O is doing fairly well (yes there are humongous administration problems) but the placements haven’t taken a hit yet. You can count on it. But I don’t know why , even though I don’t know you , your confidence and faith in yourself can make things happen for the greater good in this year’s clat.

Please ensure you balance your academics with clat preparation. Promise yourself and start hustling. Time will give you your value if you make good use of it. I understand your concerns but trust me this drop won’t be a big deal. If you wanna get in touch , I will drop my mail. But try to follow this advice first. As you said yourself , you are taking a partial drop. If you are mature enough to make it this time , you will be judicious later on as well. Go ahead , ace your acad at Odisha , prep well for clat. It’s hardly 5 months. You can do it ❤️

I’m an alum: There will be all kinds in nalsar. And you never know who your friends will be. I had friends across caste class religion gender sexuality political ideology lines.

Insecurity is more about you than them. Best you focus on improving yourself rather than complaining about others during your nalsar years. Try not to judge a book by it’s cover. Best stay off social media for peace of mind.

Boss!!

Firstly, taking admission in JMI doesn't remain the same easy task which use to be, considering the 25K application failing each year from last 3 consecutive years.

Still if you want to take admission, Its all depend on yours circumstances.

Last year I also opted JMI over sub tier 2 NLUs based on NIRF ranking [it was 7 earlier].

Key consideration that makes me to do so;

1) Location advantage:

- You won't believe it; if you want to pursue corporate, SAM, DSK, Induslaw, Ahlawat and many firms have their office within 4 KM of radius.

- New friends colony & Defence colony (heaven of & for boutique firms) are 3 KM & 7 KM far respectively.

2) Accessibility to different judicature:

- Honorable Supreme Court, 9.8 Km

- Honourable Delhi HC, 8.1 Km

- 7 district courts:

a) Tis Hazari Courts

b) Patiala House Court

c) Rouse Avenue Court

d) Karkardooma Court

e) Saket Court

f) Rohini Court

g) Dwarka Court

- 10 Tribunals:

a) Appellate Tribunal for Electricity

b) Central Administrative Tribunal

c) Competition Appellate Tribunal

d) Customs, Excise and Service Tax Appellate Tribunal

e) Cyber Appellate Tribunal

f) Income Tax Appellate Tribunal

g) Railway Claims Tribunal

h) Debt Recovery Tribunal

i) National Company Law Tribunal

j) National Green Tribunal

3) FEES;

No law school can give you a well reputed degree for the nominal fee of 9,600 per year within the geographical & extra-geographical boundary of India.

4) RCA:

If your interest is titled by CSE, you can avail internal quota in RCA & congratulations then you've 27% probability that you can crack it, in comparision of 1.7% success rate of any renowned extravagant coaching.

5) Interdisciplinary environment:

You'll get to meet people from diverse disciplines, & it's very much possible that they can be your potential client or can act as yardstick to bridge you & a far client.

6) 10th Semester exclusive for internships:

You'll get almost 6 crucial months during your ultimate year of graduation to go through as many as (Assessment based) internship, without any headache for a single day of class during those last semester.

Coming to placement, there is no guarantee from the administration perhaps because of their traditional approach to build JMI, a factory for judges. But there exists an implied guarantee that if you'll do smart work, you can make grandiose connections that can ultimately ensure that you'll get PPO beforehand.

Hope you'll find this useful, take a risk in the life, do something out of the box & you'll thanks me later.

100 share certificates? RIL is a listed company- those shares have now been dematerialised. the current value of RIL shares is roughly INR 2.4K- Depending on value of share, if the shares' value exceed INR 50 lacs, which is possible if a share certificate pertains to multiple shares, obtain a succession certificate from the District Judge. For less than 50 lacs, an ordinary indemnity bond might suffice. All depends on which demat you are dealing with

Aim to have at least two decent publications by the end of the year, intern at least twice with good firms, if not the major players, read samples of drafting basic legal documents from literature available on the Internet, Youtube or books, increase your public speaking and presentation skills (you may even discuss those with the senior LLB students who have cracked interviews), learn to use the databases well for research and come up with a decent piece of dissertation.

As a recent graduate from NUJS, I will say this. I consider NLUD to be a very good place to study law at for any student in this country at present. It has made a name for itself within less than 5 years from when their first batch had graduated, which is always a good indicator of the quality of an institution. I consider NLUD to be a place from which many other institutions including my own alma can learn several things. Whether NLUD too can and should learn from other institutions is of course a matter for their own students to ponder about and not my place to comment upon. I have got several friends from there with whom I am on the best of terms, and they are as good and capable as any that I have seen. I have never understood the motivation of all the anonymous mudslinging that goes on in this forum, be it against NLUD, NUJS, NLSIU or anywhere else.

To the young law students or aspirants who visit here, I would like to only say that the real world is quite different, with those who are successful or on their way to achieving success understanding that you don't have to drag anyone else down in order to do better, and that this industry is too small to engage in petty and mindless bickering with each other. If NLUD has got any shortcoming, then I would expect their students, admin and faculty to work together on their own to sort that out, just as we would be trying to do that for NUJS. I don't really see what business outsiders have with that, or any constructive difference that the vitriol spewed here serves. The moderator has not really done a good job in controlling all this hatred that goes on around this NIRF ranking business every year, but at the same time, we all can and should do better too. Let's all support each other instead of tearing into each other, the educational scene and the profession would both benefit from such sense, I assure you. Neither I, nor anybody whom I know in real life from my university has got any ill-will towards NLUD or its students, or NLSIU, NALSAR or anyone else for that matter, and I haven't actually known anyone from those places to have such either. That's the real world deal for you, LI notwithstanding. Peace out.

No not for a year. Lemme tell you how this works.

1. For Harvard you can pursue the exchange but only for a semester. There is no particular eligibility criteria per se(ofc you have to be in your 4th year to say the least). The batch toppers are usually preferred(1-3). You have to take a special faculty letter for the course you want your credits transferred for that semester. It’s very selective and sometimes lol even no one is selected. Usually only one person ends up going. It’s that selective.

2. Now for other universities like SOAS , UVirginia , LSE and Dartmouth you can transfer for an entire year. The university will pay 20% of that equivalent tuition fee if you are selected. And the rest depends upon you. This can start from the 4th year as well. I for instance spent an entire semester at UCL.

You will gain a solid advantage depending on the MBA specification you opt for. For instance , one of my very close friend opted for finance after law school(NLU-D) and sailed smoothly through the coursework at IIM Calcutta. During the placement season , he bagged a reputed Sequoia(which is now ofc Peak XV)position. His 2 years of Corporate Law work was complemented by his performance in CapMarks.

And what I have heard from him is that this advantage is more pronounced abroad. The M7 MBA especially Booth has proxies relating to connection forming PE and Gen Corp. Sadly he couldn’t make it into the M7 due to his low gmat score and several other factors in the application.

Stop dreaming buffoons.CAM strikes again, ofcourse without leaving any fingerprints.Cant say I am surprised,this was ery much expected of the Amarchands.I mean ▮▮▮ Well, future of million of lawyers stand destroyed because Lala shop CAM can't withstand competition.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/litigation/entry-of-foreign-lawyers-and-law-firms-bar-council-of-delhi-high-court-bar-association-seek-stay-on-bci-rules

After spending nearly 3 decades as: In House Counsel, in a Law Firm, as a Litigating advocate... my reminiscences for the current students and freshers is:

- Any place can be toxic, it all depends on the people. Sure, some law forms are known toxic. But so are some Corporates too- ICICI, GE, etc., were slave masters and work-life balance was unheard of.

- It's a tough call at your age to balance work and Life. I have cursed (looks like nothing has happened to the opposite party though !!!) a million times, when sales folks send something on a friday night (or worse on saturday/sunday) and expect that you respond immediately.

- I know lots of people, who continue to get brow beaten in In-house/Law firms, as the pay cheque is important. We should respect their decision and let them choose when and how to lead their lives.

- Litigation is exhilarating only if the month end bills are not a bother, but the challenges in lit are not to be taken lightly. Clients are notoriously tough when it come to paying fees, the less said about the court system- the better. Counsels sometimes have to wait for a whole day as the list may not move at all owing to some big matter taking up the whole day. Imagine doing nothing for a whole day, when you have to be ready to argue at a few minutes notice.

So all in all, no place is kind or welcoming... it all depends on what you bring to the table. You will need to make choices- and at times the results can be disappointing, but that is life.

All the best folks.

From Oldie.

Hightime We Disregard NIRF Rankings? (IT IS USELESS)

The 2023 rankings are as follows:

1. National Law School of India University - Bengaluru, Karnataka

2. National Law University - New Delhi, Delhi

3. Nalsar University of Law - Hyderabad, Telangana

4. The West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences - Kolkata, West Bengal

5. Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi - New Delhi, Delhi

6. Symbiosis Law School - Pune, Maharashtra

7. Gujarat National Law University - Gandhinagar, Gujarat

8. Siksha O Anusandhan - Bhubaneswar, Odisha

9. Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur - Kharagpur, West Bengal

10. Babasheb Bhimrao Ambedkar University - Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh

11. Saveetha Institute of Medical and Technical Sciences - Chennai, Tamil Nadu

12. Kalinga Institute of Industrial Technology - Bhubaneswar, Odisha

13. Christ University - Bengaluru, Karnataka

14. Aligarh Muslim University - Aligarh, Uttar Pradesh

15. Shanmugha Arts Science Technology & Research Academy - Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu

16. Lovely Professional University - Phagwara, Punjab

17. Indian Law Institute - New Delhi, Delhi

18. National Law Institute University - Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh

19. Guru Gobind Singh Indraprastha University - New Delhi, Delhi

20. The Rajiv Gandhi National University of Law - Patiala, Punjab

21. Dr. Ram Manohar Lohiya National Law University - Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh

22. Banaras Hindu University - Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh

23. Amity University Haryana - Gurugram, Haryana

24. National University of Study & Research in Law - Ranchi, Jharkhand

25. Alliance University - Bengaluru, Karnataka

26. Army Institute of Law, Sector-68 - Mohali, Punjab

27. Nirma University - Ahmedabad, Gujarat

28. National Law University and Judicial Academy - Kamrup, Assam

29. Manipal University Jaipur - Jaipur, Rajasthan

30. National Law University - Cuttack, Odisha

I can wrap my head around the frivolous contentions one might have with the ranking like NLUD>NALSAR/ Symbiosis>GNLU/ RGNUL>RMLNLU but this is RIDICULOUS. On further inspection, I came to realise that it's not as rigged as one might think.

The parameters:

1. Teaching, Learning & Resources (TLR):

- Student Strength including Doctoral Students (SS): Represents the total number of students enrolled in the institution, including doctoral students. It is calculated based on factors such as undergraduate (UG) and postgraduate (PG) student numbers.

- Faculty-student ratio with emphasis on permanent faculty (FSR): This ratio indicates the number of students per faculty member in the institution, with a focus on permanent faculty members.

- Combined metric for Faculty with Ph.D. (or equivalent) and Experience (FQE): This represents the combined score for faculty members who possess a Ph.D. degree or its equivalent and have relevant experience.

- Financial Resources and their Utilisation (FRU): Reflects the financial resources available to the institution and how effectively they are utilized.

2. Research and Professional Practice (RP):

- Combined metric for Publications (PU): Measures the number of research publications from the institution.

- Combined metric for Quality of Publications (QP): Evaluates the quality of the research publications, considering factors such as citations and impact.

- Footprint of Projects and Professional Practice (FPPP): Indicates the involvement of the institution in projects and professional practice.

3. Graduation Outcomes (GO):

- Combined metric for Placement and Higher Studies (GPH): Reflects the percentage of students placed in jobs or pursuing higher studies after graduation.

- Metric for University Examinations (GUE): Evaluates the performance of students in university examinations.

- Median Salary (GMS): Represents the median salary earned by graduates from the institution.

- Metric for Number of Ph.D. Students Graduated (GPHD): Measures the number of Ph.D. students successfully completing their degrees.

4. Outreach and Inclusivity (OI):

- Percentage of Students from Other States/Countries (Region Diversity RD): Represents the percentage of students enrolled from other states within the country or other countries.

- Percentage of Women (Women Diversity WD): Indicates the percentage of female students enrolled in the institution.

- Economically and Socially Challenged Students (ESCS): Evaluates the representation and support provided to economically and socially challenged students.

- Facilities for Physically Challenged Students (PCS): Reflects the availability of facilities and support for students with physical disabilities.

5. Perception (PR):

- Peer Perception: Employers & Academic Peers (PR): Represents the perception of the institution among employers and academic peers.

At first glance, you might not be able to discern the premeditated fallacies behind these rankings.

The truth lies in the calculations of these parameters, for example, SS would take into account the number of students enrolled under the Ph.D. course which would inherently put institutes that don't enroll higher Ph.D. candidates at a disadvantage as per the devised formula.

If we take a look at the weightage of FSR & FQE, we would find that it rewards more for the quantity of the faculty members rather than the quality of them. You can take FSR (30 marks) simply as a student-faculty ratio, while the FQE only takes into account those faculties that are Ph.D. + accounts for the experience they have. Some universities scored full on FSR but struggled to fetch even 10 marks in FQE.

ESCS which evaluates the representation and support provided to economically and socially challenged students is calculated on the basis of the percentage of UG students being provided FULL tuition fee reimbursement by the institution to pursue their degree programs. I mean- there are programmes in many NLUs/private unis where they award percentage scholarships for meritorious students coming from SC/ST category but this doesn't take it into account until and unless it is fully covered, I don't get why.

Coming to the PR (Peer Perception) scores, they are by far the most rigged aspect of the ranking. NUJS scored a humble 50.8, while Christ University and Indian law institute astonishingly scored 61.15 and 74.17 respectively. Apart from the Top 3, none of the universities managed to get close to Rizzed perception of these two institutes.

To sum it up, this is a pretty useless ranking with no real-world application, going by the metrics alone I wouldn't be surprised if an unknown university manages to beat NLS if it really wants to. And the most significant things that a student realistically looks upon are placements and scope for higher education which doesn't seem to be a priority here since it constitutes just 16.25% of all the parameters.

Note: All the statistics are verified from the official website itself and if someone wants to look into the formulas then he/she shall go to: https://www.nirfindia.org/nirfpdfcdn/2022/framework/Law.pdf

A good article I read on this issue last year by GS Bajpai: Rankings that make no sense - The Hindu

There was a detailed comment wrt the comparison between Judge Advocate General Branch & the State Public Services Commission exam. However, I found it to be factually incorrect and decided to pen down a full fledged comparison:

1. Exam:

JAG-There is no written exam for entry into the JAG branch of Army and Navy(no direct recruitment in IAF, offrs absored from the regular cadre). Vacancies are mostly in single digit(6-7 in Army & 2-3 in Navy) .All law graduates attaining a stipulated %age during their graduation can appear for the rigorous Services Selection Board(SSB) which is a five day interview process.

PCSJ-On the other hand, there is a state judicial services exam conducted by the respective state judicial services commn. In some states, the HC also conducts the recruitment process.

2. Certainity of the exam

Since the entry into the JAG is conducted by the SSB under the purview of the UPSC, there is a certainity (Notifications come out every year) of the recruitment taking place every year. No undue delay in notification/release of. result etc

The PCSJ exam is highly certain and notification based, for instance the UPPCSJ took place after a gap of five years which adds to the anxiety of the candidates and is highly unfair to say the least. Coming to the results, there is no calender which is followed. Everything takes its own sweet time. There are lots of instances of favouritism in these state level exams. Thus, the candidate is forced to appear for multiple state judiciary exams.

3. Perception of the exam

Recruitment into the Armed Forces(Army, Navy, IAF) is controlled by the UPSC which reflects that the entire process of recruitment is fair and transparent, like all other UPSC exams.

Since the State PSCs are regularly marred by complaints of irregularity, favouritism and corruption, this generally gives an impression that it is a typical state level exam.

4. Perception of the service:

The State PCSJ appointed cannot be compared with the Armed forces or the Civil Servants recruited by the UPSC. At best, they can be compared to any officer selected through the state administrative services, state police services etc.

5. Pay and allowances

The pay and allowances of the Armed Forces are the highest amongst any govt service in the country, even higher than the All India Services(IAS,IPS, IFS). It is noteworthy to note that the only defences officers are paid pension unlike other services like Judiciary which have reverted to the New Pension Scheme. (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/defence-personnel-get-higher-pay-than-civilian-counterparts/articleshow/49886547.cms).

I haven't come to the allowances part yet. The JAG offrs are paid higher than the regular offrs due to the Non Practising Allowance(NPA) which is added to their regular salary. On top of that, JAG offrs are provided fully furnished( accommodations to their place of posting(Unlike judicial offrs who are given a meagre allowance for furniture, tech etc once in 3-4 yrs). You don't have to spend a single penny on your accommodation after shifting to a new town. In field areas JAG offrs are entitled to keep 2 accommodations(in any city) They can also avail free flight tickets for themselves, spouse and children ( Certain stipulated number of tickets). Until recently, the offrs could easily travel via IAF jets while coming home on leave, the rule has now been changed which allows the offrs to travel on chartered Flights(Similar to regular flight, these flights are run by airlines specifically for Armed Forces without any charge, however family members cannot travel). Air India also provides 50 % concession to defence personnel and their families(Rebate in other airlines is a maximum of 25pc).

Unlike the judicial services. the children of the defence offrs can avail all benefits( treatment in Military Hospitals, access to CSD) until they are 25 years of age(21 in case of other govt services).

The JAG officers are provided accommodation in military cantonments which is generally the cleanest and greenest part of any town. However small the town, it will have all top notch facilities ranging from Golf Courses, Race Course, Clubs, Swimming Pools sports club, tax-free booze to theatres( PS- free of cost). On the contrary, a State judicial services offices is provided nothing more than an accommodation(that too in a crowded area in the middle of the town) if he is posted(mostly) in a Tier 3 city/ rural area.

6. Training and Posting

The initial training of JAG offrs takes place in Officers Training Academy, Chennai(Naval Academy, Kerala) for Navy JAg offrs) After commissioning the training is done in Indian Military Institute, Delhi, technically all big metropolitan cities. As far as posting is concerned, JAG offrs of the army are not posted to far flung and remote areas like the judicial offrs( Civil Judge Junior Division of Balasore or Jalgaon). They are mostly(90 pc of their service) posted in Command/Corps Headquarters( All capital cities or top 2-3 cities of a state). The posting scene is even better in the Navy where JAG offrs hardly get posted to any city other than Mumbai, Kochi, Vizag, Calcutta etc.

Another fact which needs to be taken in into consideration is that the transfer of judical offrs takes place only in a particular state(Eg Rajasthan), which further reduces the chances of staying in a big city. You will not get posted to Jaipur more than once or twice in your career.Since it is a state service, there is no concept of central deputation(Delhi posting).

JAG offrs travel through the length and breadth of the country on postings and also get an opportunity to get posted in Delhi.

7. Promotion:

A judicial offr would start off as a civil judge(Jr divsion) and can at most rise to an ADJ/DJ( Fag end of career). Someone commented that a civil judge could be promoted to DJ within 15 yrs, I doubt its veracity as a DJ is generally a person who is 55 + yrs of age. A jag offr starts off as a Lieutenant and could rise to the rank of a Major General(JAG of Indian Army). Again, someone commented that only a few rise to the rank of a Maj Gen. Agreed, but in the Armed forces even if you dont get promoted, your pay scale is equated to the higher ranks, unlike the judiciary where the pay scales are not equated. So an ADJ will continue to draw lesser salary than a DJ even if he has missed the promotion. On the contrary, a Colonel/Brigadier's pay is equated to a a major General/Lt Gen even if he doesn't make the cut.

The 2023 NIRF rankings are out. I am sure there will be plenty of comments and the usual trolling about it soon enough. I just wanted to leave behind a few observations from my side. For transparency's sake, I am an NLS grad myself (between 2016-2018, cannot be more specific in case someone I know comes across this), worked in a firm for a few years, did a foreign LLM, came back to work for a policy body, planning to do a PhD from abroad next and then return to Indian academia. As such, I have more than considerable interest in the Indian legal education sector, and I would really like to see the universities, especially the public ones, do well and their students prosper. I do not believe that grads from my alma are inherently superior in any way, though they do happen to enjoy a few advantages and privileges. So given that background, here goes my observations about the 2023 rankings. I have been a critique of NIRF and its methodology in the past, but it is still the reality that we have to deal with.

1. The top 4 are more or less without any surprise. I think most people other than trolls would agree with it at this stage.

2. NLUJ is an important omission in this year. Jindal is another, but they have so far stayed out of this as a matter of policy. NLUJ has participated in the past. One wonders why they could not or did not participate in this year.

3. NLS has shown significant improvement (2.5 points overall from last year). Their teaching learning resources and graduate outcomes have dropped a little, but there is a huge jump in research and publications. This is probably because of all the new hires and the new admin encouraging the faculty to publish more.

4. The perception ranking, always a subject of criticism directed at NIRF, does not disappoint this year either. There are many examples of this, but let us just consider a couple for now. NUJS' perception score has dropped hard to 50, which cannot be accounted for by any specific reason, since it has apparently done well in all other parameters, thereby mitigating the damage to the overall score. In fact, without the perception score, the overall scores of NLUD, NALSAR and NUJS across other parameters are 274.54, 271.91, and 272.79 respectively, so not really much to choose from these 3 yet. I would personally have favoured NLUD over the other 2 myself had I been joining law school now, but that is because I believe that an enterprising law student can make excellent use of the proximity to Delhi (SC, law firms etc.) and there is no harm in having better infra and hostel even if it is not essential to my studies. I honestly have not seen any qualitative difference between the grads of NLS, NALSAR, NLUD and NUJS in the industry or academia, but I don't want to get into that debate at all. Even without the perception score, the top 4 would have remained almost the same, with NUJS and NALSAR swapping their positions, that's all. What makes this perception score of NUJS completely ridiculous is that universities like Symbi and Christ have scored 65 and 61, and ILI Delhi has scored 74! I do not know how this score is calculated, because NIRF has never revealed objective details, but based on what they do reveal on their websites, academics prefer to join Symbi, Christ and ILI over NUJS and industry people prefer the grads of Christ, ILI and Symbi a lot over NUJS grads. Both of these, I can speak from experience, are bollocks! My own alma may have enough legacy achievements and current positive developments to merit a high perception score, but scoring 100/100 is really a bit too much. I really hope that NIRF would either scrap this parameter altogether or reveal objectively verifiable details about how it is calculated.

5. Jamia comes up two notches this year (7 to 5). This place has been doing steadily better in these rankings (got the 7th rank couple of times before, 8th and 9th once each). I honestly don't know much about the place, having met only a few grads from there, but if it can keep this up, then hopefully, its placement scene will improve eventually, which will be a good thing for the students.

6. I had hoped GNLU to have a better rank in this year, maybe within top 5, but it still does not seem to have figured out how to make that leap yet. It was doing well till 2021 (highest rank: 6), but lagged a little behind since then. This year it too has been hit by the perception monster though, scoring only 53 in that front.

7. Symbi is back to the middle of the top 10, after having a meteoric rise to 3 last year. As I mentioned earlier, its perception score is a bit of an enigma. It has one of the lowest research and publication scores though, should focus on it much more.

8. The enigmatic Siksha O Anusandhan still retains a top 10 position (in fact, it has improved its ranking from 9 to 8) and has a perception score that is not that far from NUJS or GNLU. I confess that I haven't met anyone from this place yet, only seen their ads. Which is what surprises me, given their rank.

9. IIT KGP has fallen from 6 to 9 this year, their teaching learning resources having taken a hit, which even an increased research score could not offset entirely.

10. The new entrant in the top 10 is Babasaheb Bhimrao Ambedkar University, Lucknow. Previously, it was a college, and had ranked the last in 2018 (10th) and 2019 (15th). Since then, it had not featured till this year. Again, I know a couple of grads from there who are into litigation, don't know much about the place.

11. KIIT, AMU, Saveetha, Sastra and LPU are featuring in the 11-16 zone, with the order having changed a little from last year. Christ comes up to 13 this year, with a robust perception score. BHU has dropped from 20 to 22.

12. NLIU Bhopal continues to languish, having dropped 3 places from last year (15 to 18) and barely remains within the top 20. Unfortunate to see one of the older NLUs gradually dropping through the ranks. A little surprising given their alumni base and decent placements. Their infra is not bad there, though location is a problem.

13. HNLU continues to remain out of the ranking, which one would have thought would change after VCV took over as the VC. They don't seem to be ready enough for this yet.

14. NLUO has slipped a few spots and just retained a rank within 30 (25 last year). NLUJA has dropped from 24 to 28 in this year, though I am not sure how it continues to remain ahead of NLUO (the teaching learning resources score is the only parameter in which it is ahead in this year).

15. RGNUL and RMLNLU both have slipped a few spots in this year, though remains within top 30. NUSRL has dropped from 22 to 24. NUALS still has not come back after 2021.

16. 3 new private universities have joined the fray in this year, Alliance from Bengaluru, Nirma from Gujarat, and Manipal from Jaipur. UPES, which was there at a respectable 21 rank last year, is not there at all in this year. Amity Gurgaon has come up from 27 last year to 23 in this year and Army Law Institute maintains the same 26th position.

17. The 3 MNLUs, CNLU, TNNLU, DSNLU, NLU Sonepat, NLU Tripura are still not here. The last 2 may be too new, but the others should have been around somewhere. At least CNLU, DSNLU have been around for long enough.

That's it from my side. These are all objective quant observations apart from my little rant about the perception score, which has got several quant points in support. I honestly don't care about the upvoting, downvoting or trolling. People may do any or all of those and/or comment/ troll to their hearts' content. So long as they take some interest in the legal education sector here. If I get time, I will publish a detailed analysis of all NIRF data over the last few years some day. Till then, cheers!

Analysis of NIRF 2023 rankings

https://www.nirfindia.org/2023/LawRanking.html

- NLU ranking is NLSIU>NLUD>NALSAR>NUJS>GNLU>NLIU>RGNUL>RMLNLU>NLU Ranchi>NLU Assam >NLUO. This is fine, except for the fact that NLUJ should be included and ranked below GNLU and above NLIU. Also, HNLU should be included and ranked below RMLNLU and above NLU Ranchi.

- NLSIU retains 100/100 perception rank for the 7th year running, as well as a very good faculty research score. This remains the biggest reason why NLSIU remains #1.

- The graduate outcomes (placements) score for NLSIU, NLUD, NALSAR and NUJS are almost the same., but the research and perception score much lower than NLSIU.

- NUJS has an extremely poor perception rank of 50/100, the lowest among all the major NLUs. But its placement score is above NLUD and NALSAR.

Thus, if any college wants to overtake NLSIU, it needs to need up faculty research and perception: essentially, do what Sudhir is doing by hiring well-qualified faculty.

NLSIU>NLUD>NALSAR top 3 hierarchy maintained and confirmed for 5th or 6th time, I think.

https://www.timesnownews.com/education/nirf-ranking-2023-law-nlsui-bangalore-vs-nlu-delhi-complete-list-of-top-law-colleges-article-100756748

Have you ever boarded a train the UK? At this point, walking from Colchester to London would be a better option than taking the train. Trains in the UK are an absolute shitshow compared to France, The Netherlands, Switzerland, Italy etc.

Notable exception is Germany; Deutsche Bahn has never in my life reached on the right time any time I have boarded it but it is still better than the UK.

Just to be a bit more clear since I sounded a bit vague in some of my explanations- kian/R maybe merge this info with the previous thread or just mark it featured so that the OP notices it. Yeah so coming back , so nuances which I might wanna tell you

1. I know this advice of maintaining grades and preparing for clat is a lot easier said than done. I should take into consideration your mental health too. Know this when I mention it - getting balanced grades (rank of 1-20) in the batch and preparing for clat 3-4 hours are enough. Trust me. You just have to do it everyday. And follow your schedule rigorously. Listen to good music , talk to your batchmates and have a good laugh. You can do it.

Regards.

Hey first of all please don’t worry. Your mental health is crucial. I understand how this can mess up one’s peace but please make sure that you are taking all necessary measures to keep yourself calm. Coming to some solutions now :

1. You can obviously retake clat but thoroughly analyse where you went wrong. Did you make mistakes like wrongly filling OMR bubbles or marking correct answer as a wrong one. If yes then definitely retake it.

If not the above problem , do you think you still can give your best? Trust me procrastination is seriously annoying. If that impeded you from performing your best (coupled with other personal factors) , then please retake it. Honestly speaking if you make it into a tier-1 , it can stabilise your life a bit. If you think you can still give your 100 percent , lage raho.

2. SLS-P is doing amazing now my friend. If you feel that you are exhausted with your clat prep , you can just choose not to do it. Have you seen this year’s placements? Some of my close friends who are studying at SLS are really happy with the improvement. It has a long way to go but hey there is nothing sls can’t offer you.

3. Clat is not easy anymore. It’s easy in parts but on a whole new level you have to prepare rigorously to handle the adversity and unpredictability. The reason I am saying this because I know very well that you might be swayed away from your target if you feel you have already a year and half worth of prep. Don’t do that mistake if you are retaking clat. Give yourself some time. Think about your reasoning. Positively practise and maintain your grades at sls.

4. Don’t lose focus from your academia - Maintain your grades at sls and learn to sacrifice. There will be fresher parties , dine outs and more fun activities - but don’t let that distracts you if you are serious about clat 2024. Do intern and partake in moot orientations. That will still be academically nourishing.

5. Don’t listen to people who mention that you don’t have it in you to crack clat or any other exam for that matter. Aim for the best ranks in the exam (trust me it can even help you to get Aditya Birla scholarship - did wonders for me) , and you are sorted. But sls pune in itself is very nice if not the best.

If you face any problem , you can reach out to me. But before that you can follow the advice given here :)

Regards

I am a law student and have used it for legal research. Chatgpt is a good substitute of normal Google research. It helps me understand a brief overview of the topic and maybe a few points of contentions. However, u can never rely on the material for sure, surely not for references. It makes up cases that doesn't exist, books/articles that have never been written!

Start your research with chatgpt but it's product must not be the final thing u submit, every single fact must be cross-checked

Both are dream job of law graduates. One is military service while other is civil service. Let's compare b/w them :-

JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL (JAG)

1. SELECTION: All India level exam, seats are very limited (last year 6 for male & 3 for women). Only candidates age between 21 to 27yr age are eligible & no concept of reservation. Initially everyone granted SSC max. for 14yr on expiry (if not fit & eligible) released from the service. But if fit & eligible than only Permanent Commission granted (before expiry b/w 10 to 14yr). So not only cracking exam is tough but continuing in service is more tough. Also there is no scheme of lateral entry.

2. JURISDICTION : It only deals with criminal matters related within the Military provided under Army/Navy/Airforce Act. Any causality to civilians or if rape/murder/CH done within armed forces than only civilian (district) courts can deals. So the work scope is very much limited.

3. POWER : Simple punishment to Death penalty can be offered. Trial court presided by min. 5 or max. 9 member in which judgement by majority followed based on jury advised.

4. PROMOTION SCOPE : Join at Lt. and max. can be promoted upto Major General (min. 27yr of service required). Majority get retired at Lt. Colonel or Colonel rank and only best may make for Brigadier & Major General.

5. PAY & ALLOWANCES : Starting salary Rs. 56100 & max. 1.44L (Major General). Allowances paid among Army/Navy/Airforce grades are much higher than any govt. services. If exclude DA (currently 42%), only cash allowances makes around Rs.94k to 1.2L/M.

6. FACILITIES : Mostly you'll be allotted well semi furnished type 5 bungalows (sometime flat accommodation also) from starting. From Brigadier rank fully furnished type 6 bungalows allotted. Independent Car facilities or TA in lieu given from starting.

7. WORK CULUTRE : They also have mixed culture i.e., challenging but interesting. It is a judicial service so free from any political or other pressures and is job in military so definitely no room for laziness or pending works. All rules/ethics/conducts strictly monitored or followed and no mercy on failing or breaching.

8. SECURITY & TRANSFER : Regarding this there is no issue like PCS (J), an adequate number of security given at every level & everywhere. The transfers done anywhere but within armed forces jurisd. include HQs or in central ministries or other places as central govt. deems fit.

STATE JUDICIAL SERVICE [PCS (J)]

1. SELECTION : State level exam, seats are high, candidate b/w 21 to 35yr age can appear & age relaxation + few seats for reserved candidates. No SSC or PC rule applied & posted for fixed age i.e., 60 for district, 62 for HC & 65 for SC. Lateral Entry scheme are there at DJ, HC & SC level. Thus it is Easier than JAG to crack.

2. WORK SCOPE : They have wider areas to deal from criminal, civil to quasi-judicial matters. Even they can initiate proceeding against military personnel's even if civilians not involved on grounds time to time notify by Central Govt. They deals with matters pertains to both State & Central Law in India. Even they can deal any other matters if not expressly or impliedly barred by any Act/notification.

3. POWER : The actual court power is here. Unlike JAG, every JO's have independent court & vested with independent power. No jury or majority rule apply (except in HC/SC). Even death sentence can be passed by single judge (subject to approval of HC). District Court judges have much power than counterpart JAG Grades.

4. PROMOTION SCOPE : joining at Civil Judge (Jr. Divi.) for lower judiciary & ADJ for Higher Judiciary and max. can be promoted upto the post of Chief Justice of India (last post of Indian Judiciary). For HC 1/3rd seats reserved for district judiciary. promotion is easier than JAG as one can reach to the highest post of district judiciary within 15 to 20yr of service (in ADJ within 11 to 16yr).

5. PAY & ALLOWANCES : Civil Judge starting Rs.77840 & ADJ starting Rs. 1.45L/m. So min. 78K & max. 2.8L (CJI). Allowances are nearly at par with All India Service grades but very less than JAG officers. Round figure of cash allowances ranges between Rs.12K to 30K for Civil Judges while Rs. 25K to 70K for DJ ranks.

6. FACILITIES : Type 5 semi furnished flat accommodation provided to every judges of district judiciary except PDJs or Special Judges (in DJ ranks) or CJMs (who get type 6 furnished bungalows). Regarding car except PDJ/ADJ-1/CJMs/Special Judges (in DJ ranks) all are provided either pool car or fuel allowances.

7. WORK CULTURE : Mixed culture, free from all type of pressures or interference. Strictness but less than JAG.

8. SECURITY & TRANSFER : At starting no security provided except PDJs/CJMs/ADJs/ SDJMs/JM (holding special criminal courts) however in many states armed-home guard facilities deployed at judicial accommodations. As per SC order every district court judges shall be transferred on completing 3yr at one place. Transfers mainly within states but deputation varies as may be posted in central ministries or sometime in military departments too.

Conclusion : Except 1-2 factors PCS (J) seems to have better opportunities than JAG. Well both have merit and demerit. it is upon candidates to decide keeping various factors in mind. Whoever want to join & serve for Army/Navy/Airforce but non combat department & deals with legal matters, JAG is for them but if have sole dream to work for pure justice delivery system and eager to be part of judicial system of India then PCS (J) is best option.

HOPE THIS COMPARISON MAY HELP CONSUFED ONES

If you don't surrender the license, then nothing will happen, but you should not attempt to appear in court or sign a legal opinion as an advocate. If you do and someone complains against you, then you will be in problem. Otherwise, you can just let it be. The BCI or the state bar council doesn't do any checking on their own.

I had 0 contacts and I wanted to make it big. I now regret spending so much time over thinking and talking about how others were more privileged. At the end of the wasted time, I had to accept my reality and work with my circumstances and thats when things started work and I gained confidence with every productive thing I did. Things turned out well since I got a T1 PPO last year.

since you've mentioned buddy, it's your 3rd year, you got enough time. Also by now you've had your fair share at exploring how the law works in India and fields in it. If that's the case, I'd suggest start making your niche, since if you develop a niche early it makes you less vulnerable to rejection from a boutique law firm or a firm specializing in the field of your preference.

In order to expand your knowledge in that field, take up online courses, write blogs or just express your opinion in the form of an article on any recent development in that field of law.

Speaking from my own experience (as a law student from T2/T3 law school as well as a CS aspirant), law school in itself is a holistic experience which develops the student holistically in terms of knowledge, networking skills, research, drafting, internships, etc. So once an individual graduates as a lawyer, he/she knows how the things go around in terms of law, in general (this opinion is based on the premise that one attends a full-time law school and not by correspondence).

On the other hand, CS provides you with core in-depth knowledge about how the general corporate and commercial law works without emphasizing much upon the holistic development of the CS student.One key area where a law student will definitely have an edge is research because in the whole syllabus of CS (2017 or 2022) there are no components for research, whereas a law student from day one is taught to work on research and finding better precedence.

GLC is one of the most reputable law colleges in Maharashtra. The kind of legacy it enjoys compared to any other college in Maharashtra including PGCL is unmatched.

One of the Best Advantages of GLC is the number of opportunities/ offers you get from all the Tier 1/2/3 firms for internships and jobs. Most of these firms prefer an intern who is going to work full time and stay for atleast 6 months to a year for him to deliver quality work to the firm. The lenient attendance scheme comes to your rescue here. When you start interning in your third year (of the 5 year course) at a decent place where you are entrusted with quality work based on your performance, you will yourself notice the output you can produce in half a year without still having a degree. By the time you graduate, you would have done about 3/4 long term internships/ paralegal ships and have experience in different areas which help you make an informed decision on the area of your interest.

The placement cell has done and continues to do a phenomenal job each passing year. candidates are offered positions strictly based on merit. We have about 18/20 students picked up by Tier 1s during the placement week. This number is exclusive of interns who have converted their internships to Associate, or students undergoing an Articleship.

If you're not the kind who likes internships, GLC has one of the best mooting cultures. Students are awarded points based on the moots they have participated in, won etc and then selected for a Moot. The seniors invest time training and helping juniors with their moots.

https://www.financialexpress.com/jobs/hiring-pause-at-law-firms-amid-signs-of-slowdown/3099276/

Any insider news on if the pause is real pls? From what I understand there is regular business flowing through but bumper hiring in the last two years may lead to lower hiring this year.

I have witnessed pre-mid-post era of njpc. The credit for upgrading district judiciary goes only to the Hon'ble SC because it is who bring back & maintained the standard of district judiciary otherwise govt. will not even spend Rs. 1 for judiciary & HC was not taking any interest don't know why.

𝐒𝐜𝐞𝐧𝐚𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐬 𝐩𝐫𝐢𝐨𝐫 𝐭𝐨 𝐅𝐍𝐉𝐏𝐂 -

1. In many states like Bihar, UP, MP, etc the salary of District Judge was equal to District Magistrates with less or nearly equal perks & alliwances. Many places DMs were given newly built bungalows with all amenities whereas DJs were still using old british era made accommodations with less facilities. Other judges accommodations was like Dharamshala's. Even at many places special electricity facilities (means 24×7 hr electricity) were not extended to any Judges (include DJs) but was available to top district executives.

2. In majority of states the order of prefernce of DJs was after DMs & no value of CJMs. Also I saw on multiple occasions that DMs & ADMs used to address DJs by their name rather than sir /mam & had no fear of court rather judges used to fear.

3. Except DJs no practical SOPs was for other like some judges who don't have their own four wheelers use to visit court by walking, Rickshaw, shared Autos/taxis, bicycles (yes it's true), bike etc. The profession was like that even the peons didn't give much attentions to their respective judges.

Most of the time I used to think that why no young ones join judiciary like other pcs or upsc & every time I came across with uncle ji like faces & rarely 2-3 females (yet more than HJS grade of that time). Later I got to know that none join as an aspirants but unwillingness due to financial pressure. Also exams was not tougher that time & recuritment through source was also common in remote states. Whoever clear other pcs or upsc they immediately join there w/o giving a thought.

𝐁𝐔𝐓 𝐁𝐔𝐓 all scenario started changing after 1NJPC, in which major two ruling was -

1. Removing 3yr practice criteria.

2. Upgrading district judicial officers ranking at par with IAS grades & removed comparison with other State services.

& The effect was getting seen from 2004, when the induction of young & personality minds taking momentum + adoption of new judicial rankings by states & centre shows the rise of new district judiciary.

𝐅𝐄𝐖 𝐄𝐅𝐅𝐄𝐂𝐓𝐒 :-

1. Uniform pay, perks, ranks made across India like All India Service. Also order of preference now at par with counterparts IAS at any functions.

2. Sir / Ma'am terminology adopted to address any judicial officers even of same ranking or junior.

3. Judicial officers started recognizing & valuing their designations & service. Also started carrying fearless attitude. They learned from IAS /IPS grades that how to keep maintain their standards & everything even at low emoluments. Also the societies & other important wings started treating judicial officers like how IAS / IPS fellows gets.

4. The craziness for this job touching sky. Now on large scale the female community opting judiciary as dream career rather than other job. Example - among my connections, one left RBI Grade B (was female) & 3 another left T1 law firm for PCS (J) while one of my colleagues brother did his master from QMU London through scholarship and later join judiciary. From various sources learned that top NLU grades are opting PCS (J) over other on large scale.

5. New deputation posts & scope created same like IAS / IPS grades at centre and states. Like ADJs & DJs nomore compared with DMs scale and getting recognition at par with Joint Secretary - Secretary to Govt. of India & getting union posting.

6. Facilities, perks & lifestyle are highly improved. Recently I got the chance to visit one serving IAS officer's residence (not DM or Commissioner) in MP it was totally in poor states but when I visited judicial colony in same district the first impression of colony was enough to explain the standard of quarters. I was totally surprised that how much judiciary upgrade itself.

There are many more effects to write but I think its enough as 2NJPC already out & implemented (except allowances). Also the Apex Court in same case strictly directed now to use "𝐃𝐢𝐬𝐭𝐫𝐢𝐜𝐭 𝐉𝐮𝐝𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐫𝐲" in place of "𝐒𝐮𝐛𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐢𝐧𝐚𝐭𝐞 𝐉𝐮𝐝𝐢𝐜𝐢𝐚𝐫𝐲" will add more glorification.

If compare b/w pre-njpc era Vs. post-njpc era in one sentence -

"𝐍𝐎𝐖 𝐈𝐓𝐒 𝐁𝐄𝐂𝐎𝐌𝐄 𝐃𝐑𝐄𝐀𝐌 𝐉𝐎𝐁 𝐋𝐈𝐊𝐄 𝐈𝐀𝐒"

Hope the respective High Courts too focus like this on district judiciary.

As someone who's doubted their employability while being in a T1 NLU, I can assure you that the fear is largely misplaced.

Almost every one gets a decent job at the top 3 NLUs. If not a high paying law firm, then a well-known litigator's office or a highly established firm offering an in-house counsel role.

In any case, the trajectory to ensure your employability at a T1 NLU is really very simple: Study just enough to not be academically ranked in the bottom 20% of your batch. If you come from an English-speaking background, remain sober at least half the time & attend classes regularly, then you're probably halfway through already. Plus, credit-based colleges like nalsar will also allow you to practically half your rank in as less as one or two semesters as well.

And for anyone who is currently ranked in the bottom portions of the batch and reading this, internships are your opportunity to shine. I got PPO offers from multiple T1 firms while being in the bottom 30%, primarily because I worked that hard in the internships.

So, bottom line? Getting into a top NLU may be an inherently randomised privilege, but it undoubtedly alleviates any reasonable fears of unemployment you could have. Don't bother too much, and let law school charm you now!

It is near impossible to get a job in the the disputes practice of a white shoe firm after an LLM, even if it is from Harvard or Yale. But there are quite a few folks who have transitioned to a career in Big Law, although most of them practice transactional law. A fair few of them get reassessed after their first or second year (typically a few months after they have successfully completed getting barred considering first year associates are termed law clerks and not associates until they complete all licensing formalities). Having said that, its not impossible -- I have heard of at least one senior from law school who practices US litigation and international arbitration at a top NY shop. But then he is an exception in many ways -- guy is probably overqualified for the job considering he was up for partner at his previous firm and is a quite senior in the profession and generally well-known in the community.

If you are interested in international arbitration, then I recommend studying in Europe as it is generally cheaper than the US or UK, tends to have more scholarship/aid, and allows you to intern with the firms there, which are generally more open to foreign lawyers, especially if you are skilled in English legal writing.

Speaking as someone who came back to India after doing an LLM, I would say dont do it if you intend to practice international arbitration. There is barely any work to go around and I cant say people are professionally treated. There is crazy oversupply and standards have fallen long and hard. It is probably the only practice area that attracts qualified and experienced lawyers who are coerced into accepting minimum wages internships/traineeships for (increasingly many) years. And thats only the beginning, prospects only dip lower as one ascends the law firm ladder, where "native" lawyers who can also litigate having a distinct edge over others. Even compared to other practice areas, it is well accepted that in international arbitration the hours are brutal, drafting is unskilled and unnecessarily prolix, and in general you get -- forgive me if I'm getting my metaphors twisted -- much more "bang" for the buck than your peers.

Let us all chip in and create a new list for A0 salaries for 2023 grads to ensure pay transparency across law firms. Request you all to follow the following format:

Firm Name, Location- Salary (annual fixed pretax + bonus)

For Example, AZB, Mumbai- 15L+ 2L

(PS- This is just an example and is not reflective of the actual salary)

Hi, from KCo Kol.

Please don't pay heed to the bullshit. You will work on Pan-India matters, and equally demanding hours. Best wishes and hope you fit in well, mate.

Please look for places in and around Bhowanipore/Alipore or anywhere South.

- soon to be your colleague.

Yes there's competition in law, yes there are plenty of people frustrated with their lives. But that does not mean that this will be the same story for you. I pursued law and am happy with my decision. Have a comparative analysis with your back up options and consider the worst case scenario for all of them, this will help you out.

Consider what do you want out of your career, is it money, is it work life balance, is it satisfaction, all of these might be there in law as well, if you find the right balance, a T1 job or litigation might not be the only ways ahead. Similarly, work on these for your other options for your career, always take your families financial situation in account when considering these decisions. That should be a must, talk to your sibling if you have one, that helps me out.

I think the first thing that A0s should keep in mind is the mega shift in their respective lives. While almost everyone would have undertaken multiple internships, however, internships are not remotely close to the pressure and change in environment that an A0 faces once he/she starts working. The biggest difference is that unlike internships, jobs don't come with an end date i.e. you will continue working for a foreseeable future (even if someone leaves law and works with another field).

For the points enlisted by you above, you will get support from your seniors in the team or otherwise as well, and they are lot of young lawyers who can respond better.

1. What are some important things to remember while starting out as an AO?

A. Just keep your head down and work hard and try to learn in each deal. Don't be lazy and try to get easy answers. Be inquisitive and ask questions if you don't understand something (ie something other than what you can understand by doing a little research yourself).

Be focussed on nutrition and sleep - they affect your mood and focus a lot and some people can leave them on the way side when there is a lot on their plate. Ideally, exercise a little bit each day. Lastly, keep your hobbies intact and realise you have to choose your battles, somethings just aren't worth fighting for. Don't make work your life no matter how much you might respect that one partner / senior who slogs aways at all hours and is very knowledgable [he / she doesn't have anything else going on in their life and no matter how much they make it seem - this work isn't moving mountains or impacting someone's life or death]. I have made many of these mistakes but now I am a reformed person - don't make these mistakes.

2. How do you keep track of multiple deals and the stages they have reached?

A. This really isn't an issue. You won't lose track of deals or the stages they have reached. If anything, deals and your work (and especially mistakes) might come in your dreams (not kidding!).

3. How do you manage time while working on multiple transactions and different tasks, especially when everything is urgent?

A. This depends on your team structure. If you are ultimately only reporting to one partner (which is the best IMO) then your priorities will be determined by them. If you're working with multiples partners then you will need to communicate well but you will also get buggered occasionally for no fault of yours since the partners will want to ostensibly keep their relationships healthy.

4. What are some general corporate etiquette to be mindful of? Things like talking to seniors, conveying bandwidth, etc.

A. Just be a normal person and everything will be fine.

5. How to make friends at office? Do they actually become friends or remain office acquaintances?

A. This depends on you and your friends. There are no hard and fast rules. I am friends with some of my former colleagues (and even some former bosses, the nicer ones).

6. Any other tips.

Let me re-emphasize: As much as possible, take the longer and more painful route while you are trying to understand something new so that you learn from that oppurtunity [so no blogs or asking a senior or a colleague - only the text of the statute or regulation or case laws and constructing your own mental map]. Even small learnings really do compound and after a few years you will be surprised how much more you know. For example, this one research that I had done when I was an A1 had helped me give a quick answer on a quasi-securitisation structure some 6-7 years later - it was painful to do that research late in the night (especially since it wasn't required, I just wanted to understand why a partner was saying something on tax) and, after all that when I took a few cases to them to disagree with what they had said earlier, that partner told me why I was wrong in 2 minutes (versus my many many hours of work - ~15/20 hrs).

If you are mindful when you work, then something as mundane as proof reading is also an opportunity to optimise - a couple of examples are below, (a) keep "match case" on and replace the defined term with the same word but highlighted, that way you can easily know when the highlighted word is incorrectly not capitalised in one or more places (this makes sense in some scenarios more than others, for example, when you converting "Clause" to "Article" when you're turning the SHA into the AOA); and (b) when converting tables from excel to work, replace double spaces with single space (it will solve half your formatting issues with those tables). You learn these seemingly small and irrelevant tricks as you go along and after a while they really speed up your work.

This finally leads me to the oft missed point. If you are a transactional lawyer then you are spending 80% of your waking hours with MS Word. You need to know that software and its shortcut keys at least as well as CAs / finance folks know MS Excel. If you do a little research (there are papers written on this subject), shortcut keys make life way faster and easier (and people will think you are a magician but that's besides the point). You don't need any classes for this. Simply google or press Alt and follow the guide which comes up on MS Word - use those shortcut keys purposefully for a few days and commit to your muscle memory. Don't be like those fools who are ten years into the profession and still drag thier mouse to the format painter each time or to create a table or to create a page break.

An ancestral property is an immoveable property that is jointly owned in a coparcenary- or 4 generations of bloodline/widowed family members. Hence, the death of a family member would result in automatic proportionate division amongs the others- so as to maintain equal shares to all coparcenors, till an amendment brough it under the ambit of a normal succession.

The necessary implication is, that a property must remain intact for four bloodline generations, which means, if your father inherits property from his grand father's father's self acquired property, it becomes ancestral in nature. Whether it is a coparcenory or not would depend on the HUF agreements etc., in the absence of which, it is necessarly owned by 4 generations till your father's great-grandfather dies (karta), when you will also automatically own an equal share.

First of all, congratulations on securing a good rank. It really pains me to witness the difference in quality of legal education for someone who has secured an AIR under 400 in comparison with someone who has secured an AIR in the range of 400–700. And mind the fact that the difference in the marks is like 4-5 at most, and in some cases even less.

1. Yup, MNLU has had a really disappointing track record of placements up until now. But even so, it's really improving as far as the students suggest, and a lot of things change in 5 years.

2. Don't forget that someone from MNLUM can always join SLS or JGLS, but you can't say the opposite.

I recently came across this testimony from someone who had a really tough time at JGLS. You may take note: https://www.instagram.com/p/CsvIYsPsULU/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

3. I might be a bit biased in this one, but I personally feel that if placements are your top priority, then HNLU/NLUO perform wayyy better than MNLU. If location is not much of a concern, then I really don't understand why someone would go for MNLUM over institutes that have historically had a better record at placing their students.

Best of luck pal!

Here's a relevant extract from another thread that I personally somewhat agree with too. Currently in GLC.

"I am a first generation lawyer and a GLC graduate. I have faced no discrimination in finding opportunities. Many of my batch mates have joined Tier 1 firms and are doing well there. Others are with senior advocates, and while all of them do come from well to do/middle class households, most do not come from legal backgrounds. I don’t think you will face any loss in opportunities at GLC.

I loved my time at GLC. The freedom is extraordinary, and you are actually treated like an adult. Some of the teachers are very helpful and will mentor you actively if you reach out. I mention Professors Shamim Dalvi and Krishu Daswani especially in this context. The visiting faculty, who do take regular lectures, are also great. I don’t know if any NLU has an AZB partner teaching arbitration or contracts; it is true for GLC.

Now the negatives:
- There is no spoon-feeding whatsoever. The lectures are based on the MU syllabus, and are not designed to train students in critical thinking.
- GLC is not particularly academic, and the culture is exam based not assignment based. The few assignments that may be required (I have heard that MU has made assignments compulsory now, and they make up part of the grade), will likely be cut paste jobs/poor quality.
- Some of the teachers are of very poor quality (but I believe you will have them everywhere).
- NLUs are definitely more rigorous, and passing through one will guarantee that you will be a graduate of a minimum standard.
- No forced discipline. You must be self motivated.

While it is not difficult to meet the same standard at GLC, meeting it would be due to your hard work or initiative, not because of the academic requirements of the college. The best way to for inexperienced students to level up is to join one of the more “serious” committees/clubs: ADR, Moot Court, Law Review, and to do more than level up, do an internship.

An interesting point to consider:
What you must understand is that GLC is a traditional law college with immense diversity. Our fees are negligible and we have a 50% quota that brings in people from weaker sections. For most privileged people (who make up the bulk of NLU students), “quota students” with different accents, attitudes and life experiences often comes as a culture shock.

I, however, feel that this is an enriching experience, bringing people out of echo chambers and forcing them to look other realities in the eye, and make friends with people from all walks of life.

Good luck!"

Hi, I currently work in Tata Steel, so I am qualified to give you an answer.

The work hours are good. They will not expect you to slog like a law firm.

The culture is old fashioned because the average age of employees is high.

The pay is not very good. But the benefits/perks are amazing and adds 10% to your salary.

However, when you say Tata Company, there is a huge variation. There are several Tata Companies across several cities. So it is almost like working for totally different companies which have nothing in common except the broad ownership of Tata Sons.

Many lawyers just edit. Which is a terrible practice, and I have seen things go bad in court due to this (they forgot to change the name of the Applicant at one place, or the case number, or whatever).

It's always a good idea to start from scratch. And it's not that difficult once you do it a few times.

For a very long time in my career, i used to draft every application, petition, etc afresh - starting from a new word document - i used to take great pride in it. After sometime I realised there is no greatness in reinventing the wheel everytime. It is simply inefficient and not error proof. Hence, now I use templates which i have created for myself. Having said that, i draft the facts, grounds and prayers afresh every time.

With regards to facilities of judicial officers in all UTs, CPC & NJPC both applied accordingly.

Covering only important Facilities & Allowances in Delhi & UTs :

1. Accomodation - 3 or 4 bhk flats or HRA at Central Govt. norms (no bungalow system for DJS except PDJ). Due to frequent transfers within cities many prefer to shift permanently rather than opting quarters (for DJS).

2. Car - Same as other states BUT BUT here they also have to pay if uses it for non-official purpose and on payment max. 500 KM they can took their official car. This rule is same for all Central Govt. & Delhi Govt. employees.

3. Home orderly - Due to distance b/w court & residence, it is unable to get the services of orderlies extended to the home also. Thus here home orderly ALLOWANCE given to hire one unskilled labour as orderly. CMM & PDJ can hire 2 & 3 respectively.

4. Security - Non-armed security provided to judicial residential complexes. Govt. hire guards from verified private service providers. PSO only provided to specifc judges.

5. Other allowances :

5.1. Tech. Allowance - 1.10L (every 4yr) + Mobile phone (every 3yr)

5.2. Furniture Allowance - 1.25 (every 5yr)

5.3. Free electricity & Water - 6K unit /annum for civil judges & 8K unit /annum for DJ cadre

5.4. Children Education Allowance - Rs. 2250/month & Hostel Subsidy Rs. 6750/ month (for 2 children upto class 12th)

5.5. Newspaper Allowance - Rs. 500/month (2 paper & 1 magazine) for civil judge & Rs. 700/ month (2 paper & 2 magazine) for DJ

5.6. Robe Allowance - Rs. 6K (every 3yr)

The misinformation in this above comment is insane. I got placed (tier 1 + top 5 nlu) and I have left my job to prepare for DJS. I wasted 1.5 years at that stupid job. Some from my batch have already done the same, and a few even cleared the 2022-2023 DJS, including people who left their tier 1 jobs in the first 3-6 months.

As to salary, “won’t even increase beyond 60k”??? Bhai??? Before I left my job, I had face to face conversations with serving DJS officers and their starting (in-hand) salary was 95k+ (plus i.e another 20-25k which they get through reimbursement-based allowances). This is the STARTING in-hand salary.

If you don’t want to trust my personal information, fine. Look at the last notification of DJS 2022, it’s publicly available. The basic salary starts at Rs. 56,100 as per the notification. First things first, you get DA and HRA on the basic salary. As per current prevailing rates, officers get 42% DA and 27% HRA added to the basic salary. Do the numbers and we get apprx Rs 94,809 per month. This is the amount they get EXCLUDING the home orderly allowance, petrol allowance, electricity and water allowance (these are given as reimbursements, and I’m told that it comes around 25k per month).

Mind you, this is the CURRENT salary of DJS as Delhi Govt applies the 7th pay commission to DJS and DHJS. Which means that this is before the second judicial pay commission is even implemented in Delhi. Once it is implemented, the numbers are expected to increase.

I’m so tired of people misguiding law students to run behind corporate jobs. I’m not dissing at UPSC at all, but judiciary is not a bad option either especially for some of us who want a decent work-life balance and a job that actually means something in the society. I agree that the “power craze” behind UPSC is much more, but so what? Not everybody cares about that?

Stop with the misinformation, seriously, grow up.

By Personal Finance I mean how to calculate and pay income tax, the different types of bank accounts, how to invest through SIP, PPF, NPS, KVP, mutual funds etc, how to trade in stocks and shares, how to buy and register property etc. Plus, how to plan a household budget. This is an essential real-world subject that is not taught properly (if at all) in school. Also, most parents don't teach this to kids and most parents themselves are not fully educated about all this. If you studied science/humanities in plus 2 and your parents are in science/humanities professions, then it's likely that your knowledge will be a big zero. So why can't NLUs teach it?

If you agree, now comes the second question: what non-law subject should it replace? The options are:

1. Socio I (usually Western sociology)

2. Socio II (usually Indian sociology, most of it focused on caste)

3. Pol Science I (usually Western political theory)

4. Pol Science II (usually Indian political science, most of it related to the Constitution)

5. History I (usually Western history)

6. History II (usually Indian legal and constitutional history)

7. Economics I (Microeconomics)

8. Economics II (Macroeconomics)

My vote goes to removing Socio II. I won't bother stating the reasons in detail, because the moderator will probably censor it, but it's related to the political bias of the profs teaching it.

Hi, this is really good question. As far as I'm afraid, it would not come under the purview of AoD, because consumers are not harmed in any scenario. Although streaming companies which are engaging in aggressive business practices have the potential to harm consumers is to be decided.

Further as the market power of Jio Cinema expands through vertical integration, current competition laws may be insufficient to protect consumers from potential longterm harms, such as increased prices, lower quality and variety of content, or erosion of data privacy. Then it would constitute to AoD.

I am very sorry to hear about what has happened to you. While there could have been some diligence exercised on your part (in the incident described in the first paragraph), it is not a major fault at all. A firm which wants people to leave for such incidents is not a place worth working at. Despite the deadline not being close enough, it is upto the seniors to review the work you have done, and point out shortcomings, if any, politely, and tell you how to go about things in the correct manner. Quite clearly, the SA and PA have failed in their duty here.

Coming to the Second Paragraph, assuming you were on time everyday and were decent at your work, and you were late on only this one occasion (assuming there was no urgent deadline / meeting on the day you were late), again, the way the partner went about the entire thing seems very unreasonable and unprofessional. The partner asking you to leave merely on the basis of others' review is pathetic on his/her part - looks like he/she forgot the very basic legal principle of "Audi Alteram Partem" - Hear the Other Side (assuming he/she did not hear you out and asked you for your side of the story).

This doesn't sound like underperformance to me, as I have heard several stories like these. It looks like the firm was hell bent on cost cutting, and they need to blame someone for the same and send them out. No firm is ever going to reveal that they have a cost crunch issue or not enough work. For now, I can only say that be patient, be thorough with the work you have done, only put out on your CV the work that you are confident talking about, and keep applying continuously to other places. Get in touch with legal recruiters as well. Something will definitely work out, even if it takes time.

No, You are not stupid.

These partners would not have half of knowledge you have when they were your age.

Try to make sure that you don't repeat mistakes.

I think the best solution is to talk to someone who is reliable and has walked that path before you.

Don't take a hit on your confidence.

Yes you can, a lot of candidates did same & get positive results. This is one of the easy way to clear judiciary. Litigation + preparation will make your syllabus more easy and you'll get enough time for mock practices.

Either along with it or take 4-6 month break for preparation. You're an Advocate dude go on.

All require a proper scheduled & dedication that's it.

The case was reserved for final arguments in 2021 at District and Sessions court, and there has been no verdict yet. She has her license back since 2017, now changed her name to [.......] and working at RIL. I guess RIL released a statement saying you shouldnt drink and drive.

HNLU has a prom-like music/dancing fest where you have the proper setup to dance with your partner. It is called 'Limerence'.

Limerence '23: https://www.instagram.com/reel/CquS387J5wT/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

More info at: https://hnlyou.wordpress.com/2018/05/19/limerence/

Hi, I am an A0 at a T1. I’m about to complete a year and for some reason I’m still not comfortable with partner conversations in case of some partners (specially the equity and senior ones). I have a constant fear of being judged as too stupid and not being able to understand what they mean. I try to follow the thought process and incorporate what they want but there is still always something left. How do I get over the fact that it’s fine if I can’t get 100% (hell even 70%) of what they say. They have been practising since before I was born. It’s hampering my confidence because the moment I get staffed with them it’s a wave of dread

To the seniors- A1 and above,

1. What are some important things to remember while starting out as an AO?

2. How do you keep track of multiple deals and the stages they have reached?

3. How do you manage time while working on multiple transactions and different tasks, especially when everything is urgent?

4. What are some general corporate etiquette to be mindful of? Things like talking to seniors, conveying bandwidth, etc.

5. How to make friends at office? Do they actually become friends or remain office acquaintances?

6. Any other tips.

1. This will not affect training contracts/vac schemes. For all practical purposes, it is business as usual for the A&O's offices located outside North America. Bulk of Shearman's revenue (and lawyers) is in the US and that's where you will have an impact on personnel, hiring, offices etc. A&O is not going to start hiring more Indian grads because of the merger.

2. Don't think of this as a merger. If you read between the lines, it is apparent that this was a classic PE style acquisition of a blue-chip brand now in distress. What A&O have always chased, and have now got, is a substantial presence in the world's most lucrative legal market (i.e. USA) and the roster of American corporate clients that Shearman brings to the table + Shearman is still a very strong shop for corp and litigation work in the US. Everything else is just noise. Culture/vulture all can be managed when people see the $$. Billing rates are dictated by the market that you operate in and not the firm.

What will be interesting to see is how they manage to keep the partnership broadly happy with their new comp structures. There will inevitably be a dilution of the value of their partnership points and bunch of partners who will take home less cash post-merger.

1. How would this affect placements and vacation schemes for Indian Students in Allen & Overy?

Shearman even thou having a london office only takes US/EU/UK grads.

2. How will this merger work - both these firms have very distinct cultures, billing rates and even salaries - how will all this work out? Are there any real advantages for the merger.

https://www.reuters.com/markets/deals/ao-shearman-merger-would-be-blockbuster-maybe-not-harbinger-2023-05-22/

Was going through the comments and it's appalling how many people are advising the lad to take a drop or waste his first year aspiring for NLS....you people are the worst, this positivity is so toxic.

If you land a T1 college, take it. Don't be naive and give into the whole rankings narrative. Yes NLS has a legacy, but the impact of that legacy on its current students is vague and doesn't make a substantial difference when it comes placements.

Don't take a gap year, join NUJS, study well and get over this obsession of NLS...it will bring you no good.

tldr - not in the uk

long read: llm is not a qualifying degree in the UK. Unless you have prior experience, and have already got a lateral offer, it is rarely possible to find a job in one year. If you have no experience, it is almost impossible to find a tc in one year. Scholarships are available for LLMs in the UK but in the SOP you would have to write that you want to go back to India and teach, if you say you want a corp job you are unlikely to get a scholarship. If you are desperate to settle in the UK, do the one year combined LLM-SQE prep course at University of Law (which is a private college) from London. This course offers 3 months training, you would need a total of 2 years training to qualify as a solicitor in the UK. Try out the small shops and say that you will work as a trainee/paralegal for peanuts. If luck holds you will get a traineeship. Dont need to worry about visa as your LLM course would give you 1 year post study work visa. In the first year complete SQE II and then stay with the shop for 9 months and then open your own shop. Needs upwards of 1-1.5 crore INR for the entire project.

Don’t tell your parents repeatedly about taking drop. Trust me I have been there , they ofc won’t like it. Focus on your academics at Nujs and keep on preparing for clat(no one should know). If you have made into Nujs this year , you will definitely have a seat at NLS next year. There was a person I know who dropped Nujs for NLS but she didn’t even tell anyone about it. Some people who made it didn’t go cause they were happy at Nujs itself. Focus on ur academics at Nujs and you can prep for clat alongside.

POINT TO CONSIDER- NLS and NUJS don’t have major differences in placements. In fact the latter has given better placement turnouts for the past few years (no cap). The tag has a difference(although not substantial).

Please share your views that which state Judicial Service is best like promotion scope, facilities, life, work culture, etc. If possible then also provide comparison between states judiciary's on any factors. Any other informations related to topic are also welcome.

Note :

1. Act like mature & take this thread seriously & only share your views if you're well-versed or logical informations keeping objectice of thread in mind otherwise don't spam.

2. Don't share the pay of judges or comparison of judicial services with other govt or pvt. jobs as separate thread is already on these topics.

3. Please use unique username as it will be very easy to everyone to identify & comment.

1.What exactly is the difference with regards to scope of work between disputes team of a full service law firm and litigation chambers? There are so many chambers that practice only commercial litigation and arbitration work in areas like mining construction etc, i.e not much of trial work.

2. If there so major difference in scope of work then why do people go for chamber practice in first place? The pay is significantly lesser. Even boutique firms pay more than chambers and there is a long gestation period of 5+ years. On the other hand working in Disputes team of decent firm can fetch easily 60k and even 1 lac+ also in firms like AZB.

3. Is is more difficult to get into disputes team of firm as compared to other practice areas like M&A , Capital Markets etc because the latter are requires technical knowledge and skills. Every law student is capable of drafting arguments etc but not every student has enough knowledge of Due diligence

4. How can someone make their CV standout is one particularly wishes to work in Disputes team of a firm? Like knowledge of securities law to practice securities litigation which is a niche

Ps. In my opinion freshers at litigation chambers are better at drafting, research etc and more versed with court procedures as compared to freshers at law firms

R is definately from NUJS

He has accepted he is from these three

He has denied being from NALSAR
NLS naturally doesn't accomodate the prompt moderation he has been doing

Also he accepts he is between 34 and 39 (1 year ago, so plus 1)

R is definately a guy because obviously

Is R...... God?

Yes, my friend you can!

The matter of fact is that thing doesn't depends on college but solely on individual!

You know, some of my friends who ace DJS and when I asked the same query - they said that, colleges have nothing to do with ur preparation but how much you are dedicated, that's what the matter most!

So you can, believe in yourself and best of luck 🤞!

While I agree that certain topics and discussions get too sexual or inappropriate at times, I'd also like to take a moment and thank the LI moderators for keeping this website running, especially for free. As a first gen student, this has helped me a lot in gaining better perspective of the realities at firms. I don't have many contacts but I do consider the advice I receive here often w.r.t internships and career guidance. So this has been a great resource for me, thanks to the moderators.

They can obviously improve on certain aspects but that shouldn't make us ungrateful.

The answer is obvious: it's much older than all other NLUs. Have you looked at the alumni of GLC and DU? NLS stands nowhere compared to what the alumni of both these conventionally non sexy law schools have achieved. Why would one expect law schools like NLUs that were opened barely a decade ago to have a great alumni base?

I understand your intent, dear mod. But, in today's political climate, vague virtues such as 'kindness' are all too often used as trojan horses for one-sided agendas, and are anyways often simply doublespeak.

I do not accuse you of any such thing - I am merely trying to inform you of the poor perception this creates amongst those who find themselves at odds with your political bent or moderation style.

Now onto the main question - Do I have disagreements about the mods' ideological leanings or efficiency and speed? Perhaps. But AI? I like human mods better - they can be reasoned with, persuaded, understood at a human level, and held accountable. AI is no substitute. Only those who are unwitting and recent passengers on the hype train and do not grasp the technical as well as philosophical problems with AI 'overlords' would suggest such a thing. In fact, ideally there should be as little technology at play as possible (to maximise the human element). If it were practical, I would prefer a weekly face-to-face informal discussions to a website.

Another non-trollish answer: NLS kids are placed (regardless of whether one finds it legitimate or not) on a pedestal - nay, on a throne. Kings have the luxury of immense choice. Paupers must take what comes their way to survive.

An NLS student/grad's opportunities are so limitless in corp firms that he need not work to get an offer. So he finds himself free to explore other pastures, and devote a lot more thinking and time, and those in the pasture are more willing to entertain his exploration too. This is not novel - students from top IITs, or for that matter, Ivy leauge or Oxbridge unis have similar privilege, and do similar things.

In a free society, people have the right to decide what to purchase (within loose limits) and what not, for whatever reasons they may have. You make a poor attempt at deligimising their genuine exercise of this right by slandering them with the 'transphobe' label. That is reductive, oversimplistic, and demonstrates poor understanding of fundamental realities.

Disagreement with mainstream Western gender narratives is not phobia. Deciding against enriching a propagator of an idea you disagree with is not phobia either. These are rational, decent, civilized forms of voting with one's wallet. You do it yourself when you choose environmentally sensitive brands or boycott Harvey Weinstein.

I would be more ready to accept the 'phobia' label if, say, there were violent riots and arson on Starbucks property, or calls to ban the buisness.

It is as important as you make it out to be.

Honestly, this can be resolved by writing one line stating the reason which you gave which is completely legitimate.

Focus on the positives in your applications. You will definitely get a good result.

You have good grades. Don't worry this much.

For Blogs -

Read up on one or two areas of law and try to understand that space and master it. Start writing articles on recent developments and how do you think that will effect the legal and business position. Only submit to blogs that publish quality articles and not regurgitations from other blogs.

You will probably get rejected a lot at the start but if you continue your reading you’ll start seeing the gaps in the law and its implications. You’ll also get better at structuring your articles. Best of luck.

At the outset, try everything everywhere, unless the slots are clashing or you're certain that you're reaching a breaking point of exhaustion.

But if you're specifically targetting a PPO and have these options, I would advise you to avoid JSA on the basis of several reasons, better explained at https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/256776-which-big-7-law-firm-is-the-most-reluctant-one-to-give-a-ppo

Between KCo & AZB, if you have to choose, then let it be on the basis of your college profile and how much time you have left. KCo has a one-internship policy but is extremely selective in terms of your work review — not a great idea to bet on this one opportunity.

On the other hand, unless you're from a T1 NLU, AZB has a general callback policy, and they've been giving out a number of interviews lately.

So, if you have the time to do a callback or are from a T1 college, focus on AZB. Otherwise, focus on KCo.

In any case, my advice remains that you should focus on everything you can when it comes to potential PPOs.

Largely agree with you on S&R, partially agree on TT&A, and disagree on Indus.

S&R is highly selective. Often, they have a set maximum of picking up only one student each from the top NLU. But if they like you and you do the term sheet assignment well enough, they're open to directly giving you a PPO, and at a uniquely great starting salary.

TT&A is pedantic about grades, and they often take very few interns. However, I've seen them directly offer PPO interviews quite often. I'd almost say that they're possibly switching to a one-internship policy as a norm, going by their trends this year. Of course, the 'interview' itself is one of a kind and includes an actual evaluation of how well you can structure deals and how well you can research — much like A&O/Links evaluations. Because of this, the usual 'mugging up' of basic 'private company vs public company' type questions doesn't help — but by all means, I'd argue that it's actually easier to get a TT&A PPO because it trims down the arbitrariness of the interview.

As for Indus, they've lately offered people interviews after a single online internship — which is notable, because most T1/T2 firms won't even offer an online internship anymore, much less actually asses people in the same. They do have a troubling practice of offering 'paralegalship' to non-T1 NLU interns who do well, but if you're from a top college, Indus doesn't usually appear too stringent — unless you're in a team that doesn't hire. Unlike Saraf etc which have a 'common pool' PPO interview even if the team that you interned with doesn't hire, Indus does not appear to have the same. So, if you end up in a saturated team, then yes, there's not much you can do. But otherwise, even though the firm slowed its hiring when it saw a heavy exodus of partners, its current hiring trends seem to be on a comfortable rise.

Looking at life beyond law firms, this is the answer for an Indian GC at an MNC.

Business class to Europe/ US- very common. Your juniors get this too.

5 Stars in Europe- with some luck. 4 stars (which are great business hotels) are very common. Your juniors get this.

Study leave/ sponsorship - less common but happens often enough for this to not raise eyebrows any more. Sometimes, you can nominate your juniors.

Office Car and Driver - Indian companies do this, but it's an overrated benefit. Most people at this level prefer to buy their own car, and decide for themselves whether they want to drive or hire their own driver.

Club Memberships - every department head at an MNC typically gets this, including the GC. This is again an overrated benefit. You're treated like some nouveau riche upstart, unless you're an actual life member. Everyone with corporate membership sees the writing on the wall and applies for permanent membership. It's better to hire nepo kids and make them get you the signatures.

Hello Everyone!

I’ve recently joined a Law Firm (Boutique, New Delhi) which specialises in Arbitration and a bit of Transactional work. I’ll be joining in July 2023 (Through a Campus Placement, Non - NLU, batch of 2023, First Gen. Lawyer). Pay is average.

My academic records are good and I’ve got good internships too, I got through Khaitan for an internship at the end of my 9th Sem with a referral from my previous Boss, got a stellar feedback from my Buddy and all the SAs and Associates from departments in which I worked but by that time all vacancies at the particular office had been filled up (HR told me the hiring for 2023 batch has already been done)

I’ll be joining a Boutique Law Firm in New Delhi and I plan to switch after 1.5 - 2 Years to a better law firm (preferably Tier 1, 2 or 3). I’ve read previously in LI that cold emailing partners and then applying through the website may work. I’ll also try to make connections as I proceed through.

If you guys have any tips, do let me know!

Thanks!

(As a First Gen. Lawyer, and Non-NLU pass out I have no connections and everything I did, was the best I could do. If you guys can help, it would be absolutely wonderful)

So should you. The judge clearly knew that an overwhelming majority of these 36000 are perfectly qualified to do the job. Hence he left a backdoor entry for them, by saying that if they are found to be qualified within the next 3 months, then they will be given back pay and continued seniority for this time. This is as good as admitting the weakness in his own reasoning, because one should have identified who were qualified and who weren't, before having dismissed them from a job. That's the very ground on which this order too will be stayed in higher court/bench. This judge just likes playing to the gallery and media, that's all. He was frustrated at CBI's incompetence to have actually made any breakthrough in the investigation and got hold of the real bigshot culprits of TMC and the government servants responsible. So he wanted to show that he was doing something. Nothing makes a better headline than 36000 jobs taken away overnight. For those who are conflating criticism of the judge and his actions to be supporting TMC, my advice would be that they should read more law and less WhatsApp forwards.

If it matters, I detest the TMC. However, I do believe that law can and should find a better way of bringing them to justice, instead of this ham-handed manner. Had the central party in power not been using CBI and ED as its stooges, then those very agencies would have long ago operated independently and got to the bottom of this. Instead they are being thrashed every day in court by the special judge and this guy both for their incompetence and inability to proceed with the investigation. Remember the Sharada and Narada scams? Being investigated for over 7 years now by CBI and ED without any progress, with the accused holding key positions in TMC and BJP both. All of these people are scums regardless of their political affiliations. The way that Modi shouted in favour of the corruption in Karnataka government before the elections was sickening too. These are all alike.

As the final year of law school draws to a close, I find myself increasingly anxious about my lack of proficiency in legal drafting. I worry that this deficiency will hinder my career prospects and make it difficult for me to succeed in a competitive legal field. The thought of starting my legal career without adequate drafting skills fills me with apprehension and uncertainty. You can also focus the answers on Contract Drafting alone.

1. What are some good FREE resources for learning legal drafting, such as books, online courses, or other materials? Or are there any other ways by which I can learn them like internships or workshops?

2. Are there any specific areas of legal drafting that I should focus on first in order to improve my skills?

3. Where do I get assignments for practice? How can I get feedback on my legal drafting work, and who should I ask for feedback?

We at TNNLU doth make use of these for all womenfolk:

Greetings fair maiden of noble lineage and radiant beauty, I humbly request your attention and beseech thee to hear my words.

Milady of mirth and merriment

Oh dair damsel of wit and whimsy

Mistress of mischief and laughter.

Ladyship of the highest sarcasm and cynicism, or if I may be so bold

Her royal highness of the realm of sarcasm and outdated customs

The grand duchess of snark and irony.

☺️👑

Lawyers who have passed out of NLSIU, Harvard of the East, can never go bald, period. Only the despicable lawyers from other NLUs and pvt law schools will go bald working in law firms. NLSIU students can never get stressed. Instead, the law firm partners who employ NLSIU graduates will get stressed and go bald looking at their efficiency and intelligence.

Just in case, if one odd NLSIU graduate begins to bald, they can always get the unique herb that grows only in the forests of Nagarbhavi, apply it to their balding pate and get their hair to grow back.

All ba(l)d things happen only to non-NLSIU graduates.

As far as his professional career is concerned, the same criticisms made of other law firm owners can be made of him. But as far as his personal life goes, he was pleasant and friendly with people. I remember he once came to a conference organised by Jindal Law School, where other law firm owners were also present. There was a dinner party for Jindal students and speakers, but in separate areas. He was the only law firm owner who came to the student area and spoke with the students. The other law firm owners did not even bother to look at the students.

HONEST POV

I have been in both the boats (different times).

I was a failure kid in school, used to fail terribly in math. But after getting into NLU for my LLM, I had to work really hard to get good grades. Since my rank was not that great we were given roll numbers in our PG on the basis of our CLAT PG rank ( I lied in the mid 20s) but from day one, I respected the teachers, maintained their regard, whereas many students in the class would mess with the teachers or would start up frivolous debates on controversial topics, I on the other hand and few other students spoke on the legal grounds without disrespecting or demeaning others, this created a positive impact in creating the mindset of the teachers that I am a good student. Apart from being in good books also had to maintain it on paper, so I worked really hard for the exams and got a rank in the top 3 from my batch in our sem-end exams.
So yea,
It matters a lot, but it is purely subjective and varies from the demands of the career path you want to choose, like I want to get into academia so this trajectory was important to me while in law school, as it helps in recognition.

Okay , let me tell you what actually goes on so that this whole debate ends. I retook clat for the 4th(I prefer to call it my 3rd cause well ,my first attempt lets just say 'naam ke vaaste'?) time around 20 , was 20 during the date of my admission (your date of admission matters) ,joined NLU-J and majority of people in my batch were 19 (turning 20 that year) , quite a few 18 year olds (who were not 17 anymore) and the rest of us 12-13 people were 20. This (18.5-20.5) is the AVERAGE BATCH RANGE in a tier 1 NLU. More than how many attempts you took or years you dropped , you age has to be in fine limit of 21. There were zero perception issues among us because we were more or less the same age.

Now from my personal experience , there were people who graduated a bit late from school and just because of a 1-2 year drop turned 22 when they joined. Not their fault , but not a wise decision either while knowing you are already a bit far from the age limit. I mean some of us were already in the 3rd or 4th year when we turned 23.5 , did internships , someone bagged a PPO and well substantial people even graduated at that age.

But the people who joined around 22/23 - were they trolled? Nope. But just like how well we blended in - they themselves made age as an issue, felt insecure joining law school at such a late age and were really confounded. Understand when you join law school , you are giving away 5 years of your career to undergrad. That realization struck them every time. But they were never cornered or bullied because of them being 2 years elder(or 3 years-4 years for some). they have got jobs as well in good law firms , doing well. It all matters how well YOU take it. As somone said , with 20 plus you are fine retaking clat with a backup if you want. Beyond that maybe just start being content and start studying.

I was in the same position a while ago. More or less same story. Then some idiot told me "Even if you are shitting, you don't get up and walk away. You'd be pooping your pants. You finish the process, clean up and walk away." I am doing the same, which certainly ain't shitting.

So yeah, the process gets over when you pay off the loans and your parents' retirement life is secured.

Know that there are so many people that don't get the job that you have got. You will get sympathy here from all the rich and privileged brats. But, looking at it practically, the privilege# like "interest, passion, zeal, zest" etc. are only available to the rich and affluent.

Try taking up a not so demanding job with a decent pay or a super demanding job with a high pay. Eject yourself out of this situation slowly over a long term with a side hustle of interest or at a shorter duration with good pay.

Explore alternative career options in similar fields gradually such as CA, CS, CMA, advisory, consultancy, managerial roles.

Maybe try praying and meditation to keep mental balance.

Don't give up on life. Life is more than just career.

"Do not suffer your mind."

Do this exercise. Make a list of hundred things or people you are grateful for. Acknowledge your privilege. These will eventually reduce and become tolerable. Practice gratitude everyday by writing three things at least.

Else, no matter how much a person has, no matter how sorted everything is, some elements in the question posted above, I won't name which, are capable of making you feel miserable. Don't fall into that trap.

1. As a fresher in the legal industry, it can be challenging to navigate salary negotiations with law firms. Could you share your experience and insights on how to effectively negotiate a salary with a law firm?

2. What would be a reasonable ask for a fresher, and how can they justify their expected salary to the law firm?

3. How much impact do certifications from Lawctopus, Lawsikho, number of internships, internships with Big and popular names, exposure, ranking of National Law Universities (NLU), participation in moot courts, and number of medals have on a fresher's CV and salary expectations?

4. How much weightage do additional qualifications like CA, CS, CMA carry in the eyes of law firms, and how can a fresher leverage them to negotiate a higher salary?

5. How can a fresher secure a pre-placement offer (PPO) from a law firm, and what steps should they take to improve their chances of getting one?

6. As a fresher, what is the best approach to applying for jobs in the legal industry? Where and who to apply to? What skills and qualities should they highlight in their resume and cover letter?

After BALLB, one can take all those major exams of Group A Gazetted and Group B Gazetted/ Non Gazetted officers of the Govt. These exams are open to any graduate like BA/ BSc / BCom:

1. IAS / UPSC Civil Services Exam

2. CDS Exam

3. APFC Exam / Assistant PF Commissioner

4. Assistant Commandant Exam

5. SSC Graduate Level

6. Bank PO Exam

7. RBI Grade B Officers Exam

Exams for LLB degree:

1. Judicial Services Exam or PCS (J)

2. APP/ APO Exam

3. Law Officers in PSUs like Indian Oil, ONGC, Powergrid, etc

4. Bank Specialist Officers - Law

5. SEBI Law Officers

6. Law Officers/ Assistants in Railways/ DDA

7. CBI/ NIA APP/ APO Exam by UPSC

8. Trademark Examiner Exam, etc

For those curious as to which link this over smart person is referring to:

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/187307-highest-paid-lawyers-in-india-per-annum#comment-234160

This thread has some interesting numbers (and I mean comments which show numbers backed by something concrete).

More specifically read this comment in the thread: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/187307-highest-paid-lawyers-in-india-per-annum#comment-195079

If you read the judgment referred to in this comment, Ashwath's pay in FY 2008-09 was around 3cr:
"THE ASSESSEE HAS BEEN EQUITY PARTNER WITH LEGAL FIRM M /S. AMARCHAND MANGALDAS & SURESH A. SHROFF & CO. WITH EFFECT FROM 1ST OCTOBER 2008. THE ASSESSEE HAS RECEIVED SHARE IN PROFIT OF RS.57 54 075/- AND FURTHER RECEIVED RS.68 57 206/- AS PARTNERS SALARY FROM TH E SAME FIRM AND PROFESSIONAL FEES OF RS.1 55 34 998/-"

So reasonable to assume that senior partners like him are easily earning around or more than 6-8 cr now.

Dear Members of the Legal Community,

As users of LegallyIndia, we recognize that the legal profession is evolving at a rapid pace. Technology is at the forefront of this change, with AI-powered tools becoming increasingly prevalent in our daily professional lives. One such significant development is the advent of ChatGPT, an advanced language model developed by OpenAI.

As we grapple with the potential implications and uses of this technology, we are keen to understand the perspectives of those at the coalface of this transition - you, our valued community of lawyers and law students.

If you're a practicing lawyer, we're eager to learn:

1. 1. What are your thoughts about ChatGPT?
2. 2. How are you currently utilizing this tool, if at all?
3. 3. Has it impacted your work processes or client relationships?
4. 4. How is your firm adapting to the incorporation of AI-powered tools like ChatGPT?
5. 5. Have any firms in India encouraged or discouraged the use of AI-powered tools like ChatGPT?

For our law student community, we are interested in your experience as well:

1. 1. Is ChatGPT a part of your educational journey?
2. 2. Are your institutions teaching or encouraging the use of AI tools?
3. 3. Do you perceive this technology as a significant part of your future legal career?

This post is an attempt to stimulate a robust and wide-ranging discussion about the intersection of artificial intelligence and the legal profession. We believe that by sharing experiences and insights, we can better understand the ongoing transformation around us and together navigate the future of law more confidently.

Whether you're a seasoned attorney, a new entrant to the legal profession, or a student, we welcome your thoughts. The collective wisdom of this community is invaluable, and your experiences can help shape the narrative around the integration of AI into the legal sector.

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Am a 2022 grad, and was in the same proverbial shoes as yours. Took a drop year to figure things out, and yes, my family is relatively well off so I could afford a drop year, but ask yourself this: would you rather have an year of hardship whilst trying to figure where your true interests lie, or a lifetime of working in a profession which you detest?

Also, would really advise you not reject opportunities on their face value. I, for eg, wanted to get out of the law firm rat race so bad that I inevitably dragged my ass into a far muckier one, by opting for an MBA. Try and give time to the opportunities that come your way a strong hard look before saying no them.

Coming from a not so privileged family myself, people like us cannot afford to fail because we have zero backups.

Also, zest for something isn't something you realise you are lacking when others tell it to you...,

I am someone who too has zero passion for law, but I don't mind it, I don't hate it. I am a corporate lawyer, who is paid well and is settled at a firm where the work life balance is good enough to enjoy life outside my career. With the overpopulation, the fight and competition in our generation, its impossible for everyone, especially for people not from wealthy families to 'follow their dreams' and still make it in something they are passionate about.

So many people in our generation keep on following an unrealistic path or do not realise what they actually want from life. However, one thing is sure, a good standard of living and a decent lifestyle without monetary pressure is one integral aspect of a good life no matter how fulfilling a passion powered career might be.

So I suggest that you suck it up, work for 2 years, pay off the loan, add some security to your family's finances and then look for what you want. You have tried to cover multiple bases and have never been sure about your career anyway, (PCBM + Bio + JEE), by looks of things, you aren't sure about what to do now too, you are only sure about what not to do.

So don't do law permanently, do it for 25 months, get out of the guilt and then do whatever you might want to do, since you giving everything up now will not only add monetary pressure but also add guilt and stress in whatever you choose to do next, its best that you first pay off the loan by doing law and then have some savings before jumping into a career change. A free guilt free mind and more space to think, plus these 2 years to think what to do next, will surely make you choose wisely.

One other thing, counterbalance aspirations with real world practical problems you are facing, otherwise you would end up digging a bigger hole for yourself.

Hy everyone! I am a LLM candidate and part time Research Associate at one of the famous judicial coaching institute. Recently after implemention of 2nd NJPC, on the instruction of institute, I along with my team drafted a detailed salary structure for the judicial aspirants. The research based on the data provided by respected Judicial Officers of different states. Here I am only sharing the starting pay at all Grade in brief for rough idea. If Institute allow, then will try to share the pdf link of salary structure in detail here. Thanks

CIVIL JUDGE (JUNIOR) - Starting Basic : Rs. 77,840

DA : 42% (revised every 6 month)

Cash Allowances : Rs. 8K - 12K

Total Monthly: Rs.1.18L - Rs. 1.22L

Total Annual: Rs.14.2L - Rs.15L

CIVIL JUDGE (SENIOR) - Starting

Basic : Rs.1,11,000

DA : 42% (revised every 6 month)

Cash Allowances : Rs. 14K - Rs.20K

Total Monthly : Rs.1.71L - Rs. 1.77L

Total Annual : Rs.20.5L - Rs.21.3L

DISTRICT JUDGE (ENTRY) - Starting

Basic : Rs.1,44,840

DA : 42% (revised every 6 month)

Cash Allowances - Rs. 22K - Rs. 35K

Total Monthly : Rs.2.27L - Rs.2.41L

Total Annual : Rs.27.24 L - Rs. 28.8L

DISTRICT JUDGE (SELECTION) - Starting

Basic : Rs. 1,63,030

DA : 42% (revised every 6 month)

Cash Allowances - Rs. 33K - 50K

Total Monthly : Rs. 2.64L - Rs. 2.8L

Total Annual : Rs. 31.7L - Rs. 33.6L

DISTRICT JUDGE (SUPER TIME) - Starting

Basic : Rs. 1,99,100

DA: 42% (revised every 6 month)

Allowances (in cash) - Rs. 48K - 65K

Total Monthly : Rs.3.3L - Rs.3.47L

Total Annual: Rs. 39.6L - Rs. 41.64L

NOTE :

1. Both State & Centre have made changes in the DA pattern for next 10yr i.e., 2016 to 2025 for every govt. employees. In 2026, the DA pattern will again revised with pay (expected). In July 2016, the DA was at 2% but since Jan 2023 it is 42% both at Centre and State.

2. Allowances which paid in cash like Medical, Sumptuary, petrol, etc., are only taken for calculations. Non-Cash Allowances like HRA, Domestic Helper, Transport, etc., are not included because it only paid when particular subjects are not available.

3. Basic & DAs are now made uniform across India.

4. These are Gross Salaries because deductions varies states to states like some state are followings NPS & some OPS.

Marriage is more about rights - ability to adopt, spousal benefits under various statutes and insurance policies, taking medical decisions and also tax structuring. I don't see why one's sexuality should play into these decisions. If 2 people want to get married so that they are legally considered a couple along with all the ramifications it brings, I don't know how that affects society.

Polygamy is fine where there are consenting adults not under duress or undue influence. But the same legal issues get murkier with multiple partners including inheritance rights, spousal benefits etc. Still, these issues could be ironed out if one were so inclined.

Nalsar alumnus here. Both are pretty much the same - nalsar and nujs. Both have seen a recent downturn because of administration drama, standards at both places are lower than they were ten years ago. But both places remain far far ahead of every private university in the country. Can’t make a wrong choice.

So, i got a days notice to prep for the interview. I was informed by the team right after callback that they are recommending me. But the actual interview was scheduled 4 months later.

Two interviews happened, one by my recommending partner and one by a neutral partner.

The first interview was pretty technical and I f'ed it up a little since had practically no time to prep (the process had taken so long that I had given up hope so stopped studying after the first 2 month delay, my bad). But overall it was decent. Questions on the work I did, my publications and basics of contract, companies act. Second interview was very chill, just basic HR questions and direct Cv questions.

I worked with around 10 15 lawyers from 2 different teams. Most of my work was from SA's and some from a counsel. Little work came from associates.

PPO interviews can be moderate to difficult. Two rounds are conducted, first is by your recommending partner, second is by a neutral partner.

I would focus more on the recomminding partners interview since mine was pretty technical and was a lot on the work I had done at the firm while interning, apart from basics of contract, transfer of property and arbitration. (Since I was with the Disputes team) i would suggest brushing up basics thoroughly and literally memorize your CV, esp work done and publications.

The second interview by the neutral partner was pretty chill. Direct questions from the CV and some basic HR questions such as Why Trilegal, why disputes, why not litigation, why you etc.

A side note of caution, while scheduling first interview almost guarantees a PPO, the same is not true after callback. You may or may not get it. I say this because many people receive a mail from the HR asking for updated CV and internship worksheets post the callback and think that this might mean a ppo interview will be held. Not true. Personally know someone who got this mail but the persons team refused to take the interview. Post callback, the entire process takes around 6 months, from interview to final offer.

Just came across a book chapter that is an excellent research piece on the position of privilege in the legal profession in India, how it led to the creation of NLS, and what path it is perhaps leading us. It forces one to think a lot about one's own positionality and why we value what we value. Very curious to hear the thoughts of LI readers! If you have counter-arguments, please back them up with actual evidence.

Here is the link: http://doi.org/10.1515/9780520382725-008

It is open access, so please do give the whole thing a read!

Gold Standard - AZB, S&R, CAM, IndusLaw

Silver Standard - SAM, Trilegal, Khaitan, JSA, Saraf/L&L

Debt Specialized Teams - TT&A, SNG, ZBA

Bronze Standard - Rajani, ALMT, Wadia Ghandy, Juris Corp

Securities Regulatory Firms - Finsec, Regstreet, NDA, ELP, Juris Corp (apart from Tier 1s)

Umm.. because an IIT seat requires a lot of investment on coaching classes and material which is highly unaffordable to middle class and lower middle class families and due to the ingrained patriarchal mindset would rather spend their money on their sons rather than daughters. I even know upper class families who don't allow daughters to do engineering and ask them to do medical or pharma or fashion designing, because of the same mindset as yours. It's sad I even have to address this in this time and age.

Listen to me, don't look at a statistic and blindly make general conclusions from them, if you ever attended coaching for clat ud know that's a fallacy. It's like saying there are few deers in the lions den, so deers don't have the physical strength to enter an enclosure.

There are social circumstances behind every statistic and you must apply them while reading these, and not jump on the bandwagon to make a controversial statement.

As a fellow double dropper , I had the same query as yours - but it seems that drop years do not hurt your chances(especially if it was a partial drop) , till you provide valid reasons and justify yourself. The threads at Legally India also more or less said the same thing.

As for your other queries , check out this thread 🧵

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/253908-gold-medal-or-qualifying-in-jessup-which-helps-a-more-in-getting-a-training-contract

I am a litigator. I know a "leading question" when I see one. OP here didn't ask a question cause they wanted to use the question framework to lay out an opinion. One that is largely unfounded. They want to say that being LGBT is a psychological disorder that is linked to how the individual was raised. I am fine with them saying that. I am not offended by the fact that they said that. I am irritated by the fact that they choose to couch it in "leading questions" instead of you know, directly saying it. Now thanks to the form of argument they took, the entire interaction was useless. Cause I still honestly can't tell what their question is apart from stating a hypothesis and letting the world figure it out. This is intellectually dishonest behaviour. I am happy to honestly deal with issues and have to an extent tried to frame issues on OPs post to deal with. But asking leading questions is just not on.

Responses to your simplified questions in next post.

Tight slap for SILF. But how come Manan has suddenly become a modern reformer??

https://www.barandbench.com/interviews/entry-of-foreign-law-firms-interview-bci-chairman-manan-kumar-mishra

They won’t reject cause you’re first year. They might reject cause your writing is not good enough, cause your analysis lacks clarity- cause you’re not saying something new.and all of that is fair. No one is entitled to get published until they learn and put in the work to write something other people want to read. You don’t get kid gloves because you’re a first year. And there’s no shame in learning- no written rule that you have to publish in your first year to get anything. This is not a requirement - it’s an achievement. Take your time - learn how to do it and get published cause you’ve written something good - not because you’re a baby first year. That’s how it’s always been.

Is it all nature with no element of nature ?

This is philosophical unless you mean nurture. Its all nature. At least that's what the doctor told me. Something to do with a chromosome that likes to tap dance.

Also you really haven't asked questions. It's unfair if you give me a bunch of data and ask me to frame my own questions. Next time after lamba rant, frame a question. Anyway I will frame them and answer them for I am feeling thoda nice today.

I have a mixed emotion about queers and queer expression.

1. I see all as equals with everyone living the way they want.

Good

2. Sometimes I feel that the gender fluidity discussion has been taken too far. E.g. i identify as abc...

Far from what? Why is there a benchmark? How did you set the bench mark? Why is nature so important if you are okay with choice? If choice exists, then the question of nature is irrelevant.

3. How much of being queer is nature ? Is there no element of nature ? I know it is going to be shot down but I believe there is definitely some element of nurture and surroundings which impact the development of a person's sexuality. Either is right. It's essentially a right to chose at the end of the day.

Talk to the scientists then. Do a study. Have it peer reviewed and publish it.

4. I don't know any lesbian. I have friends who are gay. A fairly high percentage of them were sexually abused as children- a percentage high enough to not make it seem as a co-incidence. Unless this was a very skewed sample- is there any co-relation? (Linking it to my question in nurture and surroundings).

Then please pitch a study to see if childhood sexual abuse results in queer identity. You can't determine this on legally India! Please be structured about how you go about things. You are or probably are a lawyer one day!

5. Queer people who have come out- a lot of them wear their sexuality on their sleeve? Is it that they are just more expressive or the.just the fact the fact that any kind of minority holds their identity very tightly ?

Well straight people wear it on their sleeves too. It's just that it doesn't appear different from the background. Go to marine drive. So many holding hands and hiding under umbrellas. They too wear it on their sleeves. Just cause someone is open, doesn't mean they wear it on their sleeves. Sexuality is one part of an identity, not all of it.

These are honest questions and at the risk of sounding ignorant, I'm taking refuge in anonymity to ask these questions.

These aren't honest questions. Cause you didn't ask anyway. I'm playing in good faith, why can't you? Just play in good faith. If you want to say bigoted things, just say it, don't couch it in false sociological studies ka language. I would much rather deal with open bigotry than hidden nonsense like this. Have honour.

Hey, I've noticed that students from your batch are in a hurry. I guess some mentor of yours is scaring you, so let me help. When you're in hurry, you often produce mediocre work. It's important to take your time and follow the process. In your first year, it's common to feel like you need to conquer everything, but the truth is that you don't. Just calm down a bit, take a break, congratulations if you did well in CLAT, but now the real journey begins.

Here are some tips to help you along the way:

Grades are crucial in law school. Pay attention in class and study every day. You don't need publications or moots as long as your grades are high. So no matter what you do keep your grades high.

Regarding publications, as a second-year student, you may not know much about a specific area of law. So, first, find an area that interests you, then read everything you can about it. Stay updated with current news and events in that area until you identify a gap in the law. Then, write about it for reputable blogs and journals. Start with NLU blogs and work your way up to journals over time.

As a first-year student, it's not important where you intern. Start with an NGO, then try to work with a few chambers/senior advocates, and lastly with firms. Apply for internships at least 6 months prior and follow up with your emails.

Moots are another important aspect of law school. As a first-year student, take the time to learn the process by observing senior students. Learn how to format your memo, research, and draft arguments. It all requires practice. I remember, when I was in my first year, one of my senior told me "moots are mostly won by those who put in the most effort".

Finally, remember that everything is a process that requires time and patience. Don't hurry or rely on Chat GPT to do your work. Focus on improving consistently and your CV will be fine, enjoy the process because everything will take its own sweet time. If you're from a decent law school, you'll likely get a job. Best of luck, and welcome to the field of law!

I would put it broadly like this:

JSA > Trilegal > KCo/SAM > Saraf/AZB > CAM

While this is highly subjective and noone has enough data to evaluate this as a whole, certain trends have largely been recognised across law schools, and I'm basing this on these.

First, that lately CAM has distributed a huge number of PPOs across the Tier 1 NLUs, on the basis of a single internship. More importantly, their PPO interviews are extremely short and have negligible technical aspects.

Second, that AZB has also largely shifted to a one internship policy and has offered more PPOs than callbacks, at least across T1 NLUs.

Third, that Saraf prefers offering callback opportunities, but exceptions have been made. Their PPO interviews themselves tend to be simple, and while they don't take too many interns, they assess their interns promptly.

Fourth, that while KCo has had a one internship policy, they've offered PPO interviews to far lesser people recently, even after giving out great feedback to interns. Both KCo and AZB interviews can vary in content and duration depending upon the partners.

Fifth, that SAM generally has a callback policy, but some offices/teams have been known to make exceptions. Their interviews are also largely straightforward, but they're in general quite selective (in terms of grades, law school, feedback etc.) in hiring either from PPOs or otherwise.

Sixth, that Trilegal largely prefers more Day Z placements from T1 than offering more PPOs. They also have a strict callback policy, and the PPO interviews further tend to include the trickiest technical questions.

And seventh, that JSA is undoubtedly the most reluctant of them all. The underlying issue is that there are too many stakeholders whose consent is required for making an offer. At the outset, they often don't assign specific teams for your first internship, but rather assign you to a whole floor. Even if you get a 'callback', it's not automatically treated as an assessment internship, and you may be required to do more/extended callbacks. Assuming that you impress enough senior members in these to land an assessment and eventually a PPO interview, there are two interviews with a salaried partner & the equity partner respectively. Even if the salaried partner likes you, eventually, it would be the equity partner out of whose effective pockets your 8% billables sharing would eventually emanate from. As such, there are some equity partners who simply keep rejecting people just to keep their teams smaller, making JSA the most reluctant firm to offer PPOs.

Do keep in mind that this is based on recent trends in the past 2 years in my personal experience, and therefore, not perfectly accurate.

I'm a non-nlu final year as well, got into GNLU Jodhpur but decided to go for the former since its Corp program is well renowned.

I've been researching reading testimonials, talking to llm students and grass and also talked to partners and founders at T2, T3 firms and it seems that the opinion is unanimous that LLM credential is not something which will improve job prospects unless you wanna go into academics or govt job. They barely have placements as the LLM candidates have to invite firms and Cos seperately and no T1's or T2's even respond.

On top of this it's honestly depressing how faculties, admin and even bachelor's students treat LLM students. I've seriously considered dropping the plan to attend the program altogether. Only possible merits are:

1) Networking with a good peer group

2) Getting NLU alumni tag

3) Access to good facilities and some semblance of a law college life which I personally lacked at a shit pvt college