pay is decent but around 60-70k which is all you can expect in Chennai tbh and Im from Chennai not a blind hater.

You will not get a PPO, they only hire post a 6-month paralegal position upon graduation if you cannot intern during the year, Keep that in mind but it is a better work culture than most Tier 1's but the pay disparity makes it on par to other Tier 2's.

Sounds great and we will all be alive then. But there are so many X factors like climate change, China and Pak waging war, an anti-reformist govt possibly coming to power in India etc.

https://theprint.in/economy/india-will-be-biggest-economy-in-world-by-2050-followed-by-china-united-states-asle-toje-deputy-leader-nppc/2146106/?amp

Every experience I've had with them is so incredibly rude. I can't really wrap my head around this, the least unhelpful, rude and arrogant people you would ever talk to. I understand that they may not want to deal with a large volume of law students trying to get internships, but what about once you're in the system, why are they so rude even then? Not to mention a lot of them constantly turning a blind eye to a lot of problematic things that happens in the firm?

I haven't experienced this with law firms outside the country, and I'm not saying every single HR is terrible, but a lot of them fit the bill

This is 100 percent true in the industry. I have 5 years experience in IDT not a CA. I remember how excited i was to start my journey as a tax lawyer when i got placed in a tier 1 tax law firm but today after 5 years career already seems dead to me. My batchmate's are earning twice or even thrice than what i get whereas its not the case that i am working less in fact sometimes i feel i work more then they do. The future from this point totally seems dark and my savings are also too small to fulfill needs of my family which is totally depressing and thinking about it again and again I developed panic attacks over time. I am seeking help of mental health professional to come out of it and somehow restart my life. But If i would restart my journey i would consider tax as my last option. It’s good to exhaust all your options in other practice areas first if you don’t have any options left then go for it and do CA alongside.

Please help me out! Which partner should I try to intern under to maximise my chances of getting a callback/PPO? I have read on other threads that it's pretty difficult in Delhi and Gurgaon, but I don't have any other option. Is there any partner in Gurgaon who gives out more PPOs or hires more freshers?

What a fantastic reply! Very good advice.

I'd add some points to it (using numbering of 3, 4, 5... as this is adding points to the previous reply):

3) What does 'average guy' mean? Is that a reflection on your grades? Unless you have pretty good grades, you will face massive rejections. Also, in case you are looking at scholarships/financial aid as a factor, even if you get accepted onto an LLM programme itself, not having exceptional (as opposed to 'pretty good') grades might mean they are unwilling to give you financial aid.

4) Think about your motivation. Do you want to do this as a bridging point for academia, or in order to get a job overseas? If the latter, be warned, both in the UK and the U.S., it is very difficult. Do you want to specialize in a particular field? Why or why not?

5) Again returning to the 'average guy' comment, are you someone your professors wouldn't know from Adam, or somebody who actually stands out? Did you participate in class, do well (in some cases being at the top of your class, perhaps)? If the former, you'd have trouble getting references (recommendation letters), which are important for most LLM applications.

If you consider the above points, then actioning the advice in the previous reply should not be too difficult, and should resolve any remaining doubts you have.

Of course Trump didn't build a wall, but that's not because he didn't want to build a wall, it's because he couldn't build one! I have no clew where you're getting this stuff from, but believe me, there is a certain type of working class American (a very motivated voter) for whom having even one immigrant in the country who's not white is a problem.

I am at a relatively senior position in a T1 law firm. While I married someone outside this profession, the working hours of my partner are not definitely not better. In fact, mostly worse. But we supported each other during our initial years when he had absolutely no control over our time. It took a lot of effort, but we both feel it was all worth it. We still work long hours but have much better time management and can take out time for each other.

In my experience, more than any other factor, it is the willingness to work things out. Your profession can only limit you so much.

Does the Excitement of Being in a Good Industry Compensate for the Lack of Engagement in the Actual Work?

I'm curious about people's experiences and opinions on this topic. In scenarios where the industry itself is highly reputable and exciting, but the specific role is more clerical or mundane, do you think the overall excitement of the industry can make up for the lack of engagement in the daily tasks? Have you found fulfillment in being part of a dynamic industry even if the day-to-day work isn't particularly stimulating? Please share your thoughts and experiences!

your post is both depressing and inspiring! ," no girlfriend, no family,...", "you are walking slow...", and "working under ppl junior to you...", such sentences can be a trigger for some people. I wish you get too successful and post your success story here. All the best.

pros: lots of autonomy, big name clients, diverse work experience meaning you will get to handle big ticket items with little to no oversight
cons: bad hours, work volume and t-2 pay, very slow growth marred by red-tapism, tiny team and its associated pitfalls headed by a volatile head who's still learning the ropes of management

you seem to have very dated information on KCo. majority of the mid senior team has been lost to foreign firms. too many fund partners creating block for any new partners to be inducted or promoted. a new counsel position has been created between the principal and partner just for that to prolong the partnership, as enough work is also not flowing to justify the already high partner number.

My suggestion to you would be to stick with Engineering atleast for undergrad. Law firms and all are great options but it's incredibly difficult to get in. Post your engineering, work for a year or two and then if you don't like it in tech, save money from your job and apply for the NLS 3 year LLB program.

Who makes more and has scope for growth in Mumbai ?

I find criminal law interesting but I'm not sure how would I get criminal cases. For civil I can get cases as there are lot of contacts with civil matters, but I don't know any in my network who has ever needed a criminal lawyer. Help please

Look Tejesh is a good humble guy but is a real shrewd business mind. He has built a great balanced and large team with mixed flavours of funds, regulatory and asset management with a strong FRP practice too. Tops all global ranking charts, government committee positions and markets everything ruthlessly. Has managed to avoid any dent in his senior team and has only accumulated more and more resources and large value clients over past decade. Has taken full benefit from weakening of Nishith, Ashwath’s diversion to m&A and Siddharth Shah taking up more leadership role and less execution role. Must tell you that he is no more a one man army which he used to be and has made things heavily institutionalised before other firms even realised. So, good for ICUL as they have got the right person officially on top now and may be will build other practice areas too the same way.

Is NLUO now officially the best T2 NLU? Hnlu used to lead the pack in terms of gross T1 firm placements and corp culture in the T2 Pack. However, NLUO has shown amazing figures for 2 years straight in terms of placement numbers let alone extracurricular achievements. Is HNU on a decline?

Not a single mid senior or senior has left ICUL Funds team in past couple of years, a feat in itself. Not even one Principal/Partner who has left in ages..Best paymaster, zero politics with high end work and hence nil attrition at senior level doesn't come as a surprise. Their Funds team has become a giant monopoly so if one gets to join them, good for them.

Are you living on a different planet? Just the three new criminal laws to come into effect from next week will need 33,000 forensic science experts in the ecosystem. Even NFSU's current output will not meet that number.

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/mysuru/india-will-need-90000-forensic-scientists-in-9-years-amit-shah/articleshow/97408206.cms

Now working for congress*
Cmon they would be anti congress but in the age of social media its easy to find bias of people.

Ofcourse he is anti Bjp and pro Opposition. He is godi media for right wing as Arnab is for left wing.

Depends on you political leaning who is neutral or independent Jhournalist...

I just want to say media from start was influenced by politics. Now its on your political bias whos Pro india or anti india...

NLSIU was initiated by NR Madhava Menon and it comes into limelight when Karnataka Government passed an Act in 1987 to take up NLSIU Bangalore. BCI has no role in this. What BCI does is given affiliation to Five Year Integrated LLB in India. NLSIU was the first Institution to offer the same. BCI being the apex body given affiliation to that. That's the only thing BCI done over here and they did not have any connection in regard to set up NLSIU

Regarding IIULER, it's just a Private University who did not meet any standards in legal education! They even did not have good physical library facilities. Moreover, not even single remote Database access is provided by IIULER after paying these much lakhs!

It's a false claim. NLSIU was initiated by Prof. (Dr.) N R Madhava Menon and in 1986 it was established. In 1987, it started working after Karnataka Government takes up NLSIU through the Karnataka Act of 1987.

The claim by BCI that NLSIU was started by them is completely wrong! NLSIU was the first Institution which brings Five-Year Integrated LLB in India and BCI gave approval for the same!

That's the only thing done by BCI and it's their "Function" as the regulator for LLB Course in India

Yes very poor quality educational standards. You are not having a good Library. You are not having any Remote Database access. Moreover, only 5 databases are subscribed including Manupatra, SCC Online and Lexis Nexis. Is this the way, the so-called International University works after making exorbitant fees from the candidates?

You will not get ID Cards. You will not have regular classes. For PhD, the coursework is not completed even after stepping into the eighth month! Not even a single hour was taken as class for PhD scholars in the last 100 days!

In continuation of this excellent comment. The lack of visibility of persons with disabilities in law firms often leads to their exclusion in hiring processes. Recently, there have been reports that Corporate India is increasingly embracing neurodiversity in the workplace by hiring individuals with autism, dyslexia, and ADHD. However, these are just a few forms of disability. Both students and faculty must understand disability in all its forms and create inclusive spaces.

Creating general awareness about disability is crucial. It is equally important to learn about reasonable accommodation and address the gaps in understanding within India. Unfortunately, there is a prevalent expectation that individuals should openly display their disabilities and be pitied. While reasonable accommodation can be requested in various forms, Indian law stipulates that a person must have at least a 40% disability to qualify for any accommodation. Although the Supreme Court has ruled that any level of disability should be eligible for reasonable accommodation, there are still significant challenges. For example, there have been reports of candidates with disabilities being made to crawl during the UPSC examination at some centers.

Given these challenges, it is not unreasonable to reach out to law firms with complete information about one's disability and see how they respond. I hope that faculty members and alumni can extend their support in this regard. Please try to aim at learning the skills at any level of law firm employment you receive and then perhaps branch out. Good luck!

Yes of course, most of the PhD Candidates at IIULER are only to showcase their status - They are just "favoured" candidates who are having high-profile in the society due to their work and academic experience

No one cares about the PhD Coursework, classes taken and the standard of education

As a BScLLB student at WBNUJS, I'd say that it's definitely a choice as good as NLIU's or GNLU's BALLB.

The subjects of law that will be taught would be the same, along with the electives pertaining to law offered down the line. The only difference would be in the BA and BSc part. It could be argued that the science subjects are more scoring than the BA ones.

The BSc degree we're getting is in Forensic Science and Criminology. Kolkata is the hub of Forensic Science in India given its rich history, and the current WBNUJS VC is the president of the ISC (Indian Society of Criminology), so the scope for this degree seems bright.

This course is UGC approved and the RPC (Recruitment and Placement Committee) for both this course as well as BALLB are gonna be the same. The faculty for the Law subjects is also the same.

So placements after 5 years would totally be dependent on your performance i.e. positional batch ranking, co-curriculars, etc. The WBNUJS would definitely help you though.

Although having science stream in class 12th has been made mandatory by the Consortium to get admission into this course, people who aren't from science stream and still filled up this option in their preferences as well as secured it in counselling are indeed being admitted by the university.

The university or the UGC doesn't have a hard and fast rule on the eligibility criteria of admission into a BSc in Forensic Science and Criminology course, only the Consortium makes the science stream compulsory.

That's why for the first batch which was admitted last year, there was no such eligibility criteria as the admissions took place outside the Consortium's counselling.

The vacancies that'd be eventually released for this course this year would also most likely not make the science stream compulsory either, as they also happen at the university level only.

The science subjects being taught are also easily understandable for Humanities/Commerce students as well. In the first batch, out of the 64 students at least 20 were from either Humanities or Commerce (including me). They performed as well as the Science ones.

IIULER is a very poor University. It's not run by BCI

They are deceiving everyone. IIULER is owned by BCI Trust - PEARL FIRST which is an independent body. It is not a part or BCI as per the official notification of BCI in 2022 (Refer IIULER Requirements 2022 in the BCI website) - You will get all the evidences

Moreover, they did not have atleast a single remote Database access after paying more than 12L (including residential fees) per annum for LLB and kore than 10L (including residential fees) for LLM per annum

Atleast most of the NLUs are having remote access facilities! The so-called international IIULER does not even have remote access, subscribed databases (only 5) and ID Cards for the students!

They even did not conduct coursework to the PhD scholars properly! (In 100 days, they even did not conduct a single hour as class! - March 18, 2024 till date)

Yes, all NLUs are State Universities established through the particular stage legislative passed by their own State Assemblies. Regarding IIULER, even the VC, Faculties and Staff claims it as a Public University (Refer old videos available in YouTube and in their old website) - Only in the month of May 2024, in their new brochure, only one word as "Private" is indicated in between

In the Brochure of 2022 and 2023, it was not mentioned. Moreover, in the IIULER website, they did not mention anywhere it as a Private University established under Section 2(f) of UGC Act.

If you make calls to the University, they will state it as a Public University. If you Mail them regarding this, they will not make a single response including VC, Faculties and Office Staffs

IIULER does not provide you any facilities! Atleast, not even a single Subscribed Database can be accessed remotely!

There is no remote access, No ID Card for Students (PhD Scholars). Moreover, there is only 5 Subscribed Database which includes comparatively cheaper resources like Manupatra, Lexis Nexis and SCC Online

Bacche, don't get dazzled by a 5 star hotel and free booze. At any rate, the food in 5 stars is almost always average, other than selective restaurants in some 5 stars.

Very soon, you will realise that even a "middle class person" prefers decent employers who are considerate, and not those who spend the money on you in exchange for your life and freedom.

Yes he has become the MP now. But for some reasons the brand value of ICUL ain’t that great in the market. Trilegal pays the best but too toxic to sustain. Resolut - haven’t heard great things either. SAM - team still being built and they do more of corporate and less of funds. CAM - Dedicated funds team but not great work or clientele anymore post shagoofa’s departure. KCO - as of now the best option that one can have. Decent team and good reputation. NDA - lean team best work culture but might not see yourself do a lot there. JSA - don’t think so they have a dedicated practice. ELP - too active on LI and trying to build a practice but again yet to get the type of clients one would envy.

This is one practice are

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/centre-to-stop-campus-hiring-by-psus-banks-4613739/

Read law dude. Campus Placements are illegal for PSU's

Hey,

I am a new joinee at a law firm. The firm is not tier 1 but is good enough by comparison. I am trying to do better, but then there are silly mistakes happening, here and there, any tips?

Is this normal, I am scared that I will be let go before my induction period is over. I am trying to improve, I have told this to my immediate senior as well.

please dont get your opinions from john oliver of all people. case in point: Did trump actually build a wall? BBC says during his term he built all of 15 miles of wall in addition to barriers that were already there. Did mexico pay for it? nah. Trump is a populist- he will do what all populist leaders do: say and do things that appeal to most people in the country. Preferring educated high skilled immigrants to importing a new slave caste plays very well with working class americans from all backgrounds.

Yeah. Your parents had more fun. There was still academic pressure and competition because a lot of them had to work their way out of abject poverty and they had to do so when standards were pretty high. But young people seriously underestimate how bad social media and pornography are for young girls and boys. There are plenty of studies to show this. Couple that with polarisation in politics and the culture the way it is with this much self diagnosis of mental illnesses and fetishizing of therapy- young people are actually less free and more anxious than they have been. Jonathan Haidt and Abigail Shrier are the people to read on this stuff. Look your career will settle or take off eventually, you only get a little time to be a student- do something worthwhile with it. Cultivate your independence and allow yourself to think and speak and act freely, try and learn to learn. The rest will work out- its worked out for everyone before you and law schools dont really let their students fail- youll be okay.

I graduated law school 7 years ago. There was a guy during my time there who didnt have a phone,who didnt bother with social media, if you wanted to be friends with him you had to do it face to face and if you wanted to pick an argument- you had to do that face to face too. Hed check his email like twice a day and ignore all that spam. He was the only dude in the entire university to be that way,and honestly he was the most calm and together person then and he has a great career now. I wish I had had the wisdom to do things like him back then- but it might not be too late for you.