I'm very curious to understand the definition of conservative position in the Indian context. I ask this question with genuine curiousity given that the whole "liberal" v. "conservative" movement is primarily a western construct. What features of the conservative political thought is the "Conservative Union of Law" looking to preserve?

If I can get into this deeper - convervatism per wikipedia is, "conservatism is a cultural, social, and political philosophy that seeks to promote and to preserve traditional institutions, practices, and values. The central tenets of conservatism may vary in relation to the culture and civilization in which it appears."

So the first question to ask is - which cultural, social or political philosophy is sought to be promoted and preserved?

As the LegallyIndia moderator has somewhat pointed out - a lot of the "conservative" movement in the online space today is an offshot of the "political right" in the western political movement, whose presense is grounded in bigotry, xenophobia, racism and sexism - and which for some reason, some Indians seem to adopt and call as a political philosophy. If you believe you are not in that bucket - then please highlight specific positions where you are espousing a conservative philosophy that isn't in any of the above mentioned buckets.

Here in India, a lot of our social, political and cultural positioning is a mixture of our colonial history, our independent Indian development and our ancient historical mixture of religions and traditions. It weaves a rich tapestry that is neither easy to categorise as a singular tradition nor a unified culture. So once again - please specifically identify your socio-political positioning before assuming that there is a bias.

Last, before quoting Voltaire - I would strongly suggest that you stop listening to political ideology from the western lens and instead look to first understand the underlying lens basis which you make such demands.

Kudos to the winners! I am actually friends with one of the team members and I know how hard they had worked for this. Outside of LI, in the real world, there is actually no animosity between these places or people from there. The legal fraternity is small enough for us to learn to co-exist together and appreciate each other's good work and fortune. Keep it going!

Expect way more competition in your batch and in future batches. Not just for jobs, but even mooting/ADR/debate opportunities, and opportunities for scholarships will be much harder to get due to the massive batch size. The highest batch size among top NLUs at present is 200-odd at GNLU. Nalsar, NLUD and NUJS have around 120 on average. NLS is going to have 300+120 for 3 year LLB. More than double that of other NLUs. It's going to be tough pickings, I feel. But if JGLS can do it, so can NLS.

A team of three students from the 2025 batch of NUJS has recently won the Stetson International Moot as well as the best speaker in the finals award. It is a good thing for the country, with more than one version of this environmental law moot having been won by Indian law schools in the past.

p.s. Please keep the negativity and trolling away from this post and just be happy for these kids for a change. This post is not meant to brag about the university or compare it with any other university at all. So, the moderator should pay attention and not allow any comments relating to those issues. Plenty of other threads are already full of such vitriol.

From what i can understand t1 law firm salaries are

A0 13 fixed (in hand)+ 2 to 3. Will increase to 20 fixed + 5 to 7

Sa 24 fixed + 6 to 10. Will increase to 27 fixed + 12 to 15 bonus

Pa 30 fixed + 15 to 20 bonus. Will increase to 40 fixed + 20 to 30 bonus average bonus payout is 15 to 25

P1 45 to 50 fixed + 40 to 50 bonus average bonus payout is 30 to 40 after 5 years 100 fixed 100 bonus after ep 900

You should join a college, will already be 25 year old A0 when you graduate, that too if you join now. If you take another drop, the age will be 26. I get that you are no taking a complete drop, but paying a fee for the 1st sem/year and then repeating is a waste of money too. Plus, going abroad for a LLM later in life would be something where you then start taking age into account. Stick to a college.

Its a bit sad that people just give up years for the prestige of Nalsar and NLS B, whereas working hard at any decent college will still land them at a really good place.

After a long time , I see genuine people giving advice (good or bad) to juniors healthily amidst threads of ‘hookup culture’ and lawyers marrying ‘rich clients’.

Coming to this particular thread in hand and especially this comment , lemme give you some pointers which will make you realise your decisions(this is coming from a person who himself took it 4 times and upgraded from a Tier-2 to Top 3 in his last attempt) :-

1. There was a reason why the ‘age limit bar’ was removed. It was 20 years if I am not wrong. The consortium itself found aspirants ranging 21 increasing in the competition and they did deserve a shot- that’s why the age limit cap was waived off anyway.This was also done keeping in mind the other exams of JEE and NEET. Coming to OP , going by his recent comments , he is 19. By the time he enters NLSIU or NALSAR (if he does end up having a great score in Clat 24) he will be 20. So you should retake the exam (only if you are dead sure of ur efforts).

2. You have to understand that people who comfortably fall within the age gap of (19-20) , the majority of them only give it 3-4 times. So your logic of “20+ years” fails because the OP is 19 years. This means that they graduated from high school around the age of 17. There was even an interview where I saw a hardworking boy from Trivandrum making his way to NLSIU from NUALS in his 3rd or 4th attempt I guess (if someone knows about it , then chime in)

3. OP with diligent research on LinkedIn you will find that giving the exam around 19-20 is not uncommon , many people have done it , you won’t be an exception.

4. Now coming to the part where I feel it doesn’t make sense . You are in GNLU or Jindal this year. Majority of aspirants whom I have seen (including me) giving the 4th attempt (regardless of their age) were in Tier-3 or some C-Grade local college who don’t even have the resources for a proper legal education. Going by your thread you have covered literally SLS-P , then Tier -3 (I don’t know who gave you this genius of an advice) and now JGLS or GNLU. What else u need to prove ? I mean don’t get me wrong , but you have done remarkably well and your CV looks good with you being in these colleges . Do you really want to drop another year for NLSIU ? ( Even if you are still 20 when you join law school , there won’t be vast difference as JGLS/GNLU are not that behind Top 3). Think about it , patience brings perspectives. My close frnd (who was more or less in a similar dilemma like u and me) talked with a professor about this , his words were exactly these , “You know you have to work hard in either of these colleges , might as well do it from here.”

5. Last but not the least , if you do end up giving clat , aim for the top 50 ranks . Challenge yourself. Make sure you can grab the ABS scholarship(GNLU although covers it) in which you can add some value to ur attempt. You are in the average batch age-range and still will be when you join NLS/NALSAR , but take a clarified approach.

@Moderator: This is a genuine request as someone who has been with LI from its very inception. I don't really need to visit this place to obtain industry information anymore, but I do enjoy visiting and helping other people when they seek real advice. That's always been a strong point about LI.

However, in this new avatar, there are so many trollish posts here that people who visit for genuinely helping and getting help tend to get lost in all the deluge. The law school flexing and trolling are almost always done by junior students who don't know better, the political baiting posts achieve no objective other than vicious trolling from all parts of the spectrum and there are some plain daft posts that I don't know how gets allowed to begin with. Anyhow, I am not asking you to censor any of those, because freedom of speech etc. However, is it possible to segregate the posts that are actually seeking help or post industry relevant information or crowdsource data? If yes, then those of us who actually visit to help and learn can just go to that part without having to wade through all the other stuff. If not, then I guess after a point, those who have had enough will just stop visiting and leave this forum entirely to trolls. Please look into this request, talk to Kian if you can.

2 attempts is quite normal. I took the CLAT/AILET when there was an age limit bar, though and close to half of my tier-1 NLU batch had also attempted the exam twice. But nowadays, since the age cap was removed, I see people writing it 3-4 times thinking that NLS/Nalsar will drastically change their opportunities. This simply isn't true. While these colleges are relatively better in some ways due to them being the oldest NLUs, the opportunities at places like NLUJ, NLIU and GNLU are not any less. And I say this having had interactions with folks from these other colleges. If you're 20+ years, then it's not worth dropping another year just for CLAT to get NLS.

1. Forget foreign law firms, any good company with smart HR are looking out for people who have achieved excellence in any field. This is about how you project yourself. This is why CV writing is so important.

2. In no way am I trying to diminish the efforts taken to get a gold medal or to reach the international rounds of Jessup. It takes a lot of effort and hard work to get to these places. So I disagree with someone below saying "no one cares". I am sure some folks might. I am just questioning the notion that law firms are not willing to look beyond medals/jessup for their candidates. Perhaps in lower tier colleges they might only be looking at the top rankers, but at NLS, they assumed most candidates were worth considering during my time. Things might have changed since.

3. Having Jessup/Gold medals will secure an interview perhaps, but you still need to prove yourself during the group discussions/interviews. People who are prepared for these stages will fare better than those who walk in without any preparation. This was one of the places I differentiated myself from someone who might definitely had better grades than me.

4. I can't emphasize this enough. Interviews aren't only about proving your competence in the law, it is also about showing the interviewer you are a good person to work with. Personality matters. They are looking for well rounded people, not automatons.

Yeah, I was there a while ago when NLUD was less than a decade old and way more than 50% of the batch had atleast three-digit ranks in CLAT (so they "cracked" CLAT for all intents and purposes and had got some CLAT NLU). Around 20-25 folks had top-200 ranks. And atleast 50% were in the top-500 CLAT ranks (quite a few folks left NLUJ, NLIU and GNLU for NLUD). And this was when the batch was 80, so that number would have presumably increased now. If you're that jobless, you can compare the AILET/CLAT merit lists back when they released names (I did this when I was choosing my law school). The above comment is definitely trollish and misleading and ought to be marked as such, although I doubt any sensible aspirant would take it seriously.

LL.B final year guy from an average college here. Interning at tier 2 GC firm right now.

In 1st yr no firm will take you, try working with advocates. I personally didn't do this though. I knew i wanted to do corporate law so i didn't feel like wasting time doing trial court etc etc. It's not a time waste tbh, it helps but i don't care. What i did and what i would suggest you to do is try getting into in-house legal counsels of companies. I've found that that's an easier route to enter into corporate law and gain some experience. Not necessary you go for any big branded MNC, any decent organisation with a functioning in-house team shall suffice for a start. Also, the smaller startup types take you easily just show that you're sincere and do know a thing or two. For in-house roles, internshaala is good, keep checking up on it regularly, it does come up with good opportunities, although it's garbage for law firm internships. Brush up on contracts law, it'll come in handy. After that once you're in 2nd year, make a list of all boutique firms and all firms that are small or mid sized and thus attainable. Apply to all of them and keep following up from time to time. That's what i did. Also, may to August and December to February is peak time, it's the season when everyone tries to intern so competition is tuff. So for any decent mid-tier firm, you may apply during off-season and with a little bit of luck and reckless follow ups, you might get in.

It's like a ladder, go step wise one at a time, something small low hanging and easy first then something a bit higher and then something a bit even higher.

Intern as much as you can. Try not to waste even a single month. Also, try to specialise, don't be that guy who does ipr for 2 months, litigation for 2 months and then technology law for 2 months, 3yr guys have shortage of time so try to narrow down your interest and work in that domain only. Try to understand that as a 3 yr llb guy, you're at a disadvantage, you have lesser time than 5 yr peeps.

So intern as much as possible, lastly try to get some publications in some nlu journals or national level blogs and journals. It'll help strengthen your profile.

If you do so, you stand a decent shot at getting into a tier 2 by final year.
Lastly, use linkedin, make a good profile on it and try to network. Connect with interns and associates working in your target firms.

By way of an example,%s are not very relevant but CGPA is. For eg, if the CGPA max band is 7, and someone obtains 5.5 average (it’s the average that counts), that’s still very good. Do the calculations accordingly for other CGPA bands. Companies generally do not fix a threshold CGPA number. If she’s in the top 20 percent of her class - that’s good. Beyond CGPA, internships, moots, extra curriculars - go a long way in job applications. Good luck to your daughter!

Firms won’t look t each semester individually. They’ll arrive beginning of 4 th year and if she can pick up her gpa by then she should be fine. The best bet for getting hired in campus placements is to be in the top 20% of your graduating class. Depends on which NLU however , in some there are fewer opportunities. In which case she will need to apply and work hard at internships and try and get a pre placement offer.

This is an overstatement. NLUD’s placements are good and opportunities are definitely available but in absolute numbers, not as high as the older ones (NLS, NALSAR, NUJS and NLUJ). Percentage-wise, based on the number of folks who opt for placements, the numbers are good (around 70-80% on average, few batches had even 100%). A substantial portion do go for UPSC, graduate studies and litigation, and contrary to what people here say, most of them don’t do it because they can’t get a job but because they actually want to. Many of our UPSC toppers didn’t even sit for placements.

All the top foreign and Indian law firms come to recruit but I think places like NUJS and NALSAR tend to also bring in more tier-2 firms and PSUs to get more jobs, something NLUD RCCs had struggled to do as regularly, atleast when I was there. The lack of an established alumni base does make this more difficult, but that cannot be offset in the short-term.

Having graduated from NLUD, you do need a decent batch rank to get tier-1 firms (preferably, top 50% - when I was there the batch size was still 80). People that don’t maintain their grades will find it hard to land the top jobs unless they have other significant co-curricular interests/achievements.The people that are “frustrated” are usually folks that neglect academics and relevant internships till 4th year and then realise it’s too late by the time placement season/Day-Zero comes around. Otherwise, it’s not that difficult to get placed in a tier-1 firm from NLUD if you work hard.

TT&A is quite famous for being the firm with among the best work cultures, they do take Non-NLU interns and do so quite regularly, and pay them the same. Once you get in you will be greeted with very welcoming associates who are actually willing to work with you to improve your work.

If you've applied and not able to get in, these could be few things holding you back:

- Unstructured CV (it matters and quite frankly a good CV will help you far ahead than simply getting an internship, so spend some time on it!)

- Cutting corners in their application form (they're very vigilant about this, and they really do mean every subject you've had in college and school (10th and 12th))

- Simply bad luck (They run out of internship slots quite fast so apply ahead and if possible apply for a longer tenure and choose whichever month you get. Fairly easy in 4th and 5th year, understandably difficult in 3rd.) eg. rather than applying for May, 202X, simply write your preferences (May - July; August - December; January - March)

The Delhi Bar Council recently released a notification vide which only candidates having Voter ID Cards / Aadhar Cards having a Delhi NCR address will be considered eligible for the purposes of enrollment.

This move is a significant departure from the subsisting practice of considering a valid rent agreement as sufficient proof of residence.

For a law graduate keen on practising in the courts of Delhi, but having a permanent residence in some other state, this move is a hammer blow. The earlier practice of accepting a valid rent agreement as proof of residence is sufficient to curtail the enrollment of law graduates who have no intention of carrying out their practice in Delhi.

1. You can get enrolled with any state bar council.

2. As soon as you want to start giving legal advice to your clients in your own name, or the firm where you work can start billing in full for your work (latter may be a little flexible depending on the firm practice).

1. Basics of Contracts and 2 situational based questions (might depend from team to team but if you are in it for GC, then expect a lot of grilling questions on indemnity, pledge and term sheets)

2. An HR which will be shadowed by 2 other team members (1 Counsel and 1 Partner in my case)

3. Not more than 15 minutes if you are able to tackle things effectively.

4. Completely depends on the team; expect a lot of competition for the GC team since everybody want to go for the same. Banking & Finance seems like a more viable option at KCO to be very honest considering the fact that the attrition is high and chances of getting a PPO shall increase manifold (specifically in the Bombay office).

5. Mumbai only. A lot of these law firms have college cults and PPOs are rolled out in teams to mostly those who come from the same law school as the managing partner(s)/key team members since they find it easier to be "seen" and to establish a strong flair with the team as a whole; which again is not always merit based.

6. Banking & Finance, Projects, Tax & Competition (Please do not target Capmarks, GC or Disputes since a lot of PPOs for the same have been rolled out in December of last year).

Best of luck!!!

Says was mastermind surprise stroke without consultation: 99% of lawyers will be unaffected, but prima ballerinas of top teams in firms will move out

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ft493d5WYAAjMgC.jpg

US "Biglaw" is more prestigious than Magic circle.

1. Much much higher revenues

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_law_firms_by_revenue

2. Work on much bigger deals

https://www.kirkland.com/services/practices/transactional/mergers--acquisitions

3. Have more functional international offices

https://www.kirkland.com/offices

https://www.lw.com/en/offices

4. Pay their Associates much much higher, more than even investment bankers/ Experiences engineers at FAANG

https://www.biglawinvestor.com/biglaw-salary-scale/

5. Great perks for everyone- high bonuses, other gifts, (yes also business class travel for all associates if you travel for work)

Sladden Arms offered iPads last year to all its associates, another offered a whole Yard Barbeque grill

https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/more-law-firms-join-end-of-year-bonus-race-following-cravath-2021-11-24/

One firm pays 100 percent bonus to first year associates (400K), but makes them work 3500 hours billable.

5. PPP is really high due to Point 1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_United_States-based_law_firms_by_profits_per_partner

But depends on what you mean by "prestigious". Let me let you into the downsides.

1. Much higher billable hour requirements. Kirkland UK- work from 9 AM to 11PM on a NORMAL Day. Most leave or asked to leave in 3 years due to this.

https://www.businessinsider.in/careers/news/junior-lawyers-at-a-leading-us-firm-clocked-off-at-1128-pm-on-average-during-lockdown-a-survey-found/articleshow/87488144.cms

Ironic- have a good laugh- https://www.kirkland.com/-/media/publications/article/2021/01/strategies-for-achieving-work-life-balance-in-bigl/vault-career-advice-strategies-for-achieving-work.pdf

2. Work culture is very horrible as it borrows from the US workaholic culture. Magic circle is more relaxed and respect peoples time in holidays. Never the case in Biglaw

3. The intake is much lower for non US students.

4. They take few associates but manage a hell lotta work. So you could be staffed on multiple deals at once.

5. HR is horrible and just a rubber stamp like in one Indian firm I worked at

6. Has fierce competition among associates, partners, firms, client works.

I have clearly stated that this figure applies only if you want the best for your child. If you want your child to go to a Kendriya Vidyalaya instead of Ambani or Doon, or attend a local college instead of Ashoka or Jindal, or go to holidays in Shimla instead of Switzerland, that's a different matter. Then just 1 crore should be enough, instead of 6 crores.

Best advice would be to stop thinking about it as a repeat year; rather, think of it as an additional year to rectify all your mistakes and improve yourself. That extra year would be compensated for if you fill your CV with quality moots, publications, ADR competitions, etc.

Focus on learning as much as you can.

The cost of bringing up a child today, if you want the best:

Rs 1.2 crores for 12 years at a good IB school

Rs 50 lakhs to study at Ashoka, Jindal etc (if the child cannot crack the top NLUs or DU colleges)

Rs 1 crore for a masters abroad

Rs 3 crores for general upbringing and living costs over 25 years (food, clothes, holidays, toys, sports lessons etc)

So around Rs 6 crores total.

Before being anything else a law firm or a law practice is a business that provides people legal services for a fee. Like all businesses there are business costs. In this case, you are a business cost. The partners of the law firm have clients who pay them for services.

They pay you to help them provide those services, or in some case completely provide those services to those clients. When they take your cost and other costs and compare it with the fee, they hope to make a profit.

How the business is cast is that even the partners are included as business costs. This means everyone's target is usually their cost + team cost + share of overheads + profit target. Depending on how lucky you are, you may end up working for three kinds of partners:

A. The Rainmaker: This partner has a big book of their own and uses the resources to actually help get the job done and not just play arbitrage. This partner's team will have some highly talented people so your learning will be fantastic. This partner is also someone who will eventually need to drop clients as their practice expands. So if you're in their team, they will help you with book building in case you succeed in making partner. But on the flip side, the team culture will be super toxic as everything turns on one personality. There will be things like personal loyalty requirements, working late hours without actual reason. Since this partner pays well, they will expect you to be personally loyal, so in case they move, they will expect you to join them. But you will get a good bonus and you will make good money.

B. The Cutter: This partner's book is largely comprised of work referred by the other partners which will be in their area of domain expertise. They don't fully understand that they also now are a part of the Business and therefore are wary of taking any creative or bold new moves. So what they do is run a ship that is lean and where the costs are kept to a minimum. They hope to meet their target solely or majorly with cross referenced work. Unlike with the Rainmakers, this team is one where the partner is an expert in their domain. There will be close interaction and direct learnings. The hours will be hell, but they will be meaningful late hours cause there will be actual work to do. It won't be waiting up for something to be reviewed etc. They will treat you as one of their team and make you work directly with them in cases if it means getting the job done on time. The team culture will be toxic as there will be more than one personality who has a cult. This is cause the Cutter cannot on their own have a personality that dominates. This has its ups and downs but also means perhaps playing a more exhausting from of politics than with other teams. Eventually the Cutter builds a book, not a big one but a book and you may make partner too. But you won't have the skills to do it anyway except the cross referenced way and you will always feel insecure about targets.

C. The Stud: This partner exists only because they have a way of networking with people and doing business development at an unheard of scale. Because of this, firms which have Studs, often exempt them from actually have to practice any law at all. They will just need sufficient legal information to have a conversation with someone who has a legal problem. Their goal is securing the mandate and their business model is outsourcing performance to other partners. They do either having large teams with leadership hires (salaried partners/ Principals) who handle the legal end of things or referring work to other partners but taking a cut of the billings by topping up the internal invoice. Joining this team is like actually joining a firm within a firm. You will get to learn a lot of about lot of areas of law but no one area in actual depth. This allows you to become a generalist and eventually pivot into a practice area you find enjoyable. The pay in this team will be good. Bonuses won't be the best except for really senior people. The team culture will be super vulnerable to nepotism, egos, high stress and an element of hero worship. Hours will be insane as you cater to the ego of one person almost all the time. But in a few years you can leave and join another team or even another firm and they will take you.

The rule of thumb is three. Your Retainer x 3 = your minimum billing target. Anything higher than you may get a bonus. Anything lower, then you're probably looking at the sack. Some firms have it higher with x4 to x5. But if you are in a decent ship x3 will be minimum. This is not a revenue target. This is a billing target and it applies to everyone including an A0. The work you do it is billed for, and you're normally paid 1/5th that price per hour. So do the math, your hourlies are insane.

Every major firm you go to will probably be like this. Plan for it and then see how you want to steer your endgame. Don't expect a starry eyed surprise, there is no DJ.

Given the above my only advise to you is:

Please fill in your timesheets daily.

This is totally incorrect on multiple levels.

1. Doing a VS isn't the only way, you also have the Direct TC route. Look it up.

2. TOP 5 NLU IS CAP- Someone from SLS Pune got into Links last year - look it up - don't say exceptions are always there since there are no exceptions to prerequisites - ye top 5 NLU wali baat iss bande ne prerequisite jaisi sound karai hai

3 - For A&O, you only have to study for the SQE 1 remotely - prep lasts 5-6 months - you are paid a maintenance grant for that - SQE 2 you take when you commence your TC in London - PS - you don't prepare for x months and take the exams ek saath - prep time ke beech me hee exams hote hain -

TC to associate isn't that difficult - sure if you underperform you'll be fired but the firm isn't training you, paying for your SQE, paying you a maintenance grant just to say goodbye after 2 years - think of this from their side

Trainee pay isn't peanuts- people survive on a lot less in London - it's the top 1 percentile pay in the city dude.

110k stagnancy is a joke - use reddit - i can confirm that the numbers are north of 135k for an A2 at Freshfields and they increase steadily - partner makes 600k easy , equity partners are million +

The jessup point is correct - so nothing wrong here

A little Googling goes a long way, especially if you don't want to pay a CA for filing your taxes. To spoon feed you the answer, cleartax is simple and easy. But, it is best if you actually know the provisions which impact you and how you can save taxes. Even if you read the primary material (IT Act and its rules), it will take you not more than 30 hours.

NUJS has debarred over 150 students from taking exams due to attendance shortage and threatened to do the same for students with unpaid fees. All of this on the night before the exam. And the ▮▮▮ of SJA has been abusive to juniors seeking genuine exemptions, violating their right to a respectful learning environment.

A second year student: .....It has also been brought to notice that at the previous Student Council meeting concerns were raised as to the “academic rigour of the college dropping” and the need to strictly enforce the attendance requirements and debar students to set an example. The sja has previously pushed the attendance requirement down to 50% and it is much needed this semester. Please clear the air on this.

A third year student: Why is no one bringing up the fact that the DEBARMENT LIST was released 12 hours before the first exam? If 'academic rigour' is the concern here, why didn't the admin rigorously pursue this sooner
A fifth year student: It is extremely irresponsible of the Admin to release the debarment notice at the eleventh hour, quite literally. To make matters worse, not only is the SJA not rallying hard enough to resolve this issue but also, we’re being no information whatsoever as to whether or not we’ll even be allowed to appear for tomorrow’s exam. This is extremely anxiety inducing and while nothing can be put past the Admin, the SJA is supposed to be in our corner and keep us in the loop so we would really appreciate if the SJA stepped up a little atp.

Another third year student: I understand that multiple students have not paid fees for semesters, but sometimes the default is due to reasons beyond our control. Banks do not process loans on time despite submitting documents. Moreover, the notice that students won't be allowed to write exams came on 8th April, i.e. Saturday, which was holiday. Some students haven't got even a week to communicate to bank authorities.I request the student body to help us and atleast not prevent us to write exams, especially without adequate notice.

Of late, I personally feel, college has become insensitive with directions like restraining from mess food, communicating strict enforcement of attendance requirements at last moment and now non allowance from writing exams despite genuine requests and not adequate notice.

Well it's true! The reason why it's above NLSIU and others is, because of being neglected, they'll open 10 more NLUs but not completely overhaul and revolutionize the historic law college of not just India but Asia, it's history and allumni is as precious as anything, but being left at the hand of state government and attaching it with MU which hardly does anything. Since, it's part of MU where it's more of business then quality pedagogy it's bound to die due to slow poison. They won't make it autonomous and it would die. Imagine a college established in 1855s and still not one among top 3 college of country, what amount of mishandling the government and authorities must have done to completely devalue it's rich heritage.

Speaking of it, it's good college, but it's similar to like nokia in upcoming world of Android.

It stayed the way it was, other progressed and changed and with the glorification of hostel-college education, it will be just a glorified college of past.

But it will take another decade or so. But it does give all of it which an NLUs give with just no show off.

Hi, as a student at GLC Mumbai, I would like to offer a more nuanced perspective on the placements situation at our institution. Apologies for the long reply.

Firstly, it is important to note that the average package for our students is not necessarily as high as 16-17 LPA. While it is possible for a few to secure such high-paying packages, it is not a common occurrence for the majority of the batch. In reality, around 60-70 students have been placed, and the packages that they receive vary depending on the firm and position.

Secondly, GLC is a unique law school in the sense that our batch size is much larger than most other NLUs. With 240 students in the five-year course, many of our classmates focus their time and energy on internships throughout their studies. Our placement committee is extremely efficient student-run body that provides students with opportunities for internships and placements throughout the year.

In addition, we have dedicated T1 A0 hiring in August, but these firms also come to GLC for internships, articled clerkships, and paralegal positions at various times during the year. We also have placement weeks in November and February, during which numerous firms, chambers, corporates, banks, and big 4 companies come to college to hire interns, clerks, paralegals, and associates.

It is worth noting that many students at GLC come from influential families, particularly those with a legal background, and they often do not apply for placements as they already have their career paths charted out. A substantial percentage of our batch is deeply interested in pursuing litigation and may not necessarily apply for T1 firms. Instead, they often choose to go for chamber practice or litigation firms.

Lastly, it is not uncommon for students from GLC to pursue non-law careers after graduation. In fact our annual magazine even has a dedicated section featuring alumni who have excelled in non-law careers. Many from my batch are currently working with startups, media, political parties, and pursuing or planning to pursue a second degree such as CA, CS, ACCA, FRM, and MBA.

Overall, while the quality of education imparted by the college is lacking, GLC still holds a good standing due to its relaxed attendance policy, brand name/goodwill, and the impressive alumni network. (I am not sure, for how many more years, all this will keep the college at a good standing)

In conclusion, most students chart out their own paths since their is no mentorship offered by the college and most of its professors. It is only through building a solid relationship with your peers, seniors and juniors one is able to get some sort of guidance. And there is no horde to join just T1 firms.

Hope this helps.

Currently working as an Associate (PQE 5 Years) in a litigation firm but want to take the baby steps towards getting clients on my own and setting up my own litigation practice now, while not yet leaving my job.

Should I first make visiting cards and a small fact sheet about the kind of matters that I do, my experience and my charges, and then go knock on the doors of other individual Advocates/Law Chambers. Introduce myself, hand them my card and fact sheet, and request them to refer work that they may not have the bandwidth to handle by themselves.

For reference I am based in Mumbai, and the lower courts here are spread far and wide without any system of VC hearing. For a lawyer based in one part of town it would be quite difficult to attend matters in different courts on the same day. I could offer to attend matters in different courts and also offer drafting services for lawyers who don't have a large team and are unable to service all the client's work.

Is this a wise way to go about ? Asking for referred work from other lawyers?

As a queer person, I find this whole thing rather dull and not worth the time. Yeah, I am Queer. So what? We are a reserved country. We don't like throwing our sexuality in other people's faces. Even straight people don't do it. They all have the decency to hide behind umbrellas on Marine Drive when they do their shit. This identity politics is pathetic to be fair.

What LGBTQ people need is not to be treated differently or recognised. I want run of the mill ordinary life. I want to be judged by the content of my character and not the person I want to sleep with. This hyper-sexualised environment that the LGBTQ movement creates, sends a lot of us sensible queers (who are in formal professions and have been for a while) straight back to the closet. We don't want to be associated with a movement that demands we be sexualised before we can claim our identity.

Honestly?

You don’t understand what the government is doing wrong because you don’t know history.

Did the Mughals commit atrocities ? Yes. Were they motivated by religion? More often than not - no. They were motivated by power and empire building. They had just as many instances where they had happy alliances with Hindu kings as wars with Hindu kings. They had just as many instances of building temples and punishing soldiers who rampaged villages as they did instance of destroying temples. History is complicated. The Mughals built an empire not just through conquest but also - treaty and friendships.

Should we be teaching the history of the southern / eastern India more ? Yeah likely. But adding that does not need to mean reducing the Mughal history.

The reason Gandhi and Nehru are taught far more than Bose or whoever - is because Gandhi and Nehru were simply more popular than any one else. It’s incontestable. Subhash chandra Bose wouldn’t have been able to win elections in india for decades after independence. Most people in large parts pof the country felt no affinity for him. Maybe many people didn’t feel affinity for Nehru or Gandhi either. But Nehru and Gandhi made political friends and allies with regional leaders, something Bose didn’t. Big things like independence are achieved through collaboration between many kinds of actors. Besides it’s probably just as true that England couldn’t afford the colonies as big as India in the aftermath of world war 2. And if you teach Bose you have to teach the Nazi stuff.

The school history curriculum isn’t great - it has been cannibalised over the years to accommodate political interests. Our students don’t learn how to think historically or understand historical information meaningfully. This latest attempt to skew it even more is a difference in kind not in degree.

On the contrary, I have always wanted to marry a lawyer and that preference still remains. I would prefer to marry/date a lawyer over a non-lawyer. 2 out of my 3 ex boyfriends have also been lawyers. I just think that (personally) I bond better with a lawyer, we are more like minded and have a lot more to talk about. It's always fun to have a nice debate, and idk how to explain it but a lawyer just gets you, understands the pressures of the profession, and how demanding it can be. Also, I'm socially awkward, so it's just easier to break the ice with a lawyer, and there will ALWAYS be something to talk about with a lawyer. Lastly, (and this is totally in my head) but I generally view lawyers as more intellectually compatible with me than non lawyers.

Also, given how long our working hours are, how do you even meet and bond with non lawyers lmao?

Got a ppo from TL recently, so can answer this.

1) Many, 10-15 atleast since I was getting work from teams of 2 partners, but had a strong connection with some SA's of one team, so got major work from them. Was even asked to sometimes not take work from others :) got recommended from this team only.

2) Yes, all of my work was from SA's, little from a counsel. Associates rarely gave any work.

3) no, I was exempted from doing the end of internship presentation since was involved in a lot of work. But my team regularly involved me during meetings and consultations with the partner, which helped me a lot in getting noticed by the top person.

4) lot of work. As an intern, I had an average working day of around 10-12 hours on most days. Worked for 4 to 5 hours on a few weekends too. There were days when I had zero work, but those were far and few in between. In this free time, I sampled different types of coffee from their super costly coffee machine xD

1. "procedura etiquette" lol

2. OP didn't mention they are 'corporate' or 'woke', just asked for advice. No reason to be cocky.

3. The BCI rules actually state this:

(a) Black full sleeve jacket or blouse, white collar stiff or soft, with white bands and Advocates’ Gowns. White blouse, with or without collar, with white bands and with a black open breast coat.

Or

(b) Sarees or long skirts (white or black or any mellow or subdued colour without any print or design) or flare (white, black or black stripped or grey) or Punjabi dress Churidar Kurta or Salwar-Kurta with or without dupatta (white or black) or traditional dress with black coat and bands.

Nothing about 'fluttering' - which would actually be very inconvenient for everyone in court.

Moving from Lit to In-house at the A4 level is very hard. Most Litigation people in In-House Roles come after like 8-12 PQE. You can apply for an entry level position at an In-House and move to corp within that system. It may make more sense. Take it as someone with 12PQE in Litigation. Only now do I get calls with the proper in-house roles.

Also consider applying to a company that has a lot of litigation. Consider Construction Companies, Real Estate Companies, Banks and NBFCs.

1. They will be bailed by governments pretty soon, smaller banks by larger banks, not much concern for us normal depositors.

2. Not gonna really effect us considering the shift in dependence to the west

3. Has always been happening, failed to materialise due to impasse over an impending very costly war

4. Medical Experts have stated yesterday, that the cases will peak in the next ten days. It is of no concern as the vaccines are effective against the new strain as well.

5. Rise of AI, many companies just following the others and cutting costs, how will it affect lawyers?

6. There are quite a lot of legal developments in the recent budget sessions- Competition bill, data protection, crypto, space policy, gaming policy, foreign investment, tariff and non tariff measures, overhaul of GST and Tax policy,. Some interesting judgements will reach closure in the next month before the vacations- gay marriage, Karnataka Bill, death penalty review

No we are not, don't be so pessimistic like the morning media. Statistics and Facts would show that we(Indians) are currently living in the most happy and convenient time that anytime in all of history. Stop cribbing and grab a drink with your pals.

A Training Contract (TC) is given after you get a Vacation Scheme (Vac Scheme). They only care for grades, you need to be in the top 5 ranks of a top 5 NLU, that's it, then clear a rigorous process.

Even if you achieve a TC, you will have to go through the SQE training process for about 20 months, and then write SQE 1, which is an examination based on British Law, written by English and foreign (all countries) students, so you may not stand a chance really. This year the pass percentage was 51%.

Then you have to wait for 5-6 months and then write the SQE 2, which is a bit easier as it is based on personality tests, but the results are out late.

Once this happens, over 2 years, you become a registered solicitor (SRA) and then begin your TC for 2 years with 4 sittings. After then you still have to go through a gruelling process and competition, to finally get selected as an Associate.

Mind you, you won't get paid for the 2 years while preparing and hopefully clearing the SQE. The 10k pounds grant (Only Magic circle law firms- only Links and HSF are hiring Indians recently) is simply not enough to sustain in London for that much time.

After you get the TC, it's still going to be hard to sustain in the 50-60k, do consider the 45% taxation in London, UK along with other charges like health cess. And then finally you may end up being an associate. Then to your disdain and shock, your pay will remain the same 100k-110k over the next 8-9 years (Tax alert), considering you don't get fired sooner as these firms have an up or out policy.

After that they make you a salaried partner/ counsel and your pay may become 200k, but it's rare that an Indian achieves this (2 in the last decade). Forget equity partnership.

Coming back to your question, no a gold medal, meaning a 1st in a subject, will be considered to be much much much more critical than a Jessup, which firms don't really care about actually.

Also you are talking about 'qualifying Jessup'. It may make a minute impression only if you 'Win' the world rounds of the Jessup.

Hi,

You may find some answers to your questions in these two posts:

Post 1: https://indconlawphil.wordpress.com/2018/10/22/on-the-ethics-of-representation-in-an-adverserial-legal-system-a-response-i-guest-post/

Post 2: https://indconlawphil.wordpress.com/2018/10/22/on-the-ethics-of-representation-in-an-adverserial-system-a-response-ii-guest-post/

I appeared for CLAT in 2018 and secured a rank within 1000. I was allotted DSNLU Vizag, and after applying for upgradation, was allotted CNLU Patna. Both of these are good law schools too, but I opted for SLS, Pune after clearing SLAT and the GD-PI process, due to its great alumni base, location, opportunities for networking etc. Some people also get in through management quota (by paying more.)

I'm set to graduate this year and have secured placement in a Tier - 2 firm with a package of 12 LPA (fixed) through campus recruitment. I'll share my experience with you, and highlight the pros and cons, so that you can make an informed choice:

1. Academics: The faculty consists of a a mix of some very good professors, who will help you out with research, collaborate with you for publications, teach their subject well and will be approachable throughout the 5 years that you spend here. At the same time, you'll meet Professors who may not be so invested and may not be so good at teaching/research.

2. Access to learning resources: We have a great library, where you'll find the latest versions of books in any area of law. Also, we are given access to an e-library, which includes all major legal database used for research (Manupatra, SCC Online, Lexis Nexis, West Law, AIR, and many other portals).

3. Research: Our research cell is not very active and like most NLUs, we do not have Centres dedicated to researching on niche areas of law. However, I have seen my peers/seniors publishing their work in SCOPUS journals, NLU journals and blogs etc. You can also collaborate with good Professors, who will be willing to help you publish in good journals.

4. Internships: It will be very easy for you to secure good internships, even without contacts. And no, you don't have to be rich/have contacts within law firms for getting internships. Every month, our placement cell shares internship opportunities at several Tier-1/Tier-2/Tier-3 firms, companies with in-house legal teams, start-ups etc, to which you may apply, and secure the internship through the placement cell. You'll need to maintain good grades to get shortlisted through the cell. However, many people secure internships purely through networking with alumni/seniors as almost every tier-1 firm has one Partner from SLS and has SLS alumni working across all levels in the firm. With decent grades and some networking, you'll easily secure good internships. I'm saying this, coming from a middle-class family, with no lawyer in my family.

5. Placements: Our batch (which includes both BBA LLB and BA LLB students) has a strength of around 300. Till date, around 140 students have been placed through Campus Recruitment with several others having secured PPOs through assessment internships. For the rest, a majority of them are doing assessment internships and are expected to be placed by May/June or have plans for higher studies, judiciary etc. If you manage to maintain a decent CGPA (8+/10), you'll not have a problem getting shortlisted for campus recruitment. We had AZB, Trilegal, Khaitan, SAM, Bharucha, DSK Legal, Argus and Partners, ICICI Bank, Wipro, EY ( to name a few) and several other top recruiters come to our campus for placement this year. People from my batch have secured PPOs across all good law firms/companies through internships as well (for example, at NDA, ELP, IP firms that do not come to campus etc). Unless you slack off throughout the 5 years and don't make an active effort to keep good grades, placement won't be a problem for you.

6. Moots: You can look up online and find out for yourself that SLS has an amazing mooting culture, and apart from internal moots that everyone gets to participate in, students from SLS regularly win accolades at prestigious national/international moots, such as the Philip. C. Jessup International Law moot, Nelson Mandela World Human Rights Moot, Stetson International Environmental Law Moot, Oxford Price Media Moot (South Asia rounds) Louis M. Brown and Forrest S. Mosten Client Counsultant Competition, GNLU Investment and Securities Law moot etc. The list is long. Also, the college reimburses all your expenses for the moot, so that everyone can participate.

7. Accommodation: The hostels are pretty clean, spacious and well-maintained, there is little to no bullying (at least in my time there), the food is good. You can opt out of hostel and stay at a PG/Flat on a sharing basis if you want to spend less on accommodation.

8. Campus Life: Contrary to what you may have heard, there are people from all economic backgrounds studying here as it is a decent alternative to the mid-tier/lower NLUs, albeit with higher tuition fees. Not denying that there are some extremely rich kids too, but in my batch itself, we have so many people from middle-class families (including me), who are very conscious about spending money wisely during college. You'll meet some really, really, smart and kind people, who'll support you through your law school journey. There will also be people who may while away their time doing drugs, partying every other night, but you'll never be forced to associate with them. You choose your own circle and I can assure you that a majority of the batch would consist of kind, smart, helpful people.

9. The city: It's one of the best cities you can be in, it's pretty safe, has good weather, you can have a bustling social life and make good memories here, if you decide to join. Also, quite a few law firms have a Pune office too, so it might be easy for you to intern there, whole staying at the hostel/PG.

Good luck!

I hope you are doing well! I don't know you or your issues that well, but maybe you should try to find the reason, maybe this is your perception of what others are thinking or could be a mental health concern like body dysmorphia, etc. Maybe you can talk it out, consult a professional and try to find out.

I am a female, I've had some experience of it as a teen where I had insecurities about my appearance despite the fact that most people have given me positive compliments. Over time, I have realized beauty is extremely subjective, comes from years of conditioning by media and society, and not that important in the list of other things. Especially in the legal field, I think it does not play that a big role but I am guessing in you social and dating life, it might. But at the end of the day, I guess it is okay to have people who value us for us, rather than our face and body, so losing out those people should be fine right?

I have a friend whose parents sold their house to sponsor her education in SLS-P. I don't really know how she is doing right now, but the decision to do that was beyond my understanding since she had a reserved quota.

If you have some kind of reservation too, be it domicile or anything, then don't shy away from taking another drop year while getting yourself admitted to a local college.

Coming back to the question, SLS-P is quite a competitive law school as far as I've heard. If you're confident enough that you'll get placed one way or the other and maintain your enthusiasm throughout the length of the course, then I would definitely suggest that you go for it. There is no possible way one could fail to get placed in an ever-growing market like the legal sector from an institute like SLS-P after giving their 100%.

Best of luck!

▮▮▮. Anyway, I was in the same position (PPO from 111yo T1), and I basically explored other type of work environments (non-law based) through physical/virtual internships. And, learnt about finance. More importantly, try to reach out to all your batchmates, not too late to make new friends because believe me, you’ll miss them once you start your job even if you didn’t know them.

Seriously man.

At my first job the boss used to write dates in "Dd.mm.yyyy" format everywhere and wanted it to be uniform in all drafts (fair enough). This boss was also fussy about adding "Mr." and "Ms." before the names of each recipient of a Legal Notice (seriously - this is not the norm at all !).

At my second job the Firm used "7th April 2023" format of dates and insisted on it being a uniform thing in all drafts (again, fair enough). Only that I took nearly a month to unlearn the muscle memory of the previous format and in that 1 month the Partner got pissed whenever I messed up the date format.

At my current job the Firm uses "Dd/mm/yyyy" format and again insists on it being uniform in all drafts.

Why can't all Indian lawyers and law firms use one uniform format for Dates throughout the country ? Why does each firm or partner come up with their own format and treats it as gospel ! What new change should I expect at my next job ? !

Ideally the SC should prescribe a uniform date format to be used by all firms in all pleadings filed in all forums !

You can’t” skip” a year. University isn’t school and the subjects were teaching year to year are distinct and only somewhat related. They’re not usually sequential. If you’re doing calculus and you have prior knowledge you can take a test to show that you belong in calc 301 instead of calc 101.

But if you did very well in contracts that doesn’t mean you know consti law.

You’ll need a number of credits to graduate also.

Having said that- I did know one person who took so many extra credits in his fourth year that his fifth year was basically free. The university didn’t have rules for finishing early- but he spent the time interning.

[This] valid question was put forward few weeks back in LI regarding skipping a year in NLUs due to academic excellence (just like some US unis) - any answer to this ? Seems like some NLUs can imply this rule for toppers

(https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/252380-can-any-student-skip-a-particular-year-at-nlu-owing-to-academic-excellence-or-some-tests)

Being shared on Twitter and going viral, but the actual sources is an older Washington Post article.

This got me thinking: How many CLAT aspirants, or even NLU students, can crack this paper? Are we smarter than our ancestors and our academic standards higher?

https://twitter.com/creation247/status/1643629389328834560

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/century-old-8th-grade-exam-can-you-pass-a-1912-test/2012/01/04/gIQAxjC00P_blog.html

Sorry to sound cynical, but I think this question needs to be asked, because you see if the compendium it is a very simple compilation of information that any student can compile after a few hours of research (indeed, a group of NLU students are credited as RAs). I think a lot more is expected of a big law firm like Khaitan. For example, look at the links I have shared, from Allen & Overy. Not only do they actively promote a culture of inclusiveness within the firm and celebrate their LGBTQ+ employees, but they also give pro bono advice to LGBTQ+ groups. To make a real impact Khaitan should do that. For example, they should be supporting the petitioners in the following cases, despite the political risks of doing so:

- the same-sex marriage PIL

- cases of police harassment and custodial torture of LGBTQ+ communities

- cases raging of homophobic/queerphobic/transphobic hate speech

That, to me, is genuine support.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/khaitan-co-launches-compendium-on-lgbtqia-rights

https://images.assettype.com/barandbench/2023-04/4cd21dbf-77af-42b7-aa73-67f67f6ab053/Compendium_on_LGBTQIA__Rights.pdf

https://www.allenovery.com/en-gb/global/about_us/all_in/supporting_our_lgbtq_colleagues_and_communities

https://www.allenovery.com/global/-/media/allenovery/2_documents/news_and_insights/publications/2019/8/aout-lgbt_matters.pdf?rev=0141f41b42554a778e40714b76c0e826

Sure, follow all the tips given above by well meaning folks, but you don't have to aim at monumental changes to change your life.

You can make very small changes just by changing your attitude/approach to life and those around you.

The main source of your pain is because in a group of people you think, "Hey there, look who has arrived". Ditch that.

Instead think, "Look over there, how amazing you are".

Then see the magic.

I'm amazed that we even have 125 law firms in India! Does the list include firms outside Delhi, and Mumbai then? e.g. Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Chennai, Kolkata, Pune, Ahmedabad, Chandigarh, Kochi etc?

Also, can someone share the letter and full list of signatories?

This is a very big development. Only if there is a counter-letter by the NLU alumni/student associations will such a move be countered

https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indian-law-firms-ask-entry-foreign-firms-be-put-hold-letter-2023-03-31/

Young lawyers: 😎

Law students: 😍

SILF: 😾

https://www.law.com/international-edition/2023/04/03/japanese-big-four-law-firm-plans-office-launch-in-india/?slreturn=20230305032300

https://www.ft.com/content/83e4a08c-228b-4aca-b30a-edb1d2e6409e

Non-paywall:

https://ustimespost.com/international-law-firms-win-chance-to-expand-in-india/

What worked for me and some of my friends was this. Read more books/articles (not social media posts which may not be in correct English), and watch more English TV shows & movies. Expose yourself more to the language and let it come to you naturally. It will take some time, but it will work.

Finally, after years of struggle and tussle with the Admin and the VC, the constitution of the SBA NLUJ was notified; with the departure of Poonam Pradhan Saxena in July and the establishment of S.B.A., NLUJ is all set to regain its past glory days.

Source: http://www.nlujodhpur.ac.in/news_detail.php?news=1034

I know that 17 year olds are excited about university. But this sort of question is stupid and at least in my day you’d get teased for it. Nalsar isn’t a movie. It’s a real place with real people. You go there you’ll figure it out. In the mean time do what you can to prep for university level education.

Not gonna lie, I was considering Bits Law as an alternative for myself due to the following reasons:

1. Mumbai: You can't really downplay what it means to have a campus in Mumbai since all the major firms are set up in Mumbai itself.

2. Good internship and placement opportunities: They have really managed to have names like Pallavi Shroff, Haigreve Khaitan, and Justice UU Lalit on their advisory council. They've also managed to reach an agreement with Trilegal, AZB & Partners, SAM, CAM, Khaitan, Bain and Company, Price Waterhouse Coopers, and Ernst & Young to consider their students for placements and internships.

3. The need of the hour Specialisation Courses: The Institute will offer specialisation in four fields, which are as follows:

(A) Corporate and Financial Law

(B) Technology and Media Law

(C) Entertainment and Sports Law

(D) ADR and Mediation

All of them are really interesting fields to specialise in, as opposed to the mundane specialisations offered by other colleges. They also claim to have curated the course after discussing the current needs of the legal system with managing partners of T-1 law firms.

4. BITS Alumni Network: It's a network as big as all of the NLU Alumni base combined (even bigger). BITS have left a noticeable dent in the Indian entrepreneurial sector with companies like Swiggy, Groww, BigBasket, Netscope Mindtree, Ofbusiness, Sugar Cosmetics, FreeAgents, Redbus, MPL, etc. (all unicorns).

Although I would agree that they might not be as receptive to BITS Law grads as opposed to BITS Pilani grads, but the network itself is way above anything any law school can offer.

5. Good start with BITSoM: They also opened up BITS LAW's elder sister institute about 2 years ago, which is being considered the fastest-growing B-School in the country, with average stipends of the whole batch ranging up to Rs. 1.61 lakhs for two months. It's safe to say that they've surely cracked the B-School market which is considered to be even trickier than the law school market.

6. Good Faculty + New Way of Teaching: (At this point, it might even seem like a PR comment lmao, but it's just that I've researched about it as good as anyone could have.)

The institute has a solid faculty line-up with individuals who have performed really well academically throughout their careers. Mind that they're not very experienced, but all of them have good publications and substance in their profiles. The faculty-to-student ratio is decent too, at 1:20.

https://www.bitslawschool.edu.in/faculty

The institute claims to follow a new age learning method whereby they'll ensure faculty-student interaction to the extent that the faculty knows each and every student completely. (At least they're claiming to follow this practise)

7. Good Scholarships on offer based on merit, gender, diversity, disability, etc.: They're claiming to have set aside more than 3 Crs for their first batch of scholarships. Although there is no cap in the number of students they'll offer scholarships to, I've heard that the number will be around 70% of the batch, which ultimately translates to about 52.9% of scholarships to each individual. {30000000÷0.7×120}

Unlike IIULER, BITS LAW seems to be genuinely serious about building a new age law school. They've got a bit too many green flags to be considered a scam, and high fees shouldn't be the only metric to judge what it is catering to. I do not believe that BITS LAW is trying to be an alternative to Jindal for rich kids; I think it's trying to do what was initially expected of MNLU, Mumbai.

PS: A lot of the things are mere claims at this point with no actual testimony of them. But as far as my individual research goes, this institute is worth looking into :)

1. Taxes are not fees. You don’t pay them with an expectation of quid pro quo, so “what do I get for my taxes” is a misplaced question. Even the deplorable state of public goods (which is a separate issue), doesn’t change this broad basic principle.

2. As a lawyer you are probably claiming deductions for your expenses and so are likely being taxed lower than employees anyway.

3. You are not middle class. Please read what that means in the Indian context.

Hi A0,

I know what you’re going through.

Unfortunately, you’re at the bottom of the food chain, and since you are still picking up the ropes, they are trying to drill into your head that formatting and spacing matters. In fact, law firms charge a premium because their drafts and emails look extremely professional (apart from having expertise in complex deals). This is the price you pay for working in a large organisation with several seniors above you. If you were in a small startup/ law firm, your learning would be more hands on - but that would not because your senior takes greater interest in teaching you; but that he/ she needs your substantial involvement in the matter and cannot handle it alone. In a bigger organisation, your team can work without you, so they just need you to focus on the tidying up the document.

Here’s another way to look at it - right now, since you don’t have much knowledge about the law, your main job is to shadow your senior. Watch what he/ she is doing, trying to learn the process, try to learn how to analyse clauses etc. Since you still lack expertise in law, right now your input is required only in correcting grammatical or spelling mistakes.

And yes, it does get better with time. As you rise up the ladder, you’ll have more freedom, more control and more visibility over your matters. Till that time, try to grind through this. But also try and show your senior that you’re up for the next phase of tour learning.

Hope this helps!

Ron DeSantis technically has, within his power, the right to refuse the extradition REQUEST by applying his discretion. Only a federal circuit court can enforce an extradition in any state in the US; and the nature of Trump's crime being such, a federal court cannot take cognizance. (there's a 19th century SCOTUS precedent on this)

Although I wonder what may happen if he steps foot in a democrat-controlled state for campaigning.

Guys, I can’t emphasis this enough, but don’t really care if it’s the representation I made (linked above) or any representation a fellow associate here or even the moderator would like to make. Honestly at this point, only care about getting the word out to BCI that we are all overwhelmingly in support of this.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/corporate/foreign-law-firms-silf-tells-bci-that-rules-can-lead-to-loss-of-livelihood-for-indian-lawyers

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Below message from a well placed source from NLSIU, whose name I am redacting (although many will already have seen this message because it circulated within WhatsApp alumni groups of NLSIU).

"Yes, I can confirm what [redacted] said is true. The government has received representations from various quarters on the entry of foreign law firms. A proposal has been made to debar foreign law firms to recruit NLU students until 2040, in order to maintain a level playing field vis-a-vis domestic law firms. The proposal is likely to be passed. My own view is that this rule will not affect foreign law firms too much, as the main hiring will be at the partner and SA level. The NLU student hiring is only at the fresh associate level. Moreover, students from Jindal, DU etc can be eligible. Nevertheless, NLU recruitments will be hit and one must question whether it is fair to deprive NLU students of the opportunity to work in an international law firm."

Partnership with friends:

Good camaraderie and communication.

Lesser individual liability towards office rent, staff salaries, electricity, internet, stationery etc.

Variety of subject matter expertise.

Solo office:

Higher liability towards overheads.

Office's success directly linked to your skills.

You get to keep all profits.

Salaried job:

Guaranteed income

No liability towards office expenses.

Which one to choose depends on your personality, skills, confidence, risk appetite...and those of your friends.

You will need to do an analysis before you or your friends decide to join to set up a partnership.

Few pointers to evaluate your plan:

- While it's all jolly and cheerful when you are drinking or spending your leisure time with your college friends, how are they as a person with respect to money? how do they take feedback? do they place themselves first or are they willing to let others prevail?

- to use an aphorism, partnership is more delicate than a marriage. Marriages today are shaky when compared to earlier, partnerships are more fragile... One small disagreement or misunderstanding can lead to a partnership collapsing.

- money can be a big challenge: too much and there could be disagreements over who gets what, and too little endangers the very purpose. People CHANGE over time, and your college friends will not be the same folks you knew them in college. There could be numerous reasons for change, but CHANGE they will.

No journey is perfect, and be prepared to a rough country trek if you decide to pursue this journey.

This is from an ex-partner!

All the best.

Just curious: are these helplines any good? Who operates them and what happens if one calls? Does someone pick up and counsel? What if it's vey late at night? And who finances them?

Interestingly, the ScoopWhoop article says India is the world;'s most depressed country. Is that really true? But plenty of reasons for one in India to get to get depressed though, especially middle-class people :(

Here’s the thing: every city in India is fabulous if you are among the top 5% of that city and every city sucks if you are not. For example, a person living in Kochi, who has a big house, lots of servants, connections with the powerful people of the city, membership to a luxury resort club etc would be quite miserable living in Mumbai with none of these privileges. However, people need to go to Mumbai because of compulsion. In the US, not every white collar professional needs to live in New York. You can get a great job and live a nice If your hometown is, say, Austin or Seattle. But, in India, none of the major firms have offices in Kochi or Chandigarh or Lucknow. This is the problem. We have had lop-sided industrial growth in India.

This is what I know for a new partner. Please do give correct / better info if someone has:

Monthly - 3.5 X 12 = 42 lacs

+ Bill share - 12% of what ever you bill. Lets say you bill 2 cr in a decent year = 24 lacs

+ Annual bonus - 14 lacs (this one I am not sure about and am 2nd guessing)

Total 42 + [24] + 14 = 80 lacs

Can go up and down depending on the team/ actual billings and recovery.

Hi. Sure, these are fair questions.

Firstly, we are not an organisation, just a group of five associates across levels with the most experienced of us having been in the profession for 5 years. All of us work at the supposed tier-1’s, hence the need for anonymity.

Our plan, atleast till now, was to send the representation to the BCI in written letter format as well as electronically. We would not send it anonymously, it would have our and the names of lawyers who sign the petition annexed to it. However, apart from the letter going to the BCI, anonymity of all lawyers who sign this would be maintained.

As far as the need for the letter is concerned, we just felt that in a politically charged atmosphere, it is very easy for law firm founders to push a narrative that the opening up of the indian law firm market would seriously hurt Indian lawyers in the long run. This could easily snowball into becoming a political issue and hence get stayed for years to come. Having seen good initiatives get blocked by organisations for years in India, we generally thought to make a small effort for something we truly believe will help all of us.

Lastly, as mentioned, there is no “organisation here” and therefore we are 10000% open to suggestion. Someone in the comments suggested there could be a more transparent way to do this. If anyone has any suggestions, we are more than willing to make those changes. The entire point after all, is to help all of us.

Hello again!

Just wanted a lil heads up on the progress since some of the proposed features are still in the pipeline. I was a fan of both the ideas commented below:

1. Classification of threads

2. Being able to pin your favourites

There was another concern, there have been several complaints about threads being a bit confusing due to the removal of numbering on them. Is there any way you could bring it back? (E.g. 1.1, 2.8.a, etc.)

I also would like to have an option to bold or italicise the texts, but it's not that important since I was the only one to use it frequently.

The blue theme is pretty cool, but you could also try more alternatives if that's possible.

I do have some interesting ideas for increasing interaction and gaining more audience, but it seems like we've already got our hands full :)

First of all, sorry for replying a month late, but I'm not sure I am completely understand. While I agree that to stick to a particular path, be it for the purposes of an area of law or otherwise, would require an intentional action behind it, but what would then be the force driving such intention?

While an emotion-driven intent would be ideal, I couldn't drive such intent through logic as well, and hence the post. Even when I tried to rationalise it, I found most laws alike in terms of my skill base or propensity to learn, thus no differentiating factor.

What's cooking? Linked to liberalisation?

For those who don't know, he is an NLSIU alum and co-founder of Trilegal. Son of Jaya Jaitly (key ally of the Vajpayee government) and a senior bureaucrat. Also the brother-in-law of cricketer Ajay Jadeja. Moved to France as married to a French national. Now suddenly moving back.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/corporate/akshay-jaitly-to-rejoin-trilegal-partnership

Reasonably priced area, should you be willing to travel by the local trains, would be Sion / Chunabhatti. It will not be as lively as the Western Suburbs, but you can get semi furnished 1 BHK's for a reasonable rent in those areas. On the Central Line, you have to get off at Parel (it shares a station with Elphinstone Road/Prabhadevi on the Western Line), from where most LP law firms are at a walking distance. Else, if you are ok with 1 RK apartments, search in Prabhadevi, Naigaon in Dadar East, Shivaji Park, Lalbaug (be ready to bear with a lot of noise during Ganesh Chaturthi if you are staying in Lalbaug, Currey Road and Chinchpokli). Also look at a few old buildings in both Parel and Lower Parel. If you are willing to commute by local trains, you will get decent semi furnished and even fully furnished apartments in Vikhroli and Mulund on the Central Line, as well as Borivali and Goregaon on the Western Line.

We (me and a couple of other law firm associate friends) are planning to send a representation to the BCI in support of such move. We have made a Google doc for this effect and we need your support (law students, associates, partners) so that the BCI knows we are all overwhelmingly in support of this move. Let’s put the days of slavery behind us forever. Abhi nahi toh kabhi nahi. Link: https://forms.gle/4x7VLEE1npCYcdMs9

Please also see below a separate link to the representation (also attached to the Google document) : [**https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X92rehGYrbDQ449wwSdy3vIWBss_Tg7_cFcETy51kyU/edit?usp=sharing**](https://docs.google.com/document/d/1X92rehGYrbDQ449wwSdy3vIWBss_Tg7_cFcETy51kyU/edit?usp=sharing)

You're clearly unsatisfied as well as anxious about your career path. You have a GMAT score in the 95th-97th percentile. You have a profile quite different from a typical Indian applicant. I believe with focussed preparation for essays, interviews, recommendations etc there is a very high chance of you making it to the likes of Michigan Ross, Duke Fuqua and Virginia Darden (which are all among top 15 US B-Schools) with some scholarship. And I am being conservative here.

Choose a 2 year/21 month MBA from USA over an MBA from Europe (including INSEAD) as it will give you greater time to learn, network and last but not the least complete an internship which is really important for someone looking to change one's career path.

Hello! I'm just getting into law school this year! .

International Law and specifically Public/Private International Law were one of the reasons that influenced me to take up Law.

I'm well aware that one must not make the mistake of choosing specializations this early and rather intern at various locations to decide what field suits you the best, but I was just curious to know, is International Law a viable field in India? or is it more oriented towards academia?

Another thing that raised this question was the recent move of the Bar Council of India which recently allowed Foreign Law Firms to operate in India, but only for non litigious matters not concerning Indian laws and regulations.

Chapter 4, Para 8(2)(ii) and (iii) states

(ii) providing legal expertise/advise and appearing as a lawyer for a person, firm, company, corporation, trust, society etc. who/which is having an address or principal office or head office in a foreign country in any international arbitration case which is conducted in India and in such arbitration case “foreign law may or may not be involved;

(iii) providing legal expertise/advise and appearing as a lawyer for a person, firm, company, corporation, trust, society etc. who/which is having an address or principal office or head office in the foreign country of the primary qualification in proceedings before bodies other than Courts, Tribunals, Boards, statutory authorities who are not legally entitled to take evidence on oath, in which knowledge of foreign law of the country of the primary qualification is essential;

The BCI also released a Press Release 4 days ago clarifying that

1) Foreign lawyers and law firms should be allowed to advise their clients only on foreign law and international law.

2)They will only provide advisory work on such laws to their foreign clients.

Now I had quite a few questions regarding this

1)Would this mean Alternate Dispute Resolution would be one of the primary areas where such law firms would primarily deal with?

2) Would an LLM degree in International Law have value in the coming few years?

3) Keeping in the mind the fact that foreign law firms can only operate in India provided that the parent country of such law firms have provisions to enable Indian Lawyers to start their practice in the concerned country, would it be practical if one could specialize in something like Comparative and European Private International Law?

4) How are opportunities in International Law in general? SILF recently formed a drafting committee to be sent as representation to the BCI and flag certain " concerns" regarding the move to allow foreign law firms. So if I were to think very pessimistically, the tangible effects of foreign law firms in India would be seen in 8-10 years or so ( which is quite a long time after I pass out)

This seems to be a loaded question for a person just getting into law but a clarification on this would be very grateful. Though I've tried be as factual as possible, please do let me know if I've misinterpreted it wrongly or have thought the whole thing in a very convoluted manner.

Work is a bottomless pit - but manage it like an adult. Organise things by priority. Stagger your deadlines. Set a reasonable goal for what you will get done everyday and get it done as quickly as possible and then go do whatever you want. Employers are not fools. They know a hard/ smart worker when they see one and someone who is just hanging around till late hours hoping to give the impression that they’re doing work when really they’re just messing around. Have clear goal oriented conversations with your supervisor about what is expected. Be an adult about it. No one is going to create work life balance and present it on a platter. You have to be self possessed enough to think carefully about your goals and act on them.

Honestly as a nalsar alum- who has seen up close what the nls alumni circle is about- yeah we’re missing out. Our alumni circles barely exist and even then only to meet at a bar once in a while. Nls alumni have each other’s back. When my friend from nls was applying for masters programmes - she had like an nls person at every school she wanted to apply to and she had that person agree to review her work and give her comments and coach her application. I had a couple of seniors who did agree to read my SOP and stuff - but even they got back to me too late without any real comments. I actually ended up having to use his connections and speaking this seniors about the things I wanted to do. I’ve been around older nls people - there is obviously love and affection for folks from their alma mater. They donate more, they mentor more, they push more fiercely to hire and work with folks from their university. Nalsar just doesn’t have that kind of culture - yeah if you meet someone who went to the same college you might get a drink with them maybe reminisce about nani dhaba, or sai/Shankar’s, or even some older professors. But you genuinely don’t feel ownership enough to want to help them out.

Nls alumni will gather together to make sure a Sudhir type person will be the next VC. Nalsar alumni were divided on faizan mustafa which is okay- but they did not come together to think of another suitable candidate and did not bother looking or pushing for anyone else. It’s almost like there’s no sense of ownership of the place - only a sense of- having survived the place - commiserate with fellow survivors - but don’t necessarily do much to change things.

Add to that nalsar today looks very very different to the nalsar of even 5 years ago. There’s ever more increasing number of students. And programs like mba/ whatever else whose students are seen as separate entities. We don’t do ranks families, we don’t really do mentorship apart from whatever happens organically. We don’t really do institution building. We learnt what little of it we could from an nls alum who teaches at nalsar and tried to replicate some of it - but even he would acknowledge that the alumni of the two universities behave very differently.

Even nalsar alumni who turn up to teach at the university- just so many of them have left over the years. And not for good reasons. And they’re not necessarily keen to come back. Some have left because admin did not give them proper consideration/ did not regularise positions, some left because they did not see proper mentorship from university professors they were keen on, some left dejected over how things had gotten progressively worse in terms of academic standards and even more left because that recent FM Kista drama and others left over greener pastures which is unavoidable. There’s one or two folks who are still roughing it out- but there’s no self reflection about why that number is so low when every nls alumnus from Sudhir to raag to whoever is keen on working with their university.

This is not to say that this is a fixed state- nalsar alumni could grow to be more collectivised in the future. And I still did have alumni who helped me at other points and I did have professors who continued to work for me long past what should have been expected. And maybe nls alumni will also change behaviour now that they’re increasing programmes and numbers by quite a bit. Or maybe the kind of mentorship you get will change somewhat unless the university has some sort of plan for all this.

But yeah. There’s definitely a difference to being an nls kid and a nalsar kid. Not for a long time in terms of the kind of education you got- though that’s changing. And not in terms of raw intellect- but in terms of what kind of support you’ve gotten definitely.

Even in terms of opportunity- fewer Oxford admits, fewer Rhodes scholars, fewer people who have done varied and interesting things with their careers, fewer people in Consulting roles and in world banks and fewer people ( almost none?) working at the top 20 law schools in America.

That makes a difference. If we acknowledge it we can do something about it. If we’d rather ignore it things will only get worse.

1.Pay is decent at A 0 level, may give you around 1 L p/m.

2. Work Culture: Seems a cool place to work at provided that you are cool too OR should be a cultural fit.

3. They have some really good clients, but really don't know how many transactions they do in a quarter.

4. There are people who have negative views about the firm, but I don't think that it is a bad place to work.

P.S : If you have an interview lined up with Ruchir Bhaiya, be bold, confident, unorthodox, and unconventional like Ranveer Singh, he will like you.

I graduated a while back. Here are a few things I think you should know.

1. If you're knew to computers/typing, start using an online typing tutor and improving your typing speed. It will help.

2. Placements are good. But in first year, focus on keeping good grades and trying to do things other than academics.

3. Trimester system is difficult, but it is what it is. I wouldn't change colleges just because of semester system.

4. I would tell my 18 year old self that I am working in house and making bank. I am very happy and fulfilled. And all the work does pay off in the end. What I would also tell myself is that no matter what the setbacks and challenges, it is best to be forgiving of yourself and move forward.

5. Take care of yourself. Be around positive people. For me the best thing I got out of law school wasn't the degree or the opportunities, but the amazing friends. They are still a huge part of my life even if we don't stay in the same cities. They are your rock when you need support, and they are there when you have something to celebrate.

6. It is very tempting to just do what everyone else is doing, but I think if I were to do things again, I might have tried to study and work smarter. Spent more time outside the campus when I could, but again this requires money, which at the time I didn't have.

Best of luck! I hope you have a great time in Law school.

The thing about subverting spirituality and morality was to find a way to manage diversity with its demands going in divergent directions. To adopt a moral standpoint would then be to end up including some and excluding some - something which the modern state wanted to avoid in order to find legitimacy for its creation and superiority over the king-nation-kingdom types of governance which required the adhesive of local morality to bind its peoples into a single political unit.

The need to keep morality away is required, but when you are thinking in terms of administration and the state - of which law is an important part. So the law requires one to keep one's morality outside.

The unfortunate thing to happen is that people assumed that morality has to be thrown out from one's life also. The necessary compulsions for the state have been ignorantly and blindly adopted as a necessary compulsion for the citizen.

I can be moralistic about my choices depending on the quality of life I define for myself. But I cannot be moralistic about the law which governs everyone.

So let's say I won't indulge in consuming drugs or visiting prostitutes, but that does and should not stop me from taking up cases to defend someone accused of peddling drugs or pimping.

However, what has happened is that ignorant fools have taken the state's mandates and made those their private commandments.

What you refused to consider is that people have responsibilities and obligations. To mock them because of that is moronic. I work in a firm because I have bills to pay and old parents to take care of. The money makes my life easier and I am scared of abandoning that and unwilling to take the risk. Yes, firms are not the perfect places to be in but the truth is most places aren't. The money is good, the work is alright and I have gotten habituated with it. Here, that's your answer.

Hi! Don't worry, I was in a similar situation myself. I got 65% in my 12th Boards as a commerce student with my optional subject being legal studies (53% in Legal Studies). I was just a little above-average as a student in college and got around 6.9 GPA out of 8.

I interned and got placed after 7 months of unpaid internship (online-covid), I did not exclude my 12th grade percentages from my CV and was never asked about them.

TOO MUCH exaggeration in the comments.

Some lawyers have started owning their work hours as a badge of honour, and this can get quite unrealistic. That’s not same everywhere. Also, please remember that mostly people who are frustrated with their life are more likely to visit / comment on LegallyIndia - this might give you a skewed picture.

What’s the reality?

Generally working hours are 10-12 hours. Depending on the team and type of work at certain time, it can go up to 14 hours a days. There are days of less work, but you still have to stick around in office till 8:30pm - 9pm, in case some work comes in.

Also, on an average, out of the 12 hours, not everything is high intense work. You also develop a bond with your colleagues and take breaks in between work at the office, so that makes it bearable. You also get used to the hours after a point ?

Of course, during certain closings, people only get time to sleep for 2-3 hours, but that’s in rare cases. If someone is in a team where this happens regularly, that is just bad management by their boss and they seriously need to start considering other workplaces.

Hope this above perspective helps.

Cyril Shroff has given a detailed interview to Financial Express. Excerpts and my comments below:

"I’m sure the BCI will have regulatory mechanisms. Singapore has over 150 foreign law firms and a very vigilant regulator that watches like a hawk. They examine time sheets, do surprise visits to the office."

Comments: Hmm...is he suggesting that the BCI makes surprise visits and examine time sheets? Why would he say this? Do surprise visits really happen in Singapore?

"Some smaller Indian law firms will see this as an opportunity to create exclusive alliances with foreign firms in India. "

Comments: So won't that threaten CAM?

"Whilst there will be some talent movements, these will eventually flow both ways. There is almost always a honeymoon period after which the migrant talent largely lands back to their original place. ... Also, history has shown that whenever markets open up to foreign competition the national champion in any sector lands up doing even better than before."

Comments: 🤡 🤡 🤡 Birla Motors and the Ambassador car, Videocon and BPL TV sets anyone?

https://www.financialexpress.com/india-news/cyril-shroff-on-foreign-law-firms-entry-in-india-says-will-boost-competition-increase-fees/3011754/

1. Ignore mooting - law firms do not give two sh*ts about how many moots you have done or won. The objective is just to fill your CV, so that it looks heavy. Do 1-2 small moots on the side. I say this, so that your cv will look bigger plus, since its a small moot, you can get time to intern on the side.

2. GPA - again, most won't really care but you can't be sure, considering our education system's overemphasis on grades. A good gpa would be between 8-9 on a 10 point scale. So aim for around 85%ile.

3. Intern NON STOP. Keep interning whenever you can, between college breaks, during college, after college etc. Nothing beats practical experience. If you can skirt around college attendance mandates, do it.

As for standing out, you will learn skills such as research, reading, proofing with experience. The only thing you have to do is act responsibly - take responsibility for whatever task you have been assigned. Do it diligently and lawyers will take notice. Also, don't be that intern who just sits in the interns room and does nothing but work. Talk to the lawyers, interact, wish them when you reach the office, basically, NETWORK. Gauge the personality of the partner for eg. If you think he/she is chill, go and ask for work from him/her. The more you network, the better opportunities will come your way.

Keep going, kid. All the best.

It's should not be hard to find workaround this restriction. Quick ones I'm thinking out loud:

A. Operate how Big4 do in India. Have several Indian incorporated LLP/entities with Indian only (or dual qualified) partners. Have these entities pay for brand licenses fees, fractional office space rent, and shared services. Hence you have a fully Indian law firm entity which is an Affiliate of say A&O India. What will stop A&O branded Gokulchand Manikanthan LLP from advising on Indian law?

B. Be cheeky and don't call retainers as 'Associate / Partner'. Call or something else or structure it differently.

There is nothing happening.

1. They may end up opening offices here (of the size of what CAM has in Singapore or Khaitan in the US) but cannot expect any significant hiring from the indian grad pool. Their offices would at best be satellite offices for soliciting business or providing secretarial support in case of arbitrations (if happening in India) or for government registrations/approvals etc.

2. Even if they open offices here what would be the point of hiring Indian grads if they are practicing foreign law anyways? Similar issue as limited vacation schemes/training contracts for Indian grads sans the visa sponsorship problem.

All in all, the widespread excitement about lala firms going down or working conditions improving significantly is unfounded.

I don't think there would be anything "disruptive" per se. As other folks have pointed out, it would be more of a gradual influx of foreign law firms. The only real application this notification brings is that foreign law firms can basically set up their branch and hire Indian people to work on their already existing clientele. In my honest opinion, not allowing them to work on Indian matters doesn't change much as long as foreign firms are keen to exploit the cheaper billable rates offered to Indian associates for their foreign work.

For anything to really change, there has to be consensus that there is a real potential in the Indian legal talent among leading law firms.

What could change:

1. More opportunities for corporate lawyers in all their respective domains.

2. More opportunities = more intake of law graduates.

3. I speculate that the income increase would only be offered by a few select foreign firms that are willing to pay the big bucks to attract the cream of the crop of law graduates, Indian law firms might follow suit depending on the availability of the desired law graduates.

Many things to consider.

First, we need a treaty with the countries that would allow Indian lawyers to practice in their country in the same manner.

Second, any foreign law firm would need to invest a large amount in an Indian office. Indian clients are usually not the best paymasters. For large Indian transactions, you do see foreign lawyers. But they are perfectly capable of working on the matters remotely.

Thirdly, Indian lawyers who work for foreign firms can take up only the non-litigious matters and can advise on issues relating to countries other than the Indian Laws only. Such Lawyer shall have no advantage / right of his being an Advocate enrolled in India. So unless an Indian lawyer has the relevant foreign qualification and advises on foreign law, he can't effectively work at a foreign firm.

Read it first guys. I really doubt any firm is coming. Reason -

"Provided that an Advocate enrolled with any State Bar Council in India and is a partner or Associate in any Foreign Law Firm registered in India under these rules and regulations, can take up only the non-litigious matters and can advise on issues relating to countries other than the Indian Laws only. Such Lawyer shall have no advantage / right of his being an Advocate enrolled in India."

What US/UK law firm will open office in India and engage you to advise on US/UK law?

No one's coming.

Extremely delighted to see the entry of foreign firms and lawyers in India .

"Time has come to take a call on the issue. Bar Council of India is of the view that opening up of law practice in India to foreign lawyers in the field of practice of foreign law; diverse international legal issues in nonlitigious matters and in international arbitration cases would go a long way in helping legal profession/domain grow in India to the benefit of lawyers in India too."

At least the corporate sector gets profitable with this . Also The article quoted “

- They shall be allowed to practice on transactional work/corporate work such as joint ventures, mergers and acquisitions, intellectual property matters, drafting of contracts and other related matters on reciprocal basis.”

[TOI: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/bar-council-allows-foreign-lawyers-law-firms-to-practice-in-india/articleshow/98654185.cms ]

[Notification: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23707847-bar-council-of-india-allows-entry-of-foreign-law-firms ]

Lol, give me a break from these insecure CLAT failures hyping up science and tech. The human race had survived for thousands of years without modern science or technology. On the other hand, ethics, reasoning and social awareness, all guided under the law, were indispensable for human society's survival. It's only in ignorant places like India with a siloed education system that there is this pointless humanities vs. science debate. Colleges in the West already integrate both into their UG and graduate curriculum.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/lawschools/srividhya-raghavan-resigns-from-iiuler-goa-as-vice-chancellor-university-on-the-lookout-for-new-vc

What a joke this institution turned out to be, really sad for people that went to study there. I tried warning though :(

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/235375-bar-council-iiuler-goa-entrace-test-on-4-september-this-is-huge-why-is-no-one-talking-about-this#comment-235415

Do you like aviation law? Or do you like aviation? Many lawyers have tried to chase their real career dreams through the proxy of law. This is not always a good idea. Unfortunate truth is that lawyers are always better off being interdisciplinary. If you want to understand the scope of any legal practice area, then open the newspaper. See how often that subject actually gets discussed in the news.

If you struggle to find out much about the practice area, the scope is probably restricted. If you do really enjoy aviation, its a great hobby to pursue on its own.

🙄

In a statement signed by its chairman Manan Kumar Mishra, BCI described Singhvi’s statement as baseless and uncalled for, malafide with a “hidden agenda and ulterior motive”. The BCI also said the senior counsel’s idea that the legal profession should be regulated by some academicians was “unfortunate”.

The statement further said that Singhvi made the suggestion in order to “sell the Indian legal education at the hands of a few so-called managers”.

https://theprint.in/judiciary/bar-council-attacks-senior-advocate-abhishek-singhvis-remark-to-regulate-legal-profession/1425240/

I'm giving this a good chance of success. Barring NLSIU and JGLS, no other law schools have such heavyweight backers. Also, the Dean is likely to replicate the Sudhir and C Rajkumar model and recruit good NLU alumni faculty.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/lawschools/bits-pilani-launches-bits-law-school-in-mumbai

A hearing took place on 6 March, under Justice Pratibha Singh. Liang was represented by Advocate Varsha Sharma (who I think is the junior of NLSIU alum Jawahar Raja, the Senior Advocate representing Liang).

AUD was represented by AOR Mohinder J.S.Rupal (formerly a partner at Gagrat & Co) and his son Hardik Rupal. The survivor was represented by AOR Goutham Shivshankar, a young counsel and NUJS alum.

The court passed this order: "This hearing has been done through hybrid mode. List on 6th September, 2023."

Thus, 10 hearings in 6 years so far, none of which involved substantive arguments. Is this fair to the survivor?

http://164.100.60.183/writereaddata/OrderSAN_PDF/pms/2023/1678193415375_73056_2023.pdf

2-in-1 devices may sound appealing and cool and cool and stuff in the beginning, but you're better off using 2 discrete devices for each purpose. I have a HP x360 i5/256GB SSD 2018, and was initially really excited by the notion of using a convertible. But after the initial 2-3 months, you'll not exactly want to use your 2 in 1 as a tablet because that gives scratches to the bottom of your device, its pretty unweildy at ~13-15 inches and the hinges of these devices are inferior too which dampen the experience.

Probably a good option for someone like you would be to purchase something like a M1 Mac and an entry level iPad. That allows you to use the iPad as a secondary display via Sidecar whenever the need arises, plus you get the complete experience of owning both a laptop and a tablet device without compromising on any aspects of the same.

And before I forget, 2 in 1's inbuilt cameras are pretty shit, unless you are looking at something like an XPS or Spectre or Surface, but that does cost ~ 1.5L, give or take. iPad and other premium tablets' front cameras, however, are pretty great (atleast compared to the blurry, barely serviceable 1-2 MP ones on most convertible laptops). Hope this helps.

False.

Increase in money can and most definitely will have an impact on happiness.

Money ALONE isn't sufficient for happiness. But assuming all other factors are present, an increase in money can and does lead to a better lifestyle, better social security and ultimately, greater happiness.

Money, ceteris paribus, makes a difference in happiness.

As someone who had interned in both the Mumbai as well as the Delhi office of the firm, this is what I have observed:

1] SNG, Delhi is top tier and is always involved in marquee deals of high complexity in both the capital markets as well as the banking space. So, if its the Delhi office then go for it without any doubt.

2] SNG, Mumbai is a core private client boutique given the fact that its a leading firm in the same apart from banking and capital markets. Wouldn't recommend it unless you are well versed in wills and offshore funding.

3] Stipends vary from case to case and completely depend on your worksheet.

4] It is easier to make a shift to tier 1s after the firm has become precariously heavy in terms of reputation, deal sizes and L500 recognitions.

Hang in there for a bit and jump ship after a year or two, good luck!

No he is not. We spoke to him at our convocation last weekend. He has an offer to join NLSIU as an Assistant Professor with pay protection. He told us he has asked for time to decide since he wants to see how SKDR will govern NALSAR. Apparently, 10 faculty members have left NALSAR over the last one year and 3 more are likely to leave by June 2023. So the current students are repeatedly meeting SKDR and demanding fresh recruitments to ensure that at least the mandatory subjects are taught properly. In such a situation, I doubt that Sid.C will leave until suitable replacements are found for the subjects that he is teaching. I think that SKDR-Vidyullatha will need to recruit three new faculty members if they have to replace him.

As someone who studied in the UK and now works at a city law firm, getting a first class undergrad from any of these schools will give you a very high chance of getting a TC if that’s your goal:

Oxbridge

Lse

Ucl

Kcl

Qm

Durham

Exeter

Warwick

Manchester

Getting a TC from an NLU is almost impossible unless you are exceptional, only because of this I would put these unis above the tier 1 NLUs

Thought in all honestly, I left my law firm job in December and have had time to cook my own meals. I eat Pizza, Pasta and all things that are classed as "Junk Food".

I make it my self and somehow I don't binge eat as I feel I've worked for my food and I want to enjoy every bite.

I have now lost 10 kilos since December 2022 and I haven't been doing squat. Am just less stressed and have more time to cook.

I AM SO GLAD I LEFT MY LAW FIRM JOB.

Though I'm okay with looking the way I do (Am fat), I like that my body is reclaiming my stomach.

Hello Kian,

I'm probably a little late to the party, please can we revert back to the original website or add a few features from the old website to the new? The old interface is so familiar, right now I have no clue as to which comment is being referred to when someone for e.g., says "comment 9.3". It's also hard to keep track of new conversations/revisit old threads now. Love the colours though.

But it seems that being a legend at the Bar enhances lifespan

In no particular order -

Pakhivala - 82

Jethmalani - 96

Shanti Bhushan - 98

Soli - 91

Govind Swaminathan - 94

Daphtary - 90

Setalvad - 90

PP Rao - 84

Niren De - (not sure but think definitely in his 80s at least)

Fali, KKV & Parasaran are going strong in their 90s.

Sure there are lots more...

Some Exceptions -

Vahanvati - 65

VP Raman - 59

Unfortunately, I did not get the position and the HR did not even bother emailing me about that until I asked. The interview was average and I think they expected way more seeing that I interviewed for the paralegal position rather than associate. They also said that I wouldn’t get drafting work as much. I answered as much as i could and have worked on uptill now and definitely need to brush up on my knowledge. However if they have been expecting a person to know that much, I could have just interviewed for the associate position which they def would not offer me as I don’t belong to any NLU. Overall I did not get good vibe from the interviewer who is an associate whereas I expected some senior associate or principal associate would be taking the interview.

I was so happy seeing all these replies to my question. In the end even though I did not get the position, it just feels good to see and know that people here actually take that effort to give you genuine advice. Thank you all you loveliess!! Xoxo

In response:

1. I have made sufficient points that do not concern the location alone, although the location continues to be a major plus point. An NLU in Mumbai serves the sole purpose of having a law school in the city that houses the country's most important High Court and where some 80-90% of the corporate law jobs exist. Therefore, I am afraid I cannot agree with your characterisation of the location being overhyped.

2. I am surprised as to why an IIM did not spring up here but I do believe that law as a profession for both academic and practice purposes connects itself intrinsically with the location. This is why Leiden Uni, the LSE, King's, Georgetown and Columbia continue to sell their location as a major factor, and rightly so.

3. There is no limitation to the University increasing its intake. It already enrols as many as 120 students per batch, which is sort of the maximum they may ever want to. In any case a decent portion of the college and hostel remains empty, only to be used during Moots or the like.

GS Bajpai who was VC of RGNUL and long time regitsrar of NLUD comes back to NLUD as the new VC from today

https://indianexpress.com/article/education/nlu-delhi-appoints-dr-gs-bajpai-as-new-vice-chancellor-8473262/

The people, most of them are genuinely nice.

And the talks of a national team is a hundred per cent true. If I sit 15 days in Mumbai and 15 days in Delhi, it would not make any difference whatsoever.

Hours are extremely taxing and lengthy, no respite there.

There is no split between enforcement and merger control.

It doesn't matter if they do. Just be honest with your CV, because:

a) it's the right thing to do; and b) no one will ever be able to point a finger at you later on.

While you may go on in life to see some people getting away with bold misrepresentations (like masking a year flunked on LinkedIn) and being rewarded with fast-tracked promotions because sugar daddy (before being designated) was a star partner leaving the brat with clientele, you will in the long term, with merit, perseverance, and grit, go far ahead in life.