Indus Delhi/Gurgaon corp should be totally avoided given how their rainmaker has shifted to SAM.

KCO, Mumbai mein Corporate 7 always has vacancies due to the shitty work culture.

CAM Bangalore has already rolled out PPOs for the 2025 batch so keep it as your last priority.

Trilegal, Gurgaon CK's (i.e. Japan desk/M&A) team and the entire Project Finance vertical always have vacancies due to difficult people at the mid-level.

Can't address your questions in specific detail, as I don't know enough. But let's put this in a historical perspective. Moves like this to various chambers in England and Wales have been known in the past. Lord Steyn, for example, moved from South Africa to England after a distinguished career in South Africa (he made the move in about 1973), to build an international commercial law practice at, I believe, One Essex Court, before taking silk and being promoted to a judge many years later; Lord Hofmann and Sir Sydney Kentridge followed a similar career pathway. Good that Indian lawyers who've made their mark are availing themselves of such options, too.

Corrections (Some of these apply to B&F and NOT ECM)

1. Money and Billing - B&F is one of the highest billing practice, high bonuses and eventually high pay at partner levels. ECM sucks on this front as they can barely cover team costs, so any firm practicing this is actually making losses from this practice. Forget bonuses, and the partners make the least, maybe above IP.

2. Inhouse Ops - You dont get any transferability to such positions from ECM. Maybe foreign firms, not companies. B&F on the other hand, surely. The reason is self explanatory.

3. Never ending diligence - This is true for B&F, you work every day 365. The work is continuous. ECM is cyclical, there are months you have no work and many firms fire associates then, after which they overhire when work suddenly increases. This is common practice. B&F me people leave on their own due to continuous mind drowning work.

4. Dynamic - ECM is ANYTHING but dynamic. You work on the same DRHP and backups all your life, at all stages. B&F is highly dynamic though, even though there are templates, as there are negotiations are higher levels done.

I interned at Parinam last year, they don't pay any stipend to interns but the work sometimes gets hectic, even for interns. The Associates working there are young most of the SA's and PA's leave early after dumping work either on the associate or the intern. The civil litigation team was really overworked when I was there, the environment amongst the associates is friendly but toxic between the higher ups. There was only one associate who really taught me and guided me don't know if I can disclose his full name but his initials are AM. I saw him argue in court also, seems to be overqualified for the job. Don't know what is the fresher pay is but when I asked I was told it depends from team to team.

Both tbh have no placements or very minimal, however you do not have an attendance requirement in PGCL or it is not as strict, Both let you intern in the final two years of your college and Nmims does have a better campus now ( we got an email to move to a new building yesterday ) but if u get pgcl i would personally pick that, upto you tho and good luck :)

Over the past decade seen a few Indian Tier 1 SA, PA and even Partners relocating to US/some western countries and starting life fresh as associates in law firms outside India.

Today an ex AZB Partner went to US to start as an associate at a US Law firms San Francisco office. This is not the first time it's happening.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sonali-mathur-135b4914_a-new-chapter-unfolds-in-my-professional-activity-7213772508079001600-PCL5

In the past, one PA from AZB, Partner from JSA left for LLM abroad at late 30s and later started as Associates at US firms.

Why does this happen? No judgements or personal comments.

But do people make a shift like this for career advancement or is it solely for personal reasons?

A PA/Partner makes good money even in India when you account for cost of living.

Work Life Balance - My friend at a V10 NY firm tells hours are as horrible as in India minus toxicity and shouting.

Dear, i feel that non-CA lawyers should think at least 100 x times before entering this space of taxation. Sometimes they are not given preference in lateral hiring too (unless you are extraordinary) So a situation may arise that you have to remain at the same firm for a longer period of time or maybe rest of your life and always have limited options in your career left to earn your peanuts.

A lot of non-CA lawyers who works in taxation practice at such firms are stuck and unsatisfied in their careers due to this situation. Further there is no good tax practice beyond these firms so you already have limited switching options left for you my friend.

CAM Bangalore

Trilegal Gurgaon

Indus Delhi

Khaitan Mumbai

( order of wlb, exposure and culture along with learnings and seniors )

Tri Gurgaon

CAM Bangalore

Khaitan Mumbai

Indus Gurgaon

( in terms of A0 salary and repute in industry )

*imp - verified data and info only valid for corporate teams, may vary for others

Your current firm seems small with a great partner. One of the best combos to start off. Stick to the place.

To other place, if they really liked you and are nice bunch of people. Explain your situation and they'll understand. While give them a hint you'll eventually join them maybe 1-2 years down the line.

Difference between 60/80 k isn't that much vis-a-vis the bad reputation you'll earn.

Bro this is your first internship right? I repeat nobody will tell you. But 50-80% PPOs are reference of some kind or other. Either you come from an elite college which is an automatic reference. For most others, even when you are brilliant, a reference needs to be manufactured in order for you to be absorbed. When will new students understand rhis

Cons:

1. Volume-Driven, never ending due diligence, sleepless nights almost every day (Jan, Feb, March is a total nightmare due to financial closing).

2. Monotonous and boring after 1 to 3 years

3. Requires copy pasting and smart work without much thinking and analysis as compared to majority of the practice areas

4. Fixed fee billings and clients who want bulky work done for pennies

5. Juniors thrown under the bus until the PA Stage since there is very little document hygiene and direct oversight by the senior members who solely manage negotiation and vetting

Pros:

1. After 3 to 5 years, the practice feels like a game since you end up learning a lot at the junior stage

2. Quite dynamic in terms of service offerings i.e. structured debt, project finance, securitization, term loans, fintech, restructuring, IPOs, QIPs, preferential allotments; et al, thus very steep learning curve.

3. Too much attrition at tier 1s until the A3 stage so more lateral opportunities at big firms

4. Way too many in-house openings at the seniority stage with 25-30% paycut for the sake of sanity

5. Since these practices expect no room for any form of mistakes, you master skills like formatting, math (upto a certain extent), book keeping and develop a financial bend of mind.

Hey everyone,

So I'm interning at a T3 firm. Something weird happened and I'm not sure what to make of it.

My co-intern just got an internship extension for the next few months, which I thought was pretty rare here. Now I'm wondering - is this a normal thing, or is there more to it?

Someone mentioned that this kid's relative is buddies with one of the partners. Got me thinking - does having contacts really make that much of a difference for internships? Can you just hit up a partner if you know them and score an extension just like that?

I always thought were super strict about this stuff, but now I'm not so sure. Is this kind of thing common and I'm just out of the loop?

I'm a 5th year law student looking to pivot from M&A to IP law. After a few internships in M&A, I've realized it's not quite the right fit for me. I'm drawn to IP, but I'll admit my knowledge is limited.

I'm keen to understand what skills are typically expected in an IP internship. I'm also wondering about the best ways to develop these skills. Any readings, resources that would be great for someone willing to learn and just starting out to intern and get some practical experience in IP? Would be grateful for any help.

Check this sub as well. 90% people regret going to law school. Conduct a poll on LI and you’d find more than 80% people regret to law schools in India as well. https://www.reddit.com/r/MBA/s/FV3vPS5f62

Its simply not about prestige. It s also about which degre gives you more options, money and stability. MBA hands down here. Don’t forget mba is gives you transferable skills which you can use in any geography. JD restricts you to US.

If you go to Harvard for JD and don’t end up willing the H1B lottery. What the hell would you do? Come back to India? How will you pay off the student loans then?

Whereas after MbA you get 3 years OPT, which means 3 chances at H1B. Even thereafter you don’t end up getting H1B, you can always seek transfer within your company to Europe/Canada/Singapore. MBA gives you wings to fly. JD simply doesn’t.

If you have to come back to India, a JD is of no use. Also remember- even in US, after JD, you have to work at a big law firm, which would be more prestigious than Indian Lala firms- but equally brutal hours and mind numbing work. MBA gives you much more options (banking/consulting/corp strategy/ startup/ marketing) etc.

See what makes more sense for internationals. There’s a reason why people from top IITs/AIIMs/ NLUS/ Stephens etc are vying for M7 MBA. And hardly anybody from India would even apply for a Harvard JD. Check the stats.

What sympathy? You personally know the reality of your college. Is it bad to even feel happy for others? What kind of sympathy are you even talking about? I like to know what happens in other NLUs. Yes, most of them are good. Whatis wrong in acknowledging that they are good? It is human to compare, doesn't mean that's to get sympathy. Please chill.

Read this and come back again https://www.top-law-schools.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=233259

For international students, LSAC does not assign a numerical GPA. It only gives you a qualitative rating- average, above average etc. your GPA hardly affects your admission consideration.

It is a well known fact that lsat only matters the most for law school admissions for international students. Spend some time on law school admissions Reddit and educate yourself

Harvard would still like your GPA to be rated above average, but any random person from Amity law college in India with 60% or above would be given above average grade.

It’s an all equity partnership and a lockstep. Look those terms up. He’ll earn more than twice what an SA in any team earns. Trilegal does not pay different practices differently.

He’s going to execute for a team that is completely all out at the moment. Doesn’t need to have his own clients

I mean, i get that work in such domains can be volume driven and slight monotonous but isn't that similar across domains?

You're still reading a ton of documents for that deal in M&A or regurgitating on disputes side.

Don't mean to dunk on other domains but would like to understand the pessimism towards BnF/Cap marks.

In addition, trolls here forget that getting into a business school means giving up law together. Those who only came into law because they could get nothing else obviously salivate at the prospect of MBAs and try to champion such options above everything that's related to law.

The fact that a comment like this one which only tries to be helpful and kind to the OP instead of being snarky, sarcastic or trollish, gets downvoted so many times, is indicative of the disgusting mindset of most LI readers, who are all incels and failures with nothing but hatred towards others and joblessness.

Why me must "Thank" IIULER?

1) For removing UGC NET as a compulsorly eligibility? - If so, they are violating the UGC guidelines!

2) UGC is the Apex Authority of Higher Education in India? - How can a Private University like IIULER can override the "Minimum Eligibility Criterias for the Appointment of Assistant/Associate/Professors in India?

3) If IIULER does so, are you supporting an Institution who violates UGC guidelines and dilute the "basic eligibility " criterions?

4) Do you think that, if UGC NET is not mandatory at IIULER, whether the said Faculties who is being appointed "atleast " get the UGC Scale of Pay?

5) If IIULER is diluting the Appointment procedure by UGC, how can you support that?

6) If IIULER does not have any ethics to dilute Assistant Professorship, what's their Logic behind barring one-year LLM (even UGC NET qualified candidates) from applying to the post?

Make some legal points!

I (BO'24) joined a firm (small set-up) on 1st July, 2024. And on 2nd July I got a call from another firm with whom I interviewed like 2-3 months back. The firm I am at pays around 60k and the other one is offering 78k and are even open to more negotiation, in the Corp, M&A team.

The partner I work for is very respected in the practice area (very niche practice area), so I don't know if I should leave and join the other firm, as it will leave a very bad impression if I leave in a week or two, as many of my seniors told me not to leave on bad terms, and if I leave most likely it will be a hostile exit.

Please help!!!

Why me must "thank" a University who does not mandate UGC NET as the basic eligibility for recruitment of Assistant Professorship in Law?

1) IIULER in their Recruitment Notification mandates that the candidate should meet the "Eligibility Criterias stipulated by UGC" - It means UGC NET is the minimum qualification! From where did you get the information that IIULER does not mandate UGC NET compulsorly?

We know how NLUs are VC oriented. A good VC can make and break an NLU more than the faculty or students.

Apart from Sudhir, which VCs do you think are doing a decent job to help the ship stay afloat ? They may not be as revolutionary as Sudhir but are still doing a good job with their position. Anyone ?

With approaching DZ as a person who is interested in disputes I'm very conflicted about choices to make regarding the firms that are comming. Any person who is in disputes who can drop some words of wisdom

PS: I'm not interested in being employed at T1 firms

I'm also not able to score internships with firms like Indus, Khaitan yet but I have a CV streamlined with other good firms

What does my options look like

WTF is an international GPA? Are you talking about admissions based on GPA outside US? Seriously who let this guy in? Bro check this guy’s well being. Go research ffs. Each and every GPA is counted from college and HLS doesn’t let you enter if you have GPA less than 3.75 out of 4.

Also M7 business school right? Your own Reddit MBA thread (where M7 business alumni also talks unlike LI) claim and admit JD to be of much tougher skin to tone than MBA. It’s just Indians find it hard cause we can’t crack it that easily.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MBA/s/iOWDulOyG1

Check dear fool.

I am pleased at this intervention, but think it could have come quicker. I also wonder if the moderators could be allowed to do a bit more than mark comments with tags such as 'trollish', 'contested', etc.? Could reliably-sourced material (i.e., HLS's own admission policies) be linked to by mods, for example? Doing something like that, in addition to the placing of tags, would, I think, help demonstrate this (moderation) as being a credible process.

Start a formal/informal student-run society or study-circle where such activities can take place. Talk about the society to the new batch that will join soon. Some of them will be interested to join it, I am sure. You can be the senior student who pioneers that culture at the university if it is missing at present. You may be pleasantly surprised to learn that some of the existing students also share similar interests, but are too shy or hesitant to seek out other like-minded people. They too may join once you start it. Many of such initiatives have worked in other NLUs. Don't give up hope. You may extend the society/circle virtually too, so that students from other universities may also join eventually. Best of luck!

Any idea on what sort of prospects one can get from this place? I didn't study much for the MHCET LLB, and only got 98th %ile, so its unlikely I will get into ILS or GLC.

Is this a good alternative? The fees is cheap at about 22k per annum, and it seems to have good ratings.

Should I take admission or instead take a drop? I'm pretty confident I can get into the 3 year courses at better institutes if I take a gap year. Is that worth?

Hi,

Does anyone know of any teams in tier 1s that are still hiring for 2025 batch??? Even if not through PPOs but through campus placements?? most of the teams I have heard of have already filled up all slots, so im wondering where all the kids sitting for placements are going to go

Is the BCL only for people who are interested in or are already into litigation practise? If I intend to make a career in corporate law only, will this be a good degree? Would appreciate responses from people who’ve done the BCL from Oxford. I ask this question is because a quick LinkedIn search tells that most of the people were into litigation post which they went to Oxford for BCL. But if you see the modules, there are several subjects under the umbrella of corporate law. Seeking genuine responses. Thanks!

Are you high or something? An international GPA is not converted into US 4.0 scale by LSAC and hence is not counted for rankings. Schools hardly care about international GPA. You get a good lsat score and you are in.

Whereas to go to an M7 Businesss school requires a shit more ton of efforts

All you can do is do your bit. Know your CV inside out, be extremely strong on your fundamentals, and just know that it isn’t the end of the world. Your day0 is a product of five years - if you’ve put in consistent effort in this period, you will get the result. All the best, I hope it works out for you!

Interned at ELP Mumbai. HR had informed me that they had a slot for the corporate team, yet on the first day I was assigned indirect tax and was told there was no scope to switch. Also, HR told us most hiring at ELP is lateral, so they don’t have a proper PPO track like other law firms. Do it for the experience, but if you’re looking for a job, make sure that you are being assessed for a position that is open before you take the internship.

Office is nice, as are the people.

Kinda yea

1. They have behind the scene arrangements with law firms/ individuals who are shamed here. The Trilegal incident etc, among others. This is basic media marketing so whatever.

2. They actively promote companies/ interests using payment subscriptions. You will see certain threads by influencers etc being upvoted.

Skin tone, height and looks are definitely important in dating, caste isn't that important I'd say but you need individual physical qualities (like the ones I listed before). Most guys are the loser nerd types so I wouldn't say you have high competition. If you reeally wanna date as a completely average guy then go in a niche of some sorts, like grow your hair out or something along the lines

Fellow 3rd year here. I always want to have a conversation about dworkin’s legal philosophy or rigorous analysis of Indian Cases with great dept. Turns out my batchmates find that nerdy and they are busy posting on Instagram or discuss about people’s sex lives. Professors are too busy about not caring. What to do? I want to have a career in academia and I am feeling that I can’t touch the heights of excellence here.

Wdym? My application was recently rejected once, and as per the message on their portal, I can't reapply for any position for 6 months from the date of rejection.

Also, can someone confirm if Khaitan's HR genuinely goes through the applications before rejecting them? Because I've been feeling bad about myself seeing peers get in (not sure but assuming they might have used their personal contacts to get an internship at Khaitan) while my application was just rejected a day before the date I had requested as the starting date of internship (which made me wonder if it was automated).

Hi. I think most of the readers don’t know what a Harvard JD (not knowing may sound pathetic) is in the first place, prolly for them a Harvard llm is itself a big deal. Getting in is a very big deal and I think majority of readers do acknowledge that. It’s just a few trollers who love to spew nonsense anyway.

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