Sahi kaha. In ko lagta hai saare engineers CS hain aur sab Google mein kaam karte hain. They totally forget a vast amount of BTech grads are not CS and a vast majority of them are not even from T1 and T2 engineering colleges. I have seen Btechs working in HR department of my company. A lot of Btechs do MBA and can be seen in very generic operations or administration roles. Civil Engineers and Electronics engineer also do not have an easy life.

It's what I told her, but apparently even her parents are leaning towards BITS for some reason. I'm not gonna go offer unsolicited advise, any more than I already have. I'm sure PGCL is quite possible with her percentile in MAHCET. Like you and few others said, that followed by an MBA or LLM even abroad should be more lucrative than a 5y 60+ lakhs course at BITS.

Have been informed of PPO interview with Khaitan Mumbai corporate and CAM Bangalore Corporate. Trilegal Gurgaon and S&R Delhi also showing up at campus day zero. Having confidence of clearing each and any interview, what do the revered industry folks advise is the best place to start off and sustain ? All GC/ MNA teams

Added info that I hail from Bihar so distance wise no barriers in pro or cons ? What other benefit or drawback for each team exists

Lmao comparing NLS ba llb with Harvard jd makes you the most delusional person ever. A) you will never even set foot into their llm programme (which is looked down upon by the jd students) and B) stop calling yourself the ‘Harvard of the east’ then? Joining Harvard is exceptional if it’s JD. Period.

Absolutely not. If/when your senior gets to jump to a T1, she'll be able to recognise the difference. ICICI is a simple 9 to 5 as a norm, with Saturdays and Sundays being partially working on rare occassions. Not to mention that for the first few years, you don't have the responsibilities or oversight that would require you to ordinarily go beyond your work hours.

ICICI is a great option for those who want good breakfasts and an even better work life balance. The career progression takes a dip with seniority & pay scale can't dream of eventually keeping up, but otherwise, as long as you don't mind the clerk-type in-house work profile, it's a decent option vis-a-vis T1s.

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Why can't I rant? If after putting in the hard work and requisite number of hours, I rant on this platform to vent why is it a problem? This is my way of coping with it. I'm ranting but that does not mean I am not putting in the work as well. If you can come to this pedestrian platform as a so called academic, ranting about the quality of the student community and berating them as glorified clerks then why can't a student share his experience? You call them glorified clerks. This is what you call people who go for corporate jobs. Yes we want to become glorified clerks, that is our horizon of aspiration and that should be completely fine. Not everyone is privileged enough to pursue fancy LLMs and PhDs or go into litigation related work. Some of us come from low income families and have to put food on table. If firms prioritise grades as a metric of our competency we have to compete for those. Even top 5 students are vying for those jobs only. Then , the only person who seems to show arrogance and contempt is you and teachers like you. You show contempt for a student's career choices and arrogance about your own infallibility. Yes, I have tried to ask for 'feedback' from these teachers and have not received satisfactory answers. Also, I don't ask senior associates and partners to keep me engaged because it's not their job, and even then some of them explain different concepts and research propositions in a manner that we as interns feel engaged. I have asked for the most stupid questions and clarifications and have not once been berated by them, because they know that I am learning and it's okay to mistakes in the learning stage.No gainsaying that I have learnt more in my internships than I have from people like you who have no respect for their students, even when they work hard. No these teachers don't hate me, but that's not even my point to begin with. All I said was they have biases and that they are not perfect, exalted beings that are incapable of any error. You say you want all students succeed. The truth however is you would be happy if your pet students succeed and for the rest you wouldn't really care and would probably berate them on platforms like these. Please spare us the moral lecturing, professor. I never said it's okay not to work hard. I work hard despite the system being rigged against me. Andd, why are you spending time responding to this errant kid on this platform? Surely, teachers don't have time to hold personal grudges/engage in petty talk. The simple truth is this: It gives you an ego boost to show a student such as me 'their right place' because how dare can this lowly student even voice their concerns/find a venting space when the ultimate pinnacle of knowledge with 'multiple degrees' should have the last word on anything. I have had bad experiences with teachers and despite that I have never diluted the effort I put in to my work. You ideally should not negate my experience, but nothing I say would change your prejudiced views.

What makes you think I am not a good student and not putting in requisite hardwork? Do you know me personally? No right? I'm in the top 10 students of my class, just not top 5 and would have been had I resorted to ingratiating teachers like other students do. And no I'm not a 17 year old who has uninformed opinions. Your conclusions are generalizations and nothing you say to deny that would change that. You very conveniently side step addressing the personal biases of teachers and misconstrue what I am saying. I never said that teachers have an incentive to be corrupt in their marking criteria but that they are infallible people with their own set of biases. If you studied from NLU you would know that the term examinations are often anonymized and the teacher would not know whose script they are checking. It is the internal component where they would unleash all their biases and mess up people's grades. I'm not surprised that you conveniently bended my valid criticism of your community to mean that students like entertainers as teachers. That is not what I said. But ivory towers like you would not understand. One of the best teachers I had were neither entertaining not charismatic , they just knew the law really really well and nudged everyone to be a better version of themselves, even the weakest student in class instead of berating them and their career choices. Ironically one of the best teachers I had was also a consti law professor and she was neither entertaining nor charismatic but everyone had immense respect for her because she was fair, was empathetic to students concerns and included everyone in class discussions. What I do or don't in classroom is of no consequence in this discussion. A good teacher would include everyone and not prioritise the view points of her favourite students. I don't need a practical stranger on the internet to tell me what should be done. Why can't I rant?

you should be ashamed for carrying on this hideous practice, exploiting law students in the name of providing internships. If you are so righteous, try to help those who are underprivileged by giving them the appropriate help rather than making a bank out of someone’s vulnerability

He did all this with the approval of the EC. If that gets disproved, doubtful EC would do anything. If Nagraj becomes a liability for the powers that be, he will be allowed all the time in the world to resign and/or get suitably accommodated elsewhere. Will accrue no penalties. His successor will also bin inquiries, if any.

Examples -

1. VR - Messiah

2. PIB-Lord Taluk-NKC

3. SS-VK-SK

Almost all NLUs. After all they all swim in the same pond. TLC-NLU-foreign educated makes no difference. Only some are more urbane and suave than others.

Which one was it NLUO or Jabalpur? By the way the current VC of NLU Jabalpur also did wonders of similar vein at NUJS. And then he wasn't even the VC!!

Also was he the one who made the sexist comment in NLSIU concerning the dresses of female students? And then he was quickly accommodated as a VC somewhere? I think LI had done a story on Nagraj when the controversy broke at NLSIU.

Lallums have earned it themselves by sacrificing their own individuality and by disowning their own grad school, just to get that NLU tag. Once they pass out of their barely 10 months course, they start calling themselves NLS product. On Linkedin, in job interviews everywhere they try to live this impostor life. Which is of course similar to what "some" NLS grads do after going to Harvard for LLM like OP. But I have still seen NLS or NALSAR grads who have done LLM in Harvard and Yale openly call themselves NLU grad, I am yet to see a BHU, DU, AMU, LU grad who has done LLM from NLS to acknowledge their grad school.

They will just introduce themselves as NLS alums, try to get in LLB whatsapp groups, try to leverage LLB alum networks and what not. In a way I think it is disadvantageous to actual NLU grads as these lallums want to take benefits of both LLB networks, that is their own grad school LLB network and their PG school's LLB network. I mean I strived hard, sacrificed and dropped a couple of years to join NLS and make use of its networking power and alum connections and here are these lallums who want to do it for free. That way I will say even MBL students should be allowed. It should either be all or none.

Not just NLS. In all the top NLUs, LLMs are seen as people (unless if they actually want to be a professor, which by the way are a very very few minority students) who think they will do a 12 months vacation course and get the same branding as an LLB or same day zero as an LLB. That is heights of delusion, not knowing the reality in your own country. I have seen these people calling themselves a NLS and NALSAR grads until truth comes out in interview. I mean if they were not there just for the tag they would have proudly called themselves a Delhi University grad or a Lucknow University grad or whatever. The point is be proud of what you are and instead of running after false name tags why not strive and slog your way up the ladder.

Excellent sarcasm. An Indian guy right here at Harvard told me of this website a while back when I was a 2L. He described it as a place which was really good to vent and rant on random stuff about, and where you could find high class shitpost content, if you were looking for that sort of thing (and he was right!).

To answer the question, I didn't know about this place called N.L.S. until now, and I'm quite intreagued to learn about it. But seriously, you guys sure as hell gotta develop a thicker skin, if you're from there. Hell, we used to kid even LLM's who'd been to law school at Oxford for Christ's sake, so how do you think we'd treat folks from a place most of us hadn't heard of in a country half of us couldn't find on a map?

Guys, you carry on like this and the attitude of even folks like me who'd kid LLM's just to troll, rather than to put 'em down, will be like that of that there guy the limeys call Sherlock Holmes. The old Brit once said something pretty smart, apparently: 'Now that I know it, I'll do my best to forget it'. That'll be about how folks at Harvard would start thinking about N.L.S.

I beg to differ. This was true may be 15 years back. These days I will say anyone who dares to open a newspaper and has kids or family members who are about to go to college or exploring options will have at some point of time known about the existence of national law universities. So decently exposed people do know that something like NLUs exist, although they may not know what a NLS or a NASLAR is.

The thing is that IIULER is deciving the common people and students by stating themselves as a Public University! They states that it's enacted through the Act 16 of 2021 (it is decieved as the Act of Parliament) - In reality, IIULER is established under the Act 16 of 2021 of the Goa State Legislature (They added the said thing only in May 2024 in their website) - Moreover, IIULER is branding itself as an institution owned by BCI. People get decieved that since BCI is a Public Statutory Body, IIULER is also a Public One!

In reality, IIULER is not owned by BCI - It is owned by the BCI Trust - PEARL FIRST established on 2020 as a Public Charitable Trust under the Delhi Registration Act. BCI Trust - PEARL FIRST is an INDEPENDENT and AUTONOMOUS BODY and is not a part/unit of BCI (Refer BCI Notifications in their official website)!

Nowhere in the website of IIULER discloses the said thing. Moreover, they did not mention that it is a PRIVATE UNIVERSITY established under Section 2(f) and they are not getting any fund from UGC/government under Section 12(b) of UGC Act!

NLUs, IIULER, Symbiosis all are using

Hey everyone,

Does anyone here know about any part time gigs in the legal arena (like research, proof reading, etc) that require a couple of hours worth of work per day? (or more, I don't mind)

Or if you're aware of any places where I can find such opportunities that would be great as well! So far I've already scoured through LinkedIn and other websites.

I'm a 2024 graduate (in case that's relevant), and since job hunting is going shit anyway, might as well try to earn something in the meanwhile. Any inputs are welcome!

I only date blonde hair, blue eyed aryans. I am an artist as well, yet failed to get in art school and now am studying law with a chip on my shoulder. I am thinking of growing a moustache as well, not too long. Short and easy to maintain. but i don't think caste or skin matter. Also want to try some smoke in my chambers ?

Yes there are a few designated seniors who hire freshers, but mostly they hire from reference. It is 99% contact based. I did not get a place at seniors chamber but he recommended me to someone else. You can make contacts at the place you're interning. Don't be desparate, talk to them when they're free. Have casual conversations. If they're not willing to talk don't press. There might be atleast 3 to 10 people depending on the size of chamber. DO NOT THINK THAT COURT CLERK IS A NOBODY, he knows everything in and out, even he might send you at a place you could have not even imagined. You just need that 1 person who'll recommend you somewhere. Here on LI people only are corporate rats and they know nothing about litigation or disputes team of firms. Relax and learn at the chambers you're working.

It is finally being made into a central university and the only NLU to receive the IOE status. Seeing which there will be an effort by the other tier 1 NLUs to attach the campus and thus pushing us into a NLU civil war. This will see loads of students and faculty loss their limbs and lives. Some will become traitors and join NLUJ, some will betray their own Admin. NLUJ will immediately overthrow NUS as Asia's number 1 and will aim to be the best law University in QS rankings. The craze will be enormous. Every clat aspirant will only want NLUJ as an option. They will only mark one preference and that would be NLUJ. This will result in chaos and mass hysteria within people who don't make the rankings, top clat rankers will be murdered for their rank and attacked before they can join NLUJ. Emergency will be declared in Rajasthan by orders of the president. JNU and Jamia and DU Student will March to jodhpur. Opposition will protest to protect the rights of NLUJ. The Pakistani and Chinese will launch nuclear strikes because they will excluded from NRI quotas. CIA and KGB will work together to have their citizens join NLUJ. NLUJ will be the ultimate battleground for supremacy. Lawyers will only be from NLUJ, judges will only be from NLUJ and firms will only select from NLUJ. Even NLUJ LLMs will be given respect. Therefore to avoid this world ending catastrophic judgement day, NLUJ has armed guards on campus. Precautions, you see.

Yes...he has a proven record of leadership at NLUO and NLU Jabalapur.

He bought a car worth 35 Lakhs and 2.5 lakhs for a music system in the car from the university fund. At the same time, the university does not have the budget for hostel mess. He is working very hard that's why he does not have time to meet students, faculty members and staff. He is recruiting faculty without any public notice.

Once the 2025 hiring stops in August first week, it's 2026. Try getting your assessment scheduled in November December, so they have Jan - April to interview you.

This is for tier 1s, and for top NLU students. SAM, CAM, Tri, Kco, S&R, JSA .

dont waste time interning at firms which arent offering ever because of the downtrend or overhiring previously , like L&L, Saraf, DSK, Bharucha, IndusLaw, TT&A

Kind sirs and maams of li. Started as an A0 day before. Currently operating from a PG with my luggage in shambolic state. Need to move into a house this month and have 2 boys to accompany as flatmates. What could be affordable areas closer to the LP offices? 15-20 minute commute from train is fine for me. I was told Grant Road is alright and it's cheap (for girls not the right place I'm not sure of why it is like that though). What other areas can we be aiming for and what would the range per room each head would be paying ?

Yes, we offer Internships to students of non NLUs and far tier private colleges on a nominal charge.

1. Rs. 4000 for tier 2 firms

2. Stipend offered if for tier 1 firms has to be paid up.

Right now we are offering vacancies in Dhir and Dhir, Luthra Hyderabad and Samvad. The fee is 4k, 15k, and 4k respectively.

Mail us with your cv at burnishedlawjournal@gmail.com, and call at 7254849058 (Ritu Raj, Founder BLJ) for further details.

Regards,

Burnished Law Journal

(Mods, I, the founder, consent to this information being provided on Legally India in the interests of students)

Not everyone is "gifted" with parents like yours. Just open the news and check how many parents rape/ murder/ abuse their children. You are fucking privileged dude. My parents treat me like a servant and I have never been loved by them since childhood nor shown any affection, which has caused me to gravitate to external validation, and I have also been abused by my exes because well, issues. I have severe depression and psychological problems + self esteem issues for years now and will never heal because of them.

@Kian why y’all allow fake information like this? Not only lsat scores matter here but your forefather’s history is even considered. Understand JD is a proper degree unlike LLM. It’s actually what Harvard Law is. Your undergraduate GPA is also given weightage.

Isn’t this like the blind leading the blind? The stupidest thing that you can do as A0 is to seek and rely on the advice of another A0 instead of seeking it from an A1-3, SA or PA. And for all you know, their advice on getting internships and making CV might be totally whack because they lack experience.

Rates of H1B acceptances via lottery are declining and not increasing (see https://www.forbes.com/sites/stuartanderson/2024/03/04/employers-face-difficult-odds-as-h-1b-visa-cap-selection-starts/ stands at only 25 percent for FY 24). As such, I'm not sure how this comment is not relevant anymore. As for people from other institutions going for a JD, I don't see how that strengthens your argument in any way. Of course there are going to be some people with greater resources and risk taking appetite than others. For someone not born in India, a direct green card may also be an option since they are awarded based on place of birth and not nationality. Since the wait time for those born in India is in many years, H1B is the only option for most, but for a small but not insignificant minority of Indians born elsewhere, the process is a lot easier for the above reason. So yes, there are always going to be some people who'll opt for a JD due to their personal proclivities and circumstances, but there's a good reason why many would have to drop it even if they were otherwise interested to pursue the course.

Hey dude! I have an internship scheduled at KCO Noida in the fall of this year. Can you tell me how was your experience in the virtual mode? If possible please make it a little bit descriptive about all the things that you faced in the internship tenure. Also, how was it with the PPO stuff?

It depends. I kept poking the partner once or twice after a gap of 2-3 weeks from the day of giving the interview. I got my confirmation after about a month and a half. At that time, it was the year's end so the HR team was quite busy with annual financial matters. Hence, it can take anywhere from 1-3 months depending on multiple circumstances. It's better to keep checking on with the HR or a point of contact at regular intervals of a few weeks.

As a penultimate student who has already got internship at T1, despite being from a private law school. I believe I am qualified to answer your query.

Starting with the CGPA part. Brother/Sister, humbly speaking, what's done is done. Right? Can you do anything about the marks that have been permanently engraved on your marksheet? No, right? Does this mean you will stop aspiring to work at T1? Definitely NO!

Now all you can do is the best you can possibly imagine with your studies. Try to outshine even the toppers as a successor to their legacy. The more you score for the remaining tenure of your degree, the higher the average CGPA will become. Try to keep it above 8 as much as possible.

Coming to your chances of ever working in T1. I'd say depends not only on marks but many other factors, but it doesn't mean that marks hold less value cuz they do! I am talking about maximizing your chances only. And to do so, improve your portfolio, and work on your CV. Learn drafting. Take part in MCCs actively. All these things will point towards your intellectual prowess, the thing that T1s want the most in their future candidates.

The rest is upon your determination and aspiration. The harder you desire to achieve a dream, the bigger your likelihood of finding pathways that can lead you to your dreams.

All the best!

Congrats to em and they r a live example that even in such a nepotistic field where all law firms r controlled by legacy families, one with talent, hardwork and self-made network can succeed in building a new firm from scratch and even surpass the old names. They r an inspiration:)

Hi, I am a new joinee this month at a T1. From Batch of 2024. I know each to its own and everyone has a unique experience, I would like to share mine.

After having to relocate from a Tier 2 city to a Metro was definitely a daunting task. Especially navigating brokers, landlords, support persons and doing things for the first time. While we talk so much about how to start our legal career, no one tells us about the challenges in shifting cities and finding your comfort. In this regard, I had a slightly rough start with some landlord issues. But now I am doing fine. I had my first day at work yesterday. We had a nice orientation, interactions with teams and partners and overall a smooth start to the journey. I know it's very early but I think things will slowly fall in place. I think law firm/litigation/any legal career sometimes becomes so thankless that we forget to see our value professionally, affecting us personally. I only hope I can find like-minded co Associates at my firm. I got some work that I realised that I enjoyed doing. What I was really worried was whether I would like the work I do. I think that I might. And that's the best feeling I can have right now.

Not trying to make a journal entry here, sorry if I still ended up doing. To those who are working their ass off for a job, give your best and come with a clean slate. Don't let too many reviews and feedback sink into you before you even get to experience it. Those still figuring out or trying to make it, I hope you do. There is little I can do at my level. But I hope you do find your way and best wishes for that.

PS: I hope through LegallyIndia, we can make the young lawyer community more friendly, welcoming and positive.

They are everything you said. However, there's a bunch of them out there who blindly believe that they know what's best for the kid, and that attitude can be overwhelmingly suffocating.

Many people do really well after leaving such a household where there is extreme lack of independent thought.

Build your finances, learn all home chores. And then move out. Take care of yourself.

Yes your friend is taking a bad decision, investing this much amount of money on a new law school for me seems impractical. We have ourselves paid around 6LPA (fees plus hostel) and were promised placements like JGLS 3 years ago at a big media house university in Greater Noida, no internships, no call backs, no help from anyone! We barely have books in library, forget about databases. It's always advisable to spend on established institutions, not on new one-(a 4th year student at BUSOL)

The BCI does not care about SILF lobby, as it should. Nepo lala firms cannot continue to monopolize the legal market. Freshers pay has largely been not increased for last 5-8 years.

SILF will therefore try to probably further delay entry by funding vexatious litigation before High Courts on constitutionality, praying for non implementation etc

There’s really no reason to be picking at kids who’re in their first year. Although we never engaged in ‘content creation’, but how does that put us on a pedestal to be judging these kids. I’m quite certain that this post would eventually end up becoming a source of mockery towards the concerned student.

As far as interning with Pradeep Rai is concerned. It may seem like the easiest option for all of us, but for kids who’re studying at small private colleges, I’m quite certain they’d learn a lot through these posts.

All I’m saying is, live and let live. You wouldn’t enjoy being shat on for not knowing the basics on your first day as an A0, would you?

Hello LI, I am a student in my 3rd year, recently I got the idea to do a internship in a company which usually have compliance work, I don't the specifics of this but I am sure if I secure this kind of internship I would be working under a company secretary, now i want a opinion whether doing an internship is beneficial for my knowledge as someone who will willing to work on law firm in future also does it look good on the cv. Thanks

Bro it's either you or your daddy. Somebody needs to have those connects to land you a job. Simply work to impress doesn't work in law unless you're a NLS or NALSAR, even then contacts help. That's the simple truth, take it to survive.

Just talk to people. Shoot that message you're unsure of, comment that doubt or opinion. Talk to your professors they would know people. Socialise (not necessarily sutta or dink). But you gotta make the move to make progress.

I saw that and it was funny too but later i realised how she was helping people from not so good colleges who do not have a good sort of guidance, some of them may not know how to make a good cv and cover letter but the nliu kid might know from her seniors, in the end what matters is she is helping other students but I still agree that reading the post cringed me.

It's great that you're concerned for her. She's lucky to have you.

Coming to the point, it's not worth the money. 60 lacs is way too much for law.

1. In order to recoup the money, she'll have to stuck her mind that she needs to go for corporate. She isn't going to have open mind for litigation or Judiciary.

2. Even if she goes for corporate and fetches highest possible package, it'll take her more than 5 years to build 60 lacs corpus. Loan is even worse.

3. See if she can take a drop. If not, go for universities like SLS Pune, ILNU Ahmedabad, JGLS, or Amity. If she's of the view that she needs to invest the money. She can rather invest in exchange program where you get to undertake one semester at a foreign University. You also get to intern at firms like Linklaters or A&O. Linklaters make 5 times more money than Indian T-1 firms combined.

4. To be very honest, education institution doesn't matter as much. If you're really dedicated - participating in extracurricular, writing research papers, taking initiatives, undergoing internships, you can beat anyone from T-1 universities, who lacks dedication. Having said that, you should look for challenging environment rather than namesake colleges. Approach seniors and alumini for such knowledge.

All the very best! Lmk what you end up deciding.

I used “necessarily” while putting my words. I can understand your frustration and self doubt that whether you have marketable skills or not. But believe me if you work hard and have little bit of market knowledge and understanding, you’ll ace at this.

Don’t be in self doubt, don’t take my words personally, it was not targeted at you.