It's not ironical if you just see it for what it is: people having to participate in the society (because what else would one do?) while willing to improve it.

Would have shared the famous comic on this point, as I have done countless times on this website before, but ever since LI has updated its UI, it seems images cannot be embedded anymore.

This reminds me - I've had to argue with two CAs myself over some very simple things only for them to agree at a later stage. One of them was doing my tax filing and would have made me pay higher tax. Like, it's your only job ffs, I don't even practice taxation law how do you know this less than I do?

I don't know why these people deflect. No one is saying they don't work hard. All they are saying is that someone who is placed differently who works as hard but doesn't have these advantages and networks will not get as far. It is one thing to have privilege and another to be so tone deaf.

Law students throw ink at KSLU VC in Hubballi
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https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/law-students-throw-ink-at-kslu-vc-in-hubballi/article38127143.ece

It is so easy for you to just say that look for alt career, but have you thought what effect it makes on person who is so stressed out, unsure about how they are going to achieve their career. Sometimes you guys say CLAT is not everything, people succeed even though they dont give CLAT other times you make it like life is entirely over because someone could not clear CLAT. I came for genuine advice, I'm not here to fucking play i want this career thats why I am on this website asking what to do

Link Legal (HRs). Try sending to these people:

Neha.chamria@linklegal.in

abhishek@linklegal.in

reeza.vij@linklegal.in

NLU Meghalaya, though very new, has started promisingly. The new VC is starting some interesting courses and specialisation and the high court CJ is taking a personal interest in setting up the institution. The VC also has a decent research background and will doubtless be focusing on that.

Load of BS about your crowd and GDPI process. Look, I know you want to feel good about the place you are studying at and are investing your money and time into. Even top NLU students feel like that sometimes. But claiming that only "nerds" clear CLAT while SLS-P students are some street-smart all-rounders with multiple talents because of some GDPI process is a pretty lousy argument to make. It's not some rigorous interview to select only the very best. In the past, SLS never even released the marks given at the interview stage and I know for a fact that they tend to prefer folks with slightly lower CLAT ranks since the ones with better ranks generally choose tier-1/2 NLUs and drop SLS. Regardless, GNLU, NLIU, etc. are atleast a tier above SLS-P.

And you have clearly not seen the profile of students at the tier-1 NLUs, the quality of education and the crowd at SLS-P and places like JGLS simply does not compare, and I've experienced both places. Top 30% of the crowd is a large generalisation of the crowd at SLS. They are comparable maybe to the tier-2 NLU grads from where many folks work hard to crack judicial and other competitive exams, get occasional tier-1 jobs, etc., and not to tier-1 NLUs (maybe the top 5-10% are). And like JGLS, SLS just started having somewhat respectable placements only 1-2 years back, probably owing to a booming hiring market. Don't make it seem like the place has some historically excellent track record. Its alumni achievements are also largely owing to its age than the college itself.

You dug up a more than one-year old thread just to comment this nonsense? If anything, this is a good thing since it shows that there isn't some cheap culture of hierarchies at NLUD. Probably why NLUD grads are more progressive and forward-thinking rather than whatever trashy place produced the likes of you.

Genuine question: is there a single country (except possibly China, oddly enough) where you think privatising the railways has led to anything positive? Free markets only work where there's competition between different operators, and what competes with rail in general, and especially in India? Air travel? Buses?

I was starting as an associate in one of the t1s in Bangalore and was wondering whether I should get a two-wheeler (preferably a scooter) for my daily commute. I live about 20 minutes from my office and there is no good metro connectivity in the area. So is it advisable to get a scooter (for easy riding and mileage), or should I spend more money and get a bike?
Bangalore people please help!

VERY CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC.

For starters, just aim for the undisputed top 6/Tier 1 NLUs i.e. NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUJ, GNLU and NLIU. After that it's quite messed up, but to say the least, HNLU, NLUO, RMLNLU, RGNUL and NUALS are some great institutes. A tier above the likes of DSNLU, TNNLU and CNLU for sure.

Mind that not ALL NLUs are worth spending money on; you would fare better if you do engineering at your local university rather than going for something like MNLU-A or NLU, Meghalaya, in terms of employability. I hope I gave you an outline to work with as an aspirant. Best of luck! :)

I have had numerous internships, particularly in Tier-I law firms, where I encountered Rishab's team consisting of incredibly toxic and arrogant individuals. While Rishab and Kartikey stood out as a positive and informal team members, the ▮▮▮ were consistently rude and condescending. Their comments such as "you are wasting my time," "How can you even call me," "There are countless interns like you," and "No one asks such basic questions" were deeply demoralizing. I often questioned why I was dedicating my time and efforts to these individuals. In one instance, a ▮▮▮ from their team, ▮▮▮, directed ▮▮▮ frustration towards me when I submitted my work five minutes past the deadline. Despite my sincere efforts to deliver presentable work, ▮▮▮ berated me, exclaiming, "I need to close my laptop and sleep, yet you are taking an excessive amount of time!" This incident took place late in the evening, around 10-11 PM, while I was working remotely.

Furthermore, a former ▮▮▮ or ▮▮▮ who also left the firm once remarked that I should redo three days' worth of work within a single hour. ▮▮▮ also questioned my suitability for the team, emphasizing that it is a leading team in the entire country and there are numerous individuals more capable than myself, whom they could easily hire. The ▮▮▮, who holds degrees from prestigious institutions like ▮▮▮ and ▮▮▮, has unfortunately proven to be the most discourteous individual I have encountered within the law firm. In a highly unpleasant manner, ▮▮▮ informed me that they cannot consider me for recruitment. Moreover, while ▮▮▮ can freely contact me and assign tasks at any time, I am not permitted to reach out to ▮▮▮ during regular business hours to seek clarifications, as ▮▮▮ tirelessly attends to client matters, fearing potential oversight. Despite having high expectations based on ▮▮▮ impressive credentials, ▮▮▮ behavior as a person is exceedingly toxic, lacking basic manners. It is important for these individuals to bear in mind that they are interacting with someone significantly younger, who is earnestly striving to collaborate with them. As law interns, we hold them in high regard, yet they fail to reciprocate that respect.

You might be referring to this: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/250499-b-tier-uk-unis-vs-a-tier-nlus-which-is-better#comment-250499

Cracking CLAT? Seriously?

Rona chhod ke kabhi unki bhi success ko celebrate kar liya karo jo tumhare NLU club se bahar ke ho. Kuchh entitled beings sochte hain ki sare Sansar ka sukh, vaibhav, sampada aur aishwarya sirf unke liye hai jinhone CLAT crack kiya hai. Jinhone CLAT crack nahi kiya wo to kaamchor aur nalayak hain, jinhe jine tak nahi dena chahiye. Tumhare hisab se 190 crore ka ghar to sirf kisi NLU tag wale ko hi milna chahiye. Aur Legally India website bhi is echo chamber ka part hai.

Aur kya fayda tumhare CLAT clear karne ka jab tum news tak nahi cross check kar sakte.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/urvashi-rautela-moves-to-new-home-worth-rs-190-crore-report-101685609678868.html

Manu Joseph in Mint. So is it then worth it slaving away in corp law firms for such a life?

" What is left of Mumbai is only its suffocation and the petty sizes of homes. It certainly has improved in one aspect. Until about 10 years ago, only the rich could live in a building that had lawns and pools, and many billionaires did not have even that. But today the upper middle-class can find residential buildings that have a pool and a gym. Even in this redeeming quality, there is nothing special about Mumbai. Other cities offer better homes at half the price."

https://www.livemint.com/opinion/columns/the-abduction-of-mumbai-a-city-lost-in-time-and-progression-struggling-to-keep-up-with-basic-infrastructure-11685297377773.html

23 batch
Clifford Chance TC-1
NDA-1 (PPO)
Khaitan - 0
Trilegal - 0

Indus -1 (PPO)
AZB-3 (all PPOs)
CAM-1 (PPO)
Spiceroute -1 (PPO)
SAM-2
Adani - 4
Citi-2
Thinklaw-1
Renuka Sugars -1
Clove Legal - 1
Majmudar - 1 (PPO)
Wadia Ghandy -2 (PPO)
S&R- 1 (PPO)

Don’t contest something that happened to a actual individual . Résolut partners please understand what you are doing is wrong ! Giving hopeful people false hope is the worst when you talk so much about empathy etc . Don’t preach what you don’t believe.

I request that my opinion should not be taken down , let people / students know the truth !

Ok. I know what I am about to say is going to sound radical. But hear me out.

Look, when I signed up for the job, I knew it was going to be long hours. While other jobs people get to leave office at 6-7pm, we have to stay around in office till at least 9pm.

A normal day of a Corp lawyer probably ends at 10pm. If there’s more work, yes, stay back till 12pm - 1 am and finish the work.

I’m even okay to work till 3-4 am on certain days - let’s say when deadline is in next 2 days.

But when every week, the work becomes such that you have to work till 3 in the night, and even weekends you don’t get a break, then you have to push back.

I know we get paid by the hour, so technically the more hours you work, the more money you get. But certain hours are more valuable than other hours. Especially 1am - 6am. That’s when our body needs sleep. It’s not something optional.

You know which group works till 3-4am in the night regularly? People who are in high growth startups, and are trying to establish themselves. If we have to work every other day till 3 am, we are much better off working in a startup. At least you get equity in startups, not some random fluff from seniors about “take ownership about work”

And you might say, oh - it’s because lot of matters are on fire right now. Umm ok, but as a senior with 10 + years experience, you can surely anticipate that. Why are you taking on more work when you know you are understaffed for that task?

Because here’s what happens when workload increases. Juniors get pulled up for not being committed enough. Junior tries to work late night, pushes their limit, burnouts and then quits due to mental health issues.

Partner pockets the profit and finds someone else to replace then in 1-2 months.

The house always wins.

Your comparison is flawed. You can't compare a topper of NUALS with some 80 ranked dude who is below average at best. Similarly batch ranked 100 at NLS will be an average kid in a batch 240 peeps, u can't compare him with a ranked 20 fellow.

Let's compare a ranked 100 fellow (average kid) with ranked 50-60 kid (NUJS) both should have similar capabilities. Now if firms hire 100-150 fellows from a batch 240 students at NLS then the stats of other NLUs will surely get affected as there are not enough jobs! In the near term 180-240 peeps start graduating from NLS, no NLU will have 100% placement stats. All T1 NLUs will prolly place the same percentage of the batch at similarly placed firms.

Let's say T1 NLUs start placing 70% of thr batch at good places. Due to the increased batch sizes, this figure will cover almost all the jobs and the lower ranked NLUs will get peanuts. While the rest 30% of the batch will not get into decent places.

Therefore, placement records of all the T1 NLUs will get affected proportionately. In absolute numbers, u may say that 50kids did not secure a job but in terms of percentage of the batch it will remain the same as other NLUs. The lower NLUs will get affected the most as firms won't even go there for day Z

Have just completed 3rd year. Applied to certain firms but couldn't secure an internship for summer break, working on some publications for now. Internships done so far have mostly involved litigation. Decent NLU, Above average-ish CV, 0 contacts and non-legal background.

Any suggestions on how to go about next?

I am a law student and have used it for legal research. Chatgpt is a good substitute of normal Google research. It helps me understand a brief overview of the topic and maybe a few points of contentions. However, u can never rely on the material for sure, surely not for references. It makes up cases that doesn't exist, books/articles that have never been written!

Start your research with chatgpt but it's product must not be the final thing u submit, every single fact must be cross-checked

Both are dream job of law graduates. One is military service while other is civil service. Let's compare b/w them :-

JUDGE ADVOCATE GENERAL (JAG)

1. SELECTION: All India level exam, seats are very limited (last year 6 for male & 3 for women). Only candidates age between 21 to 27yr age are eligible & no concept of reservation. Initially everyone granted SSC max. for 14yr on expiry (if not fit & eligible) released from the service. But if fit & eligible than only Permanent Commission granted (before expiry b/w 10 to 14yr). So not only cracking exam is tough but continuing in service is more tough. Also there is no scheme of lateral entry.

2. JURISDICTION : It only deals with criminal matters related within the Military provided under Army/Navy/Airforce Act. Any causality to civilians or if rape/murder/CH done within armed forces than only civilian (district) courts can deals. So the work scope is very much limited.

3. POWER : Simple punishment to Death penalty can be offered. Trial court presided by min. 5 or max. 9 member in which judgement by majority followed based on jury advised.

4. PROMOTION SCOPE : Join at Lt. and max. can be promoted upto Major General (min. 27yr of service required). Majority get retired at Lt. Colonel or Colonel rank and only best may make for Brigadier & Major General.

5. PAY & ALLOWANCES : Starting salary Rs. 56100 & max. 1.44L (Major General). Allowances paid among Army/Navy/Airforce grades are much higher than any govt. services. If exclude DA (currently 42%), only cash allowances makes around Rs.94k to 1.2L/M.

6. FACILITIES : Mostly you'll be allotted well semi furnished type 5 bungalows (sometime flat accommodation also) from starting. From Brigadier rank fully furnished type 6 bungalows allotted. Independent Car facilities or TA in lieu given from starting.

7. WORK CULUTRE : They also have mixed culture i.e., challenging but interesting. It is a judicial service so free from any political or other pressures and is job in military so definitely no room for laziness or pending works. All rules/ethics/conducts strictly monitored or followed and no mercy on failing or breaching.

8. SECURITY & TRANSFER : Regarding this there is no issue like PCS (J), an adequate number of security given at every level & everywhere. The transfers done anywhere but within armed forces jurisd. include HQs or in central ministries or other places as central govt. deems fit.

STATE JUDICIAL SERVICE [PCS (J)]

1. SELECTION : State level exam, seats are high, candidate b/w 21 to 35yr age can appear & age relaxation + few seats for reserved candidates. No SSC or PC rule applied & posted for fixed age i.e., 60 for district, 62 for HC & 65 for SC. Lateral Entry scheme are there at DJ, HC & SC level. Thus it is Easier than JAG to crack.

2. WORK SCOPE : They have wider areas to deal from criminal, civil to quasi-judicial matters. Even they can initiate proceeding against military personnel's even if civilians not involved on grounds time to time notify by Central Govt. They deals with matters pertains to both State & Central Law in India. Even they can deal any other matters if not expressly or impliedly barred by any Act/notification.

3. POWER : The actual court power is here. Unlike JAG, every JO's have independent court & vested with independent power. No jury or majority rule apply (except in HC/SC). Even death sentence can be passed by single judge (subject to approval of HC). District Court judges have much power than counterpart JAG Grades.

4. PROMOTION SCOPE : joining at Civil Judge (Jr. Divi.) for lower judiciary & ADJ for Higher Judiciary and max. can be promoted upto the post of Chief Justice of India (last post of Indian Judiciary). For HC 1/3rd seats reserved for district judiciary. promotion is easier than JAG as one can reach to the highest post of district judiciary within 15 to 20yr of service (in ADJ within 11 to 16yr).

5. PAY & ALLOWANCES : Civil Judge starting Rs.77840 & ADJ starting Rs. 1.45L/m. So min. 78K & max. 2.8L (CJI). Allowances are nearly at par with All India Service grades but very less than JAG officers. Round figure of cash allowances ranges between Rs.12K to 30K for Civil Judges while Rs. 25K to 70K for DJ ranks.

6. FACILITIES : Type 5 semi furnished flat accommodation provided to every judges of district judiciary except PDJs or Special Judges (in DJ ranks) or CJMs (who get type 6 furnished bungalows). Regarding car except PDJ/ADJ-1/CJMs/Special Judges (in DJ ranks) all are provided either pool car or fuel allowances.

7. WORK CULTURE : Mixed culture, free from all type of pressures or interference. Strictness but less than JAG.

8. SECURITY & TRANSFER : At starting no security provided except PDJs/CJMs/ADJs/ SDJMs/JM (holding special criminal courts) however in many states armed-home guard facilities deployed at judicial accommodations. As per SC order every district court judges shall be transferred on completing 3yr at one place. Transfers mainly within states but deputation varies as may be posted in central ministries or sometime in military departments too.

Conclusion : Except 1-2 factors PCS (J) seems to have better opportunities than JAG. Well both have merit and demerit. it is upon candidates to decide keeping various factors in mind. Whoever want to join & serve for Army/Navy/Airforce but non combat department & deals with legal matters, JAG is for them but if have sole dream to work for pure justice delivery system and eager to be part of judicial system of India then PCS (J) is best option.

HOPE THIS COMPARISON MAY HELP CONSUFED ONES

https://www.barandbench.com/interviews/being-first-designated-senior-nliu-distinction-responsibility-senior-advocate-gaurav-chopra

"While I am a second-generation lawyer, I did not get much time to spend with my father. My first day in court was on the July 1, 2003. My father, unfortunately, passed away on August 8. So, I never got that so-called advantage. The advantage was that I was still the son of a very well-reputed lawyer. So, yes, I inherited an office. But then there was the burden of expectation. That if you do well, it was because you’re somebody’s son and if you didn’t do well, you are a blot on your father etc.

Nepotism is a very exaggerated concept. Ultimately, in this profession, it's your hard work, delivery in court and level of preparation that will determine whether you make it big or not. I believe it would be very unfair for anybody to not give credit to a person who despite belonging to a legal background does well. It has its own shares of ups and downs."

Tell them about the management seats too, don't be shy. It's super easy to get into SLS-P. Don't act like you are studying in some elite and hard to get institution. Every top 8 nlu student could get into SLS-P but they chose not to. Don't go by this year's placements, they used to be pathetic just 2 years back. This year is an exception

Netaji and Patel certainly deserve more coverage than Gandhi. One of them should be the the father of the nation, not Gandhi. Had Netaji survived the plane crash he would have easily defeated Nehru in any general election and been Prime Minister. Also, FYI this is what Gandhi said and did:

- Slept naked with young girls

- Collaborated with Khilafatis

- Denied the Armenian genocide

- Made objectionable remarks about blacks and Jews

- Made anti-scientific remarks

We have had hundreds of such accidents in India. Every time, the reason turns out to be either bad equipment or incompetent staff. So why can't we privatise the railways and allow foreign companies to bid? If Tata or a Japanese or Singaporean company run it, they will infuse it with capital and buy the latest technology. Also, they will hire on merit and train staff well. And there won't be corruption like there is at present.

The Jeffrey Epstein saga has so many dark stories of the rich and poweful list,it's almost unbelievable. Prince Andrew was outed from royalty over connections to this guy.Now the biggest bank in the world is accused of facilitating sex trafficking.. wow!!!!

Jeffrey Epstein was blackmailing the richest guy Bill Gates

Jeffrey Epstein allegedly tried blackmailing Bill Gates over the Microsoft co-founder's extramarital affair

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailyo.in/amp/news/jeffrey-epstein-allegedly-tried-blackmailing-bill-gates-over-the-microsoft-co-founders-extramarital-affair-39804

And looks like the biggest bank in the world was probably helping him

JPMorgan tries to deflect blame for long relationship with Jeffrey
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/06/01/world/crime-legal-world/jpmorgan-long-relationship-with-jeffrey-epstein/

While bank is denying allegations their ex employee is contradicting the CEOEx-JPMorgan exec Jes Staley claims boss Jamie Dimon discussed keeping Jeffrey Epstein as a client even after his sex-crimes arrest- as bank denies the allegation

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12143993/amp/Ex-JPMorgan-exec-Jes-Staley-claims-boss-Jamie-Dimon-discussed-keeping-Jeffrey-Epstein-client.html

If not international arbitration, what would you recommend I pursue as an LLM since I definitely want to move abroad? I already have 3 years of expertise in a disputes team, and I don't want to shift to a transactional practice area.

Europe was my main preference for disputes LLMs, but as you'd mentioned - I've also heard how it's tough to get a job afterwards, and how you have to complete multiple traineeships. So do you have any idea on what to do? And is it really that difficult once you get a job there to ascend the ladder? I also know a few seniors who're going up the ladder in Europe pretty fast (they're practicing investor-state arbitration and trade disputes though).

Hi, could you give a small overview of your profile - i.e. how many years of work experience and was it at a firm or company, extra-curriculars/grades at uni, did you do something alongside work to make your profile more attractive for an MBA?

I'm also curious about an MBA but wanted more details on what an ideal profile looks like. Thanks!

Hi friends. I am at a third year programme at top 3 NLUs. I have done quite a few internships , published well , participated in selective moots. However one thing I have realised is that I don’t want to go into corporate. I want to settle in US for MBA or bar practice.No , I don’t come from a very rich family. However my grades are stellar and I need your help to choose to figure out a pathway based upon following three options.

1. JD accelerated programme at Northwestern University - not the traditional long term JD but Pritzker school of law is known for this program. The university will provide scholarships on three grounds - A) CGPA B)SOP C)Lsat score - one advantage this programme is giving is that straight out of law school I can sit at this programme. They will also start asking transcripts from my 4th year.

2. GMAT- I will be anyway giving the exam next year. I have started taking preparation for it as well. Eyeing the T-15 business schools. My top targets are -Haas , Virginia and Tuck. The M7 is too tough to crack. The gmat score has to be minimum 750 to get into programmes like (Yale SS , Harvard or MIT)

3. LLM - I have shown academic prowess but that’s not enough to get that Ivy League tag. So which US LLMs are job-oriented and on a whole new level of questioning , is the degree worth it over the other two programmes I mentioned?

I know about Hyderabad, as I used to work there. It is true that rest of the offices act like independent firms. Tatva does not even have a single website for all its offices, the website is only for Hyderabad office.

In terms of salaries - what I observed was that for freshers, salaries ranged from anywhere between 25-35k. This year they has been some increase in this. I've heard freshers getting 7 L per annum, but not sure if it's true. At lateral levels, the situation is very different, as there are no set standards for A1, A2, A3. Which results in sometimes A3 earning lesser than A2. For laterals, it boils down to your last drawn retainer.

It's a pools systems there - which kind of feels like a mechanism to deal with shortfall on the real estate p

Are there any good firms (any tier) in Delhi in the white collar crimes/dispute resolution space with manageable work hours (8-10 hours) with a decent pay (50-60K)?

I have multiple health issues which won't let me work for more than 10-12 hours at a stretch in very high paced environments, so I'm not aiming for T1s rn. Any positive suggestions are most welcome.

Believe it or not but there are a few actually good students in amity too. The general reputation of the uni is poor because of certain kinds of students who enroll but like most other colleges, there are extremely bright students who have studied or are studying in amity. I have personally seen some really smart amity students in the legal field and you couldn't guess they were from amity until they tell you. I'm not surprised they have good alumni.