Clearly, someone from JGLS is sabotaging the like-dislike ratio. Why do they always behave in the most self-entitled way possible? (I don't want to generalize but in most of the cases it's them.)
As someone who has thoroughly researched about the course, I think that it's a bit overrated.
There are 13 All-India unreserved seats, other 47 seats are reserved in this course. This particular batch matrix drastically decreases the quality, other than that it's a decent course since NLIU has had a background in specialised LLM in cybersecurity. If any NLU is qualified enough to start this course it is NLIU, they even have Rajiv Gandhi National Cyber Law Centre.
I placed it above B.A. LL.B. in NLIU as I had conviction in myself that I'll do good regardless of my batch and an inherent interest in the subjects concerned, if you're sceptical about the prospects then B.A. LL.B. in NLIU would be a safer bet. Goodluck!
Do you really think that it is worth sacrificing a year (making you 20) + 3 lakhs that you would've already invested for taking an exam having a passing rate of about 0.004%?
Although, I get the feeling that you might have a reservation of some kind from the tone of your query (speculative). Supposing that you're having OBC reservation, you would require a rank of under 500 which is quite doable if you ask me (increasing your passing rate by 735%~0.029). If you're from any other category then it gets even better i.e. EWS, SC, ST, PwD, etc. (yes, there are more).
All in all, you can definitely consider if you have a reservation of some sort and believe that you have got the potential of cracking a better NLU.
>Everyone has opinions, that's nothing special. But all of you are supposed to be lawyers: you're supposed to savor and relish intellectual debate about ideas and ideals. If a courtroom judge or arbitrator tells you they have a political opinion and rebuts or pokes holes in your arguments, but promises to judge your case fairly and on its own merits, you have several options:
a) try to get the judge to recuse themself (good luck), or
b) try to convince the judge of your position with the force of your argument and/or facts.
With the analogy you've presented, the following are the roles:
OP: Prosecution*
Commentator: Defendant*
Moderator: Judge
But you failed to take account of the LI audience, they're the Jury. A judge's role is to explain the principle of the matter to the Jury rather than expressing obiter dictum. If need be, the principle should always be in a neutral tone rather than taking sides, and let the Jury give verdict of what goes and what doesn't.
>b) not allowing any borderline hateful, low-effort shitposts to stand unopposed, but to do the job of, you know, an interviewer or a moderator who takes their job seriously, and provides some intellectual pushback to some of the arguments made, to encourage a debate (which is the point of LI)
A totally valid point, but what difference would it make if you rather use a side account to infiltrate all your biases and opinions like us i.e. Chichi Ban, Ashlesha, Hayabusa wala, etc.? A moderator actively being on the left side of the spectrum gives a wrong impression to the userbase, it becomes more of a 'Chichi Ban vs. Legally India' rather than 2 individuals debating about something.
I hope you get my point, regardless of which I've always been a fan of your perspectives and I profoundly enjoy reading them. Cheers!
In the past couple of weeks, I've noticed a distinct change in moderation. I don't know if it's the controversial topics popping up that made me feel this or not, but LI has definitely been more active in sharing what 'they' believe is true which was not the case earlier. For me, moderation was about censoring the derogatory, factually incorrect, and targeting nature of comments rather than censoring comments which fall on the other end of the spectrum of what mods believe to be true/un-woke. There are incidents where comments have been censored because they MIGHT offend someone, imo it's a vague reason for oppressing an opinion. Should moderation be allowed to actively participate in sharing of opinions? I personally do not think that's fair considering it is the regulating authority, it should be unbiased towards everyone despite the person's ideology not being in consonance with LI's ideology. To which LI might argue that they allow every comment which is logically sound and all, no. As long as an authority is displaying its bias, it is no longer an unbiased medium to share opinions. I'll cite the threads to support my argument. https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/240820-The-Wire-vs-Meta-Who-is-giving-fake-news-and-who-is-telling-the-truth- [All the comments by LI have been opinionated, so far as to mock everyone in the comment 5.1 for being indifferent] https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/240601-Dating-Advice-needed-Can-not-so-good-looking-girls-hope-to-date-good-looking-guys- [In comment 5.1.1 LI is being the judge of what represents the real world and what doesn't to Playboy PA] https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/240115-2-conservative-US-circuit-judges-refuse-to-take-Yale-law-clerks-after-students-disrupt-free-speech-panel-Fox-News [All the comments made by LI has been heavily opinionated and targeted the audience having contrasted beliefs] There were more of these incidents, but unfortunately, I wasn't able to keep track of them all.
I still can't understand the reason for an opinionated moderator. Ngl he/she seems like a reasonable person who always contributes to threads when he/she can, and stimulates interactions. You can still comment I mean from an alias or something like that.
1. I would appreciate it if someone could explain what an ideal CV should look like.
2. Do certificate courses make a difference considering they're in the same domain? If yes, what are some of the good ones? (I heard about a company law course for enthusiasts at 'Bettering Results', is it any good?)
3. Do blogs and articles help?
4. Is it advisable to volunteer for social causes for the sake of having it on your CV?
5. Should one expand LinkedIn connections?
6. Would you have a better or equal chance of securing an internships if you've got a good grasp and experience in the practice area rather than an all over star-studded CV.
Thank you OP for providing me a space to address them.
From what I've read, It purely depends on a firm-to-firm basis whether it wants to bill hourly or resort to alternative billings. About 60% of clients in CAM & Spice Rought Legal are billed hourly. Still, the distribution of clients could vary drastically depending on its practice area i.e. Gen Corp could be billing 95% of its clients hourly while the same firm's M&A could be using alternative payment methods entirely.
And yes, hourly billing has been a common practice for a long time. Some firms have also developed their in-house software to keep track of the hours put in and maintain transparency with their clients.
Is it even worth it? Sacrificing one of the most healthy years of your life on an exam that you barely have a shot at cracking? Kudos to you if you manage to do so, but a law firm job would be much safer and atleast it makes you settled in life.
Don't be dissuaded by these trolls lmao, even replying to them is a huge waste of time (been there, done that).
1. Things have been shaky ngl. (There have been 2 incidents of protests against admin this year itself)
2. HNLU seems a notch above in corporate placements, everything else is more or less the same.
3. The students claim that it's improving but only time will tell.
4. Yeah, placements are growing each year but you should be mindful of the batch size of 180 students while accessing the number of students placed.
5. I Can't answer this one with credible sources but I've heard that the overall crowd is mixed (most of them being diligent).
6. Yes, if you're from a metro city then obviously you would feel a bit disconnected but the university manages to provide all the essentials from a physician, stationary and mental counseling to transportation to the city.
7. I don't think so. T-1 NLU does not have a definitive meaning, but let's assume that it's an NLU that manages to place 90% of its batch comfortably. For that to happen, HNLU has to focus on: a) The student intake quality (which is in decline for the past few years due to domicile cut-off decreasing year by year.)
b) The faculty (GNLU also has a similar scenario, but despite that, it manages to place most of its students, which suggests that even with a weaker pool of students as compared to other T-1 NLUs it performs similarly or even better in some cases)
And lastly, I'll also be joining HNLU so we might as well catch up sometime!
There are candidates who crack top 3 NLUs while being in 11th and then there are candidates that manage get a T-3 NLU with a drop year.You can't say that one is better than the other with surety, but you can definitely infer that one has more aptitude to crack the exam than the other. It's not really rude if you're not correlating someone's performance in an exam to his potential in the field. Cheers! 🥂
I've let it sink in and now I'm quite optimistic about the prospects HNLU could offer if I'm serious enough. After evaluating and doing due research, I've came to the conclusion that it isn't really worth re-attempting and sacrificing an year. There is almost nothing that can be done in a T-1 NLU and cannot be done in HNLU, I've even stalked profiles of people who cracked HNLU last year and they've been doing good for themselves, can't really differentiate them from NLUJ 1st years.
The only thing is that you've to walk that extra half mile to grab opportunities, and if doing that saves me an year then so be it.
I would ultimately be loosing 16 lakhs or more if I switch to another T-1 college while having the potential to crack the same job at HNLU. So yeah, initially it is not the best feeling to be in HNLU but I think it will surely get the job done ;)
That's quite commendable, but tbh I feel things were in favour of the already admitted NLU students this time since the GK was not 'ratta marne wala GK' at all, majorly it was about the awareness of the surroundings GK + You guys barely had a 6 months session as opposed to an year long gap that makes it far less compelling to work for + 2 DIs of quants were nearly undoable due to fallacies in question formatting (negating the efforts of those who practiced quants daily for speedy calculations). So yeah, for someone who has a strong grasp of legal knowledge and has a decently good speed, it is a golden paper.
Nevertheless, congratulations to such a wonderful feat! 🌟
Similar question with a few modulations, I'm getting HNLU this year.
Given CLAT in 11th, got a rank good enough for ILNU, Jindal and all the respective private institutes.
Gave CLAT in 12th with much more pressure and preparation, got a better rank but still not good enough for a T-3 NLU (succumbed to the pressure indeed).
Gave CLAT after rigorously grinding for 6 months, getting in but not really satisfied internally. Currently, CLAT is a skill based examination rather than being a knowledge based one like NEET or JEE, your hardwork won't necessarily translate into a better result that's for sure.
I genuinely think that I am just as good as any of the candidates getting in T-1 NLUs, it's just that it wasn't my day. Maybe with a decent NLU in pocket and no pressure, I could crack one of the T-1 NLUs.
Would you recommend doing that or should I just go all in with my current academic curriculum? Because at the end of the day if I'm getting placed in a T-1 firm with my current NLU it's the same, isn't it? Would love to hear what you guys think! 💫
I mean there is always an inert evil in them (as far as the movies are concerned). Even Slughorn wasn't the best of personalities in the series considering he was the tipping point of Tom Riddle becoming Voldemort.
I definitely dig the Slug Club idea though, would be really fun. 🧙🏻♂️
You've a more than decent chance of top 3 according to CL Predictions. On a bad day it's top 5, so either ways it's a T1.
Unfortunately I managed to get about 75 marks hehe, HNLU it is, so I would say you've performed way better than the other 99% of candidates who appeared for it. Pack your bags!
After reading the title I was ready for being infuriated but you've put up a decent argument.
What I feel is that it's a myopic way to look at it. The legal industry has been on this spree for quite some time now, especially after the creation of IBBI in 2016. What we generally see in hirings are just T1 boutique firms recruitments, we tend to almost ignore the T2/T3/T4 firms that also expands steadily. The current trend projects that if T1 firms continue their spree then the it would be eating up the potential jobs takers from T2/T3/T4 firms. And this would ultimately result in a higher billable rates as a norm even for organisations that previously preferred a cheaper alternatives as the T1 are gaining more market share.
It's totally a speculation and there must be quite a few loopholes as well, but that seems to me a logical outcome of the current trend.
But the question remains, "do they have the requisite negotiation power to dodge it?"
The Indian legal industry could potentially serve as a goldmine that has only been exploited by the locals, the entry of foreign firms would disrupt the entire market if they offer monetary compensations of even half the hours billed by lawyers, in contrast to a ridiculously high margin cut in lala firms.
There is also a massive potential for the UK lawfirms hiring Indian graduates at staggering costs, they would save a fortune if they could outsource their work to a branch that bills at 5 times cheaper rate.
Apart from a few equity individuals there is an incentive for the whole economy, I wonder how long does it take to finally liberalise the market.
It seems more like condoling to me as he just stated it without suggesting an alternative course of action or something like that. Seems fair though, who would go to an institution with such hefty fees if he/she is able to crack top 5 in CLAT.
Although one cannot deny that CLAT is an exam curated in such a manner that inherently supports candidates from privileged backgrounds, but he twisted it because the audience is already the top 0.01%.
This time CLAT has requested to fill out preference list before the examinations and it left me in a bit of dismay. I would really appreciate if you could share insights regarding what should be the correct order of preference for this year.
My take on the what the order should be:
NLSIU, Bangalore
*NLU, Delhi (If you crack AILET)
NALSAR, Hyderabad
WBNUJS, Kolkata
GNLU, Gandhinagar
NLUJ, Jodhpur
NLIU, Bhopal (Bsc. LLB) [Cyber security]
HNLU, Raipur
The only conundrum is the placement of GNLU and NLUJ in the list, I personally feel that the only advantage that NLUJ has over GNLU is the no domicile policy.
GNLU seems like a safer option to be honest. For someone who would like to try out different arenas of the field, it gives much better resources as compared to NLUJ, for instance: Their entrepreneurship initiatives and Litigation funds for graduates.
Considering that my location doesn't favour either of the NLU (GNLU being a bit farther though), If it would've been upto you then what would you have chosen?
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There are 13 All-India unreserved seats, other 47 seats are reserved in this course. This particular batch matrix drastically decreases the quality, other than that it's a decent course since NLIU has had a background in specialised LLM in cybersecurity. If any NLU is qualified enough to start this course it is NLIU, they even have Rajiv Gandhi National Cyber Law Centre.
I placed it above B.A. LL.B. in NLIU as I had conviction in myself that I'll do good regardless of my batch and an inherent interest in the subjects concerned, if you're sceptical about the prospects then B.A. LL.B. in NLIU would be a safer bet. Goodluck!
Although, I get the feeling that you might have a reservation of some kind from the tone of your query (speculative). Supposing that you're having OBC reservation, you would require a rank of under 500 which is quite doable if you ask me (increasing your passing rate by 735%~0.029). If you're from any other category then it gets even better i.e. EWS, SC, ST, PwD, etc. (yes, there are more).
All in all, you can definitely consider if you have a reservation of some sort and believe that you have got the potential of cracking a better NLU.
a) try to get the judge to recuse themself (good luck), or
b) try to convince the judge of your position with the force of your argument and/or facts.
With the analogy you've presented, the following are the roles:
OP: Prosecution*
Commentator: Defendant*
Moderator: Judge
But you failed to take account of the LI audience, they're the Jury. A judge's role is to explain the principle of the matter to the Jury rather than expressing obiter dictum. If need be, the principle should always be in a neutral tone rather than taking sides, and let the Jury give verdict of what goes and what doesn't.
>b) not allowing any borderline hateful, low-effort shitposts to stand unopposed, but to do the job of, you know, an interviewer or a moderator who takes their job seriously, and provides some intellectual pushback to some of the arguments made, to encourage a debate (which is the point of LI)
A totally valid point, but what difference would it make if you rather use a side account to infiltrate all your biases and opinions like us i.e. Chichi Ban, Ashlesha, Hayabusa wala, etc.? A moderator actively being on the left side of the spectrum gives a wrong impression to the userbase, it becomes more of a 'Chichi Ban vs. Legally India' rather than 2 individuals debating about something.
I hope you get my point, regardless of which I've always been a fan of your perspectives and I profoundly enjoy reading them. Cheers!
In the past couple of weeks, I've noticed a distinct change in moderation.
I don't know if it's the controversial topics popping up that made me feel this or not, but LI has definitely been more active in sharing what 'they' believe is true which was not the case earlier.
For me, moderation was about censoring the derogatory, factually incorrect, and targeting nature of comments rather than censoring comments which fall on the other end of the spectrum of what mods believe to be true/un-woke. There are incidents where comments have been censored because they MIGHT offend someone, imo it's a vague reason for oppressing an opinion.
Should moderation be allowed to actively participate in sharing of opinions?
I personally do not think that's fair considering it is the regulating authority, it should be unbiased towards everyone despite the person's ideology not being in consonance with LI's ideology.
To which LI might argue that they allow every comment which is logically sound and all, no. As long as an authority is displaying its bias, it is no longer an unbiased medium to share opinions. I'll cite the threads to support my argument.
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/240820-The-Wire-vs-Meta-Who-is-giving-fake-news-and-who-is-telling-the-truth- [All the comments by LI have been opinionated, so far as to mock everyone in the comment 5.1 for being indifferent]
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/240601-Dating-Advice-needed-Can-not-so-good-looking-girls-hope-to-date-good-looking-guys- [In comment 5.1.1 LI is being the judge of what represents the real world and what doesn't to Playboy PA]
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/240115-2-conservative-US-circuit-judges-refuse-to-take-Yale-law-clerks-after-students-disrupt-free-speech-panel-Fox-News [All the comments made by LI has been heavily opinionated and targeted the audience having contrasted beliefs]
There were more of these incidents, but unfortunately, I wasn't able to keep track of them all.
I still can't understand the reason for an opinionated moderator. Ngl he/she seems like a reasonable person who always contributes to threads when he/she can, and stimulates interactions. You can still comment I mean from an alias or something like that.
1. I would appreciate it if someone could explain what an ideal CV should look like.
2. Do certificate courses make a difference considering they're in the same domain? If yes, what are some of the good ones? (I heard about a company law course for enthusiasts at 'Bettering Results', is it any good?)
3. Do blogs and articles help?
4. Is it advisable to volunteer for social causes for the sake of having it on your CV?
5. Should one expand LinkedIn connections?
6. Would you have a better or equal chance of securing an internships if you've got a good grasp and experience in the practice area rather than an all over star-studded CV.
Thank you OP for providing me a space to address them.
And yes, hourly billing has been a common practice for a long time. Some firms have also developed their in-house software to keep track of the hours put in and maintain transparency with their clients.
Billing rates: https://infogram.com/web-i2210-billing-rates-4-grace-1hxj48pdnpxo52v
Hourly vs. Alternate billing: https://infogram.com/web-i2210-billing-rates-2-grace-1hmr6g7rypqqo6n
Source: India Law Firm Billing Rates 2022 | Law.asia
Is it even worth it? Sacrificing one of the most healthy years of your life on an exam that you barely have a shot at cracking? Kudos to you if you manage to do so, but a law firm job would be much safer and atleast it makes you settled in life.
1. Things have been shaky ngl. (There have been 2 incidents of protests against admin this year itself)
2. HNLU seems a notch above in corporate placements, everything else is more or less the same.
3. The students claim that it's improving but only time will tell.
4. Yeah, placements are growing each year but you should be mindful of the batch size of 180 students while accessing the number of students placed.
5. I Can't answer this one with credible sources but I've heard that the overall crowd is mixed (most of them being diligent).
6. Yes, if you're from a metro city then obviously you would feel a bit disconnected but the university manages to provide all the essentials from a physician, stationary and mental counseling to transportation to the city.
7. I don't think so. T-1 NLU does not have a definitive meaning, but let's assume that it's an NLU that manages to place 90% of its batch comfortably. For that to happen, HNLU has to focus on: a) The student intake quality (which is in decline for the past few years due to domicile cut-off decreasing year by year.)
b) The faculty (GNLU also has a similar scenario, but despite that, it manages to place most of its students, which suggests that even with a weaker pool of students as compared to other T-1 NLUs it performs similarly or even better in some cases)
And lastly, I'll also be joining HNLU so we might as well catch up sometime!
There are candidates who crack top 3 NLUs while being in 11th and then there are candidates that manage get a T-3 NLU with a drop year.You can't say that one is better than the other with surety, but you can definitely infer that one has more aptitude to crack the exam than the other. It's not really rude if you're not correlating someone's performance in an exam to his potential in the field. Cheers! 🥂
I've let it sink in and now I'm quite optimistic about the prospects HNLU could offer if I'm serious enough. After evaluating and doing due research, I've came to the conclusion that it isn't really worth re-attempting and sacrificing an year. There is almost nothing that can be done in a T-1 NLU and cannot be done in HNLU, I've even stalked profiles of people who cracked HNLU last year and they've been doing good for themselves, can't really differentiate them from NLUJ 1st years.
The only thing is that you've to walk that extra half mile to grab opportunities, and if doing that saves me an year then so be it.
I would ultimately be loosing 16 lakhs or more if I switch to another T-1 college while having the potential to crack the same job at HNLU. So yeah, initially it is not the best feeling to be in HNLU but I think it will surely get the job done ;)
Nevertheless, congratulations to such a wonderful feat! 🌟
Given CLAT in 11th, got a rank good enough for ILNU, Jindal and all the respective private institutes.
Gave CLAT in 12th with much more pressure and preparation, got a better rank but still not good enough for a T-3 NLU (succumbed to the pressure indeed).
Gave CLAT after rigorously grinding for 6 months, getting in but not really satisfied internally. Currently, CLAT is a skill based examination rather than being a knowledge based one like NEET or JEE, your hardwork won't necessarily translate into a better result that's for sure.
I genuinely think that I am just as good as any of the candidates getting in T-1 NLUs, it's just that it wasn't my day. Maybe with a decent NLU in pocket and no pressure, I could crack one of the T-1 NLUs.
Would you recommend doing that or should I just go all in with my current academic curriculum? Because at the end of the day if I'm getting placed in a T-1 firm with my current NLU it's the same, isn't it? Would love to hear what you guys think! 💫
I definitely dig the Slug Club idea though, would be really fun. 🧙🏻♂️
Appreciate the morale boost though, I hope I do ❤️
Unfortunately I managed to get about 75 marks hehe, HNLU it is, so I would say you've performed way better than the other 99% of candidates who appeared for it. Pack your bags!
What I feel is that it's a myopic way to look at it. The legal industry has been on this spree for quite some time now, especially after the creation of IBBI in 2016. What we generally see in hirings are just T1 boutique firms recruitments, we tend to almost ignore the T2/T3/T4 firms that also expands steadily. The current trend projects that if T1 firms continue their spree then the it would be eating up the potential jobs takers from T2/T3/T4 firms. And this would ultimately result in a higher billable rates as a norm even for organisations that previously preferred a cheaper alternatives as the T1 are gaining more market share.
It's totally a speculation and there must be quite a few loopholes as well, but that seems to me a logical outcome of the current trend.
The Indian legal industry could potentially serve as a goldmine that has only been exploited by the locals, the entry of foreign firms would disrupt the entire market if they offer monetary compensations of even half the hours billed by lawyers, in contrast to a ridiculously high margin cut in lala firms.
There is also a massive potential for the UK lawfirms hiring Indian graduates at staggering costs, they would save a fortune if they could outsource their work to a branch that bills at 5 times cheaper rate.
Apart from a few equity individuals there is an incentive for the whole economy, I wonder how long does it take to finally liberalise the market.
It seems more like condoling to me as he just stated it without suggesting an alternative course of action or something like that. Seems fair though, who would go to an institution with such hefty fees if he/she is able to crack top 5 in CLAT.
Although one cannot deny that CLAT is an exam curated in such a manner that inherently supports candidates from privileged backgrounds, but he twisted it because the audience is already the top 0.01%.
This time CLAT has requested to fill out preference list before the examinations and it left me in a bit of dismay. I would really appreciate if you could share insights regarding what should be the correct order of preference for this year.
My take on the what the order should be:
NLSIU, Bangalore
*NLU, Delhi (If you crack AILET)
NALSAR, Hyderabad
WBNUJS, Kolkata
GNLU, Gandhinagar
NLUJ, Jodhpur
NLIU, Bhopal (Bsc. LLB) [Cyber security]
HNLU, Raipur
The only conundrum is the placement of GNLU and NLUJ in the list, I personally feel that the only advantage that NLUJ has over GNLU is the no domicile policy.
GNLU seems like a safer option to be honest. For someone who would like to try out different arenas of the field, it gives much better resources as compared to NLUJ, for instance: Their entrepreneurship initiatives and Litigation funds for graduates.
Considering that my location doesn't favour either of the NLU (GNLU being a bit farther though), If it would've been upto you then what would you have chosen?
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