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Judiciary has a lot of/in-fact majority of candidates from tier-2 towns who couldnβt secure good placements and thus the examβs standard isnβt that good anyway.
There is a very beautiful response (and ofc others as well) by a graduate (current student my bad) from NALSAR. As you already know that till 20/20+ the first year is pretty much secure and normal as well. But donβt worry. There will be a couple of people who will be/who already were 21 when they entered law school. I can understand the anxiety. When I joined law school around a year back, I was 20. I had a βphewβ reaction because I wasnβt 21 yet- so I wouldnβt feel old. But honestly thatβs quite immature. I saw a bunch of 21 year olds doing well in law school from the first year. In fact one of them is a topper already. And it wonβt matter because anyway 50% of the graduates will be around the age limit of 23-25. You will be just a year older.
If you are doing well on your mocks - just focus on that and secure your career. No one will remember. Rather what will be remembered is if you get a single digit rank in clat. Right? Think like that. There are a lot of options (some uncertainties as well) in a tier-1 nlu. Donβt worry. And donβt feel old. You will be a year or a two older than the bunch. Itβs not like you are pre-historic or something!
2) Creating dockets and backup security options for the BRLMs to the issue; it involves bearing the grunt of understanding the issue process and underlying risks which may arise accring to default; owing to which you create security and backup options - involves a lot of back and forth (on calls) with IBs, most of which is too gibberish to understand as an AO. Thus, reading intricacies of ECM is very very very important.
3) Understanding CIBIL searches, Watchout Investor Searches and Requistion CList Formulations since the due diligence report will have an aspect of the same (discretionary as per the firm's call).
4) Creating key difference tables when master circulars pop in: this shall include the "old circular number, new circular number, previous position of precedent and new material changes, if any" in that order - this is kind of tricky since you have to know how to read one circular as against the other and figure out what has been changed in a MC which has a lotttt of circulars mentioned. You get one thing wrong and you fuck up the transaction and the nature of disclosures involved.
5) Comprehensive PPTs on investor decks, KPIs, risk analysis and business overview - mostly done by foreign counsels but being well versed with the same helps a lot during negotiations.
6) Understanding the nuances of each chapter on the ECM offer document; therefore, a firm grasp of the latest amendments to the ICDR and LODR will be your bread and butter.
7) Knowing shortcuts on Word and Excel is a must because you will be working with IBs and allied finance tycoons which operate solely on Excel and not knowing anything here or there will leave a bad impression on behalf of you & the firm. Do not act as if you know it all or else you'll get fucked.
8) Lastly, please let it sink that after choosing this menace of practice - long hours are common, bonuses are slightly stagnated as against your M&A/B&F peers & chances of switching to GC/M&A is very sleek. Best part is that the work is cyclical and you will have days when you can go and tailor your suit, get that bag/watch for your next listing ceremony that will make headlines.
9) Word of caution - know what you are getting into since that life is not easy. You might glorify folks like Manan Lahoty, Yash Ashar, Sandip Bhagat etc; but trust me it will take years to reach that kind of level. So take one step at a time, seek redress if needed and learn to find joy in discomfort.
10) Breakup of Indian ECM firms in my honest opinion:
T1 Firms - CAM, IndusLaw, S&R, SAM, KCO
T2 Firms - JSA, AZB, Trilegal, Saraf, L&L
T3 Firms - CrawfordB, Bharucha, Rajani, SNG, Juris Corp
My sincere apologies for this long message but I hope this helps.
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/288175-nalsar-grad-kirkland-partner
Maybe there's some sense in it and maybe here's why:
1. Almost everyone on the left, is atheistic or agnostic. Why? It reflects a certain type of mindset. I am not suggesting that not believing in an entity such as god, is in any manner wrong. Simply that it reflects a certain type of mindset. Also, explains why you you are left in your younger years, when you don't "need" god. As responsibility grows, and you need help from an external entity, you start believing in God. To me non-belief in God is the core of political ideology. Because, for e.g., a religious God believing person is likely to believe that the horrors of poverty (as is wealth etc) is not a function of what you do, but rather your karma. And when you view poverty from that lens,one does not see the need to alleviate it, simply because it is somebody's elses karma or gods will for thag person. This is de-hors the fact that the stated position of the left is non belief.
2. The nature of man, as you grow, is to accumulate and leave Something behind for your progeny. Leftists are against accumulation. At the core. It's easy to be on the left when you are 16-30. Not when you have a family, work hard to accumulate something for your progeny and when the left in it's core, seeks to take it all or much of it away.
3. Happiness is a relative concept. Almost everybody gets happy because they have more than somebody else. In your younger years, when you are not driven by such primal emotions, again it's easy to be left. Also because it's not your resource. It's somebody else's (in most cases your parents)- so easy for you to be against accumulation. But by the the time you are on your own, your own self worth in some senses can only be showcased by what you have (more of, than others). Regardless, its indeed ugly to experience happiness on such relativity principles and You could in a sense argue that being left is perhaps then being more close to god. This is indeed one of the greatest dichotomies that exist. Maybe, not too. Since in religion, it is the individual who gives up all. And doesn't expect others to. He lives amongst others who have abundance and still chooses not to make his happiness relative.
P.S: I am probably as right as it gets. Just trying to . And apologies I have no suggestions to give you on how not to feel listless.
I gave clat in June 2022, got an abysmal rank due to preparing for 2-3 weeks (original plan was to do CA but I felt law was more in-sync with what I wanted to study), was getting a tier 3 nlu but settled for a college near ncr in desperation.
At that time I thought that I could do anything, was pretty excited for college so thought that I'd face all odds and land a good job despite being in a local college.
But man I was wrong.
The job prospects are really weak here. I have a good rank but even people in top 3 don't get a well paying job after hustling for 5 years.
It was at that time I thought that just maybe I can give clat again, looked into it and the consortium changed the date to December.
I tried to cope. But realised maybe studying for a year won't be so bad.
In January I started my preparation. I was really enthusiastic about it too, studied for clat while also doing college work.
But a week back, when I was about to fill my registration form someone told me that students start college from June/July and man.
The despair I hadn't felt for a long time came back again.
I will be 21 next year in May. Most who join an NLU are within 18-20, with 20 being on the slightly older side. I am scared I'd be too old.
On one hand my mock scores are amazing, have been consistently scoring in 100s, and if I do manage to get in, in a T1 then my job prospects would increase drastically, not to mention the extracurricular opportunities and the network.
On the other, I'd be older than most people who get in. I have already paid for the second year fees so I'll be letting that go too.
I have read a few threads on this site saying that graduating at 26 will be too late, part of me feels that too but part of me also wants to study in an environment with opportunities.
I'm extremely conflicted at this point and don't know who to turn to. Can't talk to parents since they don't know I have been preparing, friends aren't in the same boat so I'm posting this here.
Pls tell me, should I go ahead with clat? or should I stay here and give up on those dreams due to the age factor?
Tldr: Second year law student in a no-ranked college scared of giving clat again due to being old, need advice.
If there are zero overlaps, why should an airport deal not be filed under green channel?
https://beta.nfsu.ac.in/Uploads/Placement-Report-of-SCSDF_NFSU.pdf
Lawyers too are supposed to grab attention and interest of judges to get a favourable order. If they can't hold the attention, they lose. Especially post-lunch. Does this mean lawyers who put in the effort are clowns - or, as you put it, having the production values of Netflix?
Of course not. They have soft skills beyond raw knowledge of law. Anyone can have the raw knowledge. Teaching is more than that. As someone else here also pointed out, you can teach easily to the bright students. That's bland. It takes extra effort to get to the ones who don't see much point in why you're speaking - the tough students. (Of course, this is not to mean that inability to get to every last student is a failure of the teacher - no, there are some students who are just not serious at all.) But to say that merely because someone is finding the teacher to be dull, but is otherwise able to grasp everything through other sources is a bad learner.
You brought up Jindal too. Personally, I don't see how they are doing any worse than the students from any other decent law school. If the unemployability point is from a law firm POV, then surely you too must agree that being employed at a law firm is not the only possible end goal for a student (or the intended outcome of legal education).
Besides all of this, you appear to be missing another point that the OP appears to be making - according to the metrics available to them, they are doing just fine. If your argument is that by paying attention in class they learn something, but those aspects do not reflect accordingly in the grades, why so? Does this not mean your assessment is skewed then?
Lastly, your point that if the classes are dull then it is upon the students to elevate it is just wrong. Students are not running the show. The best they can do is try to participate. But if your classes are just bland monologues, there's not much the students can do. Again, no, no one is asking you to become Netflix or make your lectures into InstagramReels-sized bits. But do something!
There are two things a teacher NEEDS to do in such a situation:
1. Communicate in an effective way to the students WHY it is important to pay attention. Not just by saying the words, but possibly be demonstrating to them. Make them want to learn the subject. Evoke in them the passion to learn your subject.
2. Communicate the lecture effectively, so as to not cause them to fall asleep. Of course, this is not possible for ALL the topics, but if 80% of your lectures are interesting, the students will follow you for the 20% bit.
PS: I'm a faculty myself. I know the problems of a class consisting of disrespectful students who are there just to spend their parents' money. But that does not mean the fault always is entirely with the students.
PPS: Typed in a hurry, excuse any typos.
Would no wars be a good thing during the second world war? Should america have left european jews to die in the camps? Should they have sued for peace with hitler? Is that really moral?
When terrorists hide behind children and women, when they hide in hospitals, they are the ones committing war crimes. Not the country that is defending itself after a genocidal terrorist attack.
Its not a pithy phrase you idiot- its referring to a very material reality of what women go through. Rape kits dont contain argumentative props- they contain very real evidence of the oppression that women go through. Not everything is a debating tactic. You are just going ad hominem because you do not have the truth on your side and nor do you have any argument on your side. So all you can do is say that im ranting and crazy and mad and hateful and all this other nonsense. I dare you to point out where Ive engaged in ad hominem. No one here represents anyone else but themselves. You don't represent women either. Women are more than capable of speaking for themselves- and this particular woman is. You dont seem to understand that marginalisation should be based in material reality and not in imagined word magic.
You think you know what progress is and what positive change is. Progress has never been made by the people who deny material realities and never been made by people who prioritise "positivity" and feelings over facts. I will keep fighting. Thanks!
Aside from that- a generally good principle of debate is that the person making the assertion needs to prove it- if you make the assertion that gender-neutral parental leave would help women- you need to provide convincing proof of the same.
No one has made anyone the spokesperson here. Who made you spokesperson for women? Should we all shut up until official spokespersons are elected? Its up to people to generally support the point of view that aligns with their interests.
Honestly if I were this teacher I would kick all of those kids out.
You are assuming that students are consumers at an ala carte educational system. They can take and leave whatever bit of it they want. Attend the classes they want and sleep through the ones they dont if they dont find it suits their particular taste. Students are not consumers, they are not owed a degree. They are not even owed knowledge. Students pay for the opportunity to learn. that is all. They are members of an academic community. When one person disrupts the class- they steal an opportunity to learn from other students. Classrooms are supposed to be spaces where all students and teachers come together to learn from each other. When students come in and sleep- they are doing a disservice to their fellow students and their teachers. They are failing to hold up their end of the bargain- its the same thing as if a teacher came in unprepared and disinterested. The educational project is not one where knowledge is deposited from one person to another- Its a collaborative project where two people work together to produce something there was not before. When students dont put in the work- they ensure the project fails.
Mandatory attendance is as much about the BCI and standards for legal education. Most teachers I know would rather not have uninterested people in the classroom. Its incredibly dispiriting to keep trying to teach kids who have turned their ears and brains off. If you want a law degree- the BCI wants to make sure you have worked this hard at your legal education- thats fair considering the work that lawyers do.
If I had a heart problem- I would not go to a doctor who could not attend 75% of his classes. And If I had a serious legal problem- I would not go to a lawyers who could not attend 75% of his classes.
Attendance is a poor measure- but the answer to that is not to throw it all away- it does measure something. It measures consistent effort and discipline. You retain stuff youve learned better if you learn it over four months as opposed to if you memorise it in one day. This is true for every discipline. Attendance records stand in for that measure of effort and discipline and thoroughness.
Stop spreading misinformation.
Btw, what's the nexus between 50 out of 200 marks for current affairs at CLAT and Law? How does 25% of the grade disrupt going to current affairs my efficiency as a lawyer?
LI is meant for having a laugh in our dreary lives. Not everything is trollish or toxic
Also Skill Arbitrage is another vertical thats not law
I guess not more than 50% of the revenue comes from just legal education
Law students are about 10%
Another 10% recent law grads who want to land a job
70% lawyers above the age of 30, half of them over 40
1 from NALSAR
Second, it also depends on the NLU/law school you are at, the top 5-6 NLUs have good quality students and professors (especially the top 3 of NLS, NLUD and NALSAR, maybe NUJS too) that actually make the law interesting to study. That broadens your thinking much more than some Kota engineering kid will ever have.
Proof please
https://lawandotherthings.com/litigation-101-bombay-high-cour/
Translation: "We have to say this to show we are innocent. In reality, we cannot sue because it is the truth."