As far as I know, they are moderated twice now. First by the newly appointed mods and then again by the legally India mod to filter out our mistakes (if any).
And yeah I can assure you that we moderate, there are surprisingly high frequency of comments that are not suitable for publishing. Hope it helps :)
I'm definitely interested. Having been an active member of the Legally India community for the past two years, I believe I can effectively contribute to moderating the threads in line with their intended purpose. Browsing through Legally India has become a daily ritual for me, and as a result, I've perused threads of various kinds, ranging from discussions about salaries, work-life balance, exam preparations, college grievances, career growth hurdles, to even unconventional topics like the armpit fetish threads (yes, I've seen it all XD).
Given that I've previously highlighted instances of moderator bias towards specific viewpoints, I am committed to maintaining objectivity and quelling any personal biases when carrying out my moderating responsibilities. My engagement with every thread remains consistent, whether in the role of a moderator or a member of the audience :)
This individual sounds like a serial molester. If this is actually true, I'm pretty sure there will be others out there who have faced something similar or even worse.
The OP can atleast make an anonymous Twitter ID and post the sensitive information under #MeToo, and then the link can be shared to this thread too. I don't think it'll really affect LI's policy adversely. Is that doable @LegallyIndia_Mod?
I mean, there has to be further inspection on this, right?
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I mean, yeah. It's 'cringy' to have these kinds of intros, but your tone is more baffling to me.
What do you think you're dude? Get off the high horse and try socialising with your batchmates ffs.
"Why did you tell us law school will (would) be intellectually stimulating and interesting when these intros are totally radiating a different vibe.(?) That other day(,) while watching an interview(,) I found this person from NLS stating that she doesn’t even read books(,) and apparently TV shows are more ‘helpful’(.)" (I guess your book doesn't teach how to apply punctuation marks)
What is wrong with that? You retain wayyy more from visuals than you ever will by reading something, and that's the case for most people. No offence but you seem boring af, I can feel the negative energy 'radiating' through your comment.
This '28 batch is a bit much, yes! But it's always better to be cringy than toxic :)
Hightime We Disregard NIRF Rankings? (IT IS USELESS)
The 2023 rankings are as follows:
1. National Law School of India University - Bengaluru, Karnataka
2. National Law University - New Delhi, Delhi
3. Nalsar University of Law - Hyderabad, Telangana
4. The West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences - Kolkata, West Bengal
5. Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi - New Delhi, Delhi
6. Symbiosis Law School - Pune, Maharashtra
7. Gujarat National Law University - Gandhinagar, Gujarat
8. Siksha O Anusandhan - Bhubaneswar, Odisha
9. Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur - Kharagpur, West Bengal
10. Babasheb Bhimrao Ambedkar University - Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh
11. Saveetha Institute of Medical and Technical Sciences - Chennai, Tamil Nadu
12. Kalinga Institute of Industrial Technology - Bhubaneswar, Odisha
13. Christ University - Bengaluru, Karnataka
14. Aligarh Muslim University - Aligarh, Uttar Pradesh
15. Shanmugha Arts Science Technology & Research Academy - Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu
16. Lovely Professional University - Phagwara, Punjab
17. Indian Law Institute - New Delhi, Delhi
18. National Law Institute University - Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh
19. Guru Gobind Singh Indraprastha University - New Delhi, Delhi
20. The Rajiv Gandhi National University of Law - Patiala, Punjab
21. Dr. Ram Manohar Lohiya National Law University - Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh
22. Banaras Hindu University - Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh
23. Amity University Haryana - Gurugram, Haryana
24. National University of Study & Research in Law - Ranchi, Jharkhand
25. Alliance University - Bengaluru, Karnataka
26. Army Institute of Law, Sector-68 - Mohali, Punjab
27. Nirma University - Ahmedabad, Gujarat
28. National Law University and Judicial Academy - Kamrup, Assam
29. Manipal University Jaipur - Jaipur, Rajasthan
30. National Law University - Cuttack, Odisha
I can wrap my head around the frivolous contentions one might have with the ranking like NLUD>NALSAR/ Symbiosis>GNLU/ RGNUL>RMLNLU but this is RIDICULOUS. On further inspection, I came to realise that it's not as rigged as one might think.
The parameters:
1. Teaching, Learning & Resources (TLR):
- Student Strength including Doctoral Students (SS): Represents the total number of students enrolled in the institution, including doctoral students. It is calculated based on factors such as undergraduate (UG) and postgraduate (PG) student numbers.
- Faculty-student ratio with emphasis on permanent faculty (FSR): This ratio indicates the number of students per faculty member in the institution, with a focus on permanent faculty members.
- Combined metric for Faculty with Ph.D. (or equivalent) and Experience (FQE): This represents the combined score for faculty members who possess a Ph.D. degree or its equivalent and have relevant experience.
- Financial Resources and their Utilisation (FRU): Reflects the financial resources available to the institution and how effectively they are utilized.
2. Research and Professional Practice (RP):
- Combined metric for Publications (PU): Measures the number of research publications from the institution.
- Combined metric for Quality of Publications (QP): Evaluates the quality of the research publications, considering factors such as citations and impact.
- Footprint of Projects and Professional Practice (FPPP): Indicates the involvement of the institution in projects and professional practice.
3. Graduation Outcomes (GO):
- Combined metric for Placement and Higher Studies (GPH): Reflects the percentage of students placed in jobs or pursuing higher studies after graduation.
- Metric for University Examinations (GUE): Evaluates the performance of students in university examinations.
- Median Salary (GMS): Represents the median salary earned by graduates from the institution.
- Metric for Number of Ph.D. Students Graduated (GPHD): Measures the number of Ph.D. students successfully completing their degrees.
4. Outreach and Inclusivity (OI):
- Percentage of Students from Other States/Countries (Region Diversity RD): Represents the percentage of students enrolled from other states within the country or other countries.
- Percentage of Women (Women Diversity WD): Indicates the percentage of female students enrolled in the institution.
- Economically and Socially Challenged Students (ESCS): Evaluates the representation and support provided to economically and socially challenged students.
- Facilities for Physically Challenged Students (PCS): Reflects the availability of facilities and support for students with physical disabilities.
5. Perception (PR):
- Peer Perception: Employers & Academic Peers (PR): Represents the perception of the institution among employers and academic peers.
At first glance, you might not be able to discern the premeditated fallacies behind these rankings.
The truth lies in the calculations of these parameters, for example, SS would take into account the number of students enrolled under the Ph.D. course which would inherently put institutes that don't enroll higher Ph.D. candidates at a disadvantage as per the devised formula.
If we take a look at the weightage of FSR & FQE, we would find that it rewards more for the quantity of the faculty members rather than the quality of them. You can take FSR (30 marks) simply as a student-faculty ratio, while the FQE only takes into account those faculties that are Ph.D. + accounts for the experience they have. Some universities scored full on FSR but struggled to fetch even 10 marks in FQE.
ESCS which evaluates the representation and support provided to economically and socially challenged students is calculated on the basis of the percentage of UG students being provided FULL tuition fee reimbursement by the institution to pursue their degree programs. I mean- there are programmes in many NLUs/private unis where they award percentage scholarships for meritorious students coming from SC/ST category but this doesn't take it into account until and unless it is fully covered, I don't get why.
Coming to the PR (Peer Perception) scores, they are by far the most rigged aspect of the ranking. NUJS scored a humble 50.8, while Christ University and Indian law institute astonishingly scored 61.15 and 74.17 respectively. Apart from the Top 3, none of the universities managed to get close to Rizzed perception of these two institutes.
To sum it up, this is a pretty useless ranking with no real-world application, going by the metrics alone I wouldn't be surprised if an unknown university manages to beat NLS if it really wants to. And the most significant things that a student realistically looks upon are placements and scope for higher education which doesn't seem to be a priority here since it constitutes just 16.25% of all the parameters.
The idea posed by the OP was that MNLU-N is on a downward trajectory and he/she also reasoned his/her assertions. I think everyone got what he/she meant and it wasn't necessarily untrue.
There have been many administrative issues resulting in a situation where an NLU sank. Take NLIU for instance which is the 2nd NLU to be established after NLS, when the director resigned after a week of student protests, and the registrar was suspended for selling fake degrees in the same term. If that episode did not happen, one could argue that it would've not been where it is currently placed.
You may also take the example of HNLU, whose perception sank after the perennial hard-handedness of the administration came to light in 2018.
So, an NLU isn't as sink-proof as his highness might think.
For starters, just aim for the undisputed top 6/Tier 1 NLUs i.e. NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUJ, GNLU and NLIU. After that it's quite messed up, but to say the least, HNLU, NLUO, RMLNLU, RGNUL and NUALS are some great institutes. A tier above the likes of DSNLU, TNNLU and CNLU for sure.
Mind that not ALL NLUs are worth spending money on; you would fare better if you do engineering at your local university rather than going for something like MNLU-A or NLU, Meghalaya, in terms of employability. I hope I gave you an outline to work with as an aspirant. Best of luck! :)
Glad to finally hear from your side. Don't worry, you'll be graduating from one of the top law schools that our country can offer. Banger of a choice indeed! :)
First of all, congratulations on securing a good rank. It really pains me to witness the difference in quality of legal education for someone who has secured an AIR under 400 in comparison with someone who has secured an AIR in the range of 400–700. And mind the fact that the difference in the marks is like 4-5 at most, and in some cases even less.
1. Yup, MNLU has had a really disappointing track record of placements up until now. But even so, it's really improving as far as the students suggest, and a lot of things change in 5 years.
2. Don't forget that someone from MNLUM can always join SLS or JGLS, but you can't say the opposite.
3. I might be a bit biased in this one, but I personally feel that if placements are your top priority, then HNLU/NLUO perform wayyy better than MNLU. If location is not much of a concern, then I really don't understand why someone would go for MNLUM over institutes that have historically had a better record at placing their students.
2. Let it sink in that you've not been able to get a top rank, which is totally fine.
3. Socialise with your batchmates, enjoy your life, and give yourself a sweet pie after putting in so much effort.
4. Ask yourself, "What are you studying for?" To get a nice job? For earning big and marrying pretty? Securing your future?
Or to show off in front of society that you studied at NLS? (Many of whom don't even know anything beyond IIT and AIMS). I've seen people skip NLS just because the trimester system seems excessively life-sucking. Enjoy your life dude. Ek saal barbaad karke kya milega? (Even mathematically, you would have to do one more year of corp to earn the same amount) Just doesn't make sense. Peace✌️
I don't really think that this is really what LI is trying to achieve.
At this point, it is just trying to serve as an archive of its golden days and answer as many queries as possible. They're complacent with what they've got on their plate, and I think that's fair because they're atleast retaining their audience and the site is not dead yet.
Bringing in reforms would have a probability of a drastic dip in the consumer base due to the audience already being comfortable with the current version of it. I mean, who really wants to subscribe to it if the owner is chill with the status quo? Untapped potential? Massive Yes. Does it need reform at this point? Maybe Not.
"Further we can organise private discussion groups, zoom meets where students can speak to seniors in the profession and get guidance on lot of stuff, as thats better than bumping up threads and waiting for important answers."
This seems easy to write, but I can assure you that this isn't realistically possible to achieve. And even if it is, then the platform has to be heavily monetized to conduct those 'guiding sessions' which would require good lawyers on the panel. Having private discussion rooms is still an option if you can find people willing to do that (which isn't so common). You can ask them for their telegram and chat.
PS: A private telegram was created by Ashleha for Delhi litigators in October '22.
@Legally_India There was a really good thread on this, I can't seem to find it but someone suggested of assessing NLUs and gave some metrics that could be judged upon to decide the rankings.
For instance, this year's math and GK sections were relatively difficult as compared to other sections of the exam. Quants had two questions that were quite unsolvable, even for CAT mentors. For someone who did rigorous GK and Quant practise, it served as a major disadvantage despite the fact that they were just as good as them or even better than others who scored better.
My friend left his whole logical reasoning section, which was a piece of cake for quants which was unnecessarily difficult; he did not make it despite being an absolute genius and having scores exceeding 100 multiple times in sample papers and mocks.
And if you feel that we might have been unprepared, unlike other top scorers, then I'll let you know that I've scored near perfects in the CLAT 2021 and CLAT 2022 Quant sections and still struggled to solve them.
So yeah, the bottom line is that CLAT can f*** you in 100 different ways since the difficulty of getting a single mark would drastically vary in contrast with its weightage.
So that's how a guy who might deserve NLS ends up getting RML or HNLU due to bad luck.
I guess you have not seen some of the lazy blogs that 2nd/3rd years publish just for the sake of it, one can easily top that.
Why are you offended? I didn't mean to do that, it was just a genuine query. The OP shares the same opinion, I guess he too might be hanging around on LI?
Have you ever tried learning FIJ? Try revising it and come back to me when you know the difference between a fact, an inference, and a judgement.
I apologise for the confusion my tone might've caused. I genuinely meant to say that, I'm concerned that EVEN IF I could write better, I might not be considered, which is quite sad.
Why are you so freaking hostile to the individual? I don't get it. He is just listing his queries, and that is also in an euphemistic manner. If you had so much of a problem with the alleged 'bad faith', then why did you say:
1. I don’t get offended
2. No question is too stupid, and no question is too dumb.
Own up to your own sh*t before asking others to have honest questions.
▮▮▮ then I'll state them to you in a 'more' simplified manner:
a) Sometimes I feel that the gender fluidity discussion has been taken too far. E.g. i identify as abc. What do you think about it? Is it fine to identify as a black women if you feel like it?
b) How much of being queer is nature? Is there no element of nurture?
c) A fairly high percentage of my gay friends were sexually abused as children— a percentage high enough to not make it seem like a coincidence. Unless this was a very skewed sample, is there any correlation?
d) Is it that they are just more expressive, or is it just the fact that any kind of minority holds their identity very tightly?
How are they not honest or comprehensible to you?
PS: I don't correlate to these doubts, I just wanted to acknowledge the duality of this individual because I was also feeling 'thoda nice' today.
Mod, please let this pass through with necessary censorship because I'm aware of it's borderline trolling potential but this is not fair.
Considering you were eligible for BSc. LL.B. at NLIU, you might've gotten a rank between AIR 500- 750. If that's the case, then you can obviously switch to other NLUs for their standard courses if you feel like BSc is not something that you want to do.
If you ask me, you shouldn't leave. Apart from it's messed up batch quality, it's really good.
My theory has always been that CLAT is an aptitude based exam and aptitude comes naturally. It's not something that you can garner in an year or two, although I feel that it's not impossible, you might see some AIR 1s in the future.
Statement 1: I've had more hook-ups in one semester at JGLS.
Statement 2: girls here aren't simply nerds looking for cheap internships and are actually willing to invest time and passion into relationships.
Nature: Contradicting
I don't understand why having a greater body count is such a flex among you guys, isn't it just meaningless exercise for like a minute's pleasure? Sad.
When did I say that it's acceptable? Definitely not.
"Not to discredit the thought of having more transparency and freedom to voice opinions against admin, but the conclusion seemed a bit too extreme" Not necessarily, the private universities that I mentioned are one of the top choices for candidates that are not able to clear CLAT and they are definitely better than the likes HPNLU or DNLU. I don't think there is a distinctive gap between NLUs and private unis to the extent that they're incomparable.
And please try to understand the context of the content published, I compared them to highlight that it's not a joke which was absurd of the OP to say.
Please refrain from publishing comments that are drawn from false interpretations.
1. I've been an active member of the platform since 2021 and the general consensus has always been that NLUD has an upward trajectory while NUJS is on the verge of it's downfall.
2. As an aspirant I knew what is the general perception of the candidates who applied for CLAT and AILET.
I haven't found no candidate that preferred NUJS above NLUD apart from the residents of WB itself.
PS: If you confirm that you're not someone from NUJS and belong to ANY other institute then it'll discredit my initial argument that it's a common perception among law schools and I'll duly take that back. But who are we kidding? You're a Noojie :)
There is a lack of transparency and restrictions on dissent, I get it.
But that's like NLU 101 these days, be it WBNUJS or NUJS, this has been a recurring issue. Not to discredit the thought of having more transparency and freedom to voice opinions against admin, but the conclusion seemed a bit too extreme: "It's a joke for a university."
It's not a joke. Maybe you've got too big of a campus, too good of a placement, or too much of a state funding to see that there are likes of Christ and NMIMS that don't even compare, even after charging more than double the fee charged by HNLU.
I'd advise you to keep your rhetoric (read rant) issue-specific rather than targeting an institution as a whole.
And yeah I can assure you that we moderate, there are surprisingly high frequency of comments that are not suitable for publishing. Hope it helps :)
Dalal Street Rocksss :)
Given that I've previously highlighted instances of moderator bias towards specific viewpoints, I am committed to maintaining objectivity and quelling any personal biases when carrying out my moderating responsibilities. My engagement with every thread remains consistent, whether in the role of a moderator or a member of the audience :)
The OP can atleast make an anonymous Twitter ID and post the sensitive information under #MeToo, and then the link can be shared to this thread too. I don't think it'll really affect LI's policy adversely. Is that doable @LegallyIndia_Mod?
I mean, there has to be further inspection on this, right?
PS: Some hints would be appreciated mod
What happened to the proposed idea that was envisaged when rolling out the 3.0 beta version?
That seemed like a fairly decent idea to make moderation easier and faster for you guys.
Context: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/244312-the-legally-convos-30-beta-version-is-here#comment-244312
"👑 The most active and helpful members of the community will get their standard accounts upgraded, first to where their comments can bypass future moderation and go live immediately, and then to where they can feature comments (or declare comments as trollish or contested), and eventually to where they can also moderate comments directly if they feel like it. We are open to ideas for how this can work to make LI a pleasant and helpful space for all."
What do you think you're dude? Get off the high horse and try socialising with your batchmates ffs.
"Why did you tell us law school will (would) be intellectually stimulating and interesting when these intros are totally radiating a different vibe.(?) That other day(,) while watching an interview(,) I found this person from NLS stating that she doesn’t even read books(,) and apparently TV shows are more ‘helpful’(.)" (I guess your book doesn't teach how to apply punctuation marks)
What is wrong with that? You retain wayyy more from visuals than you ever will by reading something, and that's the case for most people. No offence but you seem boring af, I can feel the negative energy 'radiating' through your comment.
This '28 batch is a bit much, yes! But it's always better to be cringy than toxic :)
After qualifying for the entry, everyone should ideally be given the same amount of respect, regardless of their petty CLAT ranks.
The 2023 rankings are as follows:
1. National Law School of India University - Bengaluru, Karnataka
2. National Law University - New Delhi, Delhi
3. Nalsar University of Law - Hyderabad, Telangana
4. The West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences - Kolkata, West Bengal
5. Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi - New Delhi, Delhi
6. Symbiosis Law School - Pune, Maharashtra
7. Gujarat National Law University - Gandhinagar, Gujarat
8. Siksha O Anusandhan - Bhubaneswar, Odisha
9. Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur - Kharagpur, West Bengal
10. Babasheb Bhimrao Ambedkar University - Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh
11. Saveetha Institute of Medical and Technical Sciences - Chennai, Tamil Nadu
12. Kalinga Institute of Industrial Technology - Bhubaneswar, Odisha
13. Christ University - Bengaluru, Karnataka
14. Aligarh Muslim University - Aligarh, Uttar Pradesh
15. Shanmugha Arts Science Technology & Research Academy - Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu
16. Lovely Professional University - Phagwara, Punjab
17. Indian Law Institute - New Delhi, Delhi
18. National Law Institute University - Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh
19. Guru Gobind Singh Indraprastha University - New Delhi, Delhi
20. The Rajiv Gandhi National University of Law - Patiala, Punjab
21. Dr. Ram Manohar Lohiya National Law University - Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh
22. Banaras Hindu University - Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh
23. Amity University Haryana - Gurugram, Haryana
24. National University of Study & Research in Law - Ranchi, Jharkhand
25. Alliance University - Bengaluru, Karnataka
26. Army Institute of Law, Sector-68 - Mohali, Punjab
27. Nirma University - Ahmedabad, Gujarat
28. National Law University and Judicial Academy - Kamrup, Assam
29. Manipal University Jaipur - Jaipur, Rajasthan
30. National Law University - Cuttack, Odisha
I can wrap my head around the frivolous contentions one might have with the ranking like NLUD>NALSAR/ Symbiosis>GNLU/ RGNUL>RMLNLU but this is RIDICULOUS. On further inspection, I came to realise that it's not as rigged as one might think.
The parameters:
1. Teaching, Learning & Resources (TLR):
- Student Strength including Doctoral Students (SS): Represents the total number of students enrolled in the institution, including doctoral students. It is calculated based on factors such as undergraduate (UG) and postgraduate (PG) student numbers.
- Faculty-student ratio with emphasis on permanent faculty (FSR): This ratio indicates the number of students per faculty member in the institution, with a focus on permanent faculty members.
- Combined metric for Faculty with Ph.D. (or equivalent) and Experience (FQE): This represents the combined score for faculty members who possess a Ph.D. degree or its equivalent and have relevant experience.
- Financial Resources and their Utilisation (FRU): Reflects the financial resources available to the institution and how effectively they are utilized.
2. Research and Professional Practice (RP):
- Combined metric for Publications (PU): Measures the number of research publications from the institution.
- Combined metric for Quality of Publications (QP): Evaluates the quality of the research publications, considering factors such as citations and impact.
- Footprint of Projects and Professional Practice (FPPP): Indicates the involvement of the institution in projects and professional practice.
3. Graduation Outcomes (GO):
- Combined metric for Placement and Higher Studies (GPH): Reflects the percentage of students placed in jobs or pursuing higher studies after graduation.
- Metric for University Examinations (GUE): Evaluates the performance of students in university examinations.
- Median Salary (GMS): Represents the median salary earned by graduates from the institution.
- Metric for Number of Ph.D. Students Graduated (GPHD): Measures the number of Ph.D. students successfully completing their degrees.
4. Outreach and Inclusivity (OI):
- Percentage of Students from Other States/Countries (Region Diversity RD): Represents the percentage of students enrolled from other states within the country or other countries.
- Percentage of Women (Women Diversity WD): Indicates the percentage of female students enrolled in the institution.
- Economically and Socially Challenged Students (ESCS): Evaluates the representation and support provided to economically and socially challenged students.
- Facilities for Physically Challenged Students (PCS): Reflects the availability of facilities and support for students with physical disabilities.
5. Perception (PR):
- Peer Perception: Employers & Academic Peers (PR): Represents the perception of the institution among employers and academic peers.
At first glance, you might not be able to discern the premeditated fallacies behind these rankings.
The truth lies in the calculations of these parameters, for example, SS would take into account the number of students enrolled under the Ph.D. course which would inherently put institutes that don't enroll higher Ph.D. candidates at a disadvantage as per the devised formula.
If we take a look at the weightage of FSR & FQE, we would find that it rewards more for the quantity of the faculty members rather than the quality of them. You can take FSR (30 marks) simply as a student-faculty ratio, while the FQE only takes into account those faculties that are Ph.D. + accounts for the experience they have. Some universities scored full on FSR but struggled to fetch even 10 marks in FQE.
ESCS which evaluates the representation and support provided to economically and socially challenged students is calculated on the basis of the percentage of UG students being provided FULL tuition fee reimbursement by the institution to pursue their degree programs. I mean- there are programmes in many NLUs/private unis where they award percentage scholarships for meritorious students coming from SC/ST category but this doesn't take it into account until and unless it is fully covered, I don't get why.
Coming to the PR (Peer Perception) scores, they are by far the most rigged aspect of the ranking. NUJS scored a humble 50.8, while Christ University and Indian law institute astonishingly scored 61.15 and 74.17 respectively. Apart from the Top 3, none of the universities managed to get close to Rizzed perception of these two institutes.
To sum it up, this is a pretty useless ranking with no real-world application, going by the metrics alone I wouldn't be surprised if an unknown university manages to beat NLS if it really wants to. And the most significant things that a student realistically looks upon are placements and scope for higher education which doesn't seem to be a priority here since it constitutes just 16.25% of all the parameters.
Note: All the statistics are verified from the official website itself and if someone wants to look into the formulas then he/she shall go to: https://www.nirfindia.org/nirfpdfcdn/2022/framework/Law.pdf
A good article I read on this issue last year by GS Bajpai: Rankings that make no sense - The Hindu
The idea posed by the OP was that MNLU-N is on a downward trajectory and he/she also reasoned his/her assertions. I think everyone got what he/she meant and it wasn't necessarily untrue.
There have been many administrative issues resulting in a situation where an NLU sank. Take NLIU for instance which is the 2nd NLU to be established after NLS, when the director resigned after a week of student protests, and the registrar was suspended for selling fake degrees in the same term. If that episode did not happen, one could argue that it would've not been where it is currently placed.
You may also take the example of HNLU, whose perception sank after the perennial hard-handedness of the administration came to light in 2018.
So, an NLU isn't as sink-proof as his highness might think.
PS: use the tags judiciously.
For starters, just aim for the undisputed top 6/Tier 1 NLUs i.e. NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUJ, GNLU and NLIU. After that it's quite messed up, but to say the least, HNLU, NLUO, RMLNLU, RGNUL and NUALS are some great institutes. A tier above the likes of DSNLU, TNNLU and CNLU for sure.
Mind that not ALL NLUs are worth spending money on; you would fare better if you do engineering at your local university rather than going for something like MNLU-A or NLU, Meghalaya, in terms of employability. I hope I gave you an outline to work with as an aspirant. Best of luck! :)
Glad to finally hear from your side. Don't worry, you'll be graduating from one of the top law schools that our country can offer. Banger of a choice indeed! :)
Bhai bolte hain compare nahi karo, aur phir baatein dekhlo inki...
1. Yup, MNLU has had a really disappointing track record of placements up until now. But even so, it's really improving as far as the students suggest, and a lot of things change in 5 years.
2. Don't forget that someone from MNLUM can always join SLS or JGLS, but you can't say the opposite.
I recently came across this testimony from someone who had a really tough time at JGLS. You may take note: https://www.instagram.com/p/CsvIYsPsULU/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
3. I might be a bit biased in this one, but I personally feel that if placements are your top priority, then HNLU/NLUO perform wayyy better than MNLU. If location is not much of a concern, then I really don't understand why someone would go for MNLUM over institutes that have historically had a better record at placing their students.
Best of luck pal!
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2. Let it sink in that you've not been able to get a top rank, which is totally fine.
3. Socialise with your batchmates, enjoy your life, and give yourself a sweet pie after putting in so much effort.
4. Ask yourself, "What are you studying for?" To get a nice job? For earning big and marrying pretty? Securing your future?
Or to show off in front of society that you studied at NLS? (Many of whom don't even know anything beyond IIT and AIMS). I've seen people skip NLS just because the trimester system seems excessively life-sucking. Enjoy your life dude. Ek saal barbaad karke kya milega? (Even mathematically, you would have to do one more year of corp to earn the same amount) Just doesn't make sense. Peace✌️
At this point, it is just trying to serve as an archive of its golden days and answer as many queries as possible. They're complacent with what they've got on their plate, and I think that's fair because they're atleast retaining their audience and the site is not dead yet.
Bringing in reforms would have a probability of a drastic dip in the consumer base due to the audience already being comfortable with the current version of it. I mean, who really wants to subscribe to it if the owner is chill with the status quo? Untapped potential? Massive Yes. Does it need reform at this point? Maybe Not.
"Further we can organise private discussion groups, zoom meets where students can speak to seniors in the profession and get guidance on lot of stuff, as thats better than bumping up threads and waiting for important answers."
This seems easy to write, but I can assure you that this isn't realistically possible to achieve. And even if it is, then the platform has to be heavily monetized to conduct those 'guiding sessions' which would require good lawyers on the panel. Having private discussion rooms is still an option if you can find people willing to do that (which isn't so common). You can ask them for their telegram and chat.
PS: A private telegram was created by Ashleha for Delhi litigators in October '22.
If you try doing it on the older interface, it'll show 'not found'. I hope it help :)
Had a similar thought ages ago. I genuinely don't think that it'll get any better with the current mod :(
There is so much untapped potential in LI!!!
Really excited for the classification of threads update (if it ever comes out) :D
@Legally_India There was a really good thread on this, I can't seem to find it but someone suggested of assessing NLUs and gave some metrics that could be judged upon to decide the rankings.
For instance, this year's math and GK sections were relatively difficult as compared to other sections of the exam. Quants had two questions that were quite unsolvable, even for CAT mentors. For someone who did rigorous GK and Quant practise, it served as a major disadvantage despite the fact that they were just as good as them or even better than others who scored better.
My friend left his whole logical reasoning section, which was a piece of cake for quants which was unnecessarily difficult; he did not make it despite being an absolute genius and having scores exceeding 100 multiple times in sample papers and mocks.
And if you feel that we might have been unprepared, unlike other top scorers, then I'll let you know that I've scored near perfects in the CLAT 2021 and CLAT 2022 Quant sections and still struggled to solve them.
So yeah, the bottom line is that CLAT can f*** you in 100 different ways since the difficulty of getting a single mark would drastically vary in contrast with its weightage.
So that's how a guy who might deserve NLS ends up getting RML or HNLU due to bad luck.
1. GNLU, Gandhinagar
2. HPNLU, Shimla
3. RGNUL, Patila
4. NUALS, Kochi
5. NLUJAA, Guwahati
6. MNLU, Nagpur
7. NLS, Bangalore
8. HNLU, Raipur
9. RMLNLU, Lucknow
10. NLU, Delhi
This list is formed on the basis of staring at campus pics of all NLUs for several minutes :)
No point mentioning the ugliest since some of them doesn't even have a campus to begin with.
Why are you offended? I didn't mean to do that, it was just a genuine query. The OP shares the same opinion, I guess he too might be hanging around on LI?
Have you ever tried learning FIJ? Try revising it and come back to me when you know the difference between a fact, an inference, and a judgement.
I apologise for the confusion my tone might've caused. I genuinely meant to say that, I'm concerned that EVEN IF I could write better, I might not be considered, which is quite sad.
Have a nice day bro/sis :)
Guy is in need
1. I don’t get offended
2. No question is too stupid, and no question is too dumb.
Own up to your own sh*t before asking others to have honest questions.
▮▮▮ then I'll state them to you in a 'more' simplified manner:
a) Sometimes I feel that the gender fluidity discussion has been taken too far. E.g. i identify as abc. What do you think about it? Is it fine to identify as a black women if you feel like it?
b) How much of being queer is nature? Is there no element of nurture?
c) A fairly high percentage of my gay friends were sexually abused as children— a percentage high enough to not make it seem like a coincidence. Unless this was a very skewed sample, is there any correlation?
d) Is it that they are just more expressive, or is it just the fact that any kind of minority holds their identity very tightly?
How are they not honest or comprehensible to you?
PS: I don't correlate to these doubts, I just wanted to acknowledge the duality of this individual because I was also feeling 'thoda nice' today.
Mod, please let this pass through with necessary censorship because I'm aware of it's borderline trolling potential but this is not fair.
Cheers! ✨
Even I'm concerned that, despite my writing being just as good as any senior, I would not be considered as a serious candidate.
At the end of the day, isn't it just about 'contributing'? Why should it matter which year I'm studying in :/
Considering you were eligible for BSc. LL.B. at NLIU, you might've gotten a rank between AIR 500- 750. If that's the case, then you can obviously switch to other NLUs for their standard courses if you feel like BSc is not something that you want to do.
If you ask me, you shouldn't leave. Apart from it's messed up batch quality, it's really good.
I've previously answered a query on this course itself, link: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/248128-bsc-llb-cybersecurity-at-nliu-bhopal-better-than-ba-llb#comment-248198
My theory has always been that CLAT is an aptitude based exam and aptitude comes naturally. It's not something that you can garner in an year or two, although I feel that it's not impossible, you might see some AIR 1s in the future.
HNLU has 30% of its seats horizontally reserved for women, and this year alone, the strength is close to 60% of the batch strength.
Even NLIU and NLUJAA have a strong history of good gender ratios.
Statement 2: girls here aren't simply nerds looking for cheap internships and are actually willing to invest time and passion into relationships.
Nature: Contradicting
I don't understand why having a greater body count is such a flex among you guys, isn't it just meaningless exercise for like a minute's pleasure? Sad.
"Not to discredit the thought of having more transparency and freedom to voice opinions against admin, but the conclusion seemed a bit too extreme"
Not necessarily, the private universities that I mentioned are one of the top choices for candidates that are not able to clear CLAT and they are definitely better than the likes HPNLU or DNLU. I don't think there is a distinctive gap between NLUs and private unis to the extent that they're incomparable.
And please try to understand the context of the content published, I compared them to highlight that it's not a joke which was absurd of the OP to say.
Please refrain from publishing comments that are drawn from false interpretations.
**Correction comment 7 para 2: WBNUJS or NLUJ
As far as the placements are concerned, I would be lying if I tell you that anyone is half decent.
What you can do is: Take MNLUN-->Give CLAT again-->Get HNLU or above (if you want to do corporate)-->Switch!
2. As an aspirant I knew what is the general perception of the candidates who applied for CLAT and AILET.
I haven't found no candidate that preferred NUJS above NLUD apart from the residents of WB itself.
PS: If you confirm that you're not someone from NUJS and belong to ANY other institute then it'll discredit my initial argument that it's a common perception among law schools and I'll duly take that back. But who are we kidding? You're a Noojie :)
But that's like NLU 101 these days, be it WBNUJS or NUJS, this has been a recurring issue. Not to discredit the thought of having more transparency and freedom to voice opinions against admin, but the conclusion seemed a bit too extreme: "It's a joke for a university."
It's not a joke. Maybe you've got too big of a campus, too good of a placement, or too much of a state funding to see that there are likes of Christ and NMIMS that don't even compare, even after charging more than double the fee charged by HNLU.
I'd advise you to keep your rhetoric (read rant) issue-specific rather than targeting an institution as a whole.
Regards,
Batch of '28