The main problem with NLUD is the professors they have

they have drank the Kool aid that they are the best, they are training the students to think better etc

result: students not interning enough despite being located in Delhi

If NLUD students interned round the year the way DU students to, every single one could land a tier 1 job and be known as the Mecca for corporate/high profile litigation

But the liberal professors are destroying the career of the talented students so they can feel good about themselves

In the meanwhile colleges like NUJS, NLUJ know that their students wont get jobs if they donot intern aggressively, so that is what they do and the student bodies are able to keep the teachers in check and don't let them ruin their internship opportunities

Things are better. Admin is willing to be flexible and has allowed students to intern in whichever month they wanted. Aluminis working in JSA, LKS, Wadhwa Law and other good firms. Team recently got qualified for global rounds of Oxford IPR..some students have also SCOPUS publications.. CITIL is doing great, students from NLS interning there.. (an insider in 3rd Year)

Policy bodies like Vidhi start with paying 9LPA to a fresher, which is more decent than most fresher jobs available in this economy. The work culture and exposure that you get are also great. It opens many a door for an enterprising and capable individual that you would not have even known about. Litigation still works better if you don't have to contribute to the family for the first 3-4 years, but that does not mean you can't make a living out of it, especially if you have spent your 5 years in law school upskilling yourself for that, learning how to draft well, picking up courtcraft from seniors, building a contact base. In no field will money and success be handed over to you on a platter, you need to build up to it from scratch unless you are privileged enough.

No doubt, as of 2023-24, West Bengal remains the sixth-largest state economy with a GSDP of ₹17.19 trillion ($208.24 billion), accounting for about 6% of India’s GDP. However, this is far from a growth story. In fact, it’s quite the opposite! Your response lacks historical context, so let me explain.

West Bengal was once a top economic player in India (which is why it still holds the fifth rank). However, its decline is a matter of record. Despite Mamata Banerjee’s promises, her tenure has not halted the industrial downturn. Major companies like Tata Motors (Nano project), Hindustan Motors, and Britannia have exited the state. Even ITC, Haldia Petrochemicals, and Shapoorji Pallonji have moved significant operations out of West Bengal. The state’s share in industrial output dropped from 9.8% in 1980-81 to around 5% by 1997-98, indicating a severe decline over the decades.

If this trend continues, West Bengal could rank among the poorest states in India in the decades to come.

Stephen's, DU colleges were the toughest in India till 1990s. Then the world became different. Students wanted to become specialists than generalists with art degrees.

The advent of specialist education became very prominent after liberalisation.

IITs and NITs

NID, NIFT

IIM IIFT

NLUs

AIIMS and JIIPMER

Etc etc got the best of India but that doesn't mean that Stephen's attracts bad quality students. No. Stephen's still attract quality students.

Nowadays Stephen's, DU admissions are not that difficult compared to past. But it's still difficult.

Oh no, LI shaming has happened for a week now and KCO hasn't course corrected. What will happen of KCO now!!?!

Fellow LI Person, don't think LI comments are ever taken seriously. The firms have bigger fish to fry. If you are a fresher joining KCO and don't know what they have offered you, email the HR or call them. Legally India isn't going to give you answers.

Yes. Such a big mistake. Hawwww..

Don't overthink it. You are at a place 100s of aspirants have tried to reach and failed. Make the most of it. You're already in top four, so don't worry. What happens 4 years later is a problem for the future you to deal with. Study well get good grades and overall exposure and things will be good.

As someone who has been at your place a while ago, I wish someone had told me these things earlier, so I'll write the major to-dos down here:

1. Look up Flats & Flatmates South Mumbai groups on Facebook. You'll either find your flat directly without getting a broker involved — or, if not, then reliable brokers operating in nearby areas (confirm travel time through the M-indicator app): look up the brokers' post history in the groups to see if they're reliable; if they're improper or fraudsters then people would have commented such on their posts or put posts in their name on those groups. Once you have identified brokers posting properties in your budget, start sending a copy-pasted message with your requirements. Within a week, you'll probably find 3-5 viable options, assuming you have a realistic price range for the areas you're looking for. (Remember that 2024 has seen a well-documented 20-25% rise in South Bombay rents, so you may have to compromise a bit. (IMHO, 30-35k is a fair price) Pro Tip: Rent is ALWAYS negotiable if you're ready to pay the deposit upfront & sooner, especially if you're going through a broker. Paying brokerage is enough of a cost as is, make them earn it by offering them incentives in return for them getting the rent down.

2. As for the cheapest areas with ~20 mins travel time by train, I'd look for Dadar, Sion, Santa Cruz, Wadala, Sewri, and Byculla. Also look for (and maybe prioritise) closer but cheaper pockets of localities within Lalbaug, Parel, Matunga, Mahim etc. For example, there are a number of old buildings near the Ashok Gardens area which don't have a lift but the rents are far lesser.

3. Also, try looking for a vacancy in a smaller ".5 bedroom" — well known apartments in Parel & Worli have 2.5 & 3.5 BHKs where the rent for the smaller room (which fits a single bed, workstation & almirah just fine) goes around 22-25k, which would be quite a steal. All the best!

By this logic all NLUs should only be in bom. If delhi is a locational disadvantage, then NLIU RGNUL HNLU RML etc should close shop, and MNLU M should have been the next NLS by now. Nobody’s stopping you from interning in Bom - it’s common knowledge that most corp firms in delhi rarely hire. Brilliancy should also entail the common sense to apply to a location which gives you the maximum chance of hiring.

And let’s be honest, poor placement rates are (a) because they simply don’t have the sort of alumni base and corp connects that older NLUs have (b) the sort of market this year.

How to make non-NLSIU NLU kids who post negative comments on LI red with anger 👹 and green with envy 🐸? Just say 2 things:

“NLSIU is miles ahead of other NLUs because of Sudhir”

“Jindal is an excellent law school that is doing very well”

Bonus: They will also go purple with resentment 👿 if you tell them that the alumni achievements of NLSIU students are way superior. And they will go blue with fever 😨if you say that the gender ratio at Jindal is very good and most guys at Jindal have girlfriends. 🤣

13 or 14 fixed (can't remember exact figure), rest is variable — friend who worked there told me that the bonus is given after due evaluation (unlike say, KCo or Indus where first year bonuses are pretty much guaranteed). With Mumbai rents seeing an increase of almost 25% from last year, that kind of salary is really not ideal for Mumbai office people, because their office is also in Nariman Point (as opposed to LP or BKC which are much closer to cheaper but decent mid-Bombay localities like Wadala, Chembur, Santa Cruz, Powai etc), so not living in South Bombay would imply travel times upwards of 90 minutes — so you'd either turn out to be a lucky upper-caste Marathi vegetarian who'd find some unicorn type decent housing solution in Fort etc, or you'd be doomed to shell away about >50k just in your housing + office travel, while still having to travel a bit. Overall, if you take the Argus Mumbai office, your basic expenses may eat away near about half of your salary, which is really not ideal for a first year just settling in — so if you're someone with dependents for you to send home money, I'd recommend avoiding this.

Chartered flights, villas in Switzerland, Patek watches, Cuban cigars, gambling in Monte Carlo casinos, dinners with Mukesh Ambani and SRK, etc…

🤩🤩

We can never afford these, but good to fantasise🤤🤤

Please share stories and let us working class people enjoy vicariously!

This is an unwritten rule across many firms.

So many folks from Tier 2/3 firms and even from elite in house teams like Mahindra, ITC, ICICI, Wipro etc apply to Tier 1 firms hoping to make bigs bucks, getting better career prospects over a few years.

But the rule is almost always we discount experience. A lady from Wipro(or some it company) with 4pqe joined as A0. Banking associates from Wadia with 3pqe joins a Tier 1 as A0.

But promitions for these laterals could be faster than other A0s. Provided they show the output. But mostly laterals also quit like freshers. So nobody gets to make big bucks.

https://www.dentons.com/en/about-dentons/news-events-and-awards/news/2023/may/dentons-and-link-legal-launch-combination-in-india

In 2023 May Global Law firm SNR Dentons launched a combination with Link Legal. Dentons is a large global law firm.

Link legal was not acquired by dentons. It's more of a brand licensing and refferal agreement. Dentons is not like traditional US UK firms who have parity in anything. Link Legal did a massive rebranding exercise with dentons. Link Legal is a Tier 2 Indian practice with some niche areas like Projects, Banking etc.

Question to those at Link Legal is?

1. How does this combination work? What are the Financials?

2. How has life of associates partners etc changed?

3. Has this combination led to any increase in business for Link Legal? Has dentons given any international clients.

Also, has link legal been able to give meaningful work or revenue to dentons?

Batch of 2029 here.

I have seen multiple posts about people in lawschools considering CAT. So is there some other scope related to mba in law or do people attempt it purely to change their career? It would be great if someone could confirm this.

Although, I have heard of some possible prospects in law. But if someone could write down here whatever they know about this, that could help immensely.

Thanks

What do you people even get after bullying school children and college freshers over here? Do you get an ego boost, oh look at this person how bad his english is! Oh look how silly his logical skills are! Oh look at this amateur!

Is bullying people necessary? Can't you just keep quiet if you have got nothing helpful to contribute in the thread?

Seriously speaking, don't go back to jee now. Get whatever college you are getting for engg. If you want to shift to law then shift. But don't ever think of going back to jee. It's just an entrance. It's not that worth it to put in so many years of your life in just an entrance. Thousands of people and even in lakhs take drop every year in jee thinking they will do better next time. You already took a drop and tried. Do whatever you feel like doing (engg or law) but just move on from jee now.

I want to ask that is it possible to atleast get a 30- 40k job after completing college if you are a decent student from a private law college. Like in engineering the average students at least get placed at places like TCS etc for a similar salary what about law. What percent chances do I have for the same.

In the Bombay office, the associates and the senior associates who were handling most of the matters have already left. Remaining are on notice.

One of the high revenue earning partner also just left and joined other law firm.

Be it associates, be it partners. People at no level are happy with the pay. I'm really hopeful about this year's increments. If at all this turns out to be disappointing, I'm out too.

Mohit Sir,

You are investing so much for co-pilot training so that people adopt this. All of this would go to waste if those very people are not retained in the firm.

This firm had potential because people are good, culture is good, partners are nice. People won't leave if only the firm paid salary as per the market norms. Please take care of that.

And also, a firm retreat is also required on 3 year anniversary.

As a 12th pass person of 2024, all I will say is your logic is entirely wrong. You don't know how it feels to study something which you don't have any interest in.

The stream you choose in your +2 should depend entirely on what interests you period! Otherwise the bheed that is in science won't decrease but will actually keep on increasing. Harming not just the people who actually are interested in science by fucking their mental health and chances but also those who select science just because of money. More students becoming directionless, getting fucked again and again by the entrances for the subjects they don't even care about a bit. And finally losing motivation after facing failure for the nth time.

Not every thing should be chosen according to money prospects. Happiness matters! A career will be something that you will have for your whole life. Why would anyone want to be depressed their whole life?

75% of your batch is from science because not everyone succeeds in those entrances. 99% of people in science do not end up with good colleges after their 12th, decide to take a drop and then repeat that cycle. Everyone knows this! And law being a good second option, people shift their careers. They have been doing that for a long time now and still are doing it.

Giving 3-4 chances to these entrances means giving 4 years of your life to just get a college. That is not a joke! You might have graduated recently but you don't the current situation. How burned out we get after our 12th! Drop is not a joke.

Honestly to me, you seem bitter just because your sci friends are earning more than you. 17LPA is not less. It is more than what most of the population in India earns. 17LPA might seem measly to you, but in reality it is not!

You seriously have boomer mentality. Never expected to hear this from someone of the same generation.

The other issue is the place of a management professional taken by an auditor. There will be serious cultural issues, the firm could truly end up being history due to the catastrophic approach being taken now. In hindsight some very shortsighted decisions have been taken. Could end up becoming a b-school case study

I passed my law 2 years after my batch owing to severe depression and health issues. Post that, I have been working in Tier-2 city and working in litigation chamber for 2.5 years. Chamber work is decent though erratic in nature- many days I don't have any work and needless to say there is no monetary compensation. My chamber has very little exposure to commercial dispute, however, i have done a diploma course from NALSAR to enhance my skills. I also independently have drafted commercial rental agreements, sales agreement.

At the moment I am doing one compliance course. Now the problem is after much thought process I have realized that litigation is not my cup of tea. I believe that inhouse role is something that perhaps would suit me better.

However, I don't know how should I approach the companies as they would be hesitant to offer me any job at first considering my lack of proper corporate exposure. Please suggest:

1. Should I approach them as Legal trainee hoping to get it converted to legal associate job?

2. would companies even bother to approve my traineeship, given the fact that i am not a recent law graduate?

Thankyou for going through this long paragraph of the predicament that I am right now facing. I hope that you all can help me out in figuring out the right possible option.

Thanks for being patient:)

I am from tier 2 city. I passed my law school, 2years later than my batchmates because of health reasons and depression. Post it, I have been working with litigation lawyer for 2.5 years. The work is decent though erratic - somedays i don't have any work and needless to say, I don't get paid anything. Also, my chamber practice is niche and not much commercial litigation exposure. However, I have done 2 courses additionally and have independently been drafting rental agreements, compliance of a small smse.

After much hard thought-processing, I have realized that the inhouse position is something that suits me best-not that I am lazy or something but I enjoy to be more on the decision making aspect of things rather than executing them. I don't know how to approach a company as all my internships have been in litigation only and I lack a proper corporate exposure.

I am aware Companies would be hesitant to directly take me in for job and that's why I want to approach for assessmentship. My questions:

1. would doing an assessmentship be good in my case?

2. how do i convince or what approach should i adopt as most of these beginner positions are exclusively for recent graduates.?

Thanks for going through this all and am really hoping that I can get some answers to my query from here.

I am not the OP but I do understand where she was coming from.

She has described the mundane nature of Law jobs across the board, compared to consulting, engineering and the likes. Also, let's be honest, law firms are the only avenue to make any kind of liveable money. I would've liked if you mentioned examples of careers which pay even decent sums, so the young minds may consider.

Not only have you made a biased presumption, due to your lack of comprehension and experience, you haven't even made attempts to read through properly. The OP clearly mentions that PCM opens more gates. You CANNOT by regulation, even attempt engineering or medical, or any related fields without a PCMB background. A class 12 humanities student only has very few courses to pursue that would enabl3 them to pay bills for life.

It is not a huge ask, for a career to pay you decently. It's a basic human right, a human need. In 2024, you cannot pursue a course on gender rights and then also cover for your basic needs.

Litigation pays nothing. Nor does policy. Do tell us what else you know. A further educational investment is required for an academic career, which may also not be viable for everyone.

While I agree the fact that a career is interesting or mundane, is to themselves and their opinion, there is such a thing called objective boredom inducement. And that is corporate law. There is not one person who would do it for litigation money. Not one sane person who's dad isn't an amarchand or khaitan.

While there are upvotes on your comment, they are just random people not reading your flawed statements vis a vis the OP but just amused with the devils advocacy you have so disrespectfully attempted. Rather than making allegations, it would serve you good to suggest these avenues you boast of after you also clear your own credentials?

Abey 3rd yr ke bache, padhai Kar exams ke liye. SAM aise bolrahe ho jaise tere liye teen saal baad ke liye red carpet banake rakha hai. Just 21 peeps were offered Argus, and it's well known there are just 2 rainmaker anyway, so most will be fired or be deadweight and won't be paid bonuses. BB won't publish that, they're the PR drive for law firms. SAM ka 16 is real 16, they hire 100s of peeps. But continue trolling around here, dono hi tujhe internship bhi nahi denge

Are you that same guy posting long cringe descriptions of internships in never heard firms and attaching the confirmation mail and certificate and also clicking photos? Bhai first learn English and original content creation without chatgpt. Second, the boutique firms ripping you off pay you nothing for the internship and will certainly never hire you

I am trying to register as a user and it shows me the error message that my first name is not as per my PAN details, but it is. I went to the income tax department and verified this, and it is the same as what is on my PAN card. Have any of you dealt with this? How do you fix it?

Exactly my point. The partner herself told me this very exact thing when I was poking her after my interview. I just relayed the same. Obviously HR will play an important part in the decision-making mechanism of the disbursement of increments, salaries and bonuses. An HR has many responsibilities under their belt, even in an organisation completely run by lawyers.

You need urban infrastructure which is clean, safe and of high quality. Does Ahmedabad really have that?

https://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/why-india-has-no-reason-to-be-shy-while-pitching-for-yoga-in-olympics-2036-9433674/

Lets discuss the experience of different practices you know of or have experienced personally.

Currently what’s the best practice to follow where work is not too mundane, good money and can exit 10years down the line.

B/F, PE, TMT, IP, Gen Corp people please share your experiences.

Joined a T3 law firm 1 month ago. The seniors expect me to have the knowledge they acquired in 4-5 years without any guidance. I feel dumb and anxious all the time as I'm left to deal with complex documents on my own. The other associates are bitchy for no reason and expect me to stay in office before my team gets in and leave after the whole team leaves. The partner is unbothered about the situation and has no clue as well. I don't feel comfortable taking my problems to him as he is old and quite senior, I don't feel it's appropriate to bother him with these petty issues. However, I'm a sensitive person who observes a lot and it ends up running my day. It's been hardly a month and I don't like the workplace, it's not welcoming to new joiners. I'm constantly being taunted for not knowing things. Whenever I have a doubt, they refuse to explain it and ask me to study on my own in unattainable deadlines as it's the "norm". And everyone especially new joiners should be punished for as the seniors had to deal with it too.

Thank you for reading this. Good night.

ask any RGNUL kid about what Prof Bajpai did to that university. He just milked RGNUL for his career progression. He left the place in the middle with the university almost bankrupt now....introducing useless programes and spending crores on renovating a reception!!! He is a pretty useless person leave alone a LEADER.

Plan 1

If you are interested and determined to do law but can't go against your parents....then prepare for CLAT along side your engineering first year. Consider your engineering as a partial drop and work hard. Apart from nlus give exam for SLS, du 5 yr LLB, LSAT.

If somehow you aren't able to clear it then stick with engineering and explore engineering options.

Plan 2.

Treat your engineering as a graduation degree that makes you eligible for 3 yr LLB.

In your final year prepare for LLB entrance as now a days NLUs are opening 3 yr LLB courses such as NLSAT conducted by NLS,

NLUO conducts its own exam.

Another college is LLB from iit KGP that is only for engineers and provides placements into law firms and other companies in IP field.

P.S. I was in a similar situation and went for Plan2 and it is worked.

All the best.

Approximately 14.5 lakh people give cuet out of which 2.5 lakh apply for Stephens. It’s way more competitive. The paper pattern is easy.

Clat asks basic level CR and Legal reasoning questions and this year’s paper was very sub-par. In general it’s easy only. Even the toughest clat passages were a complete C-Grade rip off of GMAT and LSAT (US), even then the exam was doable.

It is possible but it’s pretty hard because once you get into in-house the work is monotonous and stagnant. I suggest you read up on recent developments in the field u want to pursue and know important things inside out. Because as far as ive heard the interviews are lil tough. A known of mine shifted from in house to T-1 few years back, these were his insights.

Naag Uncle has asked to respond you here. Please tell us the real price of the car and the music system. Please tell us amount spend on convocation and CCTV Camera.

We all have right to know.

If he maintain the transparency and trust, no one would have asking here.

Compensation for 2024 batch - 16L
for 2025 batch - 18L

Parity across Delhi and Mumbai

2024 Hirings as under:

SLSP - 7
OPJ - 5

NALSAR - 3

GNLU - 2

NLIU - 1

WBNUJS - 1

DSNLU -1

DNLU - 1

Argus is now pretty lucrative for the 2025 batch

Argus revealed their compensation (Bar & Bench )16lpa for 2024 batch and 18lpa for next batch in 2025. Better than SCAM, Indus KCO if you ask me.

Urge juniors about to graduate in 2025 and 2026 to consider this than the conventional T1 propaganda you are fed. Transperancy of the firm shows it's commitment towards attracting and nurturing talent. On the other hand your so called T1s including my own firm don't even reveal your package even on joining.

https://www.barandbench.com/apprentice-lawyer/rectracker-argus-hires-21-freshers-from-8-law-schools

About time likes of SAM should die out of shame.

I think a point which nobody has noticed but I feel leads to less numbers of jobs from NLUD is Delhi. We all over estimated hiring needs of Delhi as a city. Always Mumbai has more ppo and fresher joining than Delhi, maybe even 2-4x of Delhi. And most NLU D students naturally choose to intern in Delhi. Therefore I have seen brilliant friends from NLUD on callbacks and assessments but simply not being offered anything. Same people at other places would have had jobs. Wouldn’t be too surprised if only in placement metric, MNLU M equals or betters Delhi in next 7-10 years. Not because NLUD is bad, but because Del as a city has finite chances to be capped and the legal fraternity still doesn’t recognise it. NLUD students should I feel must try and intern in Bangalore or Mumbai for better chances. Agree or disagree guys?

It's humiliating how no official word from KCO or anyone there yet. Goes on to show how little transperancy exists in what is deemed as the benchmark for T1 work culture and ethics. Abhi Tak Trilegal ya any other firm would have been there toh we would have received official communication on the numbers. But it's been over a week of LI shaming and still new retainers are as confused as anybody. Shameless from the firm.

Let's put a number on it babe- Trinamool Congress received 1397 crore rupees through the electoral bond route. That's enough to pay any Tier 1 law firm for Saket Gokhale’s defence at the Delhi High Court - which, by the way, THEY DID and still f#%^ing lost! Fun fact about this Tier 1 firm which represented Saket at the High Court- a high-profile partner at its sister firm, J%A (though himself and other family members), then with 11 years work experience as an attorney, donated crores of rupees to the Trinamool Congress during the onset of COVID. A point in time when salaries were being cut and layoffs were rampant.