Sorry I must totally disagree with you because I was an RA for the Prof and it was my best internship experience. I have done an LLM from Cambridge and now am teaching in India. What you are saying is not correct. I will encourage anyone to apply because if you get the chance, it'll be a very good experience for you

This year Symbi Pune observed 42 tier 1 jobs, 2 vacation schemes (both TCs), 7 tier 2 jobs and 16 other prestigious in house placements to the tune of ICICI (Mumbai), ITC (Kolkata), Wipro (Bangalore), Bank of America (Mumbai) and HSBC Bank (Mumbai) which pay the typical 12 lpa figures. Barring the insurance company placements (11 offers rolled in total) which pay around 7-9 lpa, the placements this time have been unlike what the college has ever seen. As far as LLMs are concerned, 1 Oxford, 1 NYU, 1 NUS (Singapore) and 2 LSE have been confirmed until now with many more US applications in the piplelines. Before paralleling MNLU with SLSP, please think twice bro/sis.

I have worked at many mid-sized law firms like Vaish where there is a distinct absence of middle rung-ers (SAs-PAs) who are in the trenches with associates like you and help mentor the new joinees.

In such places, partners are your direct reports and they have been so desensitised to the attrition ▮▮▮

Usually that's how it is unless you are a Class-A suckup or extraordinarily bright (which you'd be self aware to know you're not considering you're asking for joining advice on an anonymous, public forum whose users thrive on controversy)

I'd suggest you play your cards well and think about a backup plan for your future.

No relationships are truly equal but the good ones are at least reciprocal. So try to gauge that during your interview and good luck!

I disagree with this newspeak. Therapists and psychologists treat mental illness and problems. It's not 'neurodiversity', it's psychological suffering - the mental equivalent of disease. If you want some neurological diversity, join a room of invertebrates.

If you have poor mental health due to genetic or lifestyle causes, therapists help manage symptoms, develop coping mechanisms and live a functional life. They don't treat 'diversity' any more than nurses and doctors and surgeons treat 'diversity'.

You are not a special rare unique beautiful snowflake just because your mind doesn't function normally, any more than a person with a pacemaker is. You have a condition, it needs treatment, that's all there is to it. Hopefully it isn't a chronic condition and you go back to normal soon, but if not, we pray for your improvement.

Hi, so I am a full time advocate practising at Trial Courts in Sagar, MP. Coming from Non - NLU , I di not have exposure , internet facility and peers who used to do internships under sr adv or justices. Recently I signed up for facebook and made good friends and got sone information.

I wish to set up myself at Delhi High Court or Supreme Court.

What should be preferred path to do that amongs one of these:-

1) to join designated sr adv immediately- I have HEARD that chambers of designated sr adv have only research and briefing work and in every matter major work is already done by Law Firm People

2) To join non - designated sr adv immediately - Is this choice more wise because chambers of non designated sr adv have more learning opportunities

3) to work in law firm for a while and switch later - for the same reason as written in point (1)

Kindly guide and share insights. Thank you

Y V Chandracute.

You already charge people for it in the form of taxes, cesses, duties, tolls, and so on. Nothing is free. Medical care, public infrastructure, law and order - they all cost money, and this money is not created out of think air. Just because the cost is not easily visible does not mean it is absent. In the usual modern system, everyone who earns or spends money in a nation's economy pays for its public expenditure.

I would like to add on to the differences between pcsj and JAG.

The judicial officers are not allowed to maintain contact with the outside world(outside of family) during their entire career as it might influence their verdicts. The rules are even more stringent if you a judge of a special court handling sensitive matters. This wouldn't have mattered 3 decades back when there was no scope for any social outing/clubbing etc. However,in today's highly sociable world, this is a matter of concern.

On the other hand, no such restrictions exist for the JAG officers. They are free to maintain contact with anyone in the outside world(except foreigners).

Making it as easy as possible

Accdemically: Horrible

Practically: Amazing, might even beat tier one NLUs.

So if you are someone who needs academic pressure to excle and study or wish to do an LLM or go abroad, GLC might not be the best option. Extremly hard to get marks due to shitty syllabus and MU checking.

For placements: It is unbeatable. The sheer freedom to crave your own career path and not rely on the placement cell is unbeatable. Many intern from the first year and land tier one jobs in their 4th year itself. The placement cell in itself is amazing, regular tier one internships, annual placement drive has all tier one firms.

Conclusion: It really is an independent college. Your success or downfall is completely in your hands. Hence it can either be extremly good, or downright useless.

25 crores + mortgage free house/apartment if you are a family of four and you have another 40 years to get to 80. This may seem like too much but inflation will kill the value of your savings over 40 years (and getting above inflation returns on an after-tax basis over decades is pretty difficult). As an example, a property worth 1 crore 40 years ago is worth about 100 crores+ these days, so (rough calcs) 25 crores today will be equal to about 25 lakhs (in today’s purchasing power) 40 years from now. Best of luck and a speedy retirement to you!

Basically saying that the stats given by a user are incorrect, as only around 28-30k people take GMAT in India. It is not 7 lakhs as asserted by the previous user. Also saying that GMAT is not ‘competitive’ like DJS because DJS has limited vacancies each notification and ranks matter to make it, whereas in GMAT, there is no such concept of ‘vacancies’, no need to outrank others in GMAT, GMAT only gives a score for using for application to a university.

With so much time at your hand you definitely don't look like the foreign return NLS grad that you are claiming to be. Your analysis seems like any other NLUD guy backhandedly trying to justify the rankings. How can an intelligent guy such as yourself (caliming to be) spend so much time on a ranking that except the NLU D students everyone considers a sham. When year after year colleges have been submitting fake and inflated data? This is sad.

"Continues to soar ahead of Nalsar"...you are just highlighting what everyone on LI already knows. NLU D trolls just using these rankings to justify how they are ahead of Nalsar. When in reality even Symbi was ahead Nalsar last year. Both are prime examples of idiocity of these rankings.

OP (and likes of OP) can I ask you again why are you excited about NIRF? Are you an NLU D or Savitrabai Phule student who finds false solace in the rankings? I mean last year Symbi and NLU D were rated ahead of Nalsar and Kharagpur ahead of GNLU. The aberrations are too many to point out. Any one with an iota of IQ will not quote Nirf law rankings anywhere.

Not at all.

If you feel that your skillset is not much appreciated and the workplace is getting toxic for you to sustain, then it is better you look for a change. I switched from my first job within 5 month and joined much better company wherein I worked for 1 year and again switched. If you have confidence over your skillset, then don't think twice. Also, you will get a decent hike.

After spending nearly 3 decades as: In House Counsel, in a Law Firm, as a Litigating advocate... my reminiscences for the current students and freshers is:

- Any place can be toxic, it all depends on the people. Sure, some law forms are known toxic. But so are some Corporates too- ICICI, GE, etc., were slave masters and work-life balance was unheard of.

- It's a tough call at your age to balance work and Life. I have cursed (looks like nothing has happened to the opposite party though !!!) a million times, when sales folks send something on a friday night (or worse on saturday/sunday) and expect that you respond immediately.

- I know lots of people, who continue to get brow beaten in In-house/Law firms, as the pay cheque is important. We should respect their decision and let them choose when and how to lead their lives.

- Litigation is exhilarating only if the month end bills are not a bother, but the challenges in lit are not to be taken lightly. Clients are notoriously tough when it come to paying fees, the less said about the court system- the better. Counsels sometimes have to wait for a whole day as the list may not move at all owing to some big matter taking up the whole day. Imagine doing nothing for a whole day, when you have to be ready to argue at a few minutes notice.

So all in all, no place is kind or welcoming... it all depends on what you bring to the table. You will need to make choices- and at times the results can be disappointing, but that is life.

All the best folks.

From Oldie.

Nirf and it's scammy perception score. Didn't symbiosis get a 100 last year in its perception score, why is it down to 65 all of sudden? Also as much flak as NUJS gets its perception score of 50 makes zero sense, the score was 62 in 2022 and 73 in 2021 which was higher than NALSAR and on par NLUD. The place seems to be doing well in all criterias yet it's perception scores keeps falling.

ADJ basic is 1,44,840 while commissioner have 1,44,200 means ADJ still have Rs.640 more than Commi. forget to compare with SG/STS grade & he is saying D&SJ have roughly same salary as Divisional Commissioner 🤣. First of all D&SJ is just a post & salary paid to cadre not to post so any JO's in DJ (either in entry grade or Selection grade or STS) cadre can be appointed. So Also the judicial head of district if from STS garde would have Rs. 17K higher salary than Additional Secretary to Govt. of India (Pr. Secretary of State).

Also the executive head of districts i.e., The DM get far lesser salary than DJ cadre even not near to his counterpart Judicial grade i.e., CJM. They just have Rs.900 higher than fresher or newly appointed Civil Judge.

One can be ADJ min. within 11yr of service (in bigger states) & 13 to 14 yr ( smaller states) equiavlent to Joint Secretary to GoI.

Exhibit 1 (1981), on the subject of controversial judicial transfers

"Congress (I) statwarts stoutly defend the move. Says Lalit Bhasin, a pro-Congress(I) Supreme Court lawyer: "I support these transfers."

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/special-report/story/19810215-transfer-of-judges-snowballs-into-a-major-controversy-772649-2013-11-27

Exhibit 2 (1984):

AICC-(I) legal cell convenor Lalit Bhasin issued a statement demanding constitutional amendments for making "the Opposition more responsible."

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/indiascope/story/19840531-congressi-initiates-national-debate-on-presidential-form-of-government-803645-1984-05-30

Exhibit 3 (1986):

"Another lobbyist, sought after by the large hotel chains as well as by the Tatas, is the politically active lawyer Lalit Bhasin, who is well-connected with the bigwigs of the ruling party."

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/cover-story/story/19860915-lobbyists-the-growing-tribe-of-hidden-persuaders-who-prowl-the-parlours-of-power-801243-1986-09-14

Exhibit 4 (1986):

I was shocked to find a reference in your article to the effect that I am a lobbyist for certain hotel chains and the Tatas. ("The Hidden Persuaders", September 15). I find such description of a professional person as highly derogatory and defamatory. My association with the hotel industry has dated back to 1968 and I have since then specialised in the laws pertaining to the, hotel and restaurant industry. I have been legal adviser to the Oberoi group of hotels and the Taj group of hotels. I have also been advising the Federation of Hotels and Restaurant Association of India. I have never tried to procure any favours from the Government for any of my clients including the hotel chains. Insofar as your reference to Tatas is concerned, I have no connection with them except that I am the legal adviser of the Indian Hotels Company (Taj group of hotels) which is one of the Tata companies.

Fair play demands that before any comments are made which may tend to give a poor impression about a person against whom the comments are made, the person concerned should be asked to give his side of the story.

It is an admitted and well-known position that I am an active Congress worker and I am proud of that. I believe that every intellectual should have political leanings and affiliations so that the right person should enter politics. However, my connections with the ruling party would not justify the remark that I am a lobbyist.
New DelhiLalit Bhasin
Our reference to Lalit Bhasin as a "lobbyist" who is politically active and "sought after" by the major hotel chains including the Tatas, was in no way intended to be a slur on him, his integrity or reputation. There is little doubt about the high professional regard in which he is held. We did not in any way attempt to condemn his political activism.
- Editor

https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/letters/story/19861031-hats-off-to-pt-usha-the-countrys-track-star-for-snatching-away-four-gold-medals-801368-1986-10-30

I am PA at a T1.

When I find the work not interesting, it takes me hours and days to finish it. This is something which my Boss has also identified.

It takes me a lot of effort to provide detailed instructions to juniors - and I get extremely irritated (though I do not express it) when the junior has not understood it. In my mind i believe that I have explained enough and provided clear instructions, and I expect the junior to apply his mind and understand what I have not said. This happens with clients too. I get extremely irritated if I have to repeat something.

At home, i like to live alone, and get irritated if someone moves my things slightly.

I don't mind things which other people find offensive, but get irritated by things which are ok for others like a hug by a friend, etc.

It takes a great deal of effort to review a document if it is not formatted according to my style even if follows a proper formatting.

After reading a few posts on LI and watching a few movies / series, i genuinely feel something to be off with me.

Please guide how should I go about it. Pl be as detailed as possible in your instructions. Thanks.

Well, I have studied from the college and interacted with many NLU's student during my coaching days in Rahul's and in work place. First of all, the students who take admission in DU are already an undergraduate, so choosing NLU is not an option. Also, I personally believe that NLU students are way more practical and mature when it comes to job opportunities. In DU, either you go judiciary/UPSC or litigation, I don't think anyone is aware of law firm tier culture . There was only 2 batch mates of mine who did internship with Shardul, majority of students in DU thinks that Shardul is a south Indian firm doing documentation. Also, the fees is one factor that students opt for DU, other than that I do not think that the quality of students is going up. Whereas, mostly students who join NLU's have to pay their student loans, so I don't think that there is any choice left with them to choose profession of their choice and that is the only reason why there is dearth of NLU students joining service or litigation. In DU, half of the students are busy sniffing drugs and the other half in girls panty/underwear in case of girls.

(Advise to DU juniors- Please don't think that going to Rahul's will going to solve your problem, and don't wear the badge of DU to demoralize students of other universities).

Law firm lawyers quality is one of the best and most of them are from NLU's. All of this is based on experience and not knowledge.

(P.S.- DU 2016-19 Batch, took coaching from Rahul's in final year, sat for 3-4 mains, worked in disputes in lower courts, presently working in Reliance group (In-house) and going to join a tier-2 law firm..(Open to criticism/review/insights)

NLUD and its practice of submitting false data continues for another year. No shit they have the median placements of 19 lakhs. 30/59 students getting 19 lakhs, ie. Tier 1 placements?

If it wasn't for their blatant lying they would certainly be below NALSAR, even nujs for that matter. Nirf really needs to avoid taking in inflated placement reports.

"Hey i am the creator of the post"

dude you're comment sound to be rude with few flaws not at all thanks for your time well I discussed with 2 JAG officer's one is my classmate brother, another is faculty's son, they suggested for PCS-J. Also I met Ex-JAG practicing at DHC his suggestion i found his suggestion best and said you can appear for both. So, I decided for PCS-J but will also appear for JAG, rest about joining will decide later.

What surprised me was the score of NUJS in the research department, it had a better score than both NLUD and NALSAR.

If only it improved its perception score Because in other departments it's almost on par with the top 3.

The vagueness of the perception criteria is very damaging to the legitimacy of the nirf rankings and i hope we get some clear idea about how they determine it.

As someone in the comments mentioned how ignoring the perception parameter will bring NUJS to the 3rd spot.

Having interned at the office of a chief metropolitan magistrate in Delhi, I can vouch for the fact that their offices are not in a great condition( typical sarkari office and shabby to say the least). If this is the sorry state of affairs in DJS, I can't imagine the offices in other states like Haryana, UP etc.

Try reading between the lines. He / she is proud that he was hospitalized.

>Clearly, someone in their wisdom thought it was worthwhile to get me to go up and down and was worth the client’s money. Work spilled over. I am not superhuman – in fact, two trips to the hospital showed that.

What is with this obsession that law graduates are supposed to go only for law firm jobs? This is the main reason why people like you judge a law University based on corporate placements alone which is a very rigid approach. There are people out who want to pursue Litigation, appear for competitive exams , pursue judicial clerkships, entrepreneurship, academia etc etc. The list goes on. If a top NLU is able to have a diverse graduate group there's appreciation, but if TNNLU attempts to have it, invitation for judgement on bad corporate placements.

Maybe the rankings are flawed, but only beyond the top three. The top three is absolutely accurate, i.e. NLSIU>NLUD>NALSAR. In the end, this is what matters. Like the Olympics, only Gold, Silver and Bronze matters. No one cares if the #8 participant was actually #6 due to a totalling error.

It's now officially confirmed for the umpteenth time that NLSIU, NLUD and NALSAR are the Big 3 NLUs. That NUJS is not Big 3. At best it is #1 among the tier 2 colleges. Even then NUJS people will not admit defeat, harking back to old VCs like Menon, Chimni and MP Singh, and pointing to law firm placements. When will these people understand that:

- History doesn't matter.

- Law firm placements are only one of many aspects of NIRF. Faculty research and teaching (both of which depend on faculty quality) also matters.

- Perception also matters and the university has undoubtedly dipped in perception since the TMC came to power and the governing bodies are riddled with mediocre TMC people. The Left front appointed very eminent people from all over India in the governing bodies. Such people are absent from the governing bodies today.

I agree with most of your points and observations but a closer look at the various indices for each factor of ranking would show how a college could increase its score in the NIRF with the right kind of data output. For instance, student strength, in absolute numbers that too, is one of the factors for a higher TLR score which may benefit some universities that have a large student intake like SLS-P, and in the near future, NLSIU.

Even in the criteria of Outreach and Inclusivity, one factor for calculation is the number of students from outside the state in which the university is located. A place like NLIU Bhopal has just 25 All-India merit seats out of 130+ seats with large reservations for MP domicile ST/SC, and OBC/EWS. They even have some 20-odd NRI seats but their general category non-domicile intake is abysmally low. Combine that with an administration that is not even proactive despite NLIU's large alumni base and achievements, and it's not surprising to see it ranked low. Even in CLAT preferences, it was at one point on par with NUJS for many aspirants and now it's fallen behind GNLU. If MNLU Mumbai were any good, NLIU would fall below that as well, it appears.

Also, while the perception score is definitely iffy and always has been (last year SLS had 100 perception score while NLS didn't), it does have the least weightage in the overall scoring. That's probably why NUJS wasn't hit much by it. Not that anyone in their right mind will perceive SLS or Christ as better over NUJS.

Also, a college staying out of NIRF is not helping it. I expected this from JGLS since a poor NIRF rank can easily demolish its claims as being equal to the tier-1 public law schools based on that QS ranking, but places like MNLU Mumbai, HNLU and now NLUJ should ideally always participate in a government ranking. Prospective students deserve the transparency. Even with NLUD, there are rightful concerns regarding its salary calculation even though placement numbers have been getting better. But atleast revealing that to the public will ensure there may be change in the future due to criticism/feedback. Places like HNLU which are nearly 20 years old and have had multiple batches graduate have no reason to stay out of such rankings beyond a fear of embarrassment if they are ranked low.

Nothing to praise about the course. Same holds for most Indian LLMs. Neglected in favor of the undergrad programme, very little quality control in terms of the graduate quality or research output.

Same faculty will teach, some more senior.

No placement option unless you intern on your own and get a job.

Facility wise you get the same things as LLB students do, other than that you will be marginalised from most student activities which are run by LLB students.

Nothing to discuss. That's indian law firm life for you. If the firm believes that she wanted to put in less work (her choice) than the firm wants her to, then the firm will not take her unless the firm has no other option. At least they mentioned it upfront instead of putting up a rosy picture now and then demolishing it once she joins. We haven't read her email and you deliberately quoted only the firm's response, so we can't figure out how it would have appeared to the firm.

I see so many of my batchmates intern in tier 1-2 firms and I feel like I’m behind all of them because I want to do litigation. I got a good job offer in litigation, somehow I have a nagging feeling about not doing tier 1/2 internships because I feel like I would not be equally successful.

Several law students from NUJS are associated with NGOs in different field that they have started while in law school. But the youngest one whom I know has graduated in this year, so doesn't fit your bill I think. It's a good initiative that you're taking though, appreciate it.

Nobody is claiming the seniors don't work. They also get paid more. The point here is that the amount of money that the firm charges for juniors' work and the part of it that juniors actually get paid are disproportionate. And to people who think that freshers get paid a lot by law firms, it is not so high if you consider the number of hours that they have to put in. I disagree with your point about overhead costs, that alone doesn't account for the huge margin.

Hightime We Disregard NIRF Rankings? (IT IS USELESS)

The 2023 rankings are as follows:

1. National Law School of India University - Bengaluru, Karnataka

2. National Law University - New Delhi, Delhi

3. Nalsar University of Law - Hyderabad, Telangana

4. The West Bengal National University of Juridical Sciences - Kolkata, West Bengal

5. Jamia Millia Islamia, New Delhi - New Delhi, Delhi

6. Symbiosis Law School - Pune, Maharashtra

7. Gujarat National Law University - Gandhinagar, Gujarat

8. Siksha O Anusandhan - Bhubaneswar, Odisha

9. Indian Institute of Technology Kharagpur - Kharagpur, West Bengal

10. Babasheb Bhimrao Ambedkar University - Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh

11. Saveetha Institute of Medical and Technical Sciences - Chennai, Tamil Nadu

12. Kalinga Institute of Industrial Technology - Bhubaneswar, Odisha

13. Christ University - Bengaluru, Karnataka

14. Aligarh Muslim University - Aligarh, Uttar Pradesh

15. Shanmugha Arts Science Technology & Research Academy - Thanjavur, Tamil Nadu

16. Lovely Professional University - Phagwara, Punjab

17. Indian Law Institute - New Delhi, Delhi

18. National Law Institute University - Bhopal, Madhya Pradesh

19. Guru Gobind Singh Indraprastha University - New Delhi, Delhi

20. The Rajiv Gandhi National University of Law - Patiala, Punjab

21. Dr. Ram Manohar Lohiya National Law University - Lucknow, Uttar Pradesh

22. Banaras Hindu University - Varanasi, Uttar Pradesh

23. Amity University Haryana - Gurugram, Haryana

24. National University of Study & Research in Law - Ranchi, Jharkhand

25. Alliance University - Bengaluru, Karnataka

26. Army Institute of Law, Sector-68 - Mohali, Punjab

27. Nirma University - Ahmedabad, Gujarat

28. National Law University and Judicial Academy - Kamrup, Assam

29. Manipal University Jaipur - Jaipur, Rajasthan

30. National Law University - Cuttack, Odisha

I can wrap my head around the frivolous contentions one might have with the ranking like NLUD>NALSAR/ Symbiosis>GNLU/ RGNUL>RMLNLU but this is RIDICULOUS. On further inspection, I came to realise that it's not as rigged as one might think.

The parameters:

1. Teaching, Learning & Resources (TLR):

- Student Strength including Doctoral Students (SS): Represents the total number of students enrolled in the institution, including doctoral students. It is calculated based on factors such as undergraduate (UG) and postgraduate (PG) student numbers.

- Faculty-student ratio with emphasis on permanent faculty (FSR): This ratio indicates the number of students per faculty member in the institution, with a focus on permanent faculty members.

- Combined metric for Faculty with Ph.D. (or equivalent) and Experience (FQE): This represents the combined score for faculty members who possess a Ph.D. degree or its equivalent and have relevant experience.

- Financial Resources and their Utilisation (FRU): Reflects the financial resources available to the institution and how effectively they are utilized.

2. Research and Professional Practice (RP):

- Combined metric for Publications (PU): Measures the number of research publications from the institution.

- Combined metric for Quality of Publications (QP): Evaluates the quality of the research publications, considering factors such as citations and impact.

- Footprint of Projects and Professional Practice (FPPP): Indicates the involvement of the institution in projects and professional practice.

3. Graduation Outcomes (GO):

- Combined metric for Placement and Higher Studies (GPH): Reflects the percentage of students placed in jobs or pursuing higher studies after graduation.

- Metric for University Examinations (GUE): Evaluates the performance of students in university examinations.

- Median Salary (GMS): Represents the median salary earned by graduates from the institution.

- Metric for Number of Ph.D. Students Graduated (GPHD): Measures the number of Ph.D. students successfully completing their degrees.

4. Outreach and Inclusivity (OI):

- Percentage of Students from Other States/Countries (Region Diversity RD): Represents the percentage of students enrolled from other states within the country or other countries.

- Percentage of Women (Women Diversity WD): Indicates the percentage of female students enrolled in the institution.

- Economically and Socially Challenged Students (ESCS): Evaluates the representation and support provided to economically and socially challenged students.

- Facilities for Physically Challenged Students (PCS): Reflects the availability of facilities and support for students with physical disabilities.

5. Perception (PR):

- Peer Perception: Employers & Academic Peers (PR): Represents the perception of the institution among employers and academic peers.

At first glance, you might not be able to discern the premeditated fallacies behind these rankings.

The truth lies in the calculations of these parameters, for example, SS would take into account the number of students enrolled under the Ph.D. course which would inherently put institutes that don't enroll higher Ph.D. candidates at a disadvantage as per the devised formula.

If we take a look at the weightage of FSR & FQE, we would find that it rewards more for the quantity of the faculty members rather than the quality of them. You can take FSR (30 marks) simply as a student-faculty ratio, while the FQE only takes into account those faculties that are Ph.D. + accounts for the experience they have. Some universities scored full on FSR but struggled to fetch even 10 marks in FQE.

ESCS which evaluates the representation and support provided to economically and socially challenged students is calculated on the basis of the percentage of UG students being provided FULL tuition fee reimbursement by the institution to pursue their degree programs. I mean- there are programmes in many NLUs/private unis where they award percentage scholarships for meritorious students coming from SC/ST category but this doesn't take it into account until and unless it is fully covered, I don't get why.

Coming to the PR (Peer Perception) scores, they are by far the most rigged aspect of the ranking. NUJS scored a humble 50.8, while Christ University and Indian law institute astonishingly scored 61.15 and 74.17 respectively. Apart from the Top 3, none of the universities managed to get close to Rizzed perception of these two institutes.

To sum it up, this is a pretty useless ranking with no real-world application, going by the metrics alone I wouldn't be surprised if an unknown university manages to beat NLS if it really wants to. And the most significant things that a student realistically looks upon are placements and scope for higher education which doesn't seem to be a priority here since it constitutes just 16.25% of all the parameters.

Note: All the statistics are verified from the official website itself and if someone wants to look into the formulas then he/she shall go to: https://www.nirfindia.org/nirfpdfcdn/2022/framework/Law.pdf

A good article I read on this issue last year by GS Bajpai: Rankings that make no sense - The Hindu

Since when did we stop using figures of speech?

The idea posed by the OP was that MNLU-N is on a downward trajectory and he/she also reasoned his/her assertions. I think everyone got what he/she meant and it wasn't necessarily untrue.

There have been many administrative issues resulting in a situation where an NLU sank. Take NLIU for instance which is the 2nd NLU to be established after NLS, when the director resigned after a week of student protests, and the registrar was suspended for selling fake degrees in the same term. If that episode did not happen, one could argue that it would've not been where it is currently placed.

You may also take the example of HNLU, whose perception sank after the perennial hard-handedness of the administration came to light in 2018.

So, an NLU isn't as sink-proof as his highness might think.

PS: use the tags judiciously.

There was a detailed comment wrt the comparison between Judge Advocate General Branch & the State Public Services Commission exam. However, I found it to be factually incorrect and decided to pen down a full fledged comparison:

1. Exam:

JAG-There is no written exam for entry into the JAG branch of Army and Navy(no direct recruitment in IAF, offrs absored from the regular cadre). Vacancies are mostly in single digit(6-7 in Army & 2-3 in Navy) .All law graduates attaining a stipulated %age during their graduation can appear for the rigorous Services Selection Board(SSB) which is a five day interview process.

PCSJ-On the other hand, there is a state judicial services exam conducted by the respective state judicial services commn. In some states, the HC also conducts the recruitment process.

2. Certainity of the exam

Since the entry into the JAG is conducted by the SSB under the purview of the UPSC, there is a certainity (Notifications come out every year) of the recruitment taking place every year. No undue delay in notification/release of. result etc

The PCSJ exam is highly certain and notification based, for instance the UPPCSJ took place after a gap of five years which adds to the anxiety of the candidates and is highly unfair to say the least. Coming to the results, there is no calender which is followed. Everything takes its own sweet time. There are lots of instances of favouritism in these state level exams. Thus, the candidate is forced to appear for multiple state judiciary exams.

3. Perception of the exam

Recruitment into the Armed Forces(Army, Navy, IAF) is controlled by the UPSC which reflects that the entire process of recruitment is fair and transparent, like all other UPSC exams.

Since the State PSCs are regularly marred by complaints of irregularity, favouritism and corruption, this generally gives an impression that it is a typical state level exam.

4. Perception of the service:

The State PCSJ appointed cannot be compared with the Armed forces or the Civil Servants recruited by the UPSC. At best, they can be compared to any officer selected through the state administrative services, state police services etc.

5. Pay and allowances

The pay and allowances of the Armed Forces are the highest amongst any govt service in the country, even higher than the All India Services(IAS,IPS, IFS). It is noteworthy to note that the only defences officers are paid pension unlike other services like Judiciary which have reverted to the New Pension Scheme. (https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/defence-personnel-get-higher-pay-than-civilian-counterparts/articleshow/49886547.cms).

I haven't come to the allowances part yet. The JAG offrs are paid higher than the regular offrs due to the Non Practising Allowance(NPA) which is added to their regular salary. On top of that, JAG offrs are provided fully furnished( accommodations to their place of posting(Unlike judicial offrs who are given a meagre allowance for furniture, tech etc once in 3-4 yrs). You don't have to spend a single penny on your accommodation after shifting to a new town. In field areas JAG offrs are entitled to keep 2 accommodations(in any city) They can also avail free flight tickets for themselves, spouse and children ( Certain stipulated number of tickets). Until recently, the offrs could easily travel via IAF jets while coming home on leave, the rule has now been changed which allows the offrs to travel on chartered Flights(Similar to regular flight, these flights are run by airlines specifically for Armed Forces without any charge, however family members cannot travel). Air India also provides 50 % concession to defence personnel and their families(Rebate in other airlines is a maximum of 25pc).

Unlike the judicial services. the children of the defence offrs can avail all benefits( treatment in Military Hospitals, access to CSD) until they are 25 years of age(21 in case of other govt services).

The JAG officers are provided accommodation in military cantonments which is generally the cleanest and greenest part of any town. However small the town, it will have all top notch facilities ranging from Golf Courses, Race Course, Clubs, Swimming Pools sports club, tax-free booze to theatres( PS- free of cost). On the contrary, a State judicial services offices is provided nothing more than an accommodation(that too in a crowded area in the middle of the town) if he is posted(mostly) in a Tier 3 city/ rural area.

6. Training and Posting

The initial training of JAG offrs takes place in Officers Training Academy, Chennai(Naval Academy, Kerala) for Navy JAg offrs) After commissioning the training is done in Indian Military Institute, Delhi, technically all big metropolitan cities. As far as posting is concerned, JAG offrs of the army are not posted to far flung and remote areas like the judicial offrs( Civil Judge Junior Division of Balasore or Jalgaon). They are mostly(90 pc of their service) posted in Command/Corps Headquarters( All capital cities or top 2-3 cities of a state). The posting scene is even better in the Navy where JAG offrs hardly get posted to any city other than Mumbai, Kochi, Vizag, Calcutta etc.

Another fact which needs to be taken in into consideration is that the transfer of judical offrs takes place only in a particular state(Eg Rajasthan), which further reduces the chances of staying in a big city. You will not get posted to Jaipur more than once or twice in your career.Since it is a state service, there is no concept of central deputation(Delhi posting).

JAG offrs travel through the length and breadth of the country on postings and also get an opportunity to get posted in Delhi.

7. Promotion:

A judicial offr would start off as a civil judge(Jr divsion) and can at most rise to an ADJ/DJ( Fag end of career). Someone commented that a civil judge could be promoted to DJ within 15 yrs, I doubt its veracity as a DJ is generally a person who is 55 + yrs of age. A jag offr starts off as a Lieutenant and could rise to the rank of a Major General(JAG of Indian Army). Again, someone commented that only a few rise to the rank of a Maj Gen. Agreed, but in the Armed forces even if you dont get promoted, your pay scale is equated to the higher ranks, unlike the judiciary where the pay scales are not equated. So an ADJ will continue to draw lesser salary than a DJ even if he has missed the promotion. On the contrary, a Colonel/Brigadier's pay is equated to a a major General/Lt Gen even if he doesn't make the cut.

Any psychologist/psychiatrist who can share their experience treating neurodivergent lawyers?

Existing neurodiversity threads on LI:

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/227652-neurodiverse-lawyers-together-strong

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/228125-t1-disputes-v-chamber-practice-which-is-better-for-neurodivergent-lawyers

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/186810-lawyers-with-adhd

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/175398-Anxiety-and-Law-Firms

post other relevant threads here.

@neurodivergent_lawyers: Post names of mental health professionals who helped you.

Such a waste of talent. He chose NLU over GLC. In this town, a mistake nearly everyone makes. NLU is the McMansion in Sarasota that starts falling apart after 10 years. GLC is the old stone building that stands for centuries. I cannot respect someone who doesn't see the difference.

Joined NLS in the 90s.

We were called for the final interviews (yes, we had those) according to our ranks in the entrance exam. Once that was done, we were sent to the hostel (MHOR and WHOR, IYKYK) to get our rooms allocated.

In other words, once upon a time, first year hostel rooms were allocated according to your rank in the qualifying exam. From the second year onwards, you could pick your roommates.

Among the ones that you mentioned only NLUO made it into the nirf rankings, and it too was placed at the 30th place.

I have been hearing good things about TMNLU as of late, so that place is improving. I can't really speak for the others. Most new NLUs are kinda bad and not worth it.