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Jindal bests Nalsar, NLIU for Moot win; NUJS narrows MPL gap; NLS wins one

Jindal enters mooting fray as Indian teams fail to break at Vis Hong Kong Moot although NUJS and NLSIU managed to pick up honourable mentions. Plus the NFCG-Nalsar Moot…

Jindal Global Law School announced its presence in the Mooting Premier League sponsored by Allen & Overy with a successful campaign at the NLS International Arbitration Moot, defeating current MPL leaders Nalsar Hyderabad in the semi finals and NLIU Bhopal in the finals.

At the prestigious Willem C. Vis (East) International Commercial Arbitration Moot, Hong Kong, Indian teams could not break into the last sixteen but NUJS Kolkata and NLS Bangalore won Honorable mentions for the best respondent memorandum.

And NLSIU Bangalore defeated HNLU Raipur at the Nalsar-NFCG Corporate Governance moot, Hyderabad.

The three moots were blogged by the MPL team last Sunday, where chances of teams going past the indomitable Nalsar in this season were also discussed. The conclusion was: the MPL is still very much winnable by NUJS.

Vis Hong Kong

Many were hoping that Indian teams would enjoy a successful run at this Tier 1 moot, but none of the Indian participants could break into the octa-finals.

Nevertheless, NLSIU and NUJS won Honorable Mentions for the Best Respondent’s Memorandum and earned 10 MPL points each. The NUJS team from also won the Shanghai pre moot and finished runners up at the India pre moot last month. NLIU Bhopal was also awarded the Spirit of the Moot award for overcoming substantial obstacles and participating in the moot.

NLS International Arbitration

A team of second year students from Jindal Global Law School emerged winners at this Tier 4 moot which saw participation from 28 teams. NLIU Bhopal finished runners up and NLU Delhi won the best memorandum award.

GNLU Gandhinagar and Nalsar finished semi finalists. Aayog Doshi from GNLU won the best speaker award.

Karl P Rustumkhan, the JGLS oralist, told Legally India that he was thrilled to win his first moot. “We had been working on this for the last 3 months or so. We thank our faculty for their help. The problem was well drafted. The initial rounds were quite easy, but in the semis and the finals, the judges were too stringent and they tried to impose their understanding of the law.”

Best speaker Aayog from GNLU said he appreciated the judging standards of the moot. “It was a great learning experience. The problem was also very well drafted and with sound research, I was able to speak well. It was an intellectually stimulating moot.”

Nalsar – NFCG Corporate Governance

NLSIU Bangalore emerged winners here and also won the best memorandum award. HNLU Raipur came out with a strong performance finishing runners-up and its speaker Karandeep winning the best speaker award. GNLU Gandhinagar and NLIU Bhopal finished semi finalists.

Karandeep, HNLU’s best oralist winner, said that the moot discussed contemporary issues relating to the problems faced by investors today. “The moot was very relevant to the present time. The judges were really good, most of them were Nalsar alumni in the initial stages and High Court justices and senior advocates at the end. They asked good questions and gave us valuable suggestions.”

With only three mooting events left this season, the quest for the top spot will be intense with NUJS hoping to get ahead of Nalsar in the MPL Standings and only 10 points separating the teams.

Teams are sure to be duking it out at Vis Vienna, the only Tier 1 global championship moot left this season.

Allen & Overy is the sponsor of the MPL 2 and is hosting an international finance and corporate course at Nalsar Hyderabad between 4 and 8 July.

Mooting Premier League 2 season standings

Pos Law school Pts Details
1 Nalsar Hyderabad 189 [NLS Arbitration] (Semi-finalist); Jessup International Rounds (10th Best Memorandum); Stetson World Rounds (8th best oralist); ISRO Manfred Lachs (Runners-up, Best Speaker); Leiden-Sarin (Runners-up); Amity (Semi-finalist, Best Memorandum); SP Sathe (Winner, best speaker); NLU-J Antitrust (Winner, best memorandum, best speaker); GIMC (Runners up); KLA Moot (Winners); BCI Moot (Winners);Jessup South (Runners up);NLIU-Juris Corp (Best speaker); Stetson South India (Winner), Nani Palkhiwala (Winners), Surana Int\'l Minority (Semifinalist); Surana Tiral Advocacy South (Seminfinalist)
2 NUJS Kolkata 179 [Vis-HK] (Honourable Mention for Best Respondent\'s Memorandum); Jessup International Rounds (Quarter-finalist, 16th Best Memorandum, 29th Best Speaker, 36th Best Speaker); Fiat Justitia (Winners, best memorandum); [NLU-D Corp Law] (Runners up); NLU-J Antitrust (Semi finalist); KLA Moot (Best Speaker, Runners up);BCI Moot (Semifinalist); Commonwealth International Rounds (Best Speaker, Semifinalist); Jessup North (Runners-up, Best Memorandum); Oxford-Media India Round (Winner); Commonwealth India Rounds (Winners; Best Memo); Nalsar B.R. Sawhny Moot (Best Memo, Best Speaker, Semi-finalist)
3 NLU Delhi 162 [NLS Arbitration] (Best Memorandum); Jessup International Rounds (Octa-finalist, Overall Best Applicant Award, 9th Best Speaker, 17th Best Speaker); Leiden-Sarin (Best speaker); Herbert Smith (Runners up, Best Speaker); Fiat Justitia (Runners up); DM Harish (Semifinalist);KLA Moot (Semifinalist);Jessup North (Winner, Best Speaker); KK Luthra (Runners up); HNLU Moot (Winner, Best Speaker, Best Researcher) Nalsar B.R. Sawhny Moot (Semi finalist) Henry Dunant (Runners up)
4 NLSIU Bangalore 141 [Vis-HK] (Honourable Mention for Best Respondent\'s Memorandum); [Nalsar-NFCG] (Winner, best memorandum); Oxford Media Law (Semi finalist, Best speaker); ISRO Manfred Lachs (Winner); Herbert Smith (Semifinalist);GIMC (Semifinalist); DM Harish (Best Researcher);BCI Moot (Runners up);Jessup South (Best Speaker, Semifinalist); KK Luthra (Semi finalist); Oxford-Media India Round (Runners up, Best speaker); Stetson South India (Semi-finalist), Nani Palkhiwala (Best Speaker), Rizvi Moot (Winners)
5 ILS Pune 94 Jessup International Rounds (30th Best Speaker, 56th Best Speaker); Amity (Best Speaker); Raisoni (Runners up); Surana IT (Semi finalist); Surana Corp (Best Memorandum, Semifinalist); Jessup South (Winners, Best Memorandum);Stetson South India (Semi-finalist), Surana Trial Advocacy South (Winners)
6 NLU Jodhpur 86.5 ELSA-WTO Asia Rounds (Best Memorandum Overall, Best Memorandum Complainant); Amity (Runners up, Best Researcher); Herbert Smith (Best Memo, Semifinalist);Fiat Justitia (Super six); Surana IT (Runners up); Surana Corp (Winners); GIMC (Semifinalist);Oxford-Media India Round (Semi finalist, Best memorandum); NLIU-Juris Corp (Runners up); Maritime International Arbitration Moot, Sydney (The Sarah Derrington Encouragement Award)*
7 HNLU Raipur 84 [Nalsar-NFCG] (Runners-up, best speaker); Red Cross Moot (Runners up); ULC Moot (Best Memorandum, Best Researcher);BCI Moot (Best Female Speaker);Oxford-Media India Round (Semi finalist); NLIU-Juris Corp (Winner); Henry Dunant (Winners)
8 NLIU Bhopal 83 [Nalsar-NFCG] (Semi-finalist); [NLS Arbitration] (Runners-up); Herbert Smith (Winners);ULC Moot (Best Speaker, Semifinalist); Stetson North (Semi finalist); HNLU Moot {Semi-finalist) Nani Palkhiwala (Best Researcher), Surana Trial Advocacy North (Winners, Best Speaker), Henry Dunant (Semifinalist, Best Memo), Rizvi Moot (semi-finalist)
9 GNLU Gandhinagar 80 [Nalsar-NFCG] (Semi-finalist); [NLS Arbitration] (Semi-finalist, best speaker); Pro bono Moot (Semi finalist); Raisoni (Semi finalists, Best Memo); DM Harish (Winners); BCI Moot (Best Memorandum, Best Male Speaker);ICC Mediation (Special Award for the Team Which Best Acknowledged Cultural Differences);Commonwealth India Rounds (Semi finalists); John Marshall (Winner, Ambassador Round), Nani Palkhiwala (Semifinalist), Surana Trial Advocacy North (Semifinalist)
10 RGNUL Patiala 77.5 Pro bono Moot (Best Researcher); SP Sathe (Runners-up); NLU-D Corp Law (Winners, best memorandum (joint), best researcher); Surana IT (Semi finalist); DM Harish (Runners up);KK Luthra (Best speaker); Stetson North (Semi finalist, best speaker); NLIU-Juris Corp (Semi finalist); Surana Trial Advocacy North (Runners up), Rizvi Moot (best speaker)
11 NUALS Kochi 68 Stetson World Rounds (3rd best memo, 10th best oralist);Surana IT (Winners); Surana Corp (Best Speaker); Stetson South India (Runner-up, Best Memo), Nalsar B.R. Sawhny Moot (Runner up) Surana Trial Advocacy North (Best Memo), Surana Int\'l Minority (Runners up)
12 RMNLU Lucknow 49 ISRO Manfred Lachs (Semi-finalist); SP Sathe (Semi-finalist, best memorandum); Surana IT (Best Memorandum); NLU-D Corp Law (Semi finalist); Surana Corp (Runners up); GIMC (Best Memorandum);Henry Dunant (Best Researcher)
13 Government Law College, Mumbai 45.5 NLU-D Corp Law (Best speaker); Fiat Justitia (Super six, best speaker); NLU-J Antitrust (Semi finalist); DM Harish (Best Memorandum);KLA Moot (Best Memorandum);Jessup South (Semifinalist);Nani Palkhiwala (Best Memo)
14 SOEL Chennai 41 Surana IT (Best speaker); NLU-D Corp Law (Semi finalist); Commonwealth India Rounds (Runners up, Best Speaker); Surana Int\'l Minority (Winners), Surana Tiral Advocacy South (Runners up, Best Speaker)
15 Army Institute of Law, Mohali 35 Pro bono Moot (Semi finalist, Best Memo); KLA Moot (Semifinalist);Nani Palkhiwala (Semifinalist), Surana Int\'l Minority(Best Memo), Rizvi Moot (runner-up, best memo)
16 UILS Chandigarh 33 ULC Moot (Winners); Stetson North (Runners up); Nani Palkhiwala (Runners Up), Surana Trial Advocacy South (Best Memo)
17 Campus Law Centre Delhi 29.5 SP Sathe (Semi-finalist); Fiat Justitia (Super six); NLU-J Antitrust (Runners-up); HNLU Moot (Runners up, Best Memorandum) Nalsar B.R. Sawhny Moot (Winner)
18 Amity Law School 22 ISRO Manfred Lachs (Semi-finalist); Amity (Semi-finalist); Jessup North (Semi-finalist); Stetson North (Best memorandum); Commonwealth India Rounds (Semi finalists)
19 University School of Law and Legal Studies, Guru Gobind Singh Indraprashta University, Delhi 20 Stetson North (Winner)
19 Symbiosis, Pune 20 Pro bono Moot (Runners up); Raisoni (Winners); NLU-J Antitrust (Best researcher)
21 Jindal Global Law School 15 [NLS Arbitration] (Winner)
21 Institute of Law, Nirma University, Ahmedabad 15 Henry Dunant (Semifinalist, Best Speaker)
21 Law Centre I (LC-I) Delhi University 15 FDI Moot (Semi-finalist; 2 Honourable Mentions); Surana Trial Advocacy North (Semifinalist), Rizvi Moot (semifinalist)
21 Tamil Nadu Dr. Ambedkar Law University, Government Law College Chennai 15 Amity (Winner)
25 CNLU Patna 13 Jessup North (Semi-finalist); NLIU-Juris Corp (Semi finalist, Best Memorandum)
26 M.S.Ramaiah College of Law 10 Pro bono Moot (Winners)
26 Bishop Cottons Women\'s Christian Law School, Bangalore 10 Stetson South India (Best Speaker)
28 Baroda School of Legal Studies 8 Raisoni (Semi finalists, Best Speaker)
29 Satara University 5 Pro bono Moot (Best Speaker)
29 Faculty of Law, University of Allahabad 5 BCI Moot (Semifinalist);
29 Seedling School of Law and Governance, Jaipur 5 Surana Int\'l Minority (Best Speaker)
29 CMR Law College, Bangalore 5 ULC Moot (Runners up);
33 School of Law, Christ University 4 Surana Corp (Semifinalist);
34 CUSAT Kochi 3 Surana Int\'l Minority(Semifinalist)
34 Rajiv Gandhi School of Intellectual Property Law, IIT, Kharagpur 3 HNLU Moot (Semi finalist)
34 New Law College, Bharti Vidayapeeth University, Pune 3 Surana Trial Advocacy South (Semifinalist)
34 Government Law College, Ernakulam 3 ULC Moot (Semifinalist);
38 NLU Orissa 2.5 NLU-D Corp Law (Best memorandum (joint))
39 V.M. Salgaocar Law College, Panjim 1.5 Fiat Justitia (Super six)

Legend: T1, T2, T3, T4 and T5 (total points won in each tier); Pos (Position); W (Wins); R/u (Runner-ups); S/F- Semifinalist; B S (Best speaker); B M/R (Best Memorial/Researcher); HM (Honorable Mention & other equivalent awards); Pts (Points) For more information please refer to the MPL 2 rulebook.

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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 01:04
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 01:10
Even I have heard the same! NALSAR = arrogance
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 01:29
d reason is...all dose in Jindal once dreamed of going to NALSAR .....but clat shattered their dreams....i have friends in even hnlu and rmnlu who chose not to go to jindal despite being offered scholarship...by jgls....anywaz...good job jindal faculty....but for how long can u draft the memo and prepare the oral arguments for your [...] pupils....
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 01:35
How come NLSIU did not break into knock-out rounds at VIS????

If there is good judging NLS has to perform well!

Looks like even VIS had bad judging!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 01:41
NLSIU's record at Vis has always been poor. NLS could not get into Final rounds of Vis ever in the history.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 01:46
@ Dude. Dnt say that because 90% of the students dreamt of NLSIU, but CLAT shattered their dreams. And I heard that NALSAR had a mooting coach for a long period of time. I mean seriously faculty involved in teaching students how to prepare arguments, rebuttal etc.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 01:48
No dude

If there is good judging its theoretically impossible for NLS to loose.

The formula is very simple

NLS wins = good judging

NLS looses = bad judging
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 01:49
@7 Yes Dude. agreed. Even I think NLS is a victim of Bad Judging at Vis :P
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 01:55
Stop it you jerks. No faculty drafts our memos. They could not have one if they did. How can you answer questions if you do not know your authorities. Clearly you have never mooted in your life. God help your college if you did. And if you guys are from the Nationals, thank God you did not get in- you're clearly dumb, with no command over the English language. I have people here who left RMLNLU, NUJS(on NRI quota, which has a high cutoff also), NLUD( that was our NLSIA oralist), HNLU and even GNLU to come to Jindal. So, likewise, your argument would be pointless. Our second years were up against 5th years in the finals. So there!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:01
So there are only three moots in India with good judging NLASAR-NFCG, Lachs (quite obvious) and Rizvi?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:03
Spare the sarcasm.
I bet the pathetic caustic comments stem from your own personal failure and angst. Try and adress that issue instead of hitting out at others.

The noise about the Jessup South India Rounds was justified.
It was fairly established and endorsed by the *brilliant* performance displayed by the *South Winners* - ILS.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:13
evrybody knows who cries out of personal failure.

ILS speakers stood 30th and 56th in world finals!

If you want to compare i will give you last year oral rankings of your college 53 and 56.

ILS could not break into top 32 because they faced a Semi-finalist in their prelims.

they stood 40 with very high raw scores.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:14
@ 11- But man, performance of ILS was better than NALSAR with at least speakers got honorable mentions. That means their performance from South India was the best, and going by this logic, NLS could not have been able to win even a single round :P. Yes of course, Jessup had bad juding

Read it again - ILS received two honorable mentions, and NALSAR had only memo points. THIS CLEARLY SHOWS THAT ILS WAS JUSTIFIED IN WINNING SOUTH ROUNDS
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:23
3083 is a high raw score? Are you kidding me? 3083 means ILS would have broken as one of the lowest 4 - 0s had they won all their rounds (which they did not), and a middle one if they had won 3 of their rounds (which they did not).
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:29
@ 11, Still crying over ILS victory? Both their speakers are in top 100 oralists at the world rounds.

That team worked day and night for jessups and in ILS teams dont know the meaning of the phrase "college support" unlike N- schools where you get everything.

BTW congrats to JGLS.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:29
Let's be very clear about something. Not breaking into the top 32 (out of some 100 teams) at the Jessup internationals is a disgrace. Speaker ranks of 30-something and 60-something do not mask that - in fact, they are NOT Hon Mens - only the top 20 oralists are Hon Mens.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:30
But, ILS's raw points was high than NALSAR's raw :P. So, there is no question of bad judging at South Rounds
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:34
If they would not have lost to that semi-finalist they wold have been 3-1 (now they are 2-2) and their rank would have been 22.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:34
@ 16 - I think the question of what is to be counted for honourable mention and what is not be counted, has been resolved in one of the previous posts. kindly refer to that post.!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:38
There is nothing called Hon Men in jessup.

top 50 speakers were given prizes at jessup world finals not 20.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:38
please stop this stupid debate people... !!! the truth is National Law Schools in India can never lose their reputation being backed by the govt. just the way IIT's are.... no private engineering college in India despite their impressive infrastructure could beat the IIT's when it comes to student preference.... Over the years the Nationals Law Schools have carved a niche for themselves...around the world... but i appreciate the Jindal concept...which envisages to provide global legal education...but lets not overlook the economic reality of this country... moreover Indians have an obsession with anything that is National...or Indian....private players don't have a share in the market... This discrepancy can be evaluated easily by looking at the number of applications sent to CLAT every year as compared to Jindal...17k in CLAT last year...and Jindal was finding it difficult to fill its seats... This year...250000 students would be taking clat...for less than 1100 general category seats...and the top 6 nationals close within all india rank 600....
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:42
Comparing Jindal with the National Law Schools is like comparing VIT and BITS with IIT's.....no matter what these private institutes do...IIT's and Nationals in India can never lose their lustre
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:43
@21- R u serious ? U are from a National ? 250000 taking clat this time? U have lost it.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:43
some times unfortunately teams may face tough teams in prelims itself.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:43
It's pointless arguing with pea-brains. When you get the chance, and if you're inclined enough, compare the top 4 N-Schools, as you'll call them, to any of the other Law Colleges in this country, on any criterion of your choice mooting, or whatever, and conduct some comparative analysis, assuming that is of course, that you're competent enough to do so.
And stop mud slinging. It's disgusting. The top 4 colleges are good, and will continue to be so. Healthy competition elevates performance, and not this juvenile sick mud slinging.


@12 - I didn't mention my college. On what basis did you assume I'm from NLS?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:44
I think the title of the article should read 'Jindal bests Nalsar, NLIU for Moot win' instead of 'Jindal bests Nalsar, NLIU for Moot win'

[Yes, you are correct, thank you for pointing out it has now been corrected! -Ed]
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:44
I don't think it's fair to say that NLIU won the moot for Overcoming substantial obstacles and participating in the moot.It seems derogatory. While that may be description of the award, its not usually decided on something like that. The spirit of the moot is decided based on voting from all participants and it is usually on things like:
1) respect the team has earned from its peers
2) general popularity
3) being a good ambassador for the college and country
4) things like that...
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:49
@ 23# -- I am sorry that was a typing error. Around 25000 students are taking CLAT this year.

articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2011-04-06/kanpur/29388098_1_clat-aspirants-law-colleges
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:51
Hey Guys, Why are we referring to IITs, and why are we even comparing IITs with National Law universities.

Have you ever seen the unity which is present among IITians. They do not fight like us. They consider themselves under the same family.

Warren Buffet asked Bill Gates to tell him the institution where he should recruit from. Bill gates said "IIT"., and not IIT-K,IIT-D,IIT-B,IIT-Kgp.

National law Schools fight like dogs, "My car is better than yours", and in each and every point they wnt to show their superiority.

Please, dont compare IITs with NLUs

Regards,
National Law Schoolite and not only a student of NUJS!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:55
@ 28 - Man! one "zero" can change anything when you would be drafting agreements :P. lol .
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 02:56
Firstly no body is comparing Jindal with N-schools (one day they will be).

The point is that every school has got talent. just the percentage of talent differs in various colleges.

May be in N-schools have got 30 talents kids in batch of 50 and other schools have 5 in a batch of 50.

That doesnot mean no other school can ever win a moot other than NLSIU.

@ 21 even though 2,50,000(i dont know how far it is true!) write CLAT. the ratio of applications:seats may be same with IIT- JEE or other competitive exams but the quality of preparation is different

out of 250000 there will not even be 2500 who are seriously preparing. but in case of other exams 90% of the applicants are serious. so please dont compare N-schools with IIt's and IIM's
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 03:03
@ 31 - That shows your level of seriousness and not of the 90% of the candidates. There might have a case that the place which you belong to had 10% serious kinds, and rest of them landed up in Jindal :P
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 03:14
chill dude! you are a studd and those 4 (people used to say 3 when did it become 4?) schools are the best others are just time-passing.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 03:19
Time-passing?

Wasn't it passing time?
And wasn't it stud*?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 03:57
Dear Shakespeare, Pardon my ignorance.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 04:12
Wont NALSAR get points for 2nd best speaker and 2nd best memo?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 04:30
@ 36 - Lol :P wont someone get points for 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th best speaker and memo :P

Why dont we allot points to every participating team :P
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 04:58
[...] (nalsar) congratulations for losing to first time mooters....
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 05:16
@#12: "ILS Could not break into top 32 cos they faced a semi-finalist in their prelims" --- so did NUJS in their prelims (which is why they broke 3-1). that's no justification for not making it to 32.
@#16: who told u only top 20 oralists r hon mens? Nowhere does ILSA say it. I agree with #20.

None of this is to take away from the fact that they (ILS) did a great job, and sometimes u can't help the luck of the draw at jessup, with respect to teams u face and with respect to judges who mark you. WHICH IS WHY top 50 oralists are honoured at the ILSA awards, since very few points separate them.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 05:28
dude dont be so obsessed with scores on MPL....trust me, after having reached semis,every college is more or less of equal level but wt wud matter is there performance in particular round and sometimes, the sides[appellant/responden t] u r arguing...
neway,having got 2nd best NAlSAR has done a gud job bt ask the mooters,did they do this moot to get points on MPL or to hone their argumentation n knowledge
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 05:28
@ 39

At least until last year, only the top 20 oralists were honoured with plaques. That is ILSA's way of hnouring the best oralists. ILSA also comes out with a regulation list of the top 100 speakers and the top 30 memos, but that is not equivalent to an Hon Men.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 06:36
NLU Delhi got Hon. Mention for "Best Applicant Side". Agreed. It was a new award introduced this year. There was another award introduced this year, it was the best applicant memorial, NALSAR team were the runners up for that award, still nalsar didnt get any honourable mention for that. A 56th best speaker gets an honorable mention but a runners up for best applicant memorial doesnt get it. Tht aint fair. Is it? If you doubt the veracity of my statement, check this, www.ilsa.org/jessup/archives/2011.php
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 07:08
You jokers need to get over this unhealthy obsession with moot courts which legallyindia seems to be encouraging. as far as i know nothing evr came of moot scores and once ure out of law school such things count for less than a gadha's backside. why not spend the time improving ur academics and securing a good job instead?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 07:10
A 56th speaker gets it because its worth. NALSAR speakers were not in top 100 not even in Top 200.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 07:42
@42 - Dude. Points were meant for "Best" and not for "Runners up"
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 09:06
@#41: this year, 25 got plaques, next 25 (up to 50) got books. so top 50 were honoured on stage at the awards ceremony.
I'm not sure about the number of memorials, but at least 25 were honoured on stage.
I am not speaking of the list published by ILSA on its website.
Moreover, the certificates awarded did not mention the rank but just mentioned "top 100 oralists" or "top (25) memorials"
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 09:15
Dear Kian
NLU Delhi got points for honourable mention under the Best Applicant Side catergory, this was an award introduced this year. Agreed. There was another award which was introduced this year, it was the best applicant memorial, Jessup gave this award to three participating institutions, Nalsar was one of them. I see no reasons as why this wasnt considered as an honourable mention. If you have doubts about the veracity of this statement, you can check their official website. www.ilsa.org/jessup/archives/2011.php
I think Nalsar deserves points for honourable mention here considering the fact that colleges have got points for getting the 56th Best Speaker Award and NLU Delhi for Best Applicant Side Award.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 10:06
And NUJS has won 2 honourable mentions at the Vis (HK) moot. Please check.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 12:29
the only way the likes of jindal, amity and other tier 3 pvt colleges can overtake NLUs is if foreign univs are allowed in and that too in law (bcoz govt colleges are bureaucratic and will not tie up with them). but liberalisaton is very unlikely , so pls don't have any delusions about overtaking NLUs.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 14:21
47 does make a valid point. What say you?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 15:03
An uncanny parallel can be drawn between the present state of Indian mooting and the Indian Cricket Team's fortune in 70s and 80s, there were some rare wins on foreign soil, rarer crowning victories (like 1983) but in broader perspective thrashed abroad. Similarly today Indian mooting circle squabbles over honourable mention and spirit of the moot award but can break into finals and harp back to past international wins (which can be counted on finger tips). Instead of cooperating and increasing the quality of domestic mooting sector by incorporating the best practices of winning countries we squabble over washing plates, moody prima donnas, alleged help from prof or 'moot coaches' (again this can be compared to the wrangling of regional cricket boards of 70s which is carried onto this day). I do sincerely hope that Indian moot teams goto foreign moot courts not for good photo ops but also to win.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 13 Apr 11, 18:56
@ #48

I am from NUJS. As far as I am aware, NUJS only received one honourable mention at Vis (East). Although, I would be only too glad to hear that you are right.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 02:04
HNLU is doing so well Best of luck guys
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 06:12
Hello Kian,
any news from ICC Hague???
was there any national university team which participated???
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 07:51
kian is smiling somewhere..."my MPL has become so cool..people fight about it"..congrats kian..

to all you losers out there- go play with yourself...its more worthwhile than fighting it out here!!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 08:59
ha ha ha .. this is so funny!!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 09:25
@45, DUDE! Are u so thick minded? A team gets second best applicant memo in the world and a speaker gets 56th best speaker awrd. u dont see a difference? your level of intelligence appalls me.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 09:29
hey kian any news as to which teams made it to the Asia Pacific Rounds at Manfred Lachs? this time around only 20 teams are to get through on the basis of memo scores
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 09:49
congratulations to benny and shiv. great job! expected this after all your hardwork.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 10:29
As of now Amity and RGNUL r other teams to qualify.. Kian plz post a news regarding this..
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 10:43
NLU Delhi is one of the top 20 teams in Asia-Pacific-Manfred Lachs!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 12:34
Yes Kian, #42 and 47 Do make sense. It will be really unfair if LI maintains such double standards. :/
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 14:34
@47...and NLU Delhi was overall 9th in the world in Jessup. Include this too into your demands... :D
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 19:20
How come even after having such top memo rank NLASAR did not make to the knock outs? especially in jessup if i am not wrong memo contributes 33% and orals contribute 66%.

NALSAR speakers should have performed *really* good for a team not to go to knock-outs even after having such high memo marks.

Conclusion- This shows teachers draft Memos in NALSAR and not in JGLS.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 21:29
LOL! Ur logic amuses me. And ur intelligence, hats off to you.
Conclusion: You are from JGLS. :P
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 22:22
Thanks #64,

If our professors were drafting our memos, we would have been winning Best Memo everywhere. Trust me, our professors are that brilliant.
However, we are a new University. We do not have seniors or anybody to tell us how to write a memo. So, just like any other new University, we are struggling with writing memos. Only the students who have been to a couple of moots actually know how to write a fairly good memo. Also, we are struggling with the dynamics and structure of our society, which is why we have not been able to capitalize on mooting events- even in case of participation. NLUD on the other hand has sound organization which has helped them do so well in such a short span of time.
Another major concern in Jindal is lack of faculty support. Contrary to popular perception, our professors think that mooting is a waste of time. They want us to focus on research and academics. Therefore, they don't like to give us leave from classes even a day before the moot or memo submission. Nor do they postpone assignments. In fact, they grumble about us not doing our readings once in a while and keep telling us to not prioritize mooting. We just have three-four faculty members who want us to moot and support us logistically. Otherwise, if a teacher tells the VC not to send us for a moot- we are not sent for it.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 22:25
I am from Jindal- # 64 cannot be from my college. We know nothing about Jessup- not gotten there.
Also, please refrain from such worthless digs- we gave LSAT, which has far superior logic than CLAT- which needs you to simply mug stuff up
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 22:27
Update about who's hot and who's not in Manfred Lachs..which are the Indian teams to have qualified?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 14 Apr 11, 23:10
haha..good point.
Its actually much more easy in jessup world finals to go to knock outs if you have high memo marks.

A team is declared winner in match not based on memo marks(33%) + orals(66%) but based on round points.

considering NALSAR has very high memo marks they will be declared as winners of the whole round even if "1 judge" out of 3 judge panel marks them more in orals. so NALSAR speakers should have performed *really* *really* good not to make it to knock outs.
That is why they dint figure out in top oralist list. Not even in the list of "top 200 speakers" as some one pointed out earlier.
CONCLUSION- ROFL.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 00:02
@ 69

Not really. The way it works in the prelims is that your highest memo score (out of three judges) is compared with your opponent's highest memo score, your middle score with your opponent's middle score, and your lowest score with your opponent's lowest score. This is done for both Applicant and Respondent. Thus, having an overall high memo score does not necessarily guarantee qualification. You may have a very high Applicant and a very low Respondent memo score, which means you'll be in trouble in two rounds. You may also be marked extremely highly by one memo judge and mediocre by the other two, which again means that you will lose two rounds points.

But what about ILS, who have neither a good memo score, nor made the break?
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 00:31
According to the results page NALSAR not only had the 2nd best memo in applicant but good respondent memo marks too.(they are 10th overall in memo). So even your best middle and low scores are considered they should have got most of the most of the memo points(if not all).
I dont know about ILS memo scores because they are not posted on the results page. seeing their good oralist rankings and decent position(40) its quite obvious that their memos were the reason they dint break even though they had high oral scores.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 01:28
I dunno why South Jessup colleges are such R' tards!Get a life, and stop celebrating mediocrity. Ever seen NLUD or NUJS fighting over mooting? Thats what comes with talent = Maturity.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 01:45
One can never equate mooting directly neither to the quality of student nor the school. Mooting depends a lot on luck and probability(hard work does help but not completely).
Nothing can be generalized because everything is subjective.

Especially in international rounds where the number of teams are high (120 in jessup, 250 in vienna)it is highly improbable and subjective.
120 teams in jessup have 240 memorials and each side is judged by 3 judges that make it 720(actual number is around 500 because 1 person may correct 2 memos) . Its just like a Delhi university paper correction.

According to some judge best memo may be marked 80 and some other may give 90.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 01:56
i have "never" seen an NLUD or NUJS student fight on MPL articles or other LI articles.
You can cross check. go back to past law school articles and blogs and see how many comments come from NLUD or NUJS students.

"I CAN NOT EVEN FIND ONE COMMENT FROM NEITHER NLUD NOR NUJS STUDENTS."

What is that called maturity? NO
i think "talent + Maturity"
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 02:34
Its nothing, its just promoting shit between the law schools. Nationals Law Univs should cooperate among themselves if they want themselves to be compared to IITs and IIMs.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 08:35
Seemingly Kian is stumped by #42 and 47 comments and hence is not replying to their issues!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 08:45
heard that NLS won pre vis (vienna) moot held at peace palace. LI pls confirm.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 09:03
Petty kids
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 09:23
NALSAR has made the finals of ICC trial, a tier 2 competition. This means that NALSAR will make at least 25 points from this event and in effect become the first team to cross the 200 point mark. It also extends NALSAR's lead over that other college in Cal to more than 35 points.
TAKE THAT
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 11:03
Nalsar in finals.
SAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIII.!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 11:06
Update 29/3/2011 There has been a change in the Rules. The Rule on which teams will proceed to the finals is changed in:"The three teams with the highest overall score (which includes the scores from the memorials and oral rounds minus penalty points), will proceed to the finals".

www.icc-trialcompetition.org/cms/
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 11:07
Also please let us know how many India Teams participated in this ''Tier 2'' moot!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 11:42
@ 79

Oh god. Just let it go, child.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 15 Apr 11, 12:21
Badhiya Bandhiya SAAAAhiiiii...Chimi chimi
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Like +0 Object -0 Jindal Parent 16 Apr 11, 09:20
I am a little saddened at the poor spirit being demonstrated by those who presumably are students at the what are (for now at least) the country's premier law schools. Instead of taking the defeat by a new kid on the block in your stride you are accusing the Jindal students of cheating, which is what the statement that the memos were prepared by faculty amounts to.

Has it ever occurred to you that if the faculty at Jindal were writing memos they should be winning the prize for best memo at every moot in which they enter. It is extremely presumptious to assume that law students are more learned than the faculty at Jindal - which most independent observers believe to be among the best (if not the best) in the country.

A little grace would be in order.
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 18 Apr 11, 16:28
@ Jindal Parent --- What do you have to say about the faculty who accompanied the Jindal Team in NLS arb...the craziest thing ...is JGLS is sending faculty coach for moots....hahahaha....it only shows that....we at national law schools....have carved a niche for ourselves...with our hardwork and devotion....in moots ...we hardly receive any faculty support...because its a simulation meant for us....not for qualified lawyers... and [...]...let me enlighten you a bit about the mooting process in National law Schools...our teams participate in more than 50 odd moots every year....after many rigorous intra-rounds.... i accept the fact that Jindal is a young law school ...but only a year younger than NLU -Delhi....and you can very well see where NLU-D is...despite having faculty which is nothing before Jindal... its proves that the students at the national law schools stand out...they have earned a name for themselves...by their hardwork...and intellect...n not money...
I have many school friends at JGLS..and i really wish them goodluck.... but as of now...i'v sent them many projects...and research papers ....because they seek my help...all the time...writing research papers and making projects mean hardwork....which is something that money cant buy...anywaz...[...] ... even my father could afford Jindal but he preferred to send me to a place where knowledge can't be bought and hard work and passion for law is given the utmost importance...
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 19 Apr 11, 01:38
Looks like your father should have spent some of his money on giving you punctuation, writing and maturity classes before sending you to any college.

And you really think that NLU Delhi was successful at mooting because of the students? The college is 100% behind them, they fund all moots, give them time to prepare and reduce academic burden, and also offer plenty of faculty help.

People like you make it obvious that the national law schools are full of mediocrity too. God save the legal profession!
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Like +0 Object -0 Anonymous guest 21 Apr 11, 14:44
Obviously you guys don't know about the coaches hired by NLUD. These are practitioners in the real world. Every college requires help. We have faculty from the Nationals. They themselves tell us about the coaching processes at their alma maters. So, all this is tall talk and nothing else.
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