Nalsar Hyderabad convincingly bagged the Mooting Premier League trophy for the second consecutive season. It scored a total of 304 points and won this year’s League, sponsored by Allen & Overy, with an astonishing margin of 105 points.
Last year’s number 3 NUJS Kolkata finished as runners-up with 199 points; while last year’s runners-up NLSIU Bangalore finished at number 3
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with 192 points. New entrant to MPL, NLU Delhi narrowly missed the third spot and finished at number 4 with 187 points.
MPL Season 2 concluded with the tier 2 Manfred Lachs Space Moot Court Competition’s Asia-Pacific Rounds where Indian teams did exceedingly well and secured three out of four semi-final spots.
While in the first semi-final NLU Delhi got the better of Nalsar, NUS Singapore defeated GNLU Gandhinagar in the other. NLU Delhi eventually lost to NUS Singapore in the finals.
Nalsar’s speaker Jagdish bagged the 2nd best speaker award while GNLU’s speaker Esha Goel won the 3rd best speaker award.
Although HNLU Raipur’s team could not make it to the oral rounds that took place in Indonesia, it nonetheless won the best memorandum award and earned 20 crucial points for the college. With a total of 104 points, HNLU finished at number 6 position. Nalsar and NUJS won 2nd and 3rd best memorandum awards respectively.
Prior to the moot, NLU Delhi needed 30 points to finish at 3rd position, ahead of NLSIU. However, it could only earn 25 points (being the runners-up) and finished at number four.
In terms of MPL rank, the other gainers from the moot were GNLU, which earned 20 MPL points for the semi-finals and finished at 7th position with a total of 100 points.
Nalsar, NUJS, NLSIU, NLU Delhi, NLU Jodhpur, HNLU and GNLU were the seven colleges that finished with a total score of 100 points or above.
The top five colleges will share the cash prize of 1.2 lakh, generously sponsored by Allen & Overy.
MPL post-season analysis, interviews and more will continue throughout this month. We request moot court committees of colleges to please contact us so we can arrange the transfer of prizes and delivery of trophies.
MPL 2 final season rankings and cash prizes
1. | Nalsar Hyderabad | Rs. 50,000 |
2. | NUJS Kolkata | Rs. 30,000 |
3. | NLSIU Bangalore | Rs. 20,000 |
4. | NLU Delhi | Rs. 10,000 |
5. | NLU Jodhpur | Rs. 10,000 |
Mooting Premier League 2 season standings
Pos | Law school | Pts | Details |
1 | Nalsar Hyderabad | 304 | [Lachs Asia Pacific] (Semi-finalist, 2nd best Memorandum, 2nd best speaker); Vis Vienna (Octa-finalists, One Hon\'ble Mention for Speaker); ICC Trial (Runners-up, Best Speaker Overall, Best Defence Counsel, Best Victims\' Representative Team); NLS Arbitration (Semi-finalist); Jessup International Rounds (10th Best Memorandum, 2nd Best Applicant\'s Memorandum); Stetson World Rounds (8th best oralist); ISRO Manfred Lachs (Runners-up, Best Speaker); Leiden-Sarin (Runners-up); Amity (Semi-finalist, Best Memorandum); SP Sathe (Winner, best speaker); NLU-J Antitrust (Winner, best memorandum, best speaker); GIMC (Runners up); KLA Moot (Winners); BCI Moot (Winners);Jessup South (Runners up);NLIU-Juris Corp (Best speaker); Stetson South India (Winner), Nani Palkhiwala (Winners), Surana Int\'l Minority (Semifinalist); Surana Tiral Advocacy South (Seminfinalist) |
2 | NUJS Kolkata | 199 | [Lachs Asia Pacific] (3rd best Memorandum); Vis Vienna (Octa-finalists); Vis-HK (Honourable Mention for Best Respondent\'s Memorandum); Jessup International Rounds (Quarter-finalist, 16th Best Memorandum, 29th Best Speaker, 36th Best Speaker); Fiat Justitia (Winners, best memorandum); [NLU-D Corp Law] (Runners up); NLU-J Antitrust (Semi finalist); KLA Moot (Best Speaker, Runners up);BCI Moot (Semifinalist); Commonwealth International Rounds (Best Speaker, Semifinalist); Jessup North (Runners-up, Best Memorandum); Oxford-Media India Round (Winner); Commonwealth India Rounds (Winners; Best Memo); Nalsar B.R. Sawhny Moot (Best Memo, Best Speaker, Semi-finalist) |
3 | NLSIU Bangalore | 191 | Vis Vienna (Octa-finalists, One Hon\'ble Mention for Speaker); ICC Trial (Best Memorandum, Best Defense Representatives Team ); [Vis-HK] (Honourable Mention for Best Respondent\'s Memorandum); [Nalsar-NFCG] (Winner, best memorandum); Oxford Media Law (Semi finalist, Best speaker); ISRO Manfred Lachs (Winner); Herbert Smith (Semifinalist);GIMC (Semifinalist); DM Harish (Best Researcher);BCI Moot (Runners up);Jessup South (Best Speaker, Semifinalist); KK Luthra (Semi finalist); Oxford-Media India Round (Runners up, Best speaker); Stetson South India (Semi-finalist), Nani Palkhiwala (Best Speaker), Rizvi Moot (Winners) |
4 | NLU Delhi | 187 | [Lachs Asia Pacific] (Runners-up); NLS Arbitration (Best Memorandum); Jessup International Rounds (Octa-finalist, Overall Best Applicant Award, 9th Best Speaker, 17th Best Speaker); Leiden-Sarin (Best speaker); Herbert Smith (Runners up, Best Speaker); Fiat Justitia (Runners up); DM Harish (Semifinalist);KLA Moot (Semifinalist);Jessup North (Winner, Best Speaker); KK Luthra (Runners up); HNLU Moot (Winner, Best Speaker, Best Researcher) Nalsar B.R. Sawhny Moot (Semi finalist) Henry Dunant (Runners up) |
5 | NLU Jodhpur | 116.5 | Vis Vienna (Top 32, Two Hon\'ble Mentions for Speaker); ELSA-WTO Asia Rounds (Best Memorandum Overall, Best Memorandum Complainant); Amity (Runners up, Best Researcher); Herbert Smith (Best Memo, Semifinalist);Fiat Justitia (Super six); Surana IT (Runners up); Surana Corp (Winners); GIMC (Semifinalist);Oxford-Media India Round (Semi finalist, Best memorandum); NLIU-Juris Corp (Runners up); Maritime International Arbitration Moot, Sydney (The Sarah Derrington Encouragement Award)* |
6 | HNLU Raipur | 104 | [Lachs Asia Pacific] (Best Memorandum); Nalsar-NFCG (Runners-up, best speaker); Red Cross Moot (Runners up); ULC Moot (Best Memorandum, Best Researcher);BCI Moot (Best Female Speaker);Oxford-Media India Round (Semi finalist); NLIU-Juris Corp (Winner); Henry Dunant (Winners) |
7 | GNLU Gandhinagar | 100 | [Lachs Asia Pacific] (Semi-finalist, 3rd best speaker); Nalsar-NFCG (Semi-finalist); NLS Arbitration (Semi-finalist, best speaker); Pro bono Moot (Semi finalist); Raisoni (Semi finalists, Best Memo); DM Harish (Winners); BCI Moot (Best Memorandum, Best Male Speaker);ICC Mediation (Special Award for the Team Which Best Acknowledged Cultural Differences);Commonwealth India Rounds (Semi finalists); John Marshall (Winner, Ambassador Round), Nani Palkhiwala (Semifinalist), Surana Trial Advocacy North (Semifinalist) |
8 | ILS Pune | 94 | Jessup International Rounds (30th Best Speaker, 56th Best Speaker); Amity (Best Speaker); Raisoni (Runners up); Surana IT (Semi finalist); Surana Corp (Best Memorandum, Semifinalist); Jessup South (Winners, Best Memorandum);Stetson South India (Semi-finalist), Surana Trial Advocacy South (Winners) |
9 | NLIU Bhopal | 83 | Nalsar-NFCG (Semi-finalist); NLS Arbitration (Runners-up); Herbert Smith (Winners);ULC Moot (Best Speaker, Semifinalist); Stetson North (Semi finalist); HNLU Moot {Semi-finalist) Nani Palkhiwala (Best Researcher), Surana Trial Advocacy North (Winners, Best Speaker), Henry Dunant (Semifinalist, Best Memo), Rizvi Moot (semi-finalist) |
10 | RGNUL Patiala | 77.5 | Pro bono Moot (Best Researcher); SP Sathe (Runners-up); NLU-D Corp Law (Winners, best memorandum (joint), best researcher); Surana IT (Semi finalist); DM Harish (Runners up);KK Luthra (Best speaker); Stetson North (Semi finalist, best speaker); NLIU-Juris Corp (Semi finalist); Surana Trial Advocacy North (Runners up), Rizvi Moot (best speaker) |
11 | NUALS Kochi | 68 | Stetson World Rounds (3rd best memo, 10th best oralist);Surana IT (Winners); Surana Corp (Best Speaker); Stetson South India (Runner-up, Best Memo), Nalsar B.R. Sawhny Moot (Runner up) Surana Trial Advocacy North (Best Memo), Surana Int\'l Minority (Runners up) |
12 | RMNLU Lucknow | 49 | ISRO Manfred Lachs (Semi-finalist); SP Sathe (Semi-finalist, best memorandum); Surana IT (Best Memorandum); NLU-D Corp Law (Semi finalist); Surana Corp (Runners up); GIMC (Best Memorandum);Henry Dunant (Best Researcher) |
13 | Government Law College, Mumbai | 45.5 | NLU-D Corp Law (Best speaker); Fiat Justitia (Super six, best speaker); NLU-J Antitrust (Semi finalist); DM Harish (Best Memorandum);KLA Moot (Best Memorandum);Jessup South (Semifinalist);Nani Palkhiwala (Best Memo) |
14 | SOEL Chennai | 41 | Surana IT (Best speaker); NLU-D Corp Law (Semi finalist); Commonwealth India Rounds (Runners up, Best Speaker); Surana Int\'l Minority (Winners), Surana Tiral Advocacy South (Runners up, Best Speaker) |
15 | Army Institute of Law, Mohali | 35 | Pro bono Moot (Semi finalist, Best Memo); KLA Moot (Semifinalist);Nani Palkhiwala (Semifinalist), Surana Int\'l Minority(Best Memo), Rizvi Moot (runner-up, best memo) |
16 | UILS Chandigarh | 33 | ULC Moot (Winners); Stetson North (Runners up); Nani Palkhiwala (Runners Up), Surana Trial Advocacy South (Best Memo) |
17 | Campus Law Centre Delhi | 29.5 | SP Sathe (Semi-finalist); Fiat Justitia (Super six); NLU-J Antitrust (Runners-up); HNLU Moot (Runners up, Best Memorandum) Nalsar B.R. Sawhny Moot (Winner) |
18 | Amity Law School | 22 | ISRO Manfred Lachs (Semi-finalist); Amity (Semi-finalist); Jessup North (Semi-finalist); Stetson North (Best memorandum); Commonwealth India Rounds (Semi finalists) |
19 | University School of Law and Legal Studies, Guru Gobind Singh Indraprashta University, Delhi | 20 | Stetson North (Winner) |
19 | Symbiosis, Pune | 20 | Pro bono Moot (Runners up); Raisoni (Winners); NLU-J Antitrust (Best researcher) |
21 | Jindal Global Law School | 15 | NLS Arbitration (Winner) |
21 | Institute of Law, Nirma University, Ahmedabad | 15 | Henry Dunant (Semifinalist, Best Speaker) |
21 | Law Centre I (LC-I) Delhi University | 15 | FDI Moot (Semi-finalist; 2 Honourable Mentions); Surana Trial Advocacy North (Semifinalist), Rizvi Moot (semifinalist) |
21 | Tamil Nadu Dr. Ambedkar Law University, Government Law College Chennai | 15 | Amity (Winner) |
25 | CNLU Patna | 13 | Jessup North (Semi-finalist); NLIU-Juris Corp (Semi finalist, Best Memorandum) |
26 | M.S.Ramaiah College of Law | 10 | Pro bono Moot (Winners) |
26 | Bishop Cottons Women\'s Christian Law School, Bangalore | 10 | Stetson South India (Best Speaker) |
28 | Baroda School of Legal Studies | 8 | Raisoni (Semi finalists, Best Speaker) |
29 | Satara University | 5 | Pro bono Moot (Best Speaker) |
29 | Faculty of Law, University of Allahabad | 5 | BCI Moot (Semifinalist); |
29 | Seedling School of Law and Governance, Jaipur | 5 | Surana Int\'l Minority (Best Speaker) |
29 | CMR Law College, Bangalore | 5 | ULC Moot (Runners up); |
33 | School of Law, Christ University | 4 | Surana Corp (Semifinalist); |
34 | CUSAT Kochi | 3 | Surana Int\'l Minority(Semifinalist) |
34 | Rajiv Gandhi School of Intellectual Property Law, IIT, Kharagpur | 3 | HNLU Moot (Semi finalist) |
34 | New Law College, Bharti Vidayapeeth University, Pune | 3 | Surana Trial Advocacy South (Semifinalist) |
34 | Government Law College, Ernakulam | 3 | ULC Moot (Semifinalist); |
38 | NLU Orissa | 2.5 | NLU-D Corp Law (Best memorandum (joint)) |
39 | V.M. Salgaocar Law College, Panjim | 1.5 | Fiat Justitia (Super six) |
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I think you are one of those who is living in a dream of getting NLSIU.
Come out of that dream, be realistic.
NLS is not what it used to be. Accept this fact.
Or, other colleges have done well.
Now I know why NLS Students are famous for their arrogance.
With respect to PLACEMENTS all 3 are at par.
INFRA- NALSAR leads by a long margin
FACULTY- NUJS leads by a long margin
STUDENT ACHIEVEMENTS- NALSAR is doing so well in moots, NUJS is doing better than NLS in moots. NUJS is more entrepreneurial than NLS).
LOCATION- NUJS is ahead by a long margin
So I want to Ask NLS: Shouldn't NLS be the number 3rd preference?
Infra: If you're measuring infrastructure by the number of buildings, and whether we have AC hostels or not, I agree with you. If you're measuring infra as resources, both academic and otherwise, NLS is much better equipped than other law colleges.
Faculty- 1 Shamnaad, 1 Sudhir does not mean the faculty is great. Just so you know, both these men are law schoolites.
Student Achievements - We've won Jessup, we've won Man Lachs. Have you?
Location- Much better than most law colleges, with the probable exception of NUJS.
There, you have your answer. Now relax, and go back to the substandard law college you're from.
Foreign Placements , NLS is the first choice. 8 placements, NUJS - 4 placements.
Moot- NUJS has won Vis Moot, ELSA WTO ,have you ?
NLS is some 23 year old institution. It won Jessup long back in 1999.
Faculty - NUJS takes a fair lead.
Rhodes - NALSAR also produces Rhodes Scholar
Substandard college? That is what making NLS more at par with NALSAR and NUJS day by day :)
Be Happy :)
Ask NLS will not leave you , lol :P
Is that why're they're struggling to place their students? and BTW, SNR Associates does not even hire people from below NLS and NALSAR. I'd still admit that NALSAR is giving us a fair fight, but NUJS is a long shot.
I know it will take time for you to accept this, but chill buddy there are other colleges too than NLS. CLAT used to be a stupid exam which cannot judge the excellence of a person. Mugging up plays a huge role. People at RMLNLU got placement at Amarchand, are they stupid ? No, they are better than many NLS Students. Foreign firm come to NALSAR and NUJS, why doesn;t it go to NLS alone ?
And come on man! NLS is 23 year old institution. Earlier, this was the only choice for firms, so they had to go there. But, they have more choices now.
To be very honest, in coming years not only NLS, but also NALSAR, NUJS, NLUJ and all other NLUs would have to face a tough competition.
With such brilliant standards of English, am sure your law school will topple mine in no time.
Pritam Baruah (NALSAR, Oxford), Saurabh Bhattacharya (NALSAR, Michigan) alum), Manoj Kumar Sinha (ex director ISIL), Prabhash Ranjan (Kings College), Chinmayi Arun (NALSAR, AZB), Ruchira Goswaim (LSE, Chevening Scholar). Not to forget MP Singh.
All these young teachers teach at NUJS, and NUJS easily has the best faculty.
MOOTING- MPL has proved that NALSAR is the leader!
STUDENT ACHIEVEMENTS- Again we see NALSAR students winning rhodes, NUJS topping in TIER I MOOTs and Noojies starting up more often than NLSIU.
LOCATION- Yes mister! I am comparing you with NALSAR and NUJS! haha.
NLSIU is becoming substandard. Even the TOI report unearthed that (dunno why many people here have missed that).
Here it is articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-01-15/bangalore/28374340_1_nlsiu-national-law-school-india-university
"How much package" sounds like a Tijuana deal. Hell, I don't expect you to know what that means.
It's fine folks. Am a NALSARite posing as a fake law schoolite anyway. :D :P
But, I can guarantee you one thing. Come after 10 years from now, I will give you a job and the amount of salary which you are expecting from any of the places. Don't worry, now you can say what you want to. I wont bother. Make fun of me or whatever you want to do. You dont know who I am, and I do not want to let you know. I know your name and the college, and that is enough for this purpose. Not because I am flying in the air, but because of some reasons which I come across because of my bad language.
I agree I am not brilliant, but I have learnt few things that if one wants to do something,then one can easily get it.
I am not an NLS Student. Yes, I wanted to. I was good at GK, Maths, Logic, Legal but not at English. I was not able to comprehend The Hindu newspaper correctly. But, now I can. I was not good at grammar, but now I have improved it. I was not good at speaking, but now I can speak it at least(Not prefect, but I am trying to do so) But I am not sad because I didn't get NLS because I can do a lot at the place where I am studying currently.
No need to comment next like you are quite frustrated and all that.
I am not frustrated. I just want to let you know that people with bad English can improve it if they try. And, I am doing that. I will try to do what I have claimed above, I may fail in my claim but I would be happy that at least I tried. That is what I learn from the place where I am studying.
Disclosure: I am an NUJS Student, and I am proud of it.
Don't let stupid privately educated brat get to you!!
Keep going, good luck
:)
padhke aasoon aa gaye ;)
it obviously shows ur arrongant n ignorant attitude abt other ppl...ur like a frog in the well!!
There may be colleges offering amazing placements but the student life may be dismal.
People may be frustrated in college.
5 years is not only about learning enough to get into a law firm but to learn more about the world and yourself.
Whichever law school can teach you to work to your strengths and become not only a good lawyer but a decent enough person is better.
The last thing most of us want to be are nerdy or pseudo-intellectual corporate lawyers with a good pay but a life as exciting as a cacti in a desert.
P.S: The key is good placements and making your students more competent for the world. And that is a hard combination to strike.
Please. Stop fighting with these bacchas. Gold fighting with mud doesn't make the gold shine better. Right?
Informal discussion groups, normal academics (which is much more than faculty), research work outside the campus - so many things law schools can do. that NLS students do everyday.
And when you think mooting is the only thing, that's where you go wrong. It's ONE way to learn the law, there are many others. According to your standards, Oxford would sucks because they don't do moots?
The over-hype of mooting is systemic. Mooting is good, and if you like it, a brilliant activity. But going to the lib everyday and reading is just as good, or researching for some lawyer, or writing articles (which NLS does in hoardes). So when you have a close minded approach thinking faculty, infra this that and you start ranking 1,2 or 3, you suffer from restraining the academic freedom that defines a law school.
Have any NALSAR, NUJS people published in Company Lawyer, or JBL, or EJIL, or published books, or are there legal discussion forums there, do they submit proposals to Parliamentary standing committees, do they file Writs, go to the consumer courts? There are a million things you can do in Law school, mooting is only one! And only in India do we think its everything. THink beyond, child and recognize that winning a moot doesn't make you the best, neither does placements - it's the institutional freedom and student initiative - which may be reflected through moots, debates (which you conveniently excluded, where NALSAR does absolutely nothing, and NLS and NUJS have been faring well) and a hundred other activities.
Don't be close minded, please be open. And realize what a Law school is more, more than a job, a building and a moot court hall.
Yes in debating we need catching up to do but don't right us off as doing nothing. Like mooting we shall soon whip your ass in debating as well.
Mooting is one thing man. like the guy above said. So many other things ... and fighting like this only shows our insecurities.
NLS for example has a democratic student body, with discussions on social concerns almost everyday. So that makes it no. 1? No. There are a host of factors that make any law school good ... no need to say i'm second best, you're third best .. this that. grow up man.
mooting is a small activity amongst the sea of others. lets try and utilize all that and be the harvards and yales where RESEARCH is important, through moots or otherwise.
this pigeonholing of colleges as firt, second, third is quite pathetic.
It's sad if a college is judged purely by its recruitment, and it's incredibly stupid if mooting is high on the list of criteria to compare law colleges (ask any practising lawyer whether a moot or a viva or debate better prepared them for court, and the answer is almost never the moot)
Law colleges teach their students the law. Learning about constitutional rights is really moot (no pun intended) if you don't have free speech on your campus, as is the case with what is considered the second best law college in the country.
The reason that NLS is the best law school in the country is fairly simple. It's because it has the best student body (by virtue of 99% if CLAT toppers opting for it) coupled with the best opportunities for individual students to do what they're best at. So there's mooting, that several people do every year. But unlike NALSAR, that isn't the only, or even the primary activity there. There's debating, MUNs, conferences and seminars on various issues, a legal services clinic that does great volunteer work, research groups on every topic under the sun (so everyone can find their niche), one of India's largest rock shows, and a whole host other avenues for students to find themselves.
So, for example, it's now routine for NLS graduates to not necessarily be working in the legal domain. NLS is the only law school in the country that consultancy firms recruit from, for example. There are NLS graduates (and current students) writing fiction, opening restaurants, opening boutiques, becoming musicians, starting online businesses and what not. Just because a trumpet isn't blown about every time an NLS graduate starts a new entrepreneurial venture (unlike the fuss that followed the setting up of an LPO by an NUJS student), doesn't mean it doesn't happen. In fact, it suggests that it's more common, and that's what makes NLS (still) special, and a league ahead.
And this is also what translates into recruitment figures and more general, conventional measures of success. So while NLS may not win MPL-II (the horror!!!), it's still the most successful institution when all the activities it undertakes are considered. NLS is, for example, the only college in India to have made student representations to parliamentary committees on bills to be passed. It's the only college, to my knowledge, that has current students filing and fighting cases before authorities on behalf of the poor. It is, by a distance, the most successful Indian (and probably south asian) institution when it comes to parliamentary debate. It also has the best recruitment figures (when you look at diversity, average salaries, average offers per person, etc.).
But most importantly, walk into all three of the so-called top law schools, and you'll see the difference in terms of student quality.
And before someone gives the entire credit of all that NLS has achieved to its 20 odd years of existence, I would like to point out that every example i've mentioned is of people and events that have taken place after both NALSAR and NUJS, as well as NLU-J have been set up. NLS was better than these places in 2000, and it continues to be now. NALSAR, and especially NUJS, have done spectacularly well in the last few years at several things, but, apart from a few delusional first years, even they don't believe they're as good.
Also, the next time a kid from NUJS or NALSAR says that NLS is the third best college in the country, please reveal your CLAT rank in the year you joined college, and let us know whether you could have gotten into NLS (for those of you who are already in fifth year and therefore did not write the CLAT, this means tell us if you got into NLS. I believe that was a year in which waitlist 1 at NLS did not get in). If you are one of the 2-3 people who don't choose NLS for whatever reason, give us the same details about your average classmate. Thanks
Do you remember CLAT 2009 Paper? It was copied from Universal and Lexis Nexis. I think most of the muggers are in NLSIU, right? Because, in my knowledge there were many people who were brilliant( remember brilliant) and could not get a rank in top 60 because they didn't mug up. And, many of them landed in NALSAR and NUJS and trust they are a lot brilliant than most of the NLS kids.
CLAT is not an exam which can judge your excellence. It can judge your memory of course, but not excellence. Even NLUD Exam doesn't judge your excellence(I heard most of the logic questions were from past year papers, then what is the need of having an entrance). Let us have a team of muggers for CLAT.
I expected 2011 to be good paper which could judge excellence of students. But, again it was only for those who had good English reading speed and not on excellence. Many brilliant students could not make into NLS, because of the same reasons. We do not want English Teachers in a law school, but Lawyers who have good logic.
NLSIU is best because of its past batches, and it cannot be said that it would remain in the same position within 2-3 years. There is a reason why NALSAR and NUJS are compared with NLSIU at present. Because, Student Quality is not an issue since CLAT exam. And, year by year other colleges like GNLU, NLUJ, NLUD wold catch up because of the same reasons.
And, the kind of attitude which has been shown by you is another thing which has lead to the quality reduction of NLS.
NALSAR prepared a bill for Ministry of Law and Justice, Legal Practitioners (Regulations and Maintenance of Standards in Professions, Protecting the Interest of Clients and Promoting the Rule of Law) Act, 2010’. You can find it on Law Ministry Website, because I do not expect from you to be aware of this.
You said many things happened in NLSIU after 2000 when NUJS and NALSAR came into existence. Oh! So you are expecting for a new college to catch up with some 20-23 year old institution in a day or two. No, it is impractical. And, after 10 years down the line since 2000, yes NALSAR and NUJS have become competitors of NLSIU.
I heard, NUJS VC was in the committee which submitted the report on NLS standards. It was a government body, and it could have asked NLSIU VC to be in the committee. And, committee clearly shows the declining standards of NLSIU.
What makes NLS unique is the ideology, a myth and nothing else.
1. "NLS has much better student quality": Really? So missing NLS by .5-5 marks makes NALSAR and NUJS students less capabale? That is laughable!
Secondly, NALSAR and NUJS are outperforming you in moots. So the slighly better NLS students are actually being beaten.
That means, NALSAR and NUJS as institutions are making their students work harder and making them do better.
2. Other activities: See what the NUJS legal aid society has done (a national seminar for an all india collaboration, the shadinota project).
Also get to know where IDIA or Infocracy India originated and then comment on who is helping the poor through the instrumentality of law (answer: it is NUJS).
So yes, the other campuses too are full of all those things which make a good lawyer great!
3. Entrepreneurial things: NUJS is not just about one LPO. You seem to be out of touch with the news. Add to the one LPO, 2 law firms, and presently 3 student run startups! So well, NLS is now a distant second when it comes to entrepreneurship!
This brings us to the question: What makes NLS superior, if at all? The answer is nothing, but a self perpetuating myth.
The fact is that NALSAR has that infrastructure which NLS can only crave for; NUJS has the location and the faculty which NLS can only crave for and the rest of the considerations are very much neck to neck.
And while NLS kids might still be stuck on CLAT ranks; NUJS and NALSAR kids are racing ahead.
And buddy, if you say that .50-5 marks lead to a better student quality, then well, you are delusional!
I remember a story about relatively junior lawyer who appeared against a highly reputed lawyer. He started with a story - A man bought a high end car and started driving home in it. On the way the car stopped. He opened the hood and found the car had no engine. The judge asked, 'You said a car which was running stopped and the driver found that the car had no engine. So how did it run so far?' The answer came with a glance at the senior lawyer - 'on reputation'
Exactly what is happening with NLS
To the guy above: I like how you choose the one year that NALSAR set the CLAT as your example of how student quality is not best at NLS.
Second, again, please get over mooting. It isn't a judge of anything, except mooting. Also, doing well in MPL is not synonymous with doing well in mooting. As anyone will tell you, all marking systems, including MPL, are subjective. I'm sure a genuine attempt is made to not be, and I'm also sure that there's no bias, but there's still subjectivity (in choosing which moots go in what scale, in choosing how many points you get for what performance in what scale, in equating an hon-men at vis with a 100 place finish at Jessup, etc.). So get over your MPL glory because a) it doesn't even necessarily imply mooting glory and b)even if it did, that doesn't mean anything.
On entrepreneurship: 6 ventures by NUJS kids makes NLS second how exactly?
As to whether superiority is self perpetuating, i'll ask you this. When you wrote the law entrance exam, and got whatever rank you did, would you have chosen NLS if it was an option. When you filled the CLAT form, was NLS first on your list.
All that astonishes me is how, apart from some people at NALSAR and some at NUJS, everyone else seems to be "delusional" and genuinely believe that NLS is better. law firms across the world and in India, institutions of higher learning across the world, students getting into law schools, everyone who has an opinion about law colleges in India (except for the aforementioned kids at NUJS and NALSAR) seems to have a fairly unanimous view. That view is NOT that NLS is the third best law college in the country
So, are you sure that CLAT judges a quality of the students? Leave CLAT 2009, CLAT 2011 was for those who had better ENGLISH READING SPEED( I hope you can read the capital letters), CLAT is a shit exam and we all know that.
I completely agree with the above person on the quality of CLAT.
Oh! It is well known among all the law firms, students and blah! Blah! Blah!.
Then why top National Law firms recruit more students from NUJS than NLSIU. Or foreign Universities like Yale, Harvad provide admission to NALSAR students. Or why NALSAR students get Rhodes Scholarship when we have NLS.
entrepreneurship - most of the entrepreneurial work is done by NLS Student who passed out some 6-7 years ago. And, not after that. You know that, and we all know that. That people were just amazing, but current batches of NLS are not like them, agreed? If not, then please let us know an such kind of work within last 3-4 year ( People who passed out with that period). On the other hand, entrepreneurship in NUJS is on a rise. 2 start-ups this year itself.
Perception is what making NLS people arrogant. Perception is what making NLS people to show attitude. Staying on earth is what most of us have learnt apart from NLS people.
We would have chosen because we had a perception, we were not aware of the reality. We were following what we were asked to follow. We were not much into legal filed at that point of time, so we could not have our own opinion. We were told that "NLS is harvard of the east", but no one informed us that this name was provided to NLS by NLS itself and not by Harvard School. It was the tradition, but I doubt it now.
NLDU were 3-1 (losing one to NLS). GNLU lost 2, on 2-2.
Yet they broke! NLS didn't. Haha. Arbitrary.
And stop this NLS bashing. NLS still submits reports to parlimentary committees, discussion groups, Ox, Harvard, what not. Mooting is not the end of the world! Esepcially when the Jessup team gets relegated for some shit reason, and south teams dont even break at the internationals!
In fact is there any moot in the world in which NLS looses and it is not arbitrary??
Whereas the round in which NLU Delhi beat NLS was held in Indonesia.
Now tell which one is arbitrary. ;)
Information assymtery. When you don't know, don't talk!
And NUJS Legal clinic has done well. NLS has gone to the Consumer Court over Pepsi, filed writs, conducted numerous legal clinics all over Bangalore, what not. Working on Oxford Indian Judiciary Accessiblity reforms, etc. etc.
Mooting is not the only way to learn! IT's only one, there are many others, stop being so closed minded man.
Again. Get information, then talk.
Even for this year some fantastic profs are joining NUJS (See Vishwas Devaiah www.nujs.edu/faculty/vishwas-devaiah.html)
- Your boss
NLU Delhi well done. Congrats. I hope without Vis HK, Vienna, Commonwealth and ICC Trial, their performance is brilliant to threaten NLS and NUJS, but forget about attaining first place.
I have heard that the same team (whose speakers did not even figure out even in top 200 speakers) at jessup world finals won ICC trail representing NALSAR before 2 years.
That should explain the difference.
I know its hard to accept NLU-D's caliber.
@[RB]---Do you think making fun of someone's english will help you win the argument. I hate to burst your bubble but no. You need to have sound logic for winning arguments. Logic needs no language, dude. I missed NLS by one mark....I was lucky to hve been educated at one of the best schools in India. I got the environment to learn English. Hardcore grammar and pronunciation. But I was taught at school at college and most importantly at home not to make fun of other people. I was taught to be civil to others.
Maybe [RB] you missed those lesson or maybe ur upbringing was such that you never got those lessons. Sad!!!
That is arbitrary :)
Because he could not bear people challenging the supremacy of his beloved college :P
Nujs -199
NLS- 191.
Shut up people. NALSAR wins. No need to go on writing pages about who is better. Its clear from the results.
as someone said before, MPL is far from perfect.
NUJS has the best placments, the best faculty, the best location and is winning the best of moots! Hope to see it right on top this year with CLAT aspirants.
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