Creative answers from law students encouraged but could you self regulate a little, and mark it as trollish?

Gut level, is it really about long standing carefully curated relationships?

There are rainmakers, and then there are rainmakers. 🐎

In top firms, how much is the founder's pull on bringing in business?

Are there partners that only work on rainmaking full time and zero execution? Is that possible, rewarded and respected?

hahaha youre in a bubble. You have no idea what america even is. Its a big big country with many more people who disagree and young people dont vote because its not cool. Cornel West has no chance at all. Biden may lose to Trump if he keeps it up. And part of it will be because hes associated with radicals in his own party like AOC, Ilhan Omar and Rashida Talib

I'm a batch topper in my law school but due to personal reasons I had to stay at home for a year after graduation. Then I got enrolled and joined a senior office at high court. Not much opportunities were given but I did any kind of work that came my way diligently. Unfortunately, on my 7th month at office i broke my leg and soon later I fell sick and got hospitalized for 10 days and was in recovery for 2 months at home as per doctor's advice. When I got alright, I intimated my senior that I'll resume my work from now on, he too agreed the same. But on the date of rejoining, he asked me not to come and a week later, via text he laid me off stating that he was not getting many cases after becoming a designated senior. He too laid of another person for the same reason. This was pretty humiliating. I did not even recieve any experience letter despite asking him and his clerk several times.He said he will issue the experience letter but he never did. I feel that he doesn't want me to give any experience letter. I took a break after this and till now i haven't moved on from this humiliation. I feel stuck and I'm hesitant to join any other office as because this incident has sowed self doubt in me. And I feel my own friends don't respect me since I'm jobless and it's pretty hurtful. Also, my family situation is not very smooth. All of this is taking a toll on my mental health. And on top of this, I feel like I'm forgetting the law subjects which I studied in college now. I want to brush up the topics but I'm feeling overwhelmed by all of this. How do I push myself forward and join a office? Should I tell new recruiter that I worked at senior chamber and got laid off ? Or just apply with the internship experience which I gained during college? Please help !!!

I was working with a law firm after my graduation.Due to some issues, I had to leave the job and was doing freelance work- mostly content writing and legal research for around 4 months.I just recently joined back a law firm and am back on track Thank God.However, since my tota post qualification l work experience is nearing 1 year, shall I consider my non; legal gig in it as well or would it be counted exclusively from the perspective of my previous and current law firm experience?

India is not a hindu rashtra. YOU may think it is a hindu nation, do not speak for the one billion people in this country. Hinduism marginalises women, tribals, dalits etc etc. All major religions in the world marginalise women and other various groups. India will never develop until we look at the development of this country through a rational lens instead of making decisions for 1 billion people based on a fictional man in the sky. Any religion is poison in politics. Stop making this a brain dead competition and embrace secularism. I cant believe YOU must be a lawyer because you dont even seem to understand the basic tenets of democracy and justice.

JD from Harvard costs 3 Cr, not 10Cr. https://hls.harvard.edu/sfs/financial-aid/financial-aid-policy/cost-of-attendance/

I was considering the JD and as you said, it is quite expensive.I have graduated a couple of years ago so not sure if it would be a good step for my career as well (might be a bit too old by the time I graduate).

What if one considers London? What would be the best option for that?

Chill. NKC will be loyal to whichever party is in power in Bengal. If the BJP wins the state election in 2026, you'll see Baba Ramdev being appointed as a Chair Professor, if the TMC wins in 2026 you'll see Sheikh Shahjahan being awarded an honorary PhD. You kids are idealistic and don't understand that grown-ups don't care about ideology. Self interest is all that matters. You'll understand this better once you grow older.

@LegallyIndia and @AshReh: I think we SHOULD have ideological moderation on LI, with left-liberal views receiving primacy. I am in support of shadow-banning right-wing voices on LI. We have all seen how the right wing has weaponised free speech. It led to Modi 2014/2019, Trump 2016, Milei 2023 etc. The right wing is also financially more powerful, so they cannot be places on the same pedestal. It's also ludicrous to say that Israel supporters and Palestine supporters should get equal free speech rights. Let me tell you that the looming dangers of fascism are now showing up in law schools and need to be curbed.

Any insights on which firms/lawyers have good M&A practice in Bangalore? No bar on if the firm is Tier 1/2/3/boutique. The last I read was that the M&A scene in Bangalore is not as robust as Mumbai or Delhi, and have been wondering if that has changed since.

Also, are clients in Bangalore transaction usually only start-ups/tech companies?

Curious to know. If someone has been working in a non-tier/smaller law firm for few years at the beginning of their career, their fees would usually be lower than what a person of same PQE would be earning at a Tier 1/2.

Now if this someone joins a Tier 1/2 law firm, after a a few years of working in the non-tier/smaller firm, will they be paid lesser than their colleagues at the Tier 1/2, who are at the same PQE level and have been there since their day 1?

Which firms usually follow this? And which firm don't?

The batch also knows this incident was controversial because it was a consensual relationship gone wrong and the anon victim didn't come forward because there was no way she could have produced evidence of the allegations without also admitting to everything else that went down.

"And law students should be such who can raise voice against anyone, they should not be having any kind of fear. Like in NUJS (The West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences), students are managing the entire college and they can raise their voice against the director. Anything happens, they can sit on dharna."

Unprecedented and heartening that a HC actually praises students of an NLU for protesting. Contrast with NLSIU, where the then CJI (Bobde) had told Gopal Shanks that he disapproved of such protests (when he came to push for Sudhir's nomination and NLSIU students were protesting at efforts by the TLC lobby to reject Sudhir)

I imagine that Chandrachud is not like Bobde and will support a protest for a just cause. But the question is whether the present generation of NUJS students can protest like early generations? Whether the Gen Z SJA is as active as the Gen Y SJA? Is Gen Z a generation of tweeters rather than doers? Are their protests restricted to social media rants?

The NUJS VCship nomination is coming up and will heat up after the 4 June election results. Will students do anything then?

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/ahmedabad/on-allegations-of-sexual-harassment-queerphobia-hold-confidence-building-exercises-teach-inclusiveness-to-students-hc-tells-gnlu-9297804/

We are lying low because the US government and cops are behaving like you would expect in a totalitarian state. The Dems and Republicans are just the same. Mark my words: the youth will ditch Biden and vote for Cornel West this time, just like most young people in India have ditched Congress and switched to AAP.

#FreePalestine

#ShameOnYouBiden

#CornelWest2024

Hi. After how many days should I drop a follow up email when the interviewer tells me they'll get back to me "in a few days"? I need to know whether I'm getting hired or not so that I can apply to other places. Is sending a follow up email 2 weeks after the interview okay?

Sadly, a mail has been sent saying that yet another student from Jindal passed away this morning. Ze was 24 years old and in the policy school. Ze also completed zer undergrad from Jindal. Zer grades and zer CV were both good. I do understand OP's post that even a 1% death rate for young people can mean 2-3 deaths a year in just one college, but it's upsetting to get such news. RIP.

Note: The student used Mx instead of Ms, and the university is also doing so, hence the above pronouns.

If you are really dead set on becoming a dispute lawyer overseas, instead of an LLM do a JD. It’s the equivalent to LLB in India and you will have plenty of opportunities or careers relating to dispute resolution. It’s 3 years but incredibly expensive. JD in US has to be done in high ranking T-14 university to get good jobs so your costs will go easily 10+ crore and living costs are not even included. However, admission to any of these T-14 jobs can get you jobs in big law which have entry level salaries of $200,000 and upward. I would only suggest this option if you have that much money to spare or else it’s waste of money

Hi, I am a fourth year from a non-NLU with a decent CV. I have heard from a few seniors that certain firms have a 'hiring freeze,' and some firms accept assessment interns but, after a tenure of 4-6 months, state that they do not have any vacancies. I am quite anxious for the future. Please suggest some tips as to how I can stay mentally positive. With the upcoming placement cycle, my batchmates are also facing similar anxieties.

We would love to have some insights from seniors.

In my honest opinion, moderating is not like a superpower that let's you post or block a thread on your whims, it's a much more objective process that requires little ideological intrusion.

And yes, a proper system although gives space to all sides but equally restricts each of them as well.

To answer your question in brief: I don't think that a moderator has the authority to impose his/her political ideology while doing his job, hence it should not play a role in moderator selection.

PS: Hoping to see you guys joining the 'dark side' :)

At another NLU, the animal lovers take care of the dogs and cats, often using their own money. While none of the animals are violent, a student accidentally ran over a cat. In response, the animal lovers obviously expressed concern. Now, it has become a political issue with the people bashing the animal lover's community. The person who ran over the cat depicted the same thing during a college arts festival for a dance. How is this humane, forget even loving animals at this point? Law students are the biggest hypocrites.

Hello Everyone,

I am a 4th year non-NLU student. I have my placements coming up, and I have a mediocre CGPA, although I have done three moots and two publications. I feel my CGPA will drag my application down. I have lost hope of being placed. Are there any other activities that I can do to boost my application. Furthermore, suppose if I don't get placed through my college then what steps can I take in my 5th year to secure a job before I graduate.

The main hope is that mods, being lawyers, should uphold and believe in the values of the Indian constitution and truth and good faith and being kind to others on this forum. Is that ideological?

Dear existing mods / applicants / community: any thoughts or opinions on this? Please feel free to weigh in also.

I'm in final year (about to graduate in July) with not much hope from my college (lower tier NLU). I've got an assessment internship opportunity (3 months) at a boutique firm but their pay is very low and I'm also getting an internship at KCO (not assessment) through contacts. Which one I should go for? Are there any chances for me to get in?

Hi,fellow LI users. I graduated from not so known law school in tier-3 city situated in Hindi belt region and am currently working in a chamber.I can write and speak decent english but when it comes to presentation of legal things I fumble, not able to express/ recall things properly and at times I even go blank on a topic which I can easily explain in hindi.I don't know whether it is content or english but I am really suffering due to this and I really want to improve my presentation skills. Any tips on how to improve would really help. Thanks in anticipation.

Some unanswered questions in the article:

1. Have any such Indian students been identified and are being investigated? Or is the report just based on guesswork? There was a report of an Indian girl being expelled from Princeton a few days ago, but is she an Indian citizen or a US citizen?

2. Last night the police stormed Columbia and arrested several students. Were any Indian students part of the group?

3. How come no one is talking about the fact that it would be a blatant violation of civil liberties to cancel the visa of Indian student protesters? Surely they can go to the US Supreme Court? Don’t US first amendment rights apply to all persons, not just all citizens? How come none of the lawyers interviewed said this?

https://www.business-standard.com/amp/finance/personal-finance/israel-hamas-war-protesting-indian-students-face-risk-of-losing-us-visa-124050100153_1.html

Hi, I have been told that SAM still offers a virtual internship for 2 weeks. Is that true? Also if yes, is this available across all teams or selective ones? I would be even more grateful if someone could shed light on the virual internship application procedure ( cold emailing or hr route) Also any team preference more likely to give out such an internship? Thanks

there's no big deal about people leaving Vedanta or any company for that matter. It's like any other company where some folks move on after a while. After being there for 8 years, it's natural for someone to want a change. Plus, Vedanta has lots of young folks who are eager but sometimes not so committed, so they come and go and that kind of churning does not represent anything. Recently, Vedanta Legal department hired some really smart and senior legal folks, including one from the US. So, let's not make a fuss about nothing, okay?

Are you, as a law student (or worse, a lawyer), suggesting that the evidence to be submitted in a court of law should come via an anonymous Google form submission, to support a claim made on an anonymous Instagram account?

I pray for those you seek to represent in court one day.

Amusing......one NLU is reprimanded for rape and downplaying it, another one does not pay faculty salaries, a third one institutionalizes corruption in the admin, a fourth one hires faculty via the back door, a fifth one restricts students from wearing certain types of clothes, and the circus continues unabated, with the clowns on this platform cheering.

I know a couple of Indian LLM students in the US who were active during the CAA protests in India and also stand with Gaza, but unlike the CAA protests they are not actively protesting in the US because of the risk of arrest and visa cancellations. They are even signing petitions anonymously, without using their name. It's condemnable that the US is arresting peaceful protestors.

1% of 1.3 billion is 13 million. Would that then include senior lawyers, or even law firm SAs? If you earn Rs 20 lakh to 1 cr a year, like most SAs or partners do, does that put you in the richest 13 million? I would think yes, because the per capita income in India is still very low.

https://twitter.com/ManishTewari/status/1785358510878068876

Either I'm missing some context here or this comment by the HC makes no sense. The HC acknowledges that the formal inquiry report found nothing to substantiate evidence of rape or harassment, no official complaint was filed with the IC or the authorities, and the Registrar made a statement essentially stating all of the above. What else was the Registrar supposed to do then?

In first year tort law class we all learnt about “course of employment”. If a professor molests a student outside campus, then it still counts because the professor is meeting the student in the capacity of a mentor. In any case, SH is a CRIME, not a tort. A perpetrator should thank his stars if he is merely disciplined by a college and not arrested by the police.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/newsclick-founder-prabir-purkayastha-accused-of-terror-funding-in-8-000-page-chargesheet-5561916/amp/1

To refresh everyone’s memory:

- A report in NYT had alleged a nexus between Chinese Communist Party lobbyist, Neville Roy Singham, and Newsclick. The Delhi police soon arrested the founder of Newsclick, Prabir Purakayastha, who is also a member of the CPI(M).

- The arrest has been condemned by eminent intellectuals. It has been pointed out that your FOE includes the right to espouse pro-China positions and the CPI(M) has been doing so since inception. No illegality in it and zero basis for arrest and detention.

- Meanwhile, noted jurist and NLSIU alum Gautam Bhatia got dragged into the case, as the police alleged that he had been approached by Xiaomi and Vivo to write articles favourable to China and to these companies, in exchange for funding for a think tank that Bhatia was planning to start. But it was not shown that this actually happened and no think tank was started by Bhatia. The naming of Bhatia was condemned by eminent intellectuals, including NLSIU alum and Oxford professor Tarunabh Khaitan. On LI, some critical readers felt that Bhatia may have been regarded as a “useful idiot” by companies linked to the Chinese government, but again there is no illegality in it and it is routine for lawyers to push for corporate interests through consultation fees. Several senior lawyers do so.

- It was also shared on LI that another NLSIU alum, Rishabh Bailey, who is the son of NewsClick co-founder Geetha Hariharan, had worked for NewsClick and one of Neville Roy Singham’s companie, but he has not been named. Which suggests that the police singled out Bhatia because of his high-profile.

And now, we see terror funding charges against Purakayastha. Also, the Gautam Bhatia link seems to have been dropped. Thus, the plain fact is that these charges are based on flimsy evidence and speculation. You may not be happy with China, but it is not a crime to support China, just as many people support Netanyahu and Trump. Further, Xiaomi and Vivo are legally operating in India and any lawyer can work for them. By that logic, if AZB represents Xiaomi in a tax case, or Anand & Anand dies so in an IP case, then they also become anti-national!

Dont go to LKS. I'm ex LKS of 10 years, and recently left coz i couldn't bear the ▮▮▮. If i could go back in time and ask myself to not go to LKS, I would. But since I can't i'm trying to help here.

The only people who can consider going to LKS have to meet all of the following conditions:

1. You want to do tax all your life. I dont know how at 24-25, anyone is capable of making such a life decision. Once you are at tax lks, you cannot work on any other subject ever coz no one else will hire you. Also their other subject areas are meh, and no one in the industry takes you seriously if you want to move laterally.

2. You dont mind being paid terribly low compared to your peers. An Associate Partner here earns less than a Senior Associate of CAM, SAM, Trilegal, erltc.

3. ▮▮▮

4. You ▮▮▮

5. You want to work in a tier 2/3 firm. This is not an overall tier 1 firm but only is known coz of its dominant tax practice.

I know most of you are dying for a PPO. I hope atleast some of you can understand my pain. I dont want you to wast your youth here. You will not be happy. Frankly struggling anywhere else will give you more experience and skills than working here.

All the best.

They are a really small team & u generally hear good things about them in the VC / M&A space. The only people who know them are ones who have worked with them, else no one else knows them even. They don’t have a proper website also! Only place to find anything about this firm is their LinkedIn page, which lists some of their old work. Time for Newel to update I guess if they are still in business and doing deals!

The Registrar was up for worse. But AG softened the blow. Hence apology. But only because the HC expects this Registrar to demit office soon since GNLU has advertised for a new Registrar.

Registrar has become the fall guy. He couldn't have acted alone in this entire fiasco. But AG is in a fire-fighting mode and the HC can do little if the inquiry report "found nothing" directly concerning the two issues that were highlighted in the media.

Very interestingly, the ex-SC judges (the one who recused and the other who took her place) were art of the inquiry committee that took up the SH complaint against CJI Gogoi; and that too "found nothing"!

SJA activism exposed multi-crore UGC grant embezzlement. Two judicial inquiries took place. Sadly PIB and Co were successful in diluting follow-up action. But the Registrar was fired. PIB had nearly scored the home run, but SJA did another big exposure and PIB and Co had to leave. PIB went back home, his hand picked Registrar scurried to MNLU Mumbai and later Sym Hyd and other acolytes faced inconvenient days after eons of cakewalks.

Unfortunately, Lord Taluk and later NKC and Co diluted and buried all the inquiries. SJA was hollowed out. COVID brought the house down.

Ironically, a prime recipient of NKC's "magnaminty" has now alleged SH and this may scuttle his chances of getting a full second term. But that hasn't stopped him from monetising postings.

Exactly! LI extensively covered the earlier SH incident (2013-14) involving two admin staff. Mainstream media ran several articles. The media exposure actually resulted in police finally arresting the alleged perpetrator. Later when the alleged perpetrator was fired by the EC in 2019 and he went to Cal HC that has been posted on LI as well including the citation. The 2014 case in local court is still on and the citation is publicly available.

As regards the Associate Professor alleging SH by VC, it is public knowledge. Her WPs in the Cal HC have also been posted in LI and is known to everyone.

What's with the chilling effect?

Samvad is a Tier 2 law firm. Compared to other corporate law firms (Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3), the work culture and work life balance usually tends to be better (this is also dependent on which partner you work with). No corporate law firm in India has a healthy work culture but Samvad is relatively less toxic than the others. The salary, bonus and increments are pretty low compared to other Tier 2 law firms and there is no pay band as such. The 2024 hike and bonus were very low. Some of the partners and PAs and SAs are really good to work with but some are downright toxic. Bangalore, Delhi and Mumbai are the main offices. Chennai and Hyderabad are 1 partner operations and pay peanuts. Choose wisely.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/vice-president-jagdeep-dhankhar-inaugurates-newly-constructed-silf-building

From its members? Who perhaps gained thousands of crores collectively by blocking the liberalisation of the legal sector?

Yep. People who blindly love dogs like their own babies without thinking rationally are insufferable. Take your rabid baby home with you don't impose them on us. No one is hating on your dogs it is a issue of security, strays are extremely territorial, running behind cycles and bikes, barking at and biting teachers and students.

You are free to love them as your own, we are free to not.