You might want to take the following into consideration -

1. Experiences at well known shops - A M&A/ B&F internship at a T1 will be better placed than one at a T3 firm because.

2. Experiences in your interest area - If you want to strategically align your CV, highlight those parts. But make sure to have atleast one T1 internship in that area.

3. Shared practice areas - Some practices like ECM and B&F can have common skill sets, or shared due diligence work with M&A, for instance. So clubbing the two while highlighting the same shouldn't be an issue.

4. Diversity - An internship experience isn't per se an "experience", as per partners, who consider PQE only to be of any value. So a diverse internship folio helps in explaining a skill/ interest area/ all round development during an interview. Nobody ever will ask you why you chose to pursue several practices in your pre-QE, while the same isn't true of PQE which should be rather focussed because it adds up.

Many of the programmes I've named, except maybe Harvard, offer considerable money to students. NYU's legal theory programme provides a stipend of 25K USD to its students, SPILS at stanford waived off much of the fees for some folks I know. Yale helps any students who are accepted with considerable monies too- one graduate told me almost the entire fees. If you get into the tech law programme at stanford you will get a job in silicon valley. The oxford BCL as well- its difficult to get funding, but most of their graduates seem to have no trouble finding a job. Many of these programmes focus on developing younger academics. So if you want to practice, you need to carefully look at which programme would help you.

1. In your initial year, try finding unknown lawyers from same field as you are intending to pursue in your career, by finding their details from documents like cause list of NCLT, NCLAT, HCs, etc. (dispute oriented advise) and intern there. Make a good bond by not ass licking but showing your eagerness to work and try doing your best. Acknowledge that it was the best you could have done and you are eager to learn more. Ask that unknown lawyer to refer you some details where you can get your next internship.

2. By creating this initial internships, it will be easier for you to get into tier 2 and eventually make it to tier 1 without contacts. solely on your CV, interpersonal skills, no ass licking, eagerness to work.

3. In your college request your professor to co-author a paper with you. Professor will also want to increase publication and you will do the hardwork. professor will guide you so that even "his/her" paper remains good. and your chances of publication on good portal increase. Don't write on UCC or common matters. Rather write on something you want to pursue your career in. Read these journals which publishes these papers, get idea. Use GPT to help you get topic ideas and research structure. Don't write your paper through GPT, editor may be able to smell it from a mile a far, even after humanizing it.

You got good publication - good internship.

4. Improve your English. Converse with your friends in english and if you are able to make such friends who prefer english to converse, that will be great as well. It will help in closing such interviews.

5. 2-3 inter-colleges moots are sufficient.

6. International moots will be cherry on top.

7. Be in good books with every one in your college. Share your notes and help each other. Don't let competitiveness or jealousy take over. In long run, your friends can at least push your CV if not the HR.

8. Once a senior told me that one should never judge their colleagues for their performances in academics. After college, toppers sometime remains jobless and backbencher takes tier 1 placement.

Depends on several factors honestly

I will list pros and cons of both - you decide which you wanna pick on the basis of that

NLUJ

Pros

- Better alumni base especially in law firms and litigation than GNLU

- historically better quality of students than GNLU

- best in the country for moots and adrs

- top notch corporate placements - more than 90% are placed in tier 1 firms

- best for vacation schemes and job offers by foreign magic circle firms

- great sports culture - probably the best NLU in sports in the country

- Campus life is great - vibrant green campus with lots of parties if that’s what you want

- Has great journals

- Grabs the top notch corporate internships for 3rd/4th year students

- is on the rising trend again since last year after having not so good 2-3 years before that

- great if you wanna end up in litigation as the alumni network for litigation is great

- great for judiciary too

- batch sizes comparatively smaller so easier to build your identity in college (college overall has only 900-1000 students) which means practically everyone knows each other at least on some level

- hosts the best cultural and sports fests in the country respectively (NH-65 and Yuvardha)

Cons

- academic pressure is higher comparatively even though it has been eased recently, it still is comparatively high

- infrastructure wise not that great (above average) - though it is getting better with efforts of the admin

- practically no UPSC culture

- Jodhpur as a city has a disadvantage in terms of opportunities

GNLU

- is on the rising trend, especially with law firms opening up their branches in Gandhinagar

- Campus infrastructure is better than NLUJ

- Sports culture also great - almost at par with NLUJ

- academic pressure is not that high and attendance is also a bit more flexible than NLUJ

- Mooting culture is decent, no ADR culture at all

- campus life is fairly decent- no crazy parties like NLUJ though since Gujarat is dry state

- great UPSC culture

- better LLM culture as well (for students who wanna pursue it after graduating from GNLU)

Cons

- GNLU is a little too much gujarati dominating(great for you if you are gujarati) while NLUJ has students from all corners of india

- the campus is just a concrete jungle with very less greenery

- batch size is too large so you will be just one person in the crowd

- gets fewer vacation scheme and training contract offers from magic circle firms compared to NLUJ

- Indian law firms wise proportionately it is the same, though there is higher proportion of boutique firms instead of tier 1 compared to NLUJ

- fests are average

- Mooting and ADR far less superior than NLUJ

At the end it depends on what is more important to you, if you are a Gujarati, tell GNLU without blink of an eye - if you are from other parts, i would suggest NLUJ

Not, OP but I can tell you. I actually read the abstract to understand why it is important, which I am sure you did not.

When I say 'sit your curry ass down' to win an argument, you need to study why 'curry smell' is a derogatory word and how it has been used to entrench power. Let me even tell you its relevance in law: criminal sentencing, prejudice and the like. Judges, and to a larger extent police, many times, rely on appearance (and smell) for subconscious culpability (and this is well-researched). Bringing to light underlying biases helps improve society, and in fact, your life. Smell, as she also points out, was also an important factor in the civilizing mission of colonization, used to justify, e.g., why Indians are savages and need the British to civilize these backward people. The politics of smell is extremely important precisely because it seems banal and yes is a critical tool for projecting power hierarchies. The entirety of the Western World used it, including to undermine Mahatma Gandhi and other important Indian political figures during calls for decolonization. That power dynamic carries on today, as she demonstrates.

And yes, that is why, I agree with the OP that Indian academia is generally screwed. In any case, Indian academia does not care right? Which is why Cambridge took this PhD, not IIM-A, which is great, but may I also know which great scientific invention has been coming out of India with this pissing match between STEM and other disciplines?

https://www.calcuttahighcourt.gov.in/Notice-Files/general-notice/12807

1. Vipul Kundalia, NLSIU 1994 --- First-gen lawyer. Unusually for an NLISU grad, started at the trial courts and built up a practice there first. Interview of him here (in Bengali):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYbMR8RLjVU

2. Phiroze Edulji, NLSIU 1997 -- First generation Parsi lawyer specialising in criminal law. A rare right-wing NLSIU grad (officer-bearer of the Vishwa Hindu Parishad). In the news for some explosive arguments in the RG Kar case, where he brought loopholes missed by top lawyers and stunned the court.

https://parsikhabar.net/politics/phiroze-edulji-becomes-vhp-v-p-for-south-bengal-to-ensure-protection-of-sanatan-dharma-hindus/24538/

3. Deep Kabir, NUJS 2007 -- son of former CJI Altmas Kabir. Evidently among the youngest-ever lawyers to be elevated by the Calcutta High Court, which is very conservative. Had been the subject of some controversy many years ago, when his father was CJI.

https://www.newindianexpress.com/states/tamil-nadu/2011/Aug/09/hefty-pay-of-an-pleaders-assistant-draws-flak-279836.html

I’m honestly exhausted from all the conversations about toxicity in law firms—whether it’s about working with senior associates, principal associates, partners, or peers. Let’s face it: succeeding in a law firm requires a certain degree of resilience, adaptability, and perhaps even a bit of eccentricity. If it doesn’t work out, that’s perfectly okay. There are other opportunities out there. Law firms aren’t for everyone, and that’s completely fine—I’ve realized they’re not for me.

Firms give you around four years as an associate before you transition to the senior associate level. That period is there for a reason amongst others: to help you decide if law firm life is truly what you want in the long term. It’s a chance to evaluate whether it aligns with your career aspirations and personal goals.

If one firm isn’t working for you, it’s absolutely okay to explore other firms or teams. There are always opportunities, and with time, you’ll find a better fit. But if the work environment is toxic and there’s no improvement, accept it for what it is and move on. It’s not your responsibility as an associate to fix a firm’s culture, nor do you have the power to do so. Focus on finding a place where you can grow, thrive, and feel valued.

From my own experience, I spent nearly three years in a tier-1 law firm. It didn’t work out, and I realized that firm life wasn’t for me. I transitioned to a start-up as an in-house counsel. Sure, the 30% tax bracket and the lack of job security (an often overlooked advantage of law firms) are downsides, but I’m happier for it. Life is now calmer, and I experience significantly less anxiety—a trade-off I’m glad I made.

Saving at least 20k- I am A0, I save around 50-60K Per month.

Foreign trips- depends on person to person, if they have responsibilities, they would avoid initially, but manageable.

Female attention - gold digger types? Yes, otherwise rarely.

Respect in society - nil, nobody cares about your job. In my case, everytime I visit home, my mom asks me when are you leaving this job to appear for judiciary exams.

Major cases- depends. If it's a big transaction, yes. If it's a big case, then you are just a research assistant and don't get to argue and that part is done by senior advocate's office. Usually T1 peeps don't argue big matters by themselves.

Nice office- varies from T1 to T1.

And trust me, if you remove the money factor or if litigation starts to pay like T1s or even T2s, more than half of these shops would be empty in no time.

CMS is in discussions with IndusLaw, which began around three and a half months ago, sources have told Law.com International.

According to one source, CMS has had several tie-up discussions with other Indian firms over the past 12 months.

CMS already has an India desk headed out of London by corporate partner Babita Ambikar, whojoined the firm in 2020 from the now-defunct Singapore office of DWF, where she was partner and head of the firm's India practice.

On entry, CMS will become the second international firm to establish a presence in India.

In 2022, Dentons announced a cooperation agreement with Indian law firm, Link Legal, becoming the first international law firm to have such an agreement with a domestic Indian practice.

Months later, the Bar Council of India (BCI) separately announced that it will take steps to liberalize its legal market. While rules to do so are still largely unclear, lawyers say, BCI further announced in June plans to implement amended regulations governing the entry of U.K. lawyers and law firms to the Indian legal market.

A CMS spokesperson said in a statement: "CMS has a long history of working with Indian businesses through our CMS India Group and has strong ties to the Indian legal community. India is a key growth market for us, and we remain open to exploring opportunities in the region. However, we have no updates to share at this time."

Founding partner IndusLaw, Avimukt Dar, said: "IndusLaw has built strong connections with many foreign and international firms over a period spanning a couple of decades. Following the developments over the last two years, and the news that foreign law firms will enter India, we think that the Indian law firm space is set for some interesting developments.

"IndusLaw is watching the space and working on its strategy to address this sector defining event. At this point in time IndusLaw will not comment on any rumours or speculation and will continue to focus on excelling at the work it does for its many clients both in India and abroad."

Source: https://www.law.com/international-edition/2024/10/28/cms-in-tie-up-talks-with-indian-law-firm/

I know for a fact that associates, especially S.A’s and P.A’s are dealing with very real stuff. Divorces, burn out, lack of career growth, inability to get on partner track and the tunnel syndrome it brings. None of that is ever discussed.

All I see on LI is law school students ready to ridicule anything and anyone. And I get it - a 19 year old kid is the cockiest in the room. Life REALLY HUMBLES you down a couple of years in the profession.

I just feel that associates A2 onwards have stopped considering this platform as even remotely a safe space. Trolling kar kar ke you kids will also miss out on genuine advice we can give.

Hi

I am extremely sorry to hear about your experience .! incase you have the option of dropping in a resignation please do so

If the document is non enforceable you can quit the law firm asap

But incase you are a independent woman you can find alternatives in legal field incase you have good academics you can teach class XI AND XII kids it won’t pay you much but can help you manage daily finances

Stay strong keep going and prayers for you and I hope you work with good souls who teach you and your mental health remains sane

You have to remember that any kind of university education is, at the end of the day, a means to an end, and not an end in and of itself, unless you mean to retire, in which case it can be. Therefore, assuming you don't want this graduate level education purely for the aesthetic pleasure of learning new things prior to retirement, one must ask: what are your goals in the short, medium and long term?

Gen Y uncle here. I think (know for a fact) its perfectly cool to (1) ask intern for help on a Saturday. I know the power dynamics argument - that she will not say no to me. But guess what, I had work, which required an intern to pull through, and couple of them did, with out whining like you. They will get credit for it, ofc. (2) its ok to speak rudely when its warranted. This one intern literally pulled a 'tumko malum hai mai kiska beta' on office staff who asked him to not speak loudly everyday. Guess what I did? Ask around - it got famous. And I will do it again. No one walks over my staff. Period. (3) this memes thing is pretty specific. Plus I dont have that kind of connect with my interns yet. But I will meme, so long as the intern is cool with it, and maintain professional boundaries, otherwise it will make my office a very boring place. (4) Not sure what gendered language means, but I am fairly certain I am doing it within the team. We are very close, work 10-12 hours together every day, and share stuff. (5) I dont even want to get started on jokes - you will be horrified by the sick jokes we do in team. Lets just say - 'langde ko langda nai to kya andha bolenge' does not even qualifies.

You son seem to have been hurt. Please complain about it. My whole rant was about it - no one should be scared of anyone and feel free to speak their mind.

There is certainly a small subset of lawyers in India who constantly face questions like: (a) is there a better alternative to law firms, (b) is in-house the answer or (c) is the struggle, stress, uncertainty, limited time with family, poor mental and physical health, long hours – so inherent to being a lawyer that it is almost unescapable. I don’t know if everyone faces such questions.

So, how does one answer them?

What is so really wrong with law firms? People who have never been in one – the outsiders often fail to understand it. Swanky offices, excellent salary, a flex that you feel after you say that you work at tier 1 or with some of the most recognisable clients (know that it’s probably people in the legal circle who understand the flex about tier-1s). You have everything you need then right?

The reality of working in law firms is a bit different. To start with, your bosses (and clients) inspire and speed up work by repeatedly projecting a sense of urgency or rather immediacy of any and every deliverable. This is a highly unprofessional and unplanned way of working. For people who are immediately responsible for executing the work – the associates, this is a constant source of worry. See, ultimately, the work gets done – but people in higher positions often like to believe that getting work done is not possible without a little intimidation and jump scares. Sometimes the sense of urgency and deadlines is communicated rather politely, but in a way that leaves a little scope for negotiation – with those involved in the execution of the work having no way of planning their day or life. At best, you can offset one work stream by saying that you are over-stretched in five others that you are handling. But in most cases, over-stretched you will be.

Probably it is the reason why law firms are efficient. In any top team at a law firm, missing a deadline communicated to a client is as rare as seeing a real unicorn. Even if the deadline may be inherently unreasonable or even if associates have to spend 22 hours a day.

True, there are times when clients are unreasonable. And there is a systemic problem that lawyers as service providers are never able to professionally demand decent working conditions. It’s true that some client’s are fickle and will take asking for more time as an affront and probably take their business elsewhere. But some clients are reasonable – if explained why something will take longer. They may agree to split the work – so you might still have to give something on the deadline, but it will be lower pressure deliverable overall. Also, you would have set expectations with them for the future. It is a risk – but partners who can risk to do such things – should do it. Many won’t – a lot of partners take pride in projecting an image of invincibility – and frankly that is an attribute that people want to feel in their lawyers – even if behind this façade everything is crumbling. So there are no easy solutions here for those doing the grunt work.

Also, yes, there are periods when work is tough – client is demanding and there is a lot of uncertainty. But if that becomes the case all the time, then it’s a system issue – a feature and not a bug of law firm as a workplace.

The other problem is that law firms have little to no avenues of rest and recovery. Even armies have R&R programs. Not law firms. Talk to a busy law firm associate – and you will see a helplessness in their eyes about the often endless stream of work. There are times when work is less – but because, work can come in anytime and there is hardly any planning in law firms on how to process an incoming assignment and little attempt to give certainty to anyone. In fact these ‘down’ periods turn into periods of greater anxiety – and you can never plan a leave around them. That said, some partners do have ways of delegating work that is efficient and ensures ‘optimal utilisation’. But as there is no ‘system’ – things can fall apart very quickly when multiple work streams come in. And there is of course no concept of ‘refusing’ work to clients – when there is no capacity – the quality of work, and life of associates be damned. Also, some teams do have holiday rosters and an unspoken rule to not disturb those on leave. But these are team specific things – when in fact they should be enforced at highest levels of the firm and applied equally to everyone.

A final problem is law firms don’t know how to communicate things internally. Exhortations (even firm wide) to work harder are not uncommon. They feel like impositions – particularly to those who are actually pulling their weight. Try reading your firm’s internal employee well being policies at times (like the leave policy with 40 days of leave). For one – everything in these policies is ‘subject to work exigencies’ – which is astonishing. It’s like every resource in a law firm is so unique and irreplaceable, that if needed, they and only they can execute. Shouldn’t the policy say something like – if you have a planned leave – make sure that you assign your matters to someone else and communicate this internally and externally. If every employee benefit is subject to ‘exigencies’ – then what’s even the point of these policies. And most partners have little say in how their firm manages employee benefits.

Law firms become undesirable places to work after a while because they don’t solve some very fundamental things that make a workplace sustainable – a desire to solve for certainty and visibility of workflows, better client expectation management and real and effective R&R programs. These are very basic things. And frankly without it’s unclear if they will ever be able to solve such issues. To all the 'incoming associates' – buckle up, this is what you are in for.

My 2 cents, it’s not like project finance, B&F or gen-corp are that different from capital markets. There’s always an element of drudgery to the whole due diligence process.

A huge selling point for capital markets is that it is very client-facing at an early stage of your career during kickoff meetings. Apart from that, you culminate an understanding of businesses and industries in and out, as a result of all the documents you diligence. Lastly, and this might not align with what most people say about cap marks, but there is immense potential for cap marks lawyers to move in-house to start-ups that are planning on going public.

While I understand that the ICDR is the end-all-be-all for cap markets lawyers, it’s not as if the field has zero prospects or advantages whatsoever. Stick with it for a year, and you being able to switch to another team should depend entirely on how you sell yourself.

I am an RP at a T1 firm (M&A/PE). Have started bringing in clients. Fairly confident to make equity (good sizable equity) in next 5/7 years. Had batch rank of 90 something in a batch of 160. Graduated in 2013 from a low(est) rung NLU. Didnt know jack about M&A / PE (didnt even know what the abbreviations meant).

My (not so secret) secret: Just keep at it. Send a shit ton of cold emails, cold calls, etc. Some T20/30 firm will take you in - go from there. It all goes in one direction, upwards. Never too late to start working hard :)

Five years ago, I was an underconfident kid who had just entered a national law school. The onset of COVID-19 only made things more tough. Feeling lost, I turned to LI for advice and there were so many helpful comments. So many kind strangers offered their support and I found myself returning to the LI post to feel better whenever I felt lost.

Today, I am incredibly grateful. I've landed a job where I’m valued, and I genuinely enjoy the work. I think I’m doing okay in life.

So please, please do not forget: it gets better and you will find your place in the world.

P.s: this is not an LI sponsored post :p

Had these same feelings exactly a year ago. But my seniors told this the best phase of your life, and I realised it now. Do whatever shit you want to do in college and don't worry about anything now.

Regarding grades, just be attentive in class and study a week before exams. You will score well.

Regarding making the cut, I too used to think the same thing and then I made a rule for myself that I would sit in Library for 10 hours a week. During these 10 hours I used to brush my knowledge, revise what I already know, updates, articles etc. I also used to help moot teams, my friends who had interviews etc, and did a lot of committee work. This helped me not to become lazy because once you become lazy it's tough to get out of there.

Cheers! Enjoy your final year, this time will never return and you will miss this a lot.

-An A0

They do not have a PR team!!! you can easily end up with a corporate Job if you join and perform decently, Most of the T1 firms that come for recruitment send alums and that is why you will see, they have a decent placement record. For Ex - CAM sent RC this year and there are around 12+ offers, Trilegal did not go to many places but YS heads corp practice north, so it took one call. overall the biggest advantage is the big alumni base. People say it is degrading which is somewhat fair because they do not get funds from the state govt, so no PR, few guest lectures, and no good visiting faculty, and Professors are not research-oriented. The batches are fairly competitive so enough stimulation for an individual to excel.

Very reasonable question, u will be trying to find answers to the question even after you get placed. You will realise that there are only 2 real justifications

1. Students act on emails quicker

2. As they are batchmates, there is inherent jealousy, and nobody is able to use backdoor tricks (apart from dayz, where monitoring gets weak and a lot of informal communications are made). It is usually beyond their aukaat to benefit/harm you, but the issue is the information monopoly.

NLUs being govt insts they dont have a competent team to take care of these

Once you go theough the placement process, regardless of it being a ppo, you will find out that dealing with the recruitment committee is the singularly most degrading and humiliating experience in life.

Soln: be likeable and get elected to the RCC. Not very difficult since 10 people are usually in it.

Fantastic decision, because the real intent is to cash in on the entry of UK law firms.

As far as the quality of the exam goes, LSAT India was a different exam than the LSAT US and had an image of being easy. It just had objective questions. On the other hand, the LNAT UK exam is that same for its Indian test centres and is a much tougher and better exam than LSAT India (and a million times better than the CLAT).

Hi everyone! We are noticing an increment of inaccurate information, especially after the initiation of day zeroes across several tier-1 national law universities. Kindly stop spreading inaccurate facts and figures. We noticed this discrepancy especially on certain threads related to WBNUJS and NLIU BHOPAL. The actual figures aren’t out yet. You can speculate, but bringing down a certain institution’s name by spamming false figures is seriously damaging. As far as the word goes, each and every tier-1 nlu including the above two mentioned are actively placing students. If there are certain issues you guys wanna talk about, do deliberate. LI encourages discussion, but not through misinformation! Regards.

Hey all, hope you are doing well.

Before I start, I want to clarify that this is not to offend any student from any of the law institutes(Nlus or others) but rather a question I find myself asking as a first year student at a top 10 nlu. I was checking the placement reports of my institute and others also, and despite it being top 10 of country in placements, most probably, the reports are concerning. Only 10-20% of batch gets decent placements and 5-10% more in any job they can get. The condition is even worse in rest of lower NLUs with not even 5% of batch getting decent jobs. The 2024 placement reports of tier 1s are great though, I know not the best but good enough to consider law as a career and clat as an exam. Before proceeding further, I want to clarify that I am retaking clat with very good chances of getting a good tier 1 this time so it's not really for me entirely( "entirely" because I know a small percentage of even top nlus face this problem) and maybe it's worth mentioning also, to not attract criticism, that I like studying law but that's very very unrelated to this post. Now, especially for first generation lawyers, I wonder what the rest of batch at these NLUs or other law institutes do? I know judiciary, litigation, academia are the other options available in law aside from non law-related fields like upsc, mba or even startup. At most, 30-40% of any nlu's batch on average would be truly interested in these options( as in getting job was not in their priority at all, uninfluenced by their chances of getting one ). That leaves us with more than half the batch unplaced in top t2 nlus or jgls or slsp and even significantly more so in rest of lower NLUs and other law colleges. Now I will first talk about rest of career options and then people who only want jobs right out of college because of various reasons, many of which are not by choice. Firstly, in litigation, it's extremely tough to succeed without connections and same goes for getting promoted in judiciary field, the selection rate of which through pcs and later hjs exam is again extremely low. Then academia, that's a good option for people who want to continue their studies, research and teach later on but it's a option not taken by the most, and reasonably so in a country like India. Then there is upsc and mba left, which is open for everyone so the point of preparing for clat and then dedicating 5 years in law college, which can be gruelling, does not seem really attractive. Finally, I will conclude this post with the main question, that is, the people who want jobs but could not get decent placements( majority of t2 nlus and all of t3 nlus and other law schools), what do they do? Go for the other options mentioned above even if they don't want it and even though it's not really lucrative? Or is there a good way I have not become aware of yet that makes them not regret their law choice( a bold and exaggerated statement I know but just take the sense behind it ).

Thank you

Hi, I am as much as a well wisher of NLIU as you are. One thing about NLIU peeps I admire on LI is the fact that we go about our business, without posts over exaggerating what we do. The list provided above is from the message the Placement committee sent to all 5th Year students on Monday morning. If you would like further verification of this data, let me provide you some tidbits that you can confirm with your juniors:

a. The partners who turned up from CAM were both ex NLIU with the initials RC and BJ

b. SAM interviews were very technical

c. AZB, Saraf and Trilegal had GDs before shortlisting folks for the interviews

d. The Saraf partners were extremely rude and dismissive of answers to questions (this seems to be common across other institutes)

e. LKS interviewed for both IDT and Corporate Law, but only shortlisted students interested in IDT

he didnt get rhodes because of MP singh. MP singh supported him because he was a rhodes scholar who actually came back to work and teach in the country ( a rare thing) and was being stiffed on salary by then NLS VC. You know nothing about any of this history except for what youve read by half informed idiots on this message board. Literally what MP singh did he did because it would benefit NUJS - not because sudhir was his chamcha and needed a job.

By the way, you shouldn't be asking this stuff on Legally India. Please do your research, the sections of the Immigration Rules that the decisionmaker uses to evaluate your visa application (along with guidance) is literally available online. Considering you are asking on Legally India, you clearly need to be spoonfed, so here goes:

Immigration Rules, Appendix Student (see ST 12.3.): https://www.gov.uk/guidance/immigration-rules/appendix-student#content

Financial Requirements guidance: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/financial-evidence-for-student-and-child-student-route-applicants#content

What is effectively (in this context) a statutory 'explanatory notes' guide for UKVI caseworkers/decisionmakers for Appendix Student (covers Child Student as well, ignore those parts): https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/points-based-system-student-route/student-and-child-student-accessible#content

You are much better off looking at these verified sources of information than exposing yourself to the chance of potentially being mislead by trolls. The fact that you didn't/couldn't find/figure this out yourself should concern you far more, however. Spoonfeeding won't work forever.

This is not a PR post. This is an incredible achievement. All hail GNLU!

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/gnlucra_we-are-pleased-to-announce-that-the-batch-activity-7226181000827965440-109w?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android

1. Moots point: My response to this would be "not necessarily". Mostly I would agree, though, they aren't all that important, unless it’s something big, and you can spin it out well enough in your application to demonstrate how it has helped you achieve the qualities and attributes your chosen firm is looking for.

2. Prep: In the UK, they always talk of this skill called 'commercial awareness' (an understanding of a market, and how a law firm, as a business, operates within a market, and how it is impacted by various things—local and international events). Law Careers Net have this excellent thing they call the PESTLE analysis technique - look it up if you don't know it already. Read newspapers like the FT and more generalist newspapers like The London Times which has a specific section reporting on law-related matters. There's this guy at Bakers who's got a good list of commercial awareness podcasts:

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/commercial-awareness-podcasts-oliver-chinyere/

That LinkedIn post/article also contains advice for one good approach to developing commercial awareness. Might be worth looking into emulating that.

Naturally, make sure you can talk about your chosen firm's work in your sleep.

If you want a book to read, this is a good option: All You Need to Know About The City - Christopher Stokes.

Hope this is somewhat helpful.

Your argument suffers from a key flaw. The boxer in this case is not a male, but a biologically born female, albeit with a high testosterone level. You don't get to decide who a female is, the law does. She has passed that law and hence has been allowed to compete. Whether you or other people consider her as male does not really matter. Just like it would not have mattered had she identified as a female despite being pronounced as a male under the existing law.

Any success in getting an offer from a foreign firm is the product of a long term process and ecosystem. You need to gain a different perspective, do readings beyond your exam prep, practise speaking confidently and making logical and coherent arguments in a persuasive fashion. Grooming skills also help. The curriculum also plays a small role, as does exposure. It is not that NLIU students are less intelligent, but the institution so far has not taken any definitive step towards any of these, be it the student body, faculty or admin. In the NLUs where such firms make such offers, one or more of these (always the students for sure) have come forth with such initiative.

Been in this dilemma for long, which nlu to choose? Which one will be the best for me by the time I graduate around 2029? Mod please mark this featured as I need to make a decision asap. Conditions being: -

1. Aspirations for foreign placements

2. Possibility of getting good LLM scholarships

3. Good domestic placements

From NDTV:

Indian sprinter Dutee Chand, who has been at the centre of a similar row in the past, has shared her perspective on the controversy.

"In 2014, I challenged the IOC's rule that a person with a higher testosterone level should not participate in the Court of Arbitration for Sport in Switzerland. It was noted that hormonal levels cannot increase athletic performance. I suffered a lot at that time. I faced a lot of controversy regarding my gender." Dutee Chand told PTI.

"Yesterday, during the Olympic match, (Angela) Carini gave up and now she is complaining about the Algerian boxer because of high testosterone levels. When you play in the Olympics, you undergo several tests. I don't think it is right to create controversy about this social media." she added.

https://sports.ndtv.com/olympics-2024/faced-controversy-regarding-my-gender-indias-dutee-chand-reacts-to-olympics-boxing-controversy-6247298#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

Hello friends. Let us remember that we went to law school and not medical school, and should not be talking about issues like this with such conviction when we don’t have the expertise to do so. Reading a few sensational articles, or even a couple of research papers on the topic, will not equip you with the nuanced knowledge needed to comment on something so complicated as the human body :)

Anyone know what's the guaranteed minumum salary? This thread claims it's fixed? https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/382152-just-in-sam-bumps-fresher-pay-to-20-lpa

Press release:

Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas & Co. Unveils Enhanced Compensation and Benefits Program – Redefining the Firm Value Proposition

New Delhi, August 1, 2024: Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas & Co., India’s pre-eminent law firm, is proud to announce a significant enhancement to its compensation and benefits program, reflecting its commitment to attracting, retaining, and nurturing the best legal talent in India. This market leading revamp underscores the Firm's dedication to ensuring that its top members benefit not only from the best in class work but are also rewarded handsomely, while recognizing the importance of building a support system to fuel both professional and personal well-being.

Key Highlights of the Enhanced Compensation and Benefits Program:

- Entry level associate compensation (A0) has been revised to up to INR 20 lakhs.

- All other Associate and Salaried Partner compensation has been revised based on holistic performance evaluation, taking into consideration efficiency-based performance.

- The Firm will continue with its existing unparalleled and objective variable compensation policy of up to 200% including taking into consideration efficiency-based performance for determining the eligible variable compensation component.

- Introduction of new people centric policies - work from anywhere (2 weeks annually), caregiver leave (up to 3 weeks), paternity leave (increased to 3 weeks), additional childcare leave, health check-ups and sabbatical policies for associates and partners.

Increased focus on well-being and professional development programs:

Well-being has been a core mission at our Firm, having been the first Indian law firm to have mainstreamed the conversation on mental health at the workplace and introduce free counselling for all members of the firm and their families with the help of professional agencies (like AMAHA) engaged by the firm. We are pleased to announce further improvements to our well-being and professional development programs as well, as below

- Annual Rejuvenation Break between Christmas and New Year (25 December to 1 January (both days inclusive))

- Formal recognition of Mental Health Days

- On-site physiotherapy services

- Introduction of a new Workplace Anti-Harassment Code

- Mentorship and coaching support

Execuive Chairman, Dr. Shardul S. Shroff, said, “With today’s announcement, our firm is forging a renewed path. Our people are the cornerstone of our success and we seek to enable them to thrive in their wholeness, professionally and personally with our new firm value proposition. The enhancements to our compensation and benefits program are focused on attracting, rewarding and retaining top talent while fostering a culture of excellence, collegiality and meritocracy. I am confident that these changes makes us the most progressive, inclusive, holistically balanced and preferred employer in the legal arena in the India.”

Shardul Amarchand Mangaldas & Co continues to lead in providing top-tier legal services across various sectors, including corporate, litigation, real estate, intellectual property, and more. The Firm’s dedication to client service, legal innovation, and professional development remains at the core of its success.

everyone feels like a loser sometimes. My linkedin and insta might inspire envy. I did TI school, fancy llm, fancy job thing. But I know that my parents hate each other. that most of my classmates disliked me, that my friends all leave and that finding a partner is impossible- because no one likes me and even if someone does- I dont like them. I know that ive had hundreds of rejections. I know that even after being established in career that im basically always feeling like an imposter. I worry about being found out and exposed. I know that im over weight and awkward and have bad skin.

The thing is- these feelings arent actually important. However much we might feel them. It actually doesnt matter if we're losers. It only matters if we go out everyday and try and do better and try and be of use to other people. thats the whole damn game.

The link: - https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/recruitment-tracker/rectracker-cyril-amarchand-mangaldas-hires-114-freshers-from-2024-batch-find-out-how-much-they-pay

Breakup of offers: -

1. GNLU: - 18

2. NLS: - 12

3. JGLS: - 11

4. NUJS: - 11

5. NALSAR: - 10

6. GLC: - 10

7. NLIU Bhopal: - 5

8. NLUD: - 3

9. NLUJ: - 3

Other law schools: - 30

Not a single tier-2 nlu made the cut.

CS needs commercial knowledge for understanding the law but lawyers don't have it.

A CS shall not approve an audited financial statement unless he understands what the CA guy has done. If he does then penalty will be charged on the company including him as he is a officer in default.

Corporate governance needs wealth maximisation of a firm so that the share holders are happy. A CS shall take care of CG that includes financial management. No lawyer can do financial management.

Sale of goods or transfer of property shall be passed in the general meeting for share holders approval. If a CS simply pass it without the knowledge of TPA act or registration act then the company will be in trouble.

So a CS shall have a legal knowledge in all field plus accounting knowledge like CA because when a CA does any mistake the whole burden comes on CS head. And if a lawyer makes a mistake again CS is responsible.

That is the reason the ICSI is making all the candidate to fail so that the cream of passed out shall know their responsibility.

https://www.businessinsider.in/politics/world/news/biden-tapping-kamala-harris-to-be-his-vp-means-the-democratic-ticket-does-not-have-an-ivy-league-grad-for-the-first-time-since-1984/articleshow/77495038.cms

"Biden went to the University of Delaware for undergrad, before going to law school at Syracuse University. Harris went to Howard University in Washington, DC, for undergrad before earning a law degree from the University of California, Hastings."

Current rank of Syracuse Law: 122

Current rank of UC Hastings Law: 82

5th year at NLU J here. I've personally scene the situation get so much better since when we entered college. Obviously, there are about 10-15 odd people in each batch who get an ego trip/validation out of making juniors do demeaning stuff and I'm absolutely against that. The only issue is that this post paints a very gloomy picture of the college that is absolutely not true. It's easy to avoid such people (as I did) and no, no one just leaves you because you chose your self respect over silly fun.

Earlier, their used to be an institutionalised form of ragging too and the 2025 batch made sure that these things do not continue.

Hi, Kerala Judicial Service exam has a language paper. However, it is translation from Malayalam to English. If u are able to read the language, you will be able to manage. However, while in service it would be difficult for you, if you are not fluent in Malayalam, since many documents locally will be written in the local language.

Apart from that, in terms of competition, it is less compared to other states since only around 2-3k people write the exam every year and they mostly they conduct it every year. However in 2024 the vacancies were very less, only 7 seats. But this is not the general case, usually 20-30 vacancies are there minimum every year, if you prepare well, its not a difficult exam to crack.

For preparation its is very state specific, bare acts + case laws would be sufficient. However, most people who clear take coaching locally, based in Trivandrum and Kochi. Its optional based on your level of legal knowledge. Hope this helps.

Best of luck with your internship. Be proactive, interested in the law and in research, question a lot but not for the sake of questioning or showing off but genuine understanding. It's okay to get things wrong so don't worry about making good faith mistakes. Most importantly, be kind to the staff and to your associates and treat everyone with dignity. It's a small team with a strong culture and they value preserving that culture above all else... If you fit in, you'll love it. If you're not a fit, don't take it to heart.

GK- Drishti IAS Monthly Compendiums

Logical Reasoning- GMAT Logical Reasoning Bible

Legal Reasoning- Ratanlal and Dhirajlala on Torts, Mulla on Contracts. Read NLSIR, NUJSLR, ILR, and other Oxford Journals. It's fine if you don't catch the nuances.

English- Read fiction to your heart's content.

Quant- Your usual coaching material should be enough.

Adding my 2 cents here, as an LLM student in the US.

1. LLMs in the US are expensive with little to no financial aid in the top universities, especially for the commercial / private sector.

2. The barriers to entry for a JD are high (LSAT and interviews require intense preparation).

Even then, the JD is 3 times the cost of an LLM, and after paying close to 50% taxes abroad, it may take you 3-4 years at a very high paying job to pay it off. The JD remains unpopular for these reasons.

3. LLMs are not intended for people to seek employment in the US. Most colleges state that the program expects that people will return to their home country. However, what it does allow you is an opportunity to network, explore opportunities and convert it into a job if you can hustle enough. You wont benefit from college placements, but it’s similar to how folks choose GLC for access to courts + law firms + corporates in Mumbai. The college will provide you with some resources, but no guarantees.

4. Corporate folks have an easier pathway after a few years of experience, because the work is largely similar. You do diligence and circulate call notes in Mumbai, you do diligence and update trackers in NY. But you get hired based on your demonstrable ability (ie work experience).

5. PQE can be a myth, but volatility of the US job market is not. US law firms continuously review their profitability; layoffs and hiring freezing are common when business slows, which it does every 1-2 years. Those high salaries exist for a reason.

6. Immigration laws are not on our side. International students have to get lucky in the H1B lottery. If you don’t clear it, you leave the country in 6 months or less. The application can be filed only by employers, so there is an inherent risk in hiring a person who may have to quit in under 1 year . Unlike techies and doctors (and STEM folks) the US doesn’t have a shortage of lawyers (least of all foreign qualified ones!)

7. US law firms are exploitative in different ways - working hours can be roughly the same, often more than T1 firms (unless the T1 team has a culture of 12 hrs/day through the year). In India you get reprimanded for inefficiency or low hours or you lose bonus, in the US you get laid off. No gain without pain!

That being said, plenty of Indians manage to do it every year, you just have to be very goal oriented about it.

KCO has finally hikes the A0 pay to 18 lakhs.

https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/recruitment-tracker/rectracker-this-law-firm-hired-61-freshers-and-offered-around-18-lakh-per-annum-as-starting-package

KCO also released their hiring breakdown, GNLU is leading the pack with 10 offers. Followed by NUJS and JGLS.

Good times for GNLU ahead.

Compensation for 2024 batch - 16L
for 2025 batch - 18L

Parity across Delhi and Mumbai

2024 Hirings as under:

SLSP - 7
OPJ - 5

NALSAR - 3

GNLU - 2

NLIU - 1

WBNUJS - 1

DSNLU -1

DNLU - 1

Argus is now pretty lucrative for the 2025 batch

Professor Srinivas Burra of South Asian University (for India); Marco Sassoli of Geneva Academy, Dapo Akande of Oxford, Oschar D Schutter; Nehal Bhuta; Neha Jain; Antonio Cassese; William Schabas; Paola Geata; Andrew Clapman; A Bianchi; AP Rubin, Prof Baxi.

I can also list worst IHL Professors in India as well.

C&M pays 6-7L

Axiom pays 12L+

C&M has more matters in terms of variety and quality. Since it's quite established, the matters keeps on coming.

Axiom5 runs based on reputation of Samir and Rahul. Both are legends.

The thing is if you switch from c&m to any T1 after a year, you'd still be considered as A0 unless you're quite good. But if you switch from Axiom, you'll be A1 (fair chances).

Obviously A1 is paid more than A0.

Both are terrific firms but reputation wise, Axiom is better. If you are someone to whom reputation doesn't matter as much, go for c&m. I'd go for c&m bcz for A0, the ground work is of PA Level of T1, responsibility is of SA level, you get access to all documents, you are fully involved in the matter, and learning exposure is unparalleled. I would switch to T1 after 3 yrs. I'd have learned so much tht they'd keep me as SA.

No, in Trilegal equity matlab everything goes into a pot and is shared by all according to the points you have. He will be at the bottem of the lockstep, so around 5 points, which will mean well over 1-.1.25 crores. The top of the lockstep is 40 points.

There is NO sharing on the basis of what your team makes, none.

The level of ignorance here is matched only by the low tone.

lol fair point but as someone who simply didn't go to srcc but chose nalsar all I can say is it was a interest and subject based choice and I am pretty happy with it. but if someone is doing it only for college vs college then doesn't make sense.

op, as a nalsar senior I can pretty much say its never an issue as such infact its only a plus point. if your age is hopefully a sign of maturity, then you will be glad not to be 18 in your first year,trust me. Anyways, best of luck, mate, and always feel free to approach seniors or anyone who you are comfortable with instead of anonymous forums. Lastly don't regret something like your age in first year its extremely common for 20 to be the right age in 1st year while only recently it has fallen lower imo.

the breakdown is: -

1. JGLS- 16

2. NUJS- 13

3. NLUJ- 12

4. GNLU- 10

5. SLS PUNE- 8

6. NALSAR- 8

7. NLIU BHOPAL- 7

8. NLUD-6

9. HNLU RAIPUR- 5

10. NLUO- 5

11. TNNLU- 5

12. NLSIU- 4

13. GLC- 3

14. NUALS KOCHI- 3

15. OTHER LAW SCHOOLS- 16

https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/recruitment-tracker/rectracker-trilegal-hires-128-students-from-batch-of-2024

1. Do a PhD in a non-law subject. E.g., you want to teach and research in Jurisprudence, do a PhD in Philosophy.

2. Do a JD after, or while working on, your PhD (depending on what the immigration rules allow).

Doing a U.S. LLM + SJD combination isn't helpful for employment in the U.S. market, as those are graduate law degrees intended primarily for foreign students (with the latter being intended as being a doctorate in law for foreign students who wish to become academics in foreign countries but who want U.S. exposure and training). Therefore, doing a JD is of vital importance.

I think that’s where she made the cut, if you don’t have a stellar GPA/mesmerising Harvard lsat score (the most important ingredient)- you either need to be a Rhodes scholar or a jessup winner, she was the latter. No wonder Harvard is the OG lol. We salivate at the opportunity of going there for llm even after studying at a T-1. More power to Iram!

Hi. Don’t you think that M7 MBA considers work experience much higher than a JD? Maybe that’s where they both differ. Plus, the lsac GPA normalisation gets really niche when you actually apply for the T-14 schools as the above comment mentions here. I think Indians don’t apply for JD cause no one wants to prepare for a rigorously tough US exam (unlike the sat or gmat) like JD after spending five years, where already one is having a law degree. That doesn’t make JD a less valuable degree or in fact I feel it’s just as prestigious as a M7 MBA, if not more. US citizens consider JD a much bigger deal, whereas M7 mba is a global attraction. I hope this settles the debate.

I am pleased at this intervention, but think it could have come quicker. I also wonder if the moderators could be allowed to do a bit more than mark comments with tags such as 'trollish', 'contested', etc.? Could reliably-sourced material (i.e., HLS's own admission policies) be linked to by mods, for example? Doing something like that, in addition to the placing of tags, would, I think, help demonstrate this (moderation) as being a credible process.

Start a formal/informal student-run society or study-circle where such activities can take place. Talk about the society to the new batch that will join soon. Some of them will be interested to join it, I am sure. You can be the senior student who pioneers that culture at the university if it is missing at present. You may be pleasantly surprised to learn that some of the existing students also share similar interests, but are too shy or hesitant to seek out other like-minded people. They too may join once you start it. Many of such initiatives have worked in other NLUs. Don't give up hope. You may extend the society/circle virtually too, so that students from other universities may also join eventually. Best of luck!

Hi. I think most of the readers don’t know what a Harvard JD (not knowing may sound pathetic) is in the first place, prolly for them a Harvard llm is itself a big deal. Getting in is a very big deal and I think majority of readers do acknowledge that. It’s just a few trollers who love to spew nonsense anyway.

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Instead of talking about her, especially anonymously, like this, why not try talking to her? Maybe, instead of writing posts on LI to gain upvotes or LinkedIn for 'likes', why not use LinkedIn in the best way it can be used - to network? Maybe connect with her on there (by sending an invitation with a properly crafted 300 character long note, explaining how you found out about her and why her career is of interest to you), actually write a proper message to her, ask for an informational interview and find out about her trajectory? Maybe do that by starting with questions about something specific, e.g., the moot or her working under a judge and ask for advice about how to bag such things, and then about other achievements? Or is that too much serious work for you?

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Anyway, for those who are mindlessly scrolling on here, want to do serious work in life but can't because, of course, nobody who scrolls this site has any basic research skills, here is her actual LinkedIn profile. ▮▮▮

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https://www.linkedin.com/in/iram-huq-06b69746/

Excellent sarcasm. An Indian guy right here at Harvard told me of this website a while back when I was a 2L. He described it as a place which was really good to vent and rant on random stuff about, and where you could find high class shitpost content, if you were looking for that sort of thing (and he was right!).

To answer the question, I didn't know about this place called N.L.S. until now, and I'm quite intreagued to learn about it. But seriously, you guys sure as hell gotta develop a thicker skin, if you're from there. Hell, we used to kid even LLM's who'd been to law school at Oxford for Christ's sake, so how do you think we'd treat folks from a place most of us hadn't heard of in a country half of us couldn't find on a map?

Guys, you carry on like this and the attitude of even folks like me who'd kid LLM's just to troll, rather than to put 'em down, will be like that of that there guy the limeys call Sherlock Holmes. The old Brit once said something pretty smart, apparently: 'Now that I know it, I'll do my best to forget it'. That'll be about how folks at Harvard would start thinking about N.L.S.

Good observation. Of course Suits is by and large fictional but at the same time one cannot exclude certain very relatable and real life elements and thrills that the show presents. Just to be cool, people try to diss it, that it is nothing like reality. Like obviously you will not have an overtly alpha Partner who is cocky all the time (even with Clients), an associate boning a hot paralegal in annex or a partner hiring someone without a law degree! But these are creative liberties that every show has to take. I found Suits to be a great show. The office politics, the client pressures the M&A and litigation drama are all spot on!

Of course they only show the glamorous parts which is probably 10 percent of the legal audiences "combined" daily lives, but the rest 90% reality intelligent viewers like us are supposed to assume has already happened. So there will be scenes where Camera will start with Mike working and then cut to him waking up in the office itself. This is the "reality" part, which they don't show fully. The late nighters, the reading and vetting of documents, the highlighting and editing of every single word, the hard diligence etc. But as intelligent viewers we have to assume that the characters have already done that off camera.

Another important thing is shows like The Practice and Boston Legal took case stories from multiple litigations and multiple firms and presented as if the same firm or a couple of firms are handling almost every important case in the country. Which I totally support. All of our shared experiences and life stories and career highlights and epoch making events are different. So if a show takes 20-30 events that may be do not happen at a single law firm at a single point of time but has definitely happened at multiple places, multiple firms and at multiple eras of time and just coalesce all the masala into one show, I find absolutely nothing wrong with it. (I know so much drama can't happen at a single firm and that too all the time). And obviously you need to have SOME suspension of disbelief otherwise why the hell will you watch movies and shows! Overall, they did a fabulous job.

If anything, you will be able to understand the subjects better, having spent two years in law school already. Moreover, you are likely to behave more responsibly as a student and the teachers would probably end up liking you for that. One of my students was also twenty in their first year and he was the best of the lot.

If this is legitimate, I sympathise the OP. But I really can’t understand as to how certain people in the batch of 2029 can be this dumb? OP please respectfully tell the girl that her seniors who are around 22-24 in their 2nd/3rd year are high class toppers with some of them even striving for Rhodes. Age doesn’t matter and please refer to the above threads.

Regards,

Nalsar’27.

heyy bro, I am 20yrs old and i will give clat 2025 and if i got selected then i will 21 yrs in the 1st year of my clg. why are u looking at ur age ? why dont u see that how much hardwork and patience you have ur so determined to get into an nlu otherwise there are lakhs of students take admissions in pvt law clgs every year . they dont have that much courage and strength which u have shown. if u feel conscious about ur age then others will make u more be confident about what u have and what you are . its better to be 20 yrs old and being in nlusiu instead of 17yrs old in any pvt clg.

so dont make ur age any barrier . good luck , world is waiting for you:)

Lmao, not at all. In fact you are well within the median age.

Check these links for consolation. No one will validate until you prove yourself to be of tough mettle. No one really cares about age, but check these still.

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/186775-switched-college-late-to-nalsar-from-christ-will-grad-at-27-did-i-mess-up

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/195176-5-year-law-course-from-nalsar-or-should-i-continue-what-i-am-doing

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/199972-i-made-it-to-nalsar-the-creme-de-la-creme-of-nlus-and-this-feeling-of-despair-wont-go-a-vent-sort-of

I am so sorry you were put through this! You were objectified by someone who should have treated you as a young professional and then your fellow interns were shitty enough to attack you instead of holding the powerful man responsible. This is horrible all round. Please know that none of this has any bearing on your work. You obviously have integrity and are honest with yourself.

The problem with these situations is that the people who are jealous of you (stupidly, because you're not asking to be treated like an object) will egg you on to get confrontational. That is not your responsibility. Your responsibility is to protect yourself. Be pleasant. Make very good excuses and stay out of his orbit. Ideally, you do not want him to get angry at you but you also don't want him to take liberties with you. Focus on your work and try to do it well. Don't undermine your own intellect or labor to make jealous people feel better. His attentions are not your fault. He may be favoring you for the wrong reasons but that's on him. You don't need to tell people you are worthless because you are not.

The world is full of powerful men who treat women like playthings and people who then blame women. This was a horrible experience but if you learn to trust your instincts and protect yourself, it will help you in the future. Sometimes the only way is to beg another safer senior for work or to quit citing a health or familty problem. But those are last ditch measures. If you can manage the situation and get through it without harming yourself, then that is a good way.

Bro u are talking about 2-3 years gap as if it's a 20-30 years gap, he's just more mature than you which people are at that age, plus pressure is a bit hit on him cuz he's a bit late to the law school party.

That being said u being 18 while in 2nd year is an anomaly itself.

And change your partner if you don't like him as such.

Threads that can genuinely help you: -

1.https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/248998-nluo-placements-2023-how-are-they-really

2.https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/266648-what-is-happening-at-nluo

3.https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/369628-nluo-got-more-placements-than-nlud-for-2024-batch-is-it-for-real

I think this does warrant some serious discussion. NLIU has a myriad of problems plaguing their law school. I had an interaction with few of my batchmates, and we are not happy with the whole senior-junior hierarchy that’s existing within our realm. Ragging is rampant and how much of oiling is too much oiling?

We are not happy with the lack of foreign exposure. It’s like our batch is collectively prone to being domesticated in Indian law firms and they are even happy with a 11 LPA package from Indus, not realising that their counterparts from certain other tier-1s are getting paid much more with a lower grade. Foreign law firms aren’t particularly fond of our college based on previous experiences of underwhelming candidates being sent to A&O/Linklaters.

A rusty domicile crowd is a huge problem which in fact generates the worst possible problems for our uni. The admin is even fed up of their tantrums producing antics left and right.

We may not have a protest going on, we may not have serious allegations against our admin, but the issues are there. It’s high time we fill this ‘void’. It’s making us feel really left out.

There is no f... line. Just file an official complaint to dean/principal of college with a copy of HRD ministry. Complaint should clearly mention names of perps, description of crime, place & time of crime with clear reference to anti ragging laws. Better if you have witness or co-victim. Even better if you have video or audio recording.
Let the careers & lives of ragging seniors be rotten. Do not withdraw complaint despite any fear or favour. This is sheer sadism & it hurts at many levels, especially mentally. People will come crying to beg to withdraw, then all saam, daam, dand, bhed will be used but stand upright.
Be a complainant & witness if you see such things & support the victim. You owe yourself that.

You are on the right track, bud! You have identified the most crucial aspect of getting a blog or paper published: novelty. Here are a few things that I feel are helpful:

1) Novelty: The aim of your paper or blog should be to add something to the existing scholarship on the topic you have picked. Now, how do you do this? Simplest answer is "reading". Read everything and anything about it. Even papers that are not directly related to your topic but can be relevant from a particular lens. The more you read on an issue, the more your brain will form connections, and you will come up with your original thoughts.

2) If you are new to academic writing, do not pick very hot burning legal developments. Way too many people write on a monumental development in any area of law. Try finding something that hasn't been discussed a lot on several fora.

3) Minimise the descriptive part of your piece. I have reviewed articles where kids have simply paraphrased a judgement and used fancy words to make it seem analytical. For blogs, you only have around 1500 words. If your analytical part is mere 100-200 words, it's not going to get accepted.

4) Formatting: It gives a very wrong impression when kids don't even bother reading the submission guidelines of the blog. If the blog requires you to hyperlink sources (the ones you can), and you have put footnotes, it shows you have done a sloppy job.

5) Proof-reading: This is a no-brainer. If you can't do this properly, don't become a lawyer.

Lastly, just like anything else, remember that it is a skill. You will get better with time. Don't beat yourself up if your article is not accepted. Trust the process, you'll get there. All the best!

Here’s why:

1. Relentless trolling and vicious attacks against Sudhir Krishnaswamy, by jealous tier 2 college guys who have never set foot inside NLSIU and are resentful that Sudhir is improving the institution with his excellent faculty hires.

2. Similarly, non-stop attacks against Jindal despite Jindal doing better than many NLUs in the placements and foreign scholarships scene — again, by jealous and resentful people, who are also angry that Jindal-ites are wealthy (as if you guys don’t aspire to become wealthy and send your children to good universities).

3. Likewise, attacks against NUJS NRI quota students. FYI some of the most successful NUJS alumni are from the NRI quota and an NRI quota girl alum has just been awarded the Salve scholarship at Oxford this year.

4. Then, further hate against those going abroad for LLMs. You are either a traitor to your country and a bootlicker of the white race, or a spoilt rich kid — because, of course, we must opt for third-rate LLM courses at NLUs and be called “Lallams” by you lot!

5. Comments in Hindi, in blatant disregard of those who are not comfortable with Hindi. I speak Hindi and have scored good grades in Hindi in school, but I would never speak in Hindi in front of a pan-India crowd, as there are people who are from the South, Bengal, North East etc. Please show this courtesy too. It’s absolutely fine if you throw in a common Hindi word here and there, eg bindaas, jugaad or chapri ( as I have done). The English language happily absorbs words from foreign languages. But please don’t type entire sentences in Hindi!

6. Finally, a sharp increase in aggressive, abusive, incel-like language (which is strangely missed by moderators).

Downvote and abuse me all you want, you’ll only be validating my comment.

Hello, I've been browsing LI frequently for the past 2–3 years, and this is something I've had in the back of my mind for some time. I'm from a baby NLU and we've had our fair share of 'Legal Methods' in there. However, there's one problem I've encountered that revolves around publication, research, and writing.

I see IndCorpLaw, IRCCL, and other NLU blogs and journals and frequently try to see where I am going wrong. I have a few publications in journals (which are not very famous or esteemed), and I have a few drafts on which I am constantly working in my free time.

The problem in general is that all I am doing in the name of research is reiterate the same provisions, adding some judgements, past research papers, and some of my personal analysis before concluding that 3–4k word paper. This bothers me, as I'm not really adding anything new to the table. All I do is read and rephrase the descriptive information, add my interpretation, and get done with it.

Now I don't want to pursue academia, but I'm concerned that all I am doing in the name of research is just putting on a facade and not adding anything substantial. If anyone's had similar trouble, I'd like to know your experience and how you improved as a legal writer.

Little known secret, almost everyone manages to have “time off” whether officially or unofficially, during slow phases or just asking for more flexibility with deadlines when possible so you can catch a break. People do travel on long weekends, attend weddings, family events but probably don’t wish to announce it to the team and make a big deal about it.

Often times the ones who are most vocal about availability and not taking breaks (PAs, Partners) will be juggling their breaks. Complete switch off is difficult unless you are on a long leave with transition cover or have let everyone know about your limited availability/ weekend travel plans.

In your early years, you can make it easier for yourself by:

- doing work as soon as it is assigned rather then when it’s due, if it’s assigned during reasonable hours

- work sincerely at least 6-7 hours a day, without long breaks, preferably in the morning because things tend to be less likely to be due EOD if they are assigned post 5 pm

- upward management is key, if your supervisor works 8 am - 5 pm you know when you will be expected to be available to discuss, if they work 3 pm - 11 pm it will be different

- with time you will be able to identify client, partner and supervisor patterns. I had a partner who expected acknowledgement emails and confirmation that someone is working on it ASAP, seniors who had no intention of reviewing a draft DD report till 2 weeks later but wanted you to finish the first cut overnight, clients who wanted a memo ASAP but would get around to it in 2-3 days and then keep changing the scope

People come on these platform to share their frustrations, not share how and when do they take their time off.

It's truth, this comment is. I once made a similar comment attempting to impose a reality check surrounding the Oxford BCL, and these good-for-nothing moral police who are guardians of this platform marked that as trollish as well. As another comment on this thread has said, OP should just put their head down, actually put in some work in life and stop bitching about people. You guys treat your own LLM students like this, just deal with it. Also, I have lived in multiple western countries, and can tell you that your typical person there has a lot more work in life than to be snobbish and high-nosed. Does that mean there are no snobbish and high-nosed people in western countries? Obviously not! But the way OP is talking about this stuff gives a very incomplete picture. And frankly, if this is the way you write and you are really from NLS (and not just a random troll who actually hasn't gone to either NLS or HLS), then, with regards to the HLS JD cohort's snobbishness, I'd tell them, 'bring it on, these ***'s deserve it'. Why? Because all you, OP who started this thread, have is privilege, (a lot of) daddy's money, no sense of where having a smart mouth is appropriate and where it isn't, an unbelievably inflated ego (much like the people you criticize) and a gigantic victimhood mentality. DW OP, when you find your footing, you'll fit right into the ranks of the western hard left.

PS: To the guy who made the (not) trollish comment to which I have replied, continue speaking the truth, you will be rewarded some day for your efforts.

I think this is a very relevant question that very few students think about while in college, and frankly, very few associates think of in the first few years.

Let me share with you my anecdotal observations, having graduated from a T1 NLU and worked in a T1 firm (General Corporate):

- Most people get married after becoming SA, which is in 4-5 years. Switching firms, taking sabbaticals, having exceptionally busy years is not uncommon.

- If you unfortunately land up in teams where availability has to be 24x7 which means working most weekends, being at your desk at 9 pm and 10 pm on a regular basis, dating or even spending quality time with people outside of work will be difficult. There are far too many teams like this.

- You will be surrounded by DINKs and people who are having kids only after becoming a partner. Therefore, people may be less empathetic towards people “choosing” to have kids at a younger age of 27-30.

- This is compounded by the fact that work in law firms is client-service and demand driven and people operate on very short timelines. The lower you are in the hierarchy, the more you are required to be flexible with your availability, as your Counsel / PA / Partner’s priorities, conflicts and deadlines will largely be accommodated over yours.

- There is a very steep learning curve the first 6 years, and you are not the master of your own time. It’s doable to try to fit in a gym routine or occasional doctors appointment or dinner plans, but much harder devoting chunks of your time to your young family.

- Instead of an accommodative workplace, you might find yourself amongst toxic partners who discourage you from having any commitment that takes you away from being available to work, on a sustained basis.

Long story short, it’s an uphill battle and most people prefer to manage work from an in-house or smaller firm. Note, that this doesn’t automatically guarantee better work life balance or hours.

What you can do, is grind it out for a couple of years for the learnings and then see if you are able to make time for having a family. If not, look for a place where your bosses and peers also have families and as a matter of culture, stop by 6 pm unless things are urgent.

You will discover that you can’t have it all, but if you prioritise something, you will find a way.

To emphasise more on this, try to look at it logically maybe? (My experience as a current Yale LLM - NALSAR B.A. LLB)

B.A. LLB is the equivalence degree to a JD in the United States. LLM is usually just an additional option if you want to qualify the bar exams there. The US cohort including the Indian Americans don’t take LLM seriously at all, plus the prestige factor lies with the JD making the LLM students less shiny. Plus, you have to understand that Harvard students are known to be arrogantly snobbish when it comes to their law programme. My friend from Virginia who is pursuing his JD at NYU stated that HLS even crushed Yale law grads time to time. So it’s not uncommon for them to look down upon a law school which isn’t well known in the whole of Asia. Let’s be honest, even your Indian peers (especially your batchmates) salivate to even get their journals in the Harvard student law review where even the JD students are given first preference. Also, it’s incredibly harder to get into the Harvard JD programme when you compare it to their LLM programme. LSAT US (not india) is not a joke. Either you need to have a certain 175ish grade / life altering extra curricular or legacy admission (but that too if your dad or uncle is a governor). For LLM there is no exam and let’s be honest even if by any great misfortune the HLS students come across something like CLAT- they will start laughing at us despite the unpredictability the exam holds every year. NLUs are not even as prestigious as IITs (which are quite well known to Harvard and MIT grads, even Yale too), so it’s difficult if you expect Harvard to take note of us. Plus, the inferiority of top Indian law schools are exposed vividly when we ourselves including the NLS cohort refer certain institutions as ‘Harvard of the East’ / ‘Yale of the East’. We already admit that their institution is already bigger, just hang out with your cohort and mingle with those JD folks who are actually nice, not everyone can be bad.

I work with Baker. Based on my internal discussions here and with a couple of magic circle firms, there appears to be no substantial interest in opening India branches or operations in India. The big firms all work in-tandem, so unless one opens up shop in India the others won't.

All of them have India desks which ostensibly do the same work as what an India-branch would achieve. It's more cost effective to stick an Indian TC in the India desk and outsource routine advisory to a T2 law firm in India. Our bill for "local counsel coordination" is often 2-3x what the actual law firm charges, so clearly there is no scope on ground for any significant revenue generation.

Guys it's just not cool to make such allegations about an individual on a public forum unless you have got the evidence to back it up, in which case go public or inform the authorities concerned about it. I don't know this fellow from Adam, but imagine some random person making such allegations about you anonymously on social media, like you have bought your way through CLAT, or you have bribed teachers to leak papers etc.

Work on your shortcomings. Each one of has some - this includes the ones who are placed in T1.

AND

Try litigation.

OR

Work at small firms if you're dire need of jobs:

Wadia Ghandy is switching to bigger office in Ahmedabad.

OR

Apply for long term internship at LKS Ahmedabad. You'll get paid at least 18k per month which is more than enough to cover your expenses in Ahmedabad.

AND

Have faith in yourself. I took 2 years drop before clat. It's okay if you're a 2022/23 grad and is not placed yet. It could or couldn't be fault of your own but there's no point in going down that road. The best you can do is go forward.

Be smart while applying. Banglore is not a legal hub to begin with. Ahmedabad is expanding with lks moving to New office and so does wadiya. Also, kco opened new office very recently. Consider going to Ahmedabad for it's cheaper. Do the following from tomorrow:

1. Apply to wadiya and/or lks for internship.

2. Regularly apply to firms in Delhi for job interview.

3. Talk to your friends/confidant regularly.

4. Cut down on your expenses.

5. Stop using social except LinkedIn.

6. You must think some other fellow is nothing compared to you but has a job. Everyone thinks that but such thought process isn't going to bring any good. If you can't be happy for other person.. at least have the maturity to only focus on yourself.

7. Exercise or walk. Don't meditate. Start meditation when something good happens.

8. Idk whether world is cruel or not.. if there's only luck factor or not. There's no point in thinking about such things so don't waste time. Focus on yourself. Try to grow. You must have had amazing days be it with your friends or family or cousins or even strangers. There are people who have your best interests. They deserve that you're happy. Just consider doing those things I mentioned.

All the Best!

I'm going to save this link. Lmk if something good happens. I'm counting on you ❤️🤝.

Currently, GNLU and NUJS is the powerhouse for corporate placements and dominate the ranks of top firms. Either way, if you’re batch rank is decent enough, you can get through it easily. Whereas priorly, NLS had equally good corp. placements, however most have gravitated towards academia and policy. So I think Gnlu will work fine, that is if you’re end goal is corporate.

No. Not all places are like this.

But law firms do tend to attract workaholics who only think about work and make it their identity. There are quite a few places like this.

Take a break, then try to find your next job. Reach out to people you know to get a sense of how the workplace is.

One of the clerk at the Chamber of Chief Justice in High Court refused to take complaint on Administrative side on nonsensical objection that it must be made in Public Grievance website even though the complaint is about a Lower Court Judge in Maharastra making false statement, in his order, about a High Court order.

The lawyer of opposite party In Lower Court is a Senior Advocate in High Court and its this influence resulting in the Clerk refusing to take the complaint.Even prior other complaints against this Judge that were made almost three weeks back are not even given an Outward number.This is not just some lazy clerk,its a clerk who's probably taking a 100 rupee note or some favour,obviously without a trace,from the law firm of the Senior Advocate of the opposite party.There's a habit of the clerk insisting that outward number will not be done on same day but after 3-4 days.But the numbering is not done for weeks sometimes and the complaints become redundant.He once asked me for Rs100 when I requested my complaint to be treated as urgent.When I refused, I faced consequences.The Lower Court Judge had come to know about my complaint on next date and passed adverse observations on me in an order.When I challenged the order with adverse observations,the High Court remanded the matter to be redecided by Lower Court who withdrew those observations.Thats when I bought this new complaint and the Clerk in High Court has refused to take it.

What is the legal remedy here-Should I report the matter to ACB as I am facing consequences for not bribing or take up Contempt against the Clerk for interfering administration of justice

Hi everyone,

I've put together a list of questions commonly asked in job interviews for associate positions. Please take a look and feel free to add any questions you think would be helpful. Let's make this list as useful as possible for everyone!

Thanks.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SI81Z9yCuFXeR6hkprvI1aTWG9DD3QOhZIrc8dOWZzY/edit?usp=sharing

The students have made the following demands -

1. A written commitment regarding refund of mess, internet and reading material fee, as these facilties were not provided to students
2. Show cause notice to all faculties involved in anti-student activities
3. Removal of anti-protest declaration from admission forms
4. Immediate redressal steps for water cooler cleaning in hostel and mess
5. Removal of 70% attendance rule in each subject till more transparent system for accounting attendance is in place
6. Option to opt out of mess
7. Extra curricular attendance leave in addition to medical leave
8. Initiation of constitution of interim student body
9. Notification of non-negotiable student visiting hours for VC Office

https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/protests-break-out-at-nusrl-ranchi-on-water-contamination-vc-denies-existence-of-protests-on-campus

I am from a tier-1 law college at rajasthan and I absolutely hate the fact that I keep getting ridiculed as a nri candidate out there. Those who survive, survive in a very low-key fashion. If you are NRI - automatically people expect you to top the semester exams (because of your wealth) and when you don’t, you will be sniffed off. There will be ostracisation to the extent that people will change their tone while they talk to the NRI candidate. If you are not incredible famous/classic bootlicker of your batchmates, you will face problems of all sorts. I don’t know if this is the case for nujs or gnlu as well, but I will recommend people to avoid this seat at all costs cause mental peace matters. Rhetorics and insults which may seem ‘small’ to them, can appear meaninglessly harmful to you. You don’t want that. This is an anonymous forum- and I hope I haven’t been trollish as such, I just really wanted to put this heartfelt post out there. If there’s similar candidates like me, do ensure and we can talk about it without being trollish. I will also like the mod to highlight this thread for transparency.

Exactly. Stephens + JD sounds like a good option.

I know you haven't asked for this advice, but you have other options than a Stephens + JD or a Stephens + three year Indian LLB or Indian LLB + American LLM open to you. You may wish to consider these too.

I know of someone in England that did an undergrad at Stephens and then an LLB at Durham. The guy has secured a training contract at Latham & Watkins' London office (Latham being an American law firm, and one of the largest in the world). So even if the U.S. doesn't work out immediately, you still do have the other options, such as the possibility of going to England with an Indian undergraduate degree which is not in law and studying/practicing there. NB: Don't try NALSAR BALLB + LLB in England, because the visa authorities in England don't allow that kind of thing. An LLB from England would be (i) on the same academic level as your NALSAR BALLB (i.e., Bachelors degree, RQF Level 6); and (ii) in the same subject, meaning that an LLB in England after a BALLB in NALSAR wouldn't represent 'academic progression', which the British rules on student visas consider to be very important. If, like the guy I know, you were to get a TC at a big American firm in London with a combination of a Stephens BA + an LLB from a Russell Group university, you could have a few years' PQE in London, sort yourself out with a British passport and immigrate to the U.S. with that. A longer pathway, but still gets you to your eventual goal. Immigration rules justification: you could do two undergraduate degrees - a Stephens BA + a UK LLB - because, while both of them are at RQF Level 6, they are degrees in different subjects, and as they lead to a career in the law, would still constitute a credible academic plan.

Or if you really want to have all manner of experiences, some UK law schools (King's, UCL and LSE specifically) have what are called 'dual degree partnerships' with U.S. universities. Essentially, you do a four year law degree, called LLB - JD, recognised for purposes of being a practicing lawyer in both the UK and the U.S. Two of your four years are spent studying law in the UK, and two years are spent studying law in the U.S. To give you a sense of what the partnerships for such degrees look like, King's collaborates with Georgetown, giving its English and American Law degree holders a degree of LLB - JD (two years spent at King's and two at Georgetown) and both UCL and LSE have collaborations with Columbia (so, depending on where you get admitted in the UK, you would spend two years in the UK at UCL or LSE, and two years at Columbia), getting a qualifying law degree that could allow you to practice in both England and Wales and the U.S.

Avoid. As someone who left the service after 5 years, I can say that of you really wish for a peaceful work-life balance, this is not it. Also because the state is smaller in size, everyone knows everyone, and everyone tries to put influence on your work. Also as a judge, you can't socialise, you have to be suspicious of everyone you meet, your nights are spent researching, reading and writing judgements, you're at the whims of higher court officials who want to visit the district, you'll spend less time with family and friends, even in court "vacations" you'll be completing official duty etc etc.

Sure, if you're passionate and really love handing out judgements, no big deal. However, it's not the best career for a slow & peaceful life. Moreover, I've noticed post-covid the political interference has risen, earlier it would be behind closed doors and very far and few. Now it's openly rampant. However if you still prefer judiciary, Himachal>Uttarakhand.

I can confirm from my internship that a top Senior Advocate is advising on the matter and a petition will indeed be filed before the SC. However, the media coverage is misleading. The petition is not seeking to overturn the results. Rather, the petition will challenge the credibility of the process. It will point to the fact that the PM made hate speeches, BJP trolls spread misinformation on social media, EVMs can be tampered with etc. The relief sought will be greater accountability from the EC.

https://www.edexlive.com/news/2024/May/28/gnlu-students-extend-solidarity-with-nujs-professor-students-over-sexual-harassment-allegations-against-vc

https://jurysoutblog.wordpress.com/2024/05/28/statement-of-solidarity-with-the-nujs-student-body/

This is incredible news! Last time you saw an NLU SBA setting apart placement rivalries and supporting another NLU SBA was in the pre-Covid 2010s. There was a wave of NLU student protests during that period, with almost 12 NLUs protesting against their VCs in a span of 3-4 years. One of the hallmarks of those protests was cross-NLU support, with each NLU SBA offering a letter of solidarity to the other. Unfortunately, several factors led to this phenomenon dying down, such as:

1. Covid

2. A new generation of students with a different mindset. Some students were more interested in fighting woke culture wars than fighting for administrative transparency.

3. NLSIU SBA selfishly dissociating itself from other NLUs, following Sudhir's reforms and the Karnataka HC judgement holding that only NLSIU is a national institution (which NLSIU alum ASG Vikramjit Banerjee had selfishly argued before the court).

4. Death of LI and change in attitude of BB. In those days, LI used to be a news site and BB used to be an honest and pro-student news site (unlike now, where BB has blacked out news of the NUJS student petition against the VC and news of corruption in other NLUs). LI and BB used to regularly publish campus news and take a pro-student perspective Different SBAs also leaked news to LI and BB, and there was a competition between LI and BB on who would get the scoop first! Sadly, this died when Kian quit this space.

So it's a welcome change seeing GNLU trying to revive the era of inter-NLU solidarity. But fingers crossed on whether this will stay. 🤞

I cannot literally decipher the ludicrous thread here, I thought this was a well moderated site.

Coming to your situation, I am facing a similar hell for some years now, and this has worked for me to an extent (albeit, I am still psychologically dead, and have very much trouble making meaningful friendships and relationships in law school (just dated 4 girls in the past few years and ended on very bad terms, possibly ruining their outlook on relationships as well)

1. Maintain less contact- Dont visit home, go on internships in vacations

2. Ace your academics, and spend a lot of time focussing on studies. The comfortable backing of loving parents that your batchmates have, isn't going to work out for you. After a certain age in life, people are averse to changing their outlook and emotional stance over time, do NOT expect them to change ever. Get top grades and aim for a job placement ASAP in your fourth year itself.

3. Speak to your bank manager and try getting the terms lightened, like giving you a gap

4. Try getting sources of earning income. Anything, YouTube, long term internships, just open linkedin and keep applying everywhere regardless of JD. Lie on your CV. Anything. This will help you slowly grow less dependent on your parents. Until this, keep your expenses low when it is derived from them.

5. Please please make friends. Such situations drain you emotionally and you do need stuff apart from acads as well to help you survive law school.

6. If you have ancestral property/ business, try speaking to a lawyer and getting your share asap.

Depends on what terms you part ways under. Check the loan documents to see whether any of your parents has signed it as a guarantor, which is common with educational loans. If they have and they inform the bank that they no longer wish to remain a guarantor, then you may have trouble with the release of further disbursement of the loan amount in subsequent years. If however, they choose not to do so, then it is unlikely that the bank would care. In some cases, the parent also chooses to keep servicing the loan partially by paying the interest accrued. Check whether that is happening in your case.

Technical matters aside, I do not really know what is the exact situation in your home. However, you are probably staying away for most of the year anyway with law school and internships. If possible, try to adjust a little bit during the short period of time you do reside at home. Parent-child bond aside, it would also help your financial situation for the next three years at least, since other than the university fees, you would also need extra money for your other needs, internship travel and stay etc. It is often the case that the parents do love their children and want the best for them, but cannot understand that they may be alienating the children because of misunderstanding. Try to talk to them about it, if you have not done so already. Best of luck!

Can’t oversimplify capital markets. Very little to do with black letter law and very much to do with evolving market practice. Suggest you have your companies act in place because without it, the ICDR regulations make no sense and consequently neither does a DRHP. Know what a DRHP is - go through it. Understanding securities law is the next step, and a preliminary understanding of the primary and secondary market is required. Most of the people here will tell you to perceive it as nothing more but due diligence. But you can’t do due diligence without knowing all of this.

Of course, don’t sit to memorise all of it - but know where to look for when doing a deliverable. Nothing can prepare you for this. It’s either for you or it’s absolutely not. Not everyone’s cup of tea. If you don’t understand it and lose interest in it then it’s not for you and your fresher year is the best time to switch. But it takes time and patience. If you still can’t find enough fucks to give within 6 months then quit - and I say this with a lot of optimism. If you think the grass is greener on the other side, then it probably is.

Also, like, chill out until you start off. Don’t bother trying to prepare for a job you can easily learn while you’re at it. You’re not going to get this time back. Live your life. Take YOLO-ing seriously. Time is money and every moment is costly.

He is a great teacher. He is also fearless in calling out bullshit (not something we can say about most people), in regards to what a university education is supposed to do. He has the right ideas re. teaching of, to use his words, "fundamental first principles". We need more people like him in Indian academia.

I was a corporate lawyer in India a decade + ago. Went to a national law university, somewhere sometime. Later took an MBA and moved to the US. For good reasons cut off everyone from law and law school.

Legally India started around 2008 to 2009 in our _________? when we still had blackberry's and terrible ragging culture everywhere from law schools in bhopal to culcutta.

From 2009 to 2013 Legally India was the OG of corp law shit posting and reporting in India. We all used to love reading LI. After 2014s I stopped scrolling through LI.

Met a friend in Singapore a month ago who also quit law practice in Mumbai to join banking. As we reconnected, talked about our old days. I opened legally india, old Facebook accounts after a decade to have some fun and recollect. Tears rolled out. Shocked to see that legally india ceased to exist as a proper website.

A lot of changes happened in law schools and profession in INDIA.

FAST forward to 2024, Plenty of national law universities - back in the day we used to know lot of people even from other NLUs. Plenty of large law firms - some even as big as new york practices. Exponential growth. Some folks who barely passed out of law school even became partners and good Litigation Counsels in Mumbai and Bangalore. How?

Clat as an exam started in 2007 and there was only one good coaching center in the whole country - Law School Tutorials by Sachin Malhan from 90s NLS. Now there are plenty?

Law schools (nlus) have became less cohesive but more bigger, diverse and accommodating. Even NLS with it's legacy batch of 60 changed.?

One big change is offices - past one decade almost every large firm changed offices.

Nariman to Mahalaxmi Parel and Bandra

Good old Delhi to Noida and Gurgaon (feel bad, uncomfortable)

Bangalore offices became bigger. Tech boom is real.

Proposed large Chennai and Hyderabad offices never started or failed even after a decade? How why?

Would be great if someone can revive LI! Or atleast preserve the website to prevent shut down. This is a history treasure trove of corporate law profession in India.

LI was even better than Roll on Friday (UK) at its peak. Indian lawyers will be benefitted if LI gets back on foot.

LI used to make good money from New York and Mumbai law firms even while keeping it's reporting independent.

PS - many details have been changed here and there to protect my privacy.

It all lies in your ability to be a patient listener, being aware of your privilege, being self reflective of your actions, being comfortable in following the lead of the other et al.

The above is a short primer. You can give Pedagogy of the Oppressed a read for greater depth.

"Where are all these hundreds and thousands of people? The only transpeople I read about involved in attacks are the ones attacked by people with the kind of prejudice and hatred that's all over this thread."

"I've never heard of anyone being called transphobic for exercising their autonomy over who they want to have sex with. So bizarre. These projections often are."

Are you not seeing the denial that transwomen commit crimes or are you wanting to see the denial? are you moving goalposts? It is obviously inaccurate to say no one ever said that these people dont commit crimes when there are these posts on this very thread? Ive only responded with reduxx links and terfisaslur.com links to these posts.

Where is the proof that its overexagerrated? Do you understand how numbers work? https://fairplayforwomen.com/transgender-male-criminality-sex-offences/ Here is one link
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/02/24/government-figures-70-per-cent-of-transgender-prisoners-are/#:~:text=figures%20have%20revealed.-,At%20least%20181%20of%20the%20244%20transgender%20inmates%2C%20more%20than,grievous%20bodily%20harm%20and%20robbery. Here is another

Here is a third: https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/
A fourth: https://torontosun.com/news/national/study-finds-nearly-45-of-trans-women-inmates-convicted-of-sex-crimes

- i can provide more. Half of the males in prisons who claim they are trans have committed and been convicted of sexual crimes and that rate for non-trans males in prisons is 17%. That is a significant difference. That means these are not over-exaggerated. The propensity to commit sexual crimes for the trans identified males is literally statistically higher compared to regular "cis" men. And regardless- even one is too many. even one woman being assaulted by a transwoman- a male in a womens space is too many and its not just one. Its a significantly higher number than that and its more likely to happen with a transwoman than with a "cis" man.

California prisons are providing women prisoners with condoms because 40 males are at last count in womens prisons. why provide all women with condoms? because its not likely that he will just rape one and leave it be. And these women are in prison- they cannot leave. And many of the women are in prison after a long history of dealing with male violence and when they go to prison they get told they will still have to deal with male violence so they best carry around condoms so at least they dont get pregnant. This should turn your stomach.

https://www.iwf.org/2024/03/19/why-are-womens-prisons-in-california-passing-out-condoms/
https://womensliberationfront.org/news/ca-womens-prisons-anticipate-pregnancy-sb123

What youre arguing- is that for all the rapes and sexual crimes women have to endure- transwomen only commit a small percentage- so they should get a pass to be in sex segregated spaces. How many rapes do you think are acceptable risk? Do you know that for all the people who own guns very few actually end up using it on another person? do you think we shouldnt have gun control laws then? or do you think the small minority of mentally ill people who murder school children by the hundreds mean that we should actually have gun control?

Thats how safeguarding works- you recognise broad patterns in criminality and then exclude anyone from that group and you do background checks. So everyone who might have serious mental illnesses is excluded from owning guns, and everyone who has a history of domestic violence is excluded from owning guns. And everyone with a male body is excluded from sex segregated spaces.

This is why there are sex segregated spaces in the first place. Not all men harm women- most men do not- but we have sex segregated toilets and prisons and rape shelters and schools to protect from the statistically significant percentage of men who do harm women. If a statistically significant percentage of transwomen are in prison for sexual crimes- and that is proven by authenticated government backed studies- then thats enough justification for excluding transwomen from sex segregated spaces.

If you learn the history- we had unisex bathrooms and prisons and schools and sports and the like before- the reason we moved away from that was because women were being harmed and were being disadvantaged. I cannot believe we have to relitigate it because some males say they feel like theyre "a woman on the inside". Every predatory male has an incentive to say that because then he is put in the womens space- its a nothing statement that requires no surgeries or hormones or medical interventions at all- its purely an internal state that is unverifiable. You leave the door open to that when you decide to prioritise claims about identities and genderfeels over biological material facts like sex.

Of all the men who rape women- im willing to bet that disabled men and old men are a very small number- but we dont allow disabled men and elderly men into womens spaces and womens prisons and rape shelters and toilets do we?

Youre essentially arguing "not all transwomen" when no one has argued all transwomen- we've only argued that there are enough- that there are statistical material facts that warrant sex segregation and safeguarding. And that these studies and numbers and the reporting of all of these incidents is blacked out or it is attributed as "womens" crimes. It gets harder and harder to tell these truths. That is why reduxx exists, as distasteful and "phobic" as you might find it. A phobia or a sceptre- is fear or something thats not real- this is not a phobia or a sceptre- its fear of something that IS real.

Just because transwomen might be subject to male violence doesnt mean women have to sacrifice their hard won rights for sex segregated spaces and safeguarding and sex based rights to accomodate them. Gay men are subject to male violence, pedophiles in prisons are raped consistently- that doesnt mean we put them all in the womens prisons because gay men and pedophiles and transwomen (conceding that these are distinct groups) are still male- and they still can and do harm women, we should find another solution.

To argue that the solution then is for women to give up their protections and rights is to argue that women have to perform penance for the crimes still committed by men. I reject the idea that any woman anywhere is responsible for the criminal actions of every man.

My solution to this problem is to have single occupancy third spaces for any male that feels threatened in the male space. I agree with you- even one male bodied person getting raped because he wore a dress that day or because hes gay is too much- im not comparing harms- you are dismissing harms to women. Im suggesting that the solution isnt to erase womens sex based rights. Rights arent pie generally- until you want a piece of the pie I have specifically carved out for me. Everybody has a property right- but nobody has a right to come on to my property and claim it for themselves or demand that we share- to argue that that is legitimate- is to argue that there are no property rights except for the people who feel comfortable ignoring property rights.

But of course you will find that trans activists and trans people oppose this solution. They dont just "want to be safe" or "want to pee" they want to be validated as "women" by being in womens sex segregated spaces. its the validation theyre after- not just the safety. Safety is a concern easily addressed. All of this money that goes into stonewall and ACLU, and human rights watch and all of these organisations who spend hundreds of millions arguing that sex isnt real- take that money and build third places for gender non-conforming males.

Validation requires that women give up their language, their sex based rights, their sex segregated spaces, their safeguarding and even their bodies to please males. No one in a free society should have to validate the internal psychological states of anybody. Not at this cost and not at any cost.

The problem with surgeries at "too young an age " is not that the surgeries could go wrong. its that children are not capable of understanding the implications of these surgeries and are therefore unable to provide informed consent. All children. And then that the surgeries even when they go perfectly- do not do what they are claimed to do. You cannot actually change sex- every cell in your body is coded xx or xy. You will be a permanent patient by doing this. You can gain a superficial appearance to a sex organ by moulding your body through surgeries- but neo-phalluses dont function like regular penises and neo-vaginas have nothing in common with regular vaginas at all- real vaginas self clean, they expand and contract as necessary, they help shed the uterine lining, they dont close up on their own, they dont tear up to have fecal matter from intestines spill into them. neo vaginas do none of those things. Quoting andrea long chu- its a wound thats carved into your body that the body will forever try to heal from. The organic body parts are signs of a healthy body. Modification procedures almost always result in ill health. Even hormone therapies. Exogenous hormones produce cancer, they produce osteoporosis, they might even impair brain development. There is a reason that we decided to prevent adult athletes from taking exogenous hormones- because they were killing themselves by taking these drugs trying to win competitions. It is impossible for a child to understand what the loss of sexual function, the loss of orgasm, the loss of fertility can all mean. It is impossible for children to consent to this just as or even more than it is impossible for children to consent to alcohol or cigarettes or tattoos or sex.

"Gender fluidity" implies that male children should be allowed to wear dresses and girl tomboys should be allowed to climb trees without being punished. I agree with that- most gender critical terfs agree with that. Where we disagree is telling children that just because a boy likes pink and playing princess and a girl might like trucks and playing sports means that those kids actually belong to the opposite sex and should be validated as such, that their names and their bodies should be changed, that they should be put on a pathway to transition including puberty blockers, exogenous hormones, and harmful surgeries. I want those kids to completely be themselves , and I want those kids thought that there are no "male" behaviours and "female" behaviours- they can be as masculine or as feminine as they like- that doesnt change their sex or who they are. I want to abolish gender- you want to reify it to be so important it requires sex changes and body modification.

This is exactly what the cass review found- they found that when children were found to be behaving in "gender nonconforming" ways, they would get primed and asked by their teachers and by care workers if they were sure of their "gender identity" and prompted to go on a "gender journey". Kids being kids would see that gay and trans kids were getting praise and attention for being brave. Social contagion is a real thing. Young girls would think " i dont look or feel like a kardashian- i must be a boy". Mermaids- the leader of ngos in youth gender stuff- literally told young boys and girls- that there are GI joes and barbies- and if they are male and think they arent like GI joes or theyre female and they dont feel like or relate to barbie- they should go on a gender journey. That prompts kids to think that the sex their born with is something they should change to match more closely their personality. https://www.transgendertrend.com/questions-school-mermaids-training-teachers/ This is harmful. This suppresses gender nonconforming behaviour in the worst possible way. considering this is mostly being done to kids who will grow up to be gay or are autistic- this is literally conversion therapy and conversion surgery. https://andrewdoyle.substack.com/p/the-new-gay-conversion-therapyhttps://www.theguardian.com/society/2021/may/02/tavistock-trust-whistleblower-david-bell-transgender-children-gidshttps://www.newstatesman.com/politics/health/2024/03/inside-the-collapse-of-the-tavistock-centrehttps://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/it-feels-like-conversion-therapy-for-gay-children-say-clinicians-pvsckdvq2

Medical professionals knew they were doing this- and they continued to do it until those evil bigoted terfs stopped them. The cass review found this and the World professional association for transgender health- the WPATH had its files and emails leaked where doctors were joking about how these kids cannot consent and how they were "transing the gay away".

You think that trans people in india may not buy into child transition- but they absolutely have. Hook line and sinker- there is no dissent in the community because one usually doesnt find dissent in religious groups- because their entire movement is aping what their counterparts in the west did. Do you remember when "Vqueeram" aditya sahai was outed as a fetishist by right wing groups because he was tapped to write a guidance on gender inclusion in schools? Im sure you felt outrage at that. Did you read what was in the guidance? I did. https://clpr.org.in/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/Inclusion_of_Transgender_Children_in_School_Education.pdf Here is a copy. Look up "puberty blockers". The guidance literally says that school teachers- you should know how capable school teachers in india are of making medical diagnoses- should talk to gender non conforming kids about the availability of puberty blockers. that they should " Convey that these are available and accessible for adolescents experiencing gender dysphoria, who may later identify as transgender persons. ". 80% of children and adolescents experiencing dysphoria end up not transitioning- puberty actually solves the dysphoria and they realise they are just gay, regular old boring gay. He wanted to give the same drugs we give to castrate rapists and to cancer patients to those kids. Why? because they acted a little flamboyant?

Do you know what the original reason for puberty blockers and prescribing hormones to kids was? it was because trans identified males were upset they didnt "pass as women" - to the eye in their appearance- because puberty had given them obviously male characteristics- wouldnt it have been wonderful if they had never had those characteristics or were able to block those characteristics from forming so they could have different more feminine appearance. This is a cosmetic intervention. It has nothing to do with suicidality. Children by and large dont commit suicide and when they do the causes are very complex and knotted, and like i have shown elsewhere- not just for children but even for adults- transitioning doesnt lower the risk of suicide infact it may increase it. Because living in a mutilated body that makes you a permanent patient has got to be awful.

This is madness- and this suppresses gender nonconforming behavior through the worst ways- and it wont stop itself if we dont seriously and skeptically reconsider the idea of sexed souls and gendered identities.

Notice- through all of this- I havent denied or compared harms the way you want me to. Im not denying that trans identified males may face harms. Im denying that the solution to those harms is to follow blindly whatever trans people might want- regardless of what rigorous science says or what other groups might be affected. You have an all or nothing approach. I dont. You have decided that anyone who disagrees with you must hate gender nonconformity or hate trans people. You decided at the very outset that disbelief in gender souls was "hate speech". Hate speech used to mean threats, incitement to violence, and slurs. I havent done any of those things. But you have consistently admonished me to be kind while the other guy gets to say women are irrational because of their periods, that we're all bigots for disagreeing, that we're all hateful for daring to have a different opinion and that we're all too stupid and dumb and we dont read because we dont buy the bullcrap judith butler sells. You have done nothing to police his/her tone have you? its only my tone you find objectionable. Because appearing to care about trans people and going on about how beautiful and brave and stunning these people are is more important than actually caring about what happens to women in prisons or children who might be homosexual. That is your measure of kindness and I reject it entirely. Dissent by itself is not unkind unless you are in a religion where apostasy is criminal.

If the only claim of "transwomen" was that they needed protection from discrimination based on gender performance- nobody would disagree. But their claims dont stop there. Its not just- "hijras should be able to get a job" its not just " men who wear dresses should be able to go to universities like everyone else. They arent stopped from those things. Its " you must treat us as women because we say we are women", "why cant we change sex on government ID". The claim isnt " we want separate spaces for protection" or " we want open categories in sports" its "we want to go into the womens room and into womens rape crisis shelters and womens schools and we want to compete in the womens category". No body is protesting trans people competing in open categories- the problem is that male bodied people want to compete in female categories. The problem is that there are no sex segregated spaces anymore because "identity" which is unverifiable undetectable and unfalsifiable is supposed to be more important than sex - which is a material fact in every single mammal. There is only one oppressed community on this planet that you can identify your way into and none of us can say boo according to you- thats women. why is that?

No one is saying we must ignore the material oppression of trans people where this oppression is found- but arguing against discrimination or arguing against material oppression doesnt require i believe their shoddy philosophy or their religious beliefs or practice their rituals. I dont need to believe "trans women are women" to think they shouldnt be raped- I dont think men should be raped. I dont need to believe they are women to think they should be allowed to go to school and get a job like everyone else- they should and people who traffic kids and prevent them from going to school should be jailed and everyone regardless of sex who is trafficked should be offered ways to come out of that "profession" including adult education and skilling and vocational education and university education if theyre capable. You only need to believe that they are women to believe that sex doesnt matter. Male people have all rights every male person has ever had. No male has rights that are exclusive to women- adult human females. thats all im saying- that sex matters.

You need to stop thinking you know what the right answers are or youre on the right side of history because of vibes. All evidence would show that the gender critical terfy side are actually maybe the ones on the right side of history. You cannot be accusing me of hate and ignorance and policing my tone when you cannot honestly say youve considered and read any of the literature ive brought up in this exchange before forming an opinion. I have read judith butler and I proved, I am familiar with statistics on this stuff, I am familiar with the medical aspects of it- i have bothered to find out what hijras are and what intersex is, and ive read studies and papers on gender medicine. I have been in very lib-fem spaces that are all gaga over gender identity nonsense and now im an apostate because- one night- i said - im so sure about this stuff I bet I could listen to what evil terfs say and counter everything. And I couldnt. And I had the decency and honesty to change my mind when confronted by evidence and arguments I had not considered. You dont have that decency or honesty - which is why instead of saying "youre right and im wrong". Youve made it about tone. Instead of acknowledging when I have facts that dont bode well for your argument- you have shifted goal posts.

Transwomen dont harm women- not enough transwomen harm women- not all transwomen harm women- even if they do harm women women should put up with it- youre only concerned because you hate trans people (because its inconceivable someone would actually be concerned about women)- even if they do harm women- those women are probably bigoted anyway so it doesnt matter. This is the narcissists prayer redone. And it follows exactly the pattern your arguments have followed in this exchange. Go look in the mirror.

I feel this is a very relevant topic for LI. A lot of law firm people face this dilemma as well. The fact is that many lawyers prefer a life with money, travel and luxury cars over having kids and spending money on kids. Money is important here. Look at law firm partners: their kids go to good IB schools, then Ashoka or Jindal, then a master's abroad. It's difficult for everyone to replicate this. In fact, even these partners limit themselves to 1 kid. 30 years ago having 2 kids was considered normal. Now no one has more than 1 kid because they can't commit so much time and money, including partners.

P.S. By partners I don't mean super-rich law firm heirs like the children of Cyril and Shardul Shroff. I mean your regular NLU alum partner.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/trending/running-away-from-internet-on-zerodha-co-founder-nikhil-kamath-s-doesn-t-want-to-have-kids-remark-101715843329901.html

My opinion may seem biased but I will try to be impartial as possible.

Fee structure: - Regardless of how rich you are, the fee structure will always be an issue in terms of decision-making. GNLU is bloody expensive, one of my juniors mentioned that it’s apparently 14k USD 💀 for just the tution fees. NUJS on the other hand, has an advantage as the total course fee won’t exceed 45-50 lakhs over the course of your duration. The ROI will be automatically a bit better

Placements: - I always keep on saying this that NUJS has an exceptional placement record. It has a slight edge over GNLU in terms of domestic placements, still, the difference is quite marginal. Plus within the T-1 NLU cohort, there isn’t much of a difference with regards to placements.

Scholarships: - GNLU wins hands down here, you will get a variety of academic scholarships, they have a separate scholarship dedicated to litigation and most importantly some of them don’t even need the income criteria. NUJS lacks a concrete scholarship which can dampen your chances of motivation, considering you are the NRI-S student.

Infrastructure: - As I have heard from my pals, the NUJS BH isn’t that pathetic. It’s tolerable, some rooms are nice while some other rooms are comparatively pale. The GH is terrible btw, however, from the second year everything gets sorted. My biased mentality will creep in here. Please don’t choose a college based on Infra, doesn’t make complete sense. If you are really into luxury, then GNLU can’t offer that either, some rooms are still cramped up.

Location: - Gandhinagar is growing, no doubt about it. But, again by the time you graduate, you are still gonna be hopped up on Kolkata as nujs is still stable and it’s anyway in the heart of Cal.

Final verdict: - Nujs wins, considering your situation, I still feel nujs makes more sense compared to GNLU, although again the difference between them is marginal. Yet for a NRI-S candidate, nujs is proving to be more fruitful.

Where they are coming from is probably how any minority feels when they are sexually shunned. But they should not have said that to you. Personally, I had a wake up call when a friend pointed out that the people I seem to prefer are all upper caste, but they just observed it without calling me casteist. The observation made me reflect and over time change.

You'll do fine OP. It can be difficult to filter out emotions triggered by other people's lashing out and it is human to want to protect oneself. You are already getting there. Remember that you can work to understand why they are angry and where they are coming from without presenting yourself as a target for their anger. I think you are a kind person that hope that you run into more people who see and value your kindness.

51.63% of candidates failed in AIBE 18 exam, reveals RTI reply
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AIBE 18: 1,44,014 candidates appeared for the exam of which 74,368 failed, responded BCI to an RTI plea.

As per the response to a Right to Information filed by Shibu Babu, 1,48,781 students appeared for the exam held on December 10 last year. 74,368 candidates failed the test while over 4,700 were absent. BCI declared AIBE 18 result 2024 on March 26, 2024.

Source - https://news.careers360.com/51-63-percent-of-candidates-failed-in-aibe-18-exam-bci-reveals-rti-reply

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AIBE Exam or All India Bar Exam is literally an open book exam. Even a non lawyer could write the exam. There is no need to study. It's easier than any LLB subject exam.

How is it possible that 51% of candidates fail in the exams?

Are they from fake colleges?

How did they pass LLB if they end up failing in AIBE?

Most LLB subject exams require some prep whereas AIBE doesn't require anything?