shouldn't the objective be to get good candidates who can be trained by putting fewer resources of the firm? these people aren't just going to be associates, some of them will go on to become partners as well. Have you seen the attrition rates at law firms, don't you think a lot of it can attributed to the "objective" selection criteria?

And if GPA is the only criterion why do they talk about so much about moots, publications, ADRs, etc.? Let's just all focus on one thing i.e., grades, and forget about holistic learning. Why should I slog my ass off for all these inconsequential things?

As someone who graduated from HNLU, worked at a T1 and is now struggling with LLM applications, agree with this statement. HNLU is good and you have opportunities here, yes. And yes, it is possible to make up for the gap between HNLU and even NLS with grit and hard work. But most people aren't that self-motivated and need a little external push.

Advocate Ashish Goel (NUJS batch??) put out a tweet on supreme court after the controversial article 370 judgment in favor of Modi government. According to him, Indian supreme court has delivered all important judgments (such as Aadhaar, Ayodhya, demonetization) in favor of Modi government. He even suggested the supreme court is like a "Saffron Court". And guess what? He got massively trolled by RW with name-calling, verbal abuse, and contempt threats! There are also controversial tweets from NLSIU alumni Tarun Khaitan (a LSE professor) and Vakasha Sachdeva (a journalist). Relevant tweets:1. https://twitter.com/ashish_nujs/status/1734110270321226027

2. https://twitter.com/YearOfTheKraken/status/1734184730600636709

3. https://twitter.com/tarunkhaitan/status/1734190404130713720

4. https://twitter.com/VakashaS/status/1734109799145701835

Now the question is why are people so intolerant of views? People don't mind when regressive, controversial views come from the likes of J Sai Deepak? He has written two large volumes of that! And why don't we see more people from top national law schools coming out and showing the supreme court a mirror? Have NLUs become a hub for BJP and the RSS? Other controversial matters are pending before the supreme court such as electoral bonds and CAA. Will these cases also be decided in favor of Modi government? Public perception of independence is no longer important? If this continues, Modi is all set to win 2024 elections with a huge margin of votes with Ram Mandir inauguration in January!

Recently completed a call-back internship with Trilegal and received good feedback from the associates. However, getting a PPO confirmation from HR has become a lengthy process. Can anyone who has received a PPO offer from them recently shed light on the process and the time it takes to get confirmation.

Maybe you didn't know. WBNUJS faculty salary is one scale lower than NFSU's. Get over your high-horse attitude. The only reason a faculty from a national university goes to a state university is when comes with a promotion (e.g. an Assistant Professor from NFSU moving to WBNUJS as an Associate Professor). That is quite common. E.g. the VC of NLU Meghalaya was earlier the Dean of the School of Law at IIT KGP (a promotion). It is further evidence that national institutions provide the brainpower that state universities can benefit from. The flow is downwards.

The Management Committee (and the man who is presumably a part of the next MC) is hell bent on getting lateral partners (even at junior level) as opposed to promoting Trilegal talent- Some of these lateral hires would’ve not even cleared the partnership process which Trilegal makes its homegrown counsels go through.

What’s your take on the new face of Trilegal where loyalty is not rewarded and instead, punished!??!!

"Dr Ambedkar suggested that it should last only for ten years. There should have been re-examination and reform after a decade but by then our political leaders had discovered the power of using caste groups as vote banks, so no change came."

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"If there is one section of Indians who has benefited most from reservations, it is our politicians. They have perfected the art of creating vote banks based on caste, creed and tribe, and perfected the art of promising them the moon and the stars when elections come around. They have also learned the skill of using reservations in government schools and colleges to their own benefit by controlling who gets a reserved seat and who does not. "

https://www.financialexpress.com/opinion/fifth-column-by-tavleen-singh-time-to-end-reservations/3334298/

Do y'all agree???

You have got no idea about social sciences and the rigour involved in studying them, clearly. To say that courses like Economics, Political Science, Sociology etc. are lightweight subjects that are of no use in the real world is to reveal your colossal ignorance and misplaced sense of arrogance.

I DON'T think you should. Agreed that GNLU is better than HNLU, but is it so better that you will be wasting your one year and approx 2.5 Lacs?

Your goal is to get a corporate job, you can get that even at HNLU as it is completely up to you. You never know what would be the situation in 2029, you may end up job less even in GNLU.

Rather stay at HNLU, do your grind their and hope for the best.

More like 50 lacs, and no for GNLU it definitely isn't. I'm not sure why it's glorified on LI a lot but GNLU has a LOT of issues: be it the infra, food, medical facilities, acad, faculties, and especially the admin. Ask any student irl and they'll tell you.

Know what you're getting into before making such a massive financial decision please.

Thumb rule: Preferences should be given as if you're rank number one. Always keep NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUD, GNLU, NLIU, HNLU and similar order (depending on your choice, really). Never put any NLU above another unless you really prefer it more.

If counselling doesn't give you a seat, you will get your money back.

If you get a lower NLU, you can still leave the place within 3 months and the university will have to return most of the fees other than around 5-10k. That's the UGC rule.

Keep an eye out on the websites of the NLUs that you want to get in, at least till August. Students often leave within a month and then NLUs need to fill those seats, often with urgency. Keep info and docs necessary for application handy for such scenarios.

If money permits, consider good private universities or older trad universities if you're not getting the top 10 NLUs.

Let's see, one side keeps saying that the fault for everything that's going wrong today lies with a guy who has been dead for almost 50 years now. The other side keeps saying that the people who are in power today should be made accountable for the state the country is in. Hmmm... Difficult to choose really.

When alumni come to give such lectures at NUJS these days, they find an empty classroom or at best a handful of students only interested in getting extra attendance. Students deserve this downfall and it is because of their lack of interest in getting educated. When issues and research involving commercial matters or tech developments are discussed, they don't really like to make any effort to learn.

With Khaitan raising their pay scales, will Indus revise its pay bands? How does Indus plan to attract and retain lawyers, particularly for their capital markets team, if their salaries aren't competitive? While they offer a comparable fixed pay to some Tier-1 firms, their bonus component is significantly lower. There's a shift in the culture of their capital markets practice as well and is becoming like other tier-1 law firms. There were many recent departures and sabbaticals, with more team members considering a move elsewhere.

Hey, im a student from a tier 2 NLU, have interned at 2-3 tier 1 firms and have great grades relative to the rest of my batch. Only problem is corporate life is too hectic for me. Working from 9 am to 11 pm is just not for me. Would MBA be a good exit option from law? Maybe taking up some inhouse job or working as a consultant?

Yes, business/management and law dual degrees (e.g. JD-MBA or BBA-LLB) are offered by the world's top universities for a reason. It is the most synergistic combination of two strategic disciplines. Forensic Science is an upstream discipline that makes law (justice delivery) more effective.

So, i was very excited to start interning at this gigantic tier 1 firm in Mumbai. 10 days in, I'm not getting much work, and am feeling significant imposter syndrome seeing how well versed in law all the associates are. Also the main partner of the office chose me to be his intern, and he's so busy he can barely allot any work to me, and if i get work from any of the senior associates he feels I shouldn't have.

second year kids from my batch are interning at JSA, Mumbai. There is simply no merit to internship applications - you know the partner, you are in. They don't even conduct the higher knowledge tests these days. Avoid the firm at all costs and quit trying to secure it by cold emailing the HR/Partners. Its going the Indus way, where it all depends on how much you know the partner/client and how genuine is their ability to put in the word for your internship slot.

Any program other than BA-LLB (e.g. BBA-LLB or BSc LLB) is more rigorous. This is because Business/Management and Science/Forensic Science are important heavyweight disciplines in their own right. Students have to give equal attention to both disciplines (i.e. business and law or science and law). This is unlike BA-LLB because the subjects in the BA portion are all over the place and are there only to fulfill credit requirements. You are right in saying that today there is a huge demand for lawyers who can code or those with science and tech backgrounds. State NLUs are falling behind on this curve. A BBA-LLB or a BSc-LLB program is far tougher than a BA-LLB. I agree.

Coming to WBNUJS - once it moves into the realms of forensic science, it is competing with NFSU. Being an INI, NFSU is and will remain far ahead. NFSU is a national university, far better funded, and the bellwether trend-setting institution. Nevertheless, it is good to see WBNUJS starting this program - at least it is more innovative than what KNLSIU has done by just increasing the intake of its BA-LLB program.

because when the paper is extremely easy, other factors come into play. When multiple people get the same marks, as they're bound to in an easy paper like this one, the tie-breaker is things like age, which is outside one's control. luck also comes into play when the paper is overly easy, and the effort people have put into learning to deal with a moderate/difficult paper are wasted, at least from an exam point of view. if the paper had been hard instead of easy, the people who top it are different from the ones who have topped it now. this is not an insult or criticism, but fact. for example, if you look at the toppers of ailet (a difficult exam) and clat (an easier exam usually) there is some overlap between the toppers but not enough to prove that the same people top an easy and a difficult exam. different skills and factors come into play in easy and difficult exams

State NLUs are state universities. They'll never behave and act like national institutions. The INI status is only for those universities that are or have the potential to contribute to a national priority. Even the top state NLUs don't fall in this category. A high degree of reservation in the state NLUs ensures that good meritorious students move to "lower" state NLUs so that talent does not get concentrated in a few NLUs and the overall quality of lower NLUs is bumped up. Over time, the artificial difference between the so-called T1, T2, and T3 NLUs shrinks.

OP is correct. Thank you for speaking out, friend. I had made a similar point on LI about the VC being obsessed with criminal law and forensics, which have zilch career prospects. Unfortunately, I was shouted down by pro-admin trolls and accused of being right-wing. 🙄 Apparently, wanting a well-paying job in a law firm or company makes you a BJP supporter. 🤦‍♂️ Who will tell them about Nalsar Joe then? 🥲

What we need is a system where good alumni from different NLUs continuously visit NUJS and give good guest lectures on commercial law. As for cyber law, we need lectures on commercially relevant aspects of cyber law, such as cryptocurrency, cybersecurity, IP, safe harbour and content moderation policies by platforms. We do NOT need sociology lectures disguised as cyber law lectures, on topics like online stalking of women, online trolling of transgenders, caste and internet access etc. Sorry, but that is not commercially relevant.

No doubt Rhodes is prestigious, but it is certainly not the only one. There are many scholarships and fellowships nowadays that are considered just as good if not better. Thus, NLSIU should be judged holistically and not just with reference to 1 particular scholarship. Please do a holistic audit and then you will get the true picture.

🙏🙏🙏🙏

Below is a list of examples.

- Fulbright in the US- Gates Cambridge, Commonwealth, Chevening, Pratibha Singh Cambridge and Cornelia Sorabji Oxford in the UK

- Alexander von Humboldt and DAAD in Germany

- Erasmus Mundus in EU

- Schwarzman in China

- Plus, numerous scholarships offered at Oxbridge, Ivies, Stanford, NUS Singapore, Melbourne, Sydney and UNSW in Australia etc etc.

etc etc

So True, at a rank of 800, I was getting a top tier two. Had there been lesser quota I would have atleast made it to NLIU/GNLU. Instead I chose to be closer to home at one of the good Non NLUs mentioned. I really would have loved to be at NLIU, on my complete merit and hardwork. But almost more than 35% is reserved some places reaching 50 if domicile is counted. Was very heartbrok

Rhodes is an individual achievement. I hate when people take credit for their own because the winner was from your college?. The best person wins, not the best college. Always in such NLSIU vs gnlu Rhodes debates the achievement of the individual is equated to an achievement of the college

Having been in the trenches with a partner (T1) prone to over-hiring, I'd strongly advise against any rash moves, such as pointing out that you need more work. As counterintuitive as this sounds, it’s true; don’t let any BS that your firm sells for open internal dialogue make you think otherwise. If you're not billing, you're basically a financial albatross hanging on your firm and your partner, making you an easy target for casual dismissal. Associates mess up—it's part of the game. The idea is that you LEARN. However, if you make an issue of your situation, your partner might use every slip to label you as incompetent. To tackle this, keep a punchy list of tasks aced, always updated. Use your free time to draw updates in your practice area, and shoot your partner an email pitching co-authoring opportunities. Hustle within the firm, buddy up with other partners for extra gigs. Fight tooth and nail to keep your current spot while simultaneously scouting for a new one. Your market value will nosedive if you're left jobless in these circumstances.

Remember, your supervising partner/boss is not your mentor, friend, or well-wisher.

Dilution in quality at top 10 NLUs started long back, with increase in reservation to an extent far more than IIT and IIM. In comparison with IIT and IIM, the percentage of merit seats in top 10 NLUs are very few. We need to first follow the IIT-IIM model and lower the percentage of reserved seats across top 10 NLUs. For example, there are 60 to 100 meritorious students at non-NLUs like Jindal/Symbiosis/GLC etc who get T1/T2 law firm offers every year. Most of them turned down seats at lower tier NLUs like Patna, Ranchi, Shimla etc. These same students would have made it to the Top 10 NLUs if each of them replaced 10 quota seats with 10 merit seats.

Which side are you on?

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/jammu-and-kashmir-case-in-supreme-court-our-government-put-laptops-in-hands-of-stone-pelters-amit-shah-4654762

https://twitter.com/khanumarfa

Interviewed for a couple of position (~6 month PQE):

Corp (PE/VC):

1. Can a contract be terminated without a termination clause?

2. Essentials of a contract.

3. What are the essentials of an indemnification clause, how will you review an indemnification clause and what are the key ingredients of an indemnification clause.

4. SHA over AoA.

5. CV based questions.

6. what happens to an AoA upon execution of an SSHA, will it change, if yes, which clauses and how?

From what I heard from an associate (ex Wadia, Mumbai - B&F) who now works with our team, the junior partner i.e. freshly promoted salaried partner makes 40 lakh fixed, rest variable depending on the senior's billing adjusting for other factors; so I think 40-50 lakh is a rough estimate which is quite possible (for Nihas's and Gopal's teams) & Real Estate (Dhawal's team) based out of Mumbai. But yes, making 40-50 lakh at the age of 30-31 is kind of being underpaid as compared to your tier 1 peers in the same age bracket who will be making upwards of 50 lakhs fixed (i.e. MA/ Of Counsel bands) in Mumbai. So I'd say WG is good in your initial years for training and learning the ropes, post which you can easily sail through tier 1s with the most questionnable Partners and team members.

How exactly does the counselling process work? Do well-ranked students really leave their seats vacant, and with a national rank of 5000, and Karnataka state rank as 350, could I possibly grab a seat at NLS (in case of state domicile) or a top 10 NLU throughout this cumbersome counselling process? Should I even pay that fee? Any educated guidance?

I’m your alumni from Nirma. Things worked out of me just fine, I’m working at a T-1 firm now (PPO and luck tbh) but the place to which Nirma is headed, I would strongly recommend you to shift to HNLU, if your aim is getting a job.

For proof- ask around your batch and seniors for placements at Nirma for the outgoing batch. They are extremely low (even PPOs), this is because of the downfall which Nirma has seen recently.

HNLU will offer you way more and shift if your aim is a job.

Hi,

I want to leave India asap due to personal reasons and would love to hear about your opinions on the best path out. I know that vacation schemes are a popular route but they're mostly confined to 5-6 people from the top 5 NLUs.

Would love to hear your opinion!

The need for this course stems from Industry demand. There is a huge demand for science background people in the industry. The IT industry in particular is in severe need of good lawyers from science background. NUJS has brought in forensics. NLU Bhopal has Cyber Crime.

The new course is being taught by same Professors as BALLB. The quality of teaching is equally good. Some students from upper middle class families (like me) find the environment bit tough due to different building and hostel than the campus. Even the dorms in the BALB campus, some people find it difficult to stay there, but it is a lot of fun after some time. Last year, no one knew about this course, so the cutoff went very low. But this year, the cutoff is likely to go much much lower. Check the syllabus on the web, the BA subjects are replaced by a few forensics subjects.

One of the guys told me that this was just supposed to be a troll it seems, but being put online on the web and NUJS have 4th all india ranking, it caused lots of people to drop the option.

My elder sister who works in HR tells me that companies mostly go by university ranking and your LLB score to offer packages.

But be warned, You need to have ability to pass the reasonably tough exams that NUJS has. If you do not have the ability, better choose a regular institute as per your regular ranking and go with BALLB, as there is a difference in difficulty of exams you will face.

Honestly, it's not as straightforward of an answer. It's very subjective.

Suppose if I wanted to do Judiciary and I'm sure of it without a doubt, then it might not make much sense to waste an year's progress for the NLU tag and a better alumni base. But suppose if I want to go for corporate, then it'll make a lot of sense since HNLU has good placements, it conducts Day Zero, it is an obvious choice, and that one year wouldn't mean much if you get the job.

If we consider a more realistic possibility of you not being sure about what to do (which is a better way to go about it), then all around HNLU still offers a much better life. It'll keep your avenues open to pursue whatever you wish, contingent on your efforts.

You'll get a better campus, better food (yes, I've heard that the food isn't that great in most of Nirma's PGs), a better hostel, better alumni, better connections, and presumably a better career. Make the decision owing to your circumstances, and I can assure you that the most you'll lose if you choose HNLU is an year, nothing more than that :)

Best of luck deciding on whatever you choose, keep us updated!

The average tenure of people sticking in Regstreet is less than a year. There are dozens of people out there and you can reach out to them to know why it is difficult to be part of the firm.

Pathetic pay is obviously one of the reasons but people stick in places with lower pay for longer period.

Hope you get the wind.