Other than select few areas like Park Street and Sector 5, Kolkata infrastructure sucks big time. The High Court area is one of the filthiest places in the entire city. Broken down infrastructure, no good nearby places to eat and lack of proper car parking facilities. All the associates were parking their cars in the MIDDLE of the street.

Compare Kolkata offices to that of any other tier-1 city. Kolkata Khaitan may be T1 but definitely the worst of all T1 offices out there. No one's first preference would be KK (except localities) when Mumbai and Delhi offices are miles better.

absolutely agree with the cafe and fan stuff. We just need tables and comfortable chairs, lord knows why they've installed more sofas than a furniture warehouse. It is uncomfortable to sit in the non-fan areas and most of the times you don't have any other option cus its crowded af

The HR of a Tax Tier 1 firm told me to tell my college(NLS) to adjust their exam around their internship slots. My exams were finishing on the 1st of June-Saturday, 2nd was a Sunday, so I requested the HR- Mr.▮▮▮ to let me begin my internship from the 3rd- which is ideally when any normal law firm would've anyway begun from. This genius replies and says- tell your college to adjust your exam dates for your internship because we can't offer internships from odd dates.

Ridiculous. I didn't do the internship then and thankfully so.

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/175426-in-house-hiring-please-help

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/189562-working-as-an-in-house-counsel

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/213875-in-house-work-life-balance

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/176282-what-is-your-experience-in-working-as-an-in-house-counsel

Few threads that can help you figure stuff out :)

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/161966-mba-after-law

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/168588-mba-after-law-suggestions-for-a-finance-fanatic

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/231883-mba-karu-law-k-baad

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/164110-foreign-mba-after-law

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/241845-Lawyers-who-did-MBA-Did-it-help-your-career-nbsp-

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/262736-how-does-mba-help-a-corporate-lawyer-insights-needed-for-a-prospective-and-typical-mba-after-law-person

They aforementioned threads can you help make an accurate decision! All the best :)))

I think this in hinting at tax professor. Utter lies is being peddled. Only mediocre students who study night before the exams are failed as tax is something which requires constant practice. Syllabus of tax law is almost same as syllabus of Tax in CS Exam in a reduced version. ICSI module would be enough to score well.

Not luck, jugaad. Personal applications don't work unless you are

1. From a college without rpc connections with kco

2. Are rank 1 AND scored high in important subjects

3. Have interned at 2 tier 1s in the same practice.

4. Have stellar feedback in those internships

5. Have some publications in star sites.

6. Have good finance or legal references.

You can bypass all that by

1. Having a partner contact. If you don't, cold mail. Yes 99% don't reply, but cold mail partners.

Rules of Cold mailing for internships

1. Make a stellar cover letter by writing about yourself and your past (practice area based in law or finance) achievements in the body of the mail. The last line must mention the attached CV. Attach a standard CV (ATS)

2. Follow up in 2 weeks. Do not follow up again. You risk getting blacklisted in the future. Personally know people. Partners are very powerful and can f ur life.

4. Subject of the mail strictly - Internship Reference/ College/ Practice area / Dates.

5. Do not CC the HR or anybody else, unless expressly asked to do so by the partner. Doing so fks up the internal process and a lot of time is wasted in this. Do not partners have to coordinate with clients, juniors, interns, PPOs etc.

5.If you do or don't get a reply, don't start boasting about it to everybody and telling ur friends to do the same. The partner saw something in ur profile that was worthy, don't risk ur internship being revoked. Yes a partner can get that done too.

6. Don't call/ sms/ whatsapp message

7. Don't lie, not worth it.

8. Mention your academics please, need not be topper, but mention them. They do matter.

9.Dont use this route if you have rpc connections. The HR won't respond.

10. Some firms have very centralised systems, partner refs don't work. For example, SnR, TTA, JSA, Kco, somewhat Luthra, CAM. Mostly tier 1s, try this with tier 2s.

Hey,

Will advice you something even if I don't have the credentials or exp to., but have observed.

Join anywhere. ANYWHERE. Don't look at practice area, location, pay. Just join anywhere. With this I don't mean litigation, that's another ball game. Join even semi legal, or non legal roles, but someone hiring. Then network. Create a network.

Go to linkedin, firms constantly put out freshers hiring posts, not too often tho, just apply and try to get in. When you have 2 to 3 years of experience, u will find gates open for you everywhere. You will be in need. Then be a little picky, Join tier 2s or 1s.

But don't wait, just join anywhere.

Thanks for your insights, Sir/Madam

1) Sir how can I tackle problem of college reputation, internships and extra curricular at this stage ? I am supremely stressed that the damage is irrepairable. My classmates and I were too focused on judicial services.

Another question is that:-

2) i want to avoid disputes team like the plague! I have started to hate incompetent and lethargic judiciary !

Thanking you

@kian had done thing research some years ago and revealed the periods by firm. Unfortunately, that kind of research is not avaliable today.

Unless someone is willing to

1. Years for partnership by firm, by practice area

2. Disputes practice and going to courts

3. What the hell is general corp

I interned with this team a few months ago. Some of the SAs are really approachable and kind but they are all always under constant pressure and stress even when there seemed to not be anything pressing. The partners put unrealistic expectations and inhumane deadlines for the joy of it which showed in the faces of these SAs. Felt really sad for them and decided then and there that this is not the place if you want to work and progress and lead a good life. Not worth it.

Hello. I have worked in litigation then companies and recently joined a law firm in the general corporate. From my experience, if you are looking for work life balance, then you should go for in house opportunities. Be active on LinkedIn, connect with all legal heads and head HR. Send them messages of your interest. With respect to law firms, my experience has been very bad considering it was a family run firm. I had to resign from the job and start afresh.

P.S.: I have 4+ years of experience and a graduate of Delhi law faculty. Still facing difficulties finding job in companies. Be clear buddy.

Menon or MP Singh would never stand up for this shit. No doubt the wokes would cancel them for their conservatism and moralism (Menon removed benches from NLSIU to prevent PDA and MP Singh criticised the striking down of 377) but it’s much better to have such conservative, old-fashioned VCs than those who are populist and let standards drop. As the saying goes, “Spare the rod and spoil the child”.

Growing pains. If you want to make up for decades of stagnancy youll have to move quickly and break things. There is always construction going on in JGLS- new hostels or swimming pool or faculty offices or something else. that is the nature of any large institution. I promise youll be okay without a fan in bangalore weather.

Just because someone is a junior faculty does not mean theyre incompetent. Everyone hired complies with UGC norms and is significantly better at research and scholarship than folks in any other indian law school. Even including jgls. And they havent only hired young folks out of llms. Theyve hired a good number of people with phds and poached a very high number of senior professors from other institutions. Sure someone learning under raag might have a different experience compared to someone in sudhirs class. But to call any difference in experience a dip in quality is untrue. The quality of NLS faculty before sudhir came on was considerably worse than other law schools. that much is undeniable. Before sudhir came on- there was no arun at nls, no nigam, no mrinal, no aparna, no atreyee, no arul no ashrita no raag no gauri and no kamala sankaran just to name a few off the top of my head.

All of those people need to be paid- they need students to teach. they need research centres that will make them come to nls. Taking an institution building perspective is hard when you feel like a lot is changing and youre not sure if the only thing you had going for you was the selectivity of the institution. But the institution will be better off for these changes in 5 years time, and would have lost its relevance if this stuff hadnt happened. venkat rao was bad for the institution, its reputation, the capabilities of its graduates- had all slipped.

No one had suggested negotiated grand viva at all. It was the vc who came up with this when he daw students didn't want the grand viva which is not followed in any other nlu and is against the idea. A majority of students have rejected the grand viva even in the negotiated form because it is silly and stupid to conduct things in that way. If you are so disillusioned then atleast get your facts right before commeting something on a public platform.

Sorry for the delay:

Previous chapters:

1: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/237313-chapter-1-the-overthrow#comment-237313

2: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/237709-chapter-2-the-persuasion#comment-237709

3: https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/238910-chapter-3-the-resistance#comment-238910

Why you wanted to get rid of grand viva in original form where a panel of faculty would ask anything from the syllabus just like recruitment interviews or competitive exams interview? If anything it would have prepared students for future interviews and 10 marks wasn't a huge tradeoff where hardly anyone would have scored less than 5.

In India, for centuries and by whatever way or reasons, the castes or groups now identified as OBCs, SCs and STs were out casted from education etc. by the so called Upper Castes. In a way, the Upper Castes enjoyed 100% reservation in their favour to the complete exclusion of the others. To eliminate this barbaric discrimination, our Constitution provided for equal opportunity to all. It also provided for affirmative action, if needed. However, owing to the centuries of discrimination, these outcastes were not able to compete with those who enjoyed 100% reservation in their favour - the Upper Castes. Therefore, For these reasons and few more, reservation was implemented to the extent of maximum of 50% (this is by the SC judgment). Later by another judgment of the SC, it was fixed that an OBC claiming reservation will get absorbed only on a reserved seat for the OBC and an OBC cannot switch to the general seat even if this candidate scores the top rank. The effect of this judgment is that as on today OBCs are now limited to 27% seats only, if one is claiming reservation under this category. The general category seats are reserved to 50% i.e., what was earlier 100% has now been reduced to 50% with the only exception that the SCs or STs, if they perform well can take a general category seat - which is unfortunately rare for reasons of graver discrimination they have faced for years and years and still do.

I hear every now and then, that for how long reservation will continue and this is this and that - please be mindful of the fact that reservation in favour of the OBCs, SCs and STs has been there for only 75 - 25 years, if at all, and you feel so outraged, what about centuries of discrimination that was enforced by the Upper Castes? What is happening is redemption for centuries of discrimination - even if it continues for 75 more years, will still not match what the Upper Caste did for centuries and brought about this huge chasm in the society.

There is one more factor to notice - the Upper Caste policy makers realised that they can't eliminate reservation and continue with their hegemony, so they came out with an innovative idea i.e., increase the numbers castes under the OBCs, SCs and STs (unfortunately, everyone feels a great achievement to be included)- the effect is that it has become so competitive to qualify in these categories that it is as good as no reservation for many on the lower strata of such categories. So the well-offs of these respective categories are able to exploit this system more than those at the lower strata of such categories and this will be the undoing of the reservation.

The other effect is this policy of hundred cuts is that castes under General are reducing while the castes under the OBC, ST and SC is ballooning, which will in times to come will make it relatively easier to get selected under the General Category. This will give rise to voice for elimination of reservation by the OBC, ST and SCs themselves. And, this is what GCs want.

It's clear that recruitment is a function of alumni clout plus the time spent on internships, and not the academic rigour of the place. It's a known fact that NUJS students intern way more than other tier-1 NLU kids, even skipping exams/classes for doing two internships in one semester break. So, recruitment figures won't be going down since the great firms anyway prefer folks who can slave it out and are committed to the cause.

A few weeks ago:

President Gopala Naik was one of the finest and astute Presidents the country had witnessed in the recent past. His commitment to duty and his prescience of danger was unparalleled to even the most seasoned politicians around. Honour and respect found him easily, and he had a commanding voice over the executive. Naik was not a politician by trade. He was too sincere to be one. He was an astronomer and physicist who played a major role in Chandrayaan missions, as well as the Gaganyaan missions.

But, as he was strolling this morning in the Rashtrapati Bhavan, in one of his usual leisurely walks, Naik, a stubby man in composition, had a troubled look on his face, an unusual demeanour for the otherwise jovial fellow. The cause of much anxiety emerged from recent events. A bench ruled by the Supreme Court had, six days ago, overturned the basic structure doctrine of the Indian Constitution. What was even more concerning to Naik was that his Prime Minister, Sashikala Banerjee relayed that the cabinet, and her party, had unanimously decided on a course correction for the nation, which was, according to her, long needed. She proposed a far-reaching overhaul of the constitution and that the government intends on introducing a constitution amending bill in the parliament which, among other things, removed 'India' from Article 1, made Hindi a national language, and greatly restructured Part III of the Constitution. This had shaken Naik's conscience. He strongly protested with Banerjee that he could not possibly assent to such a bill. But she had insisted that he was bound to assent to bills emanating from the parliament.

As he strolled around the luxuriant gardens, in this sunny but pleasant morning, Naik, besmirched in guilt, embarrassment, and a profound sense of helpless, weighed his options. He was stuck in a Gordian knot, but could manage to conjure a few options. One, to refer the matter to the Supreme Court as a special reference. That was, however, pointless as K. T. Ramalingam, the current Chief Justice, would side with the government given the recent ruling that the parliament had an unrestrained power to amend the constitution. The second option was to call for a special sitting of the parliament and for him to chair the sitting and openly speak his mind about the dangerous course of these proposed amendments. That was an option to consider, although it was tricky constitutionally whether he can exercise such a discretion. To be presidential, for all pageantries and platitudes that accompany the role, is nothing but playing a character in a script over which the actor has no creative liberty whatsoever. The position is just placed to fill the transcendent nominal space in constitutional law, much like the Rex or Regina in England. A famous adage that he read in Oxford came to his mind. One married a Duke more for the status than the pleasure. Seemed like it is apt in the context of becoming a President in India too, more for the status than the pleasure. Naik decided on a third option. Given the severity of the proposed amendments, and the radical nature of the changes, Naik will send the bill for reconsideration to Parliament. The President has to assent if the bill comes to him a second time, there's no way out. But.... he will resign when it comes to him the second time, and write a letter that he cannot, in good, conscience sign the bill. That will, even if not stop the bill from becoming a law, will atleast greatly cast aspersions on its legitimacy and validity by all moral and ethical standards, if not legal standards. Yes, that is what Naik will do! Great plan!!

As he turned to enter the central dome back to his residence, with a smile having returned to his earlier morose face, the poor Naik did not know that he will die of a stroke within 15 hours. Nay, he will be killed within 15 hours, and the world will be made to believe that it was a stroke.

We wanted to get rid of the grand viva in the first place. VC didn't agree and chose to implement this 20 question bank structure. Now he 's mad at faculty for not supporting his silly proposal. Nothing was wrong with the old system where faculty had full autonomy.

Also, stop calling anything and everything "woke* when it got nothing to to with politics and social justice. Unnecessarily makes all conversations toxic as fuck. This is coming from someone who is totally opposed to a mug-up system of negotiated grand viva.

Tbh a lot of faculty at nujs esp for senior class electives have no basic knowledge of their subject. A certain faculty member teaching the 4th year infamous for failing a lot of students cannot explain the most basic concepts of his subjects in a manner that can be understood by the students.

As for the VC, his days are numbered. He is trying to gather brownie points to get his tenure extended, but ig is inviting a massive student protest supported by faculty. Regardless of the grand viva, his actions are very chaotic and Tughlaq type

Ignore the other frustrated commentator here. XD.

I'm currently interning in a Labour and Employment and WCC Team, and the "Investigations" primarily refers to Anti Bribery and Anti Corruption Work. A Common Statute that we work with on that front is the Prevention of Money Laundering Act. Anything that comes under corporate and financial fraud can be brought into this practice area. It is fairly interesting work (As an Intern, I'm not privy to doing this work, but I've heard about it from the other associates in the team), including a lot of client meetings, analysing recordings or other material to determine whether or not there was a case of fraud.

All of you support collegium, but the fact remains collegium is a brahmin bastion, not even all UCs get advantage it's mostly brahmin- Baniya, if any women comes up in the name of diversity she is also from either of the two communities. Judiciary is suffering from uncle-nephew syndrome.

Collegium had years to try to make Judiciary more inclusive but they refused to do so.

Also don't get into all 'HC and SC judges are meritorious and deserve to be there' debate. They are making statements like Peacocks procreate by consuming tears and Cow milk contains gold. It's not just about representation from lower castes, even outsiders of UC don't get a fair chance.

Also collegium will recommend someone's elevation but if govt. Doesn't approve they are fine unless the person is one of their own (nepotism) They publicly released govt's objections for the first time when govt refused the appointment of former CJI's son who happened to be gay, I'm sure he is brilliant but it's funny how in a huge country like India the only gay person they found worthy happened to be son of Ex-CJI.

Also Judges like DYC are all talk, he talked and talks about diversity and inclusion so much but since his elevation not a single judge has been appointed to SC and 3 judges that have been elevated are product of nepotism.

If they are not willing to reform they should be dismantled.

SC is the first to see how govt. Should not decide on appointments and jumps at every chance to put CJI in every appointment committee (which is probably good for democracy) but they refuse to clean their own house. How is it different from monarchy where rulers decide who will rule after they are gone?

And what will they do after joining law school, pray tell? Overnight the medium of instruction will change, as will the language of everything that they will have to study or write in. Or are you suggesting that law schools should now offer classes in all the languages of this country?

Once again, you choose to respect your rights but not that of others. There is a difference between classrooms and one's personal chambers. If you have such hypocritical mentality, then you don't have to go visit the faculty in their own chambers. Students want to experiment, why don't they try that during moots, which are actually arranged by the students and is entirely a make believe world, or during interviews within the same campus?

So, the Associate working there didn't give me an exact figure, but attributed it to other small firms in BLR like Qu**ar Legsal and stated that it's well above the base litigation pay (from small firms) in BLR. So it would be safe to approximate it to around 30-40k (Considering a lot of the small litigation firms here are paying around 25k pm)

Thank you. This really clarified a lot of my doubts. My area of specialisation is in International Law. I'm still narrowing down on two areas of interest, primarily between International Legal Theory and/or International Environmental Law. I did check out the faculty page and you're absolutely correct, most of the faculty are public law oriented. Also, are Ph.d. scholars recruited as T.A.s

Honestly, No! Throughout the day, you will have to bear with the construction sound no matter where u r, MHOR/WHOR/Academic Block/Library. If you don't go to the library early, u won't find a proper place to study with a fan. Other than this, there are a hell lot of people on campus, you won't find a single quiet place on campus till 1am.

To be fair, the alumni did everything they could to stop the domicile quota including using malicious and underhanded tactics to make the Karnataka HC wrongfully claim jurisdiction of over the nature of other NLUs. The funny part is Messiah undid all that but still uses the case to justify that NLS shouldn’t be held to Karnataka state guidelines for transgender reservation. Anyway, it’s a mess but I think people get what they deserve.

Hey there, user-01.

Let me be honest. Most people doing corporate law are in it for financial reasons, so there's nothing wrong with that.

Given that I've now reached the managerial side of things, I have seen how it works from this side:

1. There are far too many young lawyers chasing corporate jobs, so the Tier 1 firms hold the upper hand.

2. LinkedIn cold-call is poor form, avoid it.

3. Top firms use some things as basic screeners - college reputation, grades, internships, and extracurriculars (in that order). Informally, favourable recommendations from the legal fraternity (lawyers/judges), clients etc may help improve an applicants chances.

Therefore my suggestion is that you work on some of these parameters. District litigation can expose you to good matters. Develop a favourable reputation among clients. We have taken on disputes associates who have 3-4 years of credible trial work.

Best of luck.

It is one thing if there is a general norm for how to dress in teachers' offices. Largely, there isn't because any professor with sense knows that college is the time for students to explore their identities. These analogies make no sense. Tomorrow, a professor may throw a student out of their office for not wearing black and white and say but you would wear it in court. Or for not wearing a sari and say but you would wear it at a wedding. If it is okay to wear something on campus, it is okay to wear it to a professor's office. They should not work in a workplace with young people if they have such conservative sensibilities.

This is a good question. Would be interesting to the recent trends (and compare with that over time). I think folks like Umakant made equity at Amarchand within 10 years. Then, the next decades (2000-2014) saw folks making it to salaried partner in 7-8 years. Now the path to salaried partner is 9-12 years. Meanwhile, fastest equity seems to be 15 years (for the absolute top performer/rainmaker).

Obviously not counting Trilegal “all-equity” model here.