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Go go. You'll find out what "meritocracy" really means.
I'm sorry, but this is absolute hypocrisy.
Or are the commenters here older and the downvoters Gen Z?
1. Singapore: NUS and SMU
2. Hong Kong: HKU, City University and Chinese University
3. Japan: Tokyo, Kyoto, Waseda, Osaka, Nagoya etc
4. China: Peking, Tsinghua, Renmin, CUPL, Fudan etc.
5. South Korea: Seoul National University, Yonsei University, etc.
6. Taiwan: Taiwan National University
These universities are all in rich first world countries. Even China should be considered a rich first world country. Thus, these universities should certainly be ahead when it comes to physical infrastructure and funding. In terms of recruitment, all these countries are advanced economies, so there are probably enough good jobs for all graduates. Lots of international law firms too.
So the only areas where NLSIU can probably outdo them is student quality and faculty quality. Objectively, one area where NLSIU should be ahead is the study of human rights law and critical sociological approaches to law: Law and Poverty, Law and Caste, Gender and Law etc. I'm not sure if China, Singapore, Japan etc focus much in these areas.
The growth in teams is minimal, with the practice already top-heavy relative to the number of clients requiring assistance, plus top-heavy with some of the most notorious folks within Indian legal circles. Plus, most companies have realised ways and means to circumvent the CCI, and most corporate teams in law firms are now eating the merger control pie with the aid of AI.
The practice area relies way too much on copycat activities from abroad, and that has actually hurt the CCI. India's old economy needs attention just like the digital economy. Another external factor is the fact the EU is abandoning the administrative scaffolding that the CCI modelled itself around and is pushing for more "industrial policy", which is India's default setup anyway, and India is reverting to it.
Finally, take a good look at the regulator; it's practically dead as we speak without the coram required. Now, the selection committee process with the EC selection committee issues will be even more prolonged. This isn't without precedent either. It was like this a few years ago. This start-stop, staggered way of functioning will not augur well for a well-functioning fair trade regulator. So don't do it.
I have a few questions, would be grateful if somebody could answer:
1. Which city should be the second preference after Bombay for corp based internship?
2. What are some other good practice areas at tri in terms of callback and hopefully a ppo in the future? (Apart from bnf and cap markets)
3. Has anybody interned in hybrid mode? What is it like?
In terms of execution, I made the switch by taking my chances in terms of applying to chambers and firms.You use the same logic for corporate law. JUST START ASAP AND APPLY.
Use your alumni network and professional network well. Start off by asking them if anyone can take you on for a corp role. People trust you already in terms of work so they will oblige. I did the same and it has worked wonders. Don't looks at Tier 1 firms specifically. Firms like META law and other smaller firms are a better bet and you should apply there. Look for a reference if possible
I have recently purchased a house in London in an apartment complex (I have been living in that city for over five years now). Without giving too many identifying details, this is the sort of place that costs north of £650,000, and the complex is the kind of place that "feels posh" right from the entry steps. The sort of place whose equivalent in Mumbai would be lived in by the most affluent of the society only. Of course, some flats on the lower floors of this London apartment complex are what are known as "affordable housing units", and some are bought on mortgages. Some of the flats have, of course, been rented out, and those rents are not cheap either. I have been looking for a cleaner recently, and have been recommended to a resident of one of the other flats who is a cleaner. Not some type of UK version of a live-in domestic worker, but a resident of this kind of flat whose job is to be a cleaning lady. I don't know whether or not she owns or rents the flat she lives in. Regardless, can you ever think of a person in our country who does a job like that whose own home is among that of the richest of the society?
Sure, the UK has more than enough problems with cost of living, globally among the highest taxation rates and so on - not skating over those. But you cannot deny that workers in this kind of a society get things that workers in our kinds of societies just don't get. Attempting to make such an argument would be, simply, unpatriotic, as it would get us to believe that our country is okay, when it just isn't.
This line clearly shows: what is wrong above all things is your mentality. You expect to get something pretty substantial - a job which involves knowledge transmission and knowledge creation about law - for what is basically nothing: undergraduate and master's degrees. You have completed some exam. What do those show? Nothing useful to the faculty board recruiting for a particular uni, except that you know your basics of law and have done some work toward a specialisation. Have you proved yourself in any meaningful way? Have you done a PhD project? A substantial piece of research that results in a book-length writing? Have you published substantial pieces of work in peer reviewed journals? Seemingly, not - would be very surprising if you had, considering your current stage of education.
Sure: the job market is bad, if you operate on the assumption that the market's expectations until now have been correct, i.e., that these expectations resulted, overall, in the recruitment of high quality people. What you don't want to do is to be operating under this assumption. Please revise your opinions and build your profile accordingly, because, to be clear, this way of recruitment has most certainly not resulted in recruitment overall of high quality people. Even among those who are high quality, their quality has been undermined by being among intellectual inferiors.
If you have a PhD in which you have done well and have made the most of other opportunities necessary for those preparing for a career in academia - you have a meaningful, highly original, substantial contribution to knowledge as your end result of your PhD, your PhD is from a good uni, if you were well-supervised (your supervisor was a person with meaningful contributions in the field, who supported you not only with thesis feedback but also in job search), if you have done temp teaching jobs at your uni during your PhD which has built your teaching experience CV, if you have done research assistant jobs which has built your exposure on that side, if you have maybe managed to get a paper into a journal - and you are still having problems, then we have a meaningful basis on which to talk about whether or not the job market is bad. Until then...
I graduated from a tier 1 law college amongst top ranks. However, I'm not liking the firm I joined (it has now been 5 months). My team is toxic and I didn't want to do this work to begin with but because it was a day zero offer I did not get to choose my team. I am looking to shift as soon as possible. Please can someone guide me for vacancies/leads that might be open now? How does hiring process work if someone wants to leave before 1 year?
Don't join. Save yourself.
Please keep updated! On similar terms
I found remarkabke small firms everywhere.
I do acknowledge the difference tho - yahaan ek mahine ki salary ke L lagenge, India mai puri saal ki saving ki band bajegi.
Or will be an excuse for someone to say 'Arre you can leave late, you stay close by right'
NLS, Jindal, DU, IIT KGP, even NLUD and Nalsar must be ahead of NUJS.
The argument that moots receive the majority of the university's funding while other activities receive comparatively little is flawed.
Whats the leave policy for mooters? Funding plus leave is a must.
I'm 30, five years out, two in my hometown (lockdown years, so effectively stunted) and three in Delhi covering district courts, DHC, some criminal, civil and administrative matters. I went independent earlier than I should have because staying wasn't an option given how things were with seniors. Independence hasn't worked the way I hoped. Network hasn't responded the way I expected, income has been inconsistent, and if I'm being straight with myself, the lack of work has made me a bit rusty despite having done some genuinely good work when opportunities came.
I've decided to switch to corporate, TMT and data privacy specifically. The plan is clear, the resources are identified, I know exactly what I need to do. The problem is I can't seem to trust any one plan fully and actually follow through consistently. Lots of thinking, not enough doing. Confidence has taken a hit and rebuilding it while also preparing for a switch is harder than I anticipated.
Two things I'd genuinely like advice on from people who've actually been through this, does an LLM abroad meaningfully improve your chances at 30 with my profile, or is it expensive signalling that doesn't justify the cost and time? And if you've been through a phase where you knew what needed to be done but couldn't consistently execute, what actually helped you bridge that gap? Not looking for motivation, looking for what practically worked.
She is a gem. Her team not so much
If that wasn't bad enough, professors turned a blind eye when invigilating the exercises, and very often most professors would even leave the classroom for extended periods of time (10 or more minutes). As a result, there was almost no group which did not have at least one member hiding their phone beneath their desk and using generative AI to dictate the text to another member of the group who did the writing. People also used their phones to simply refer to the digital copy of the format for the draft shared earlier by the professors, to replicate the same in the answers. Everyone saw it happen, I myself am eyewitness to many people doing it.
The irony of ironies is that the futility of the evaluation method was repeatedly demonstrated to the relevant authorities (professors in-charge of academic affairs), and it was pointed out to faculty that using the same question/prompt when one section does it first is a bad idea. None of them gave a damn, nothing was changed. It might be delusional of me, but I hope publishing this here brings some attention to this so that such rampant fraud and poor course design is better prevented going forward.
Thatcher(Well just ask the average Britisher about her and compare the economic policies she bought and their effects) and Don't even get me started on Reagan and reaganomics.The Legislative intent of the founding fathers of India designed in praxis,A naturally progressive endeavour.To use means of say thatcherism or other forms of heavy power concentration is antithetical to the founding principles of Indian Democracy.
I thought things would improve with experience, but now that I’m more efficient, I’m expected to multitask and handle 50 things a day. Does it ever get better, or should I move in-house for a better work-life balance? I barely have time to go home and have dinner with my family and it makes me guilty to be so absent.
All time Anti Indian sentiments are high, Wannabe Orange has put a $100K fee, LLM fees are over 1Cr INR, the list of problems are never ending
I was asking whether this 2 year MBA will make other transaction lawyers judge you or shun you
Did my MBA from IIM C, Now working in Kearney. IB guys make hell lot of money.
even Avendus Associate pay is 25L fixed + 25L bonus , JP/Goldman are leagues apart
Hell No, the purchasing power of a guy in US is exponentially more than a guy in India in terms of Electronics, Furnitures, Cars and House. In fact US is Equal or cheaper than Indian Items on absolute terms.
Don't forget Dollar arbitrage, A Lawyer making 40L in India Cant afford to have a comfortable 10 day trip to switzerland while a US Lawyer making 200K USD can easily do that in any part of the world without breaking sweat.
Don't ever get fooled by PPP shit and don't forget "quality of life"
Please suggest
Can anyone help me with any insights? And how do I go about the technical interview?
Your regular Tier 1s are fine then
Checkmate.
How much do these A0s work? Let's be even more generous and assume 9 hours a day, which is unachievable btw. It comes to 45 hours if we assume a 5-day work week, which is also a fugazi.
But because we have made these low-ball assumptions, we can forget worrying about non-weekend holidays. 4 weeks in a month, so that gives us 180 hours a month. 1,50,000 INR for 180 hours comes to 833.33 INR/hour.
If you, as a normal person, were to buy dollars from a bank, a good deal would be around 100 INR for a dollar. So you're making well under $9/hour.
The federal US minimum wage is $7.25/hour, and about 30 of the 50 total states have set a wage higher than that. This is minimum wage - all except immigrant agricultural workers make that. Think janitors, cleaning staff - anyone with two hands, two eyes, and two legs.
American A0s who work at the same level as Indian Big5 T1 law firms are paid $225,000 a year. They work just as hard as you do, all the crazy hours. Even the small firms shell out north of $150,000 a year. You can multiply by 100 pretty easily - these are 1.5 to 2.25 crore INR a year, as the first salary. Most newly minted salaried partners at 10-11 years PQE in India are not making that much.
With this context and perspective, there should be no doubt whatsoever in your mind that an American clerk or taxi driver no doubt make more than a CAM associate or even SA, at nearly any PQE range. Median pay for these professions can be reasonably determined to be north of $45,000 a year, and usually it's better than that. This is, you guessed it, 45+ LPA INR.
Yes, there is PPP. Yes, there is very heavy student debt in the US. Yes, there are high taxes and stagnating opportunities in the EU. That's some part of the reason the prices are so different.
For PPP in particular, note that it is a relevant cope only for domestic goods. Markets for services and commodities are becoming global at a rapid pace. Food, housing, and other such things are domestic markets. Food in particular is extremely cheap in India compared to the West. But fuel, luxury automobiles, flights (especially abroad), concert or stadium tickets, watches, computers, phones, videogames, streaming services, TVs, washing machines, speakers - all your big-ticket expenses linked to living "the good life" are entirely global markets with global prices. Surely, you are not slogging sleepless hours to buy rice and lentils? One could buy rice and lentils with much less!
Thus, there is no doubt whatsoever that in nominal and in PPP adjusted terms, the in-hand pay of the poorest 10% in the USA and western Europe exceeds your in-hand pay as someone working in an Indian law firm. And it will stay so until the legal services industry becomes a global market. Just like the deeply indebted farmer must sell at razor-thin margins to the wholesaler as he has no option to export, so too you slave for the Indian firm for peanuts as you have no reasonable choice of a more prosperous source of demand.
Threatening an intern's career, using the firm's clout to intimidate juniors, and hiding behind anonymity while doing it are not signs of professional excellence. They're good reasons to question someone's judgment and integrity.
Young lawyers risk having their careers decided by small-minded politics. Companies risk paying a premium for counsel who don't meet the standards they expect. Neither has to put up with it.
No firm or lawyer is indispensable in Capital Markets. The people who pay for them can always go elsewhere.
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