Didnt get a PPO or any offer after college so went the usual route and started a pretty basic litigation gig in Chennai. Did it for about 5 months and got the chance to jump inhouse in a TVS Company. Did it for a year and now im working in and AIF. Preparing for my GMAT, hoping to do and MBA from a top B School.

Sorry, the real question is, 'Do chamber juniors get paid?'

Juniors draft, research, run around for compliances, at times serve as literal secretaries doing reminding and stuff. All for nothing. Instead, when something goes downhill, these seniors have the audacity to be seething at you. Judges don't say a whisper to seniors, who are always on record, but dress down the juniors appearing.

Juniors sell their soul and dreams, seniors sit pretty.

Apparently they've done this in the Delhi office too, on more than a few occasions.

Even though assessment internships don't provide a guarantee of employment, it is sad to see interns pay travel fares everyday for 6 months and not even getting reimbursed for that after the 6 month period is over. If you can't give a job, atleast reimburse that money. Shouldn't be too difficult when you're earning crores.

MKS had expected VC position in one of the better known NLUs. As with NUJS in the past, he lacked the heft. So, he took DNLU because WB govt will be giving NKC an extension likely till 2026 state elections.

MKS would have continued in ILI. But a third term was too much of a stretch for a lightweight.

Hi guys! I need help to understand how an associate who works in a T1-T2 law firms build their skill sets. I really want to prepare myself and get that toxic work environment for myself once. I really want to work in SAM, CAM or AZB. Please guide me how I can build myself to work. What kind of work do they give. Currently I am working in a law firm, very small team with good working environment etc. All I do is drating contracts, PP, T&C, commercial agreements and contracts and extensive legal research. Let me know please anyone can help.

So true! They want to waste our time and then offer peanuts! Also , moving from a law-firm to an inhouse role we're anyway taking a hit on the tax per centage uske upar se itne kam paise offer karenge! Saari top ki companies ka yahi haal hai. It's heartbreaking....after being interviewed for 6-7 rounds and reaching that stage where you can clearly negotiate what you deserve and then the company suddenly tells you ki issey zada toh nai ho paega...time, effort, money humara toh sab waste ho raha hai na...pehle apna budget dekh lo fir approach karo logo ko. Imagine having to reject an offer from a company that you have been manifesting to work for, just because they can't afford you.

1. Easier in the sense that you can be brain-dead and still do 90% of the work. Awful in terms of hours because of the volume of work.

2. As much as any other corporate practice. Bonuses will depend on how many mandates your boss landed.

3. You'll pick up in two weeks.

4. LODR and run through chapter headings on a DRHP

5. Lack of a personal life, suicidal urges and a strong addiction to nicotine and substance abuse

its unfortunate that the VC is trying to shift the blame on the victims, if the incidents happened at the campus, the university cannot escape liability. Remedial measures look good on paper, but only someone in need of help will be the best judge about the robustness of such initiatives.

Yes, you can:
- take both in physical modes provided their class timings do not clash or
- take one in physical mode and the other in online/distance mode

These guidelines do not apply to Ph.D. programs, in which case you can only pursue a Ph.D. and nothing else simultaneously.

usually 1 yr MBA programmes have 3 compulsory modules and 3 optional modules along with a final dissertation. One of the 3 compulsory modules will be on finance, which requires a bit of stat knowledge, but not superlative. Amongst the optional modules you have choices to take strategy, HR, or finance. You can take non-finance modules, which have very low quants. So, yes, it is possible to pursue MBA with low quant skills.

If you dont care why did you apply? why did you get worked up enough to abuse another person? why are you trying to find validation here? Youre just coping. She definitely will not help you get a job after this- and its not because they did anything wrong- its because youre extremely unprofessional. Its undignified to behave the way you did and are still doing. Dignity doesn't require such fragility or such meanness towards others. you mean to say you have your pride. And if you want to protect your pride at the cost of not having a job or being able to work with other at all- thats your business.

No one expects you to be Gary Born on Day 1.

Just read the Arbitration Act and have some sense of arbitrations pan out typically.

Fundamentals like Sections 7, 9, 11, 14, 15, 17, 29A, 33, 34, 36, 37 ... should do.

Know something worth speaking about recent judgments like Cox and Kings, Stamping 7 Judge etc.

Someone who teaches well and knows their subject inside out. These teachers don't give a damn about attendance or anything, they know their worth and students attend their classes to gain knowledge.

I had one such professor, he used to take open book exams and hardly any student, who flunked his classes, were able to get good scores. Completely practical exams, no theoretical bullshit, no rote learning. If you understand the concept, you can write just 2 lines for 10 marks, and he will give you 10; write 10 page shit, he gives you 0.

UGC introduced dual degree programme where we can avail two bachelors, two masters, a bachelor and a master degree in different subjects at the same time. Is it applicable for law as well ? Let's say we pursue a b.a llb, then can we pursue a BBA at the same time ? Or what if we pursue a PhD candidate we pursue a MA at the same time ??

I got 10K PM and that too I got after begging my senior (Reminding him about the salary) every month. And in return of that 10K I had to give my soul, mental health, peace, to the Senior. I used to cry literally daily because of the pressure and Toxicity. I ruined my Physical and Mental health for that 10K , not to forget that the 10K I used to get, went into travelling to firm and Courts only. So yea practically I got nothing. Plus the fact that I had to visit almost 3-4 District courts daily. I was literally robbed off my mental health and peace. The fact remains that the Lawyer is a well known Lawyer in Few Discrict Courts of Delhi. Those 6 months were literally the worst 6 months of my Life.

If you have family background or strong networks, considerably easier. Not shading those having a law background/ network, but dear me, it pumps the motor for sure

You'll probably learn the theoretical stuff, maybe, even by yourself; but the other aspects are not so easy.

Seniors don't actively or passively want you to do well, actively or passively.

If you're lucky, they'll not sabotage you, again, actively or passively.

Money is bleak at the beginning. No guarantee as to what would be the situation, years later.

probably the wrong team? maybe give initials of the partner so that OP doesn't go to his/her team? I just see them in court often and they have some really good clients. A healthy mix of IP and entertainment clients. All my info is from a close friend who works there. Hiring is very limited though. Personally, witnessed Aditya Gupta present his case during a briefing, seems like a nice guy who knows his work. Baaki, ofcourse as a client, you can shed light better.

CAs are definitely better placed to advise & litigate on tax matters. Sit in ITAT courtrooms & see how many CAs argue & how many lawyers who are not CAs. It is bar council that debar any other professional practice & not ICAI which allows sanad in addition to CA practice. Day is not far when CA practice will be allowed in addition to sanad & that day CAs with law degree will start arguing in HC & SC too. For a CA a 'bought' degree from a 'dustbin university' is enough to get tag, for skills, they already have better skill sets when it comes to tax.

Meanwhile, the Directorate General of Income Tax (I&CI) Ahmedabad sets up a "Digital Forensic Laboratory" for the Ahmedabad Region in collaboration with NFSU at the NFSU campus.
https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nfsu_nfsu-mou-digitalforensiclaboratory-activity-7159060925088436224-VWGR?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop.

This is the second such initiative after the Directorate General of GST Intelligence (DGGI) set up five labs in Gandhinagar, Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai, and Kolkata with a funding of ₹16 crores.
https://pib.gov.in/PressReleasePage.aspx?PRID=1994273

If you "genuinely" want to do a Ph.D., then you must be knowing that you need access to data, tools, and expertise. These labs will be the temples where you'll spend the next 4 - 5 years. You don't do a Ph.D. in thin air. It needs funding and resources. These labs can produce at least 50 Ph.Ds in the next 5 years. Now you figure it out.

What does one expect from a lawyer? Legal advice and representation before courts, and quasi judicial forums. If you think that in general CAs are better placed to advise on tax laws and argue the matter in courts then a lawyer who practices tax laws then you are mistaken. Also, simply getting a law degree from CCS does not make one a lawyer. Just look around and you will find mostly lawyers advising and representing on tax laws. Compliance, of course, is done by CAs.

I'm a first sem student from a pretty decent non-NLU college near Delhi, and after not making it in CLAT I used to think I'd missed out on some big opportunities.

But a couple of weeks ago I started my internship at firm, all my co-interns were from NLUs and they are SO stupid and elitist. They are obsessed with theory/philosophy and have NO knowledge of how practical things work. They glorify corporate work which is basically just mindless slavery and they don't work for society and no respect for litigation. They only think about useless fields like M&A and other type of nonsense but not criminal or consti law which will actually help society. They are obsessedf with making connections but at the same time look down on non-NLU students and think anything they want???

Who here has had the same experiences with these NLU kids at their internships?

Recently, VC of NLUO gave an interview to careers360 where she conveniently lied and created a false narrative to hide her own shortcomings.

When asked about the suicides in uni, she said none of it happened in uni. However, the first incident happened in April 2022 when the person hanged themself in their hostel room of the university. The VC even had the audacity to say that the person chose to end their life due to "weight issues".. WTF was she trying to imply by making such statements??

VC went on to say that they are giving rooms on double sharing basis to first years so that they can keep a track of each other and no one is left alone. BUT THE TRUTH IS THAT THEY DON'T HAVE ENOUGH ROOMS and they have cramped 2 people in rooms meant for 1 person.

The VC has guts to lie blatantly in public but not to take corrective measures. Her pathetic policies like having LLB (3 yr) course without having sufficient infra has led to all this chaos in uni. And it's even more said to see no one being able to question her when NLUO is falling in every ranking be it NIRF or NAAC.

carrers360 article for reference: https://news.careers360.com/nlu-odisha-national-law-university-cuttack-nluo-ba-llb-law-courses-jobs-incubation-cell-vice-chancellor

I interned with Khaitan & Co Mumbai, and my experience during the internship was positive. As I reflect on my work and responsibilities, I am eager to learn about the outcome of my internship. Unfortunately, my mentor seems a bit clueless about it. Considering this, would it be appropriate for me to approach the hiring partner directly to inquire about the results of my internship?

Instead of dismissing everything and saying competitor holding grudges, why dont you introspect and find out. This rubbish posted everytime on competitors and small firms and back office - seems really like there is a problem.

Atleast based on the intern's comments, especially in light of other comments posted on LI recently.

Also, please comment regarding the salary issues pointed here.

If you are not good at what you do, you will remain stuck. That’s the reality. That’s the story.

Always go for an area that interests you, a field that you enjoy delving into, a subject that you can claim as your strength. Give your best without worrying about your competition (CA/lawyer/MBA) and you are bound to excel. It is great to have professionals competing with each other. Even better when professionals from different field compete with the other. There’s no point shying away from competition if you believe in excellence. Yes, tax is very technical and dynamic. It requires consistent learning to remain competent in the field of tax. But therein lies the charm!

In law firms it is difficult to sustain a tax practice without being involved in litigation wherein you or your partner is not arguing the matter. CAs will always have the upper hand till ITAT. In fact recently a lot of CAs have started pursuing law so that they can also appear in HC and their office becomes a one stop shop from audit to HC lit

They're offering an unpaid 'long term' internship (they said we don't take assessment interns, we call them long term interns), with the caveat that even if they like my work, they still may not make me an Associate if there are no vacancies at that time.

Is it worth doing it then or should I join a PP instead? Might as well get trial court exposure then.

So this is how I replied to mail for a job which had very little salary, against my expectations -

Their offer - Dear xxxxxxxxx,

This is with reference to your application and interview at our firm.

Based on the information given and representation made, we are happy to consider you for the position of Assessment Intern in Corporate division.

During the assessment period of first three months, you shall be paid Rs. 8,000 per month as stipend. Once successfully completed you shall be considered for associate position, with Rs 12,000-15000 per month salary.

Please let us know you interest so that we can process the request further. Please note that the response must be received by February 15th 2024, failing which the offer will stand revoked.

Thanks and Regards,

My reply - Dear sir,

Thank you for your prompt response to my application and I am glad that you could assess my application and make an offer in such short period of time. I would be delighted to work in your organization as I believe it would give me the required give me the required growth and experience to help me shape my career further However, I regret to inform that the remuneration offered is very insufficient in contrast to my exception and my current remuneration as well.

Though I believe that learning is an integral aspect of a professional pursuit and remuneration shall only be a secondary concern, however ,based on my personal interaction, I believe I have expressed my views on a sustainable compensation model as well. The salary offered from you end, unfortunately is even lower than what I drew in my first job as a fresher 8 months ago and far lower than what I am drawing currently, albeit being in a non-corporate profile. For reference, I am attaching my offer letters from my previous organizations and I strongly believe than anything below the vicinity of my current drawn salary or that of my last organization is detrimental to my economical prospects, and professional integrity. I acknowledge that it would not be reasonable to ask for a hike at-par, but still, if you can keep that in consideration, I shall be more than glad to join your organization. If required, I can be available for a personal interaction to discuss the same as well.

Thank you for your time and attention in this matter,

Regards

There was a thread here, a guy commented he was here several years on and he was badly stuck https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/196777-change-of-area-of-practice-perspective-of-an-indirect-tax-lawyer#comment-226532

Adding up on his suggestions, talk to every HR, headhunter, contact, connection etc & make the switch preferably to corporate where opportunities are plentiful. One will need to start afresh but no problem, 3 years is nothing in the long run. Start in a small T2 firm where one can learn corporate transactions, agreements, deal flow & work flow. 2-3 years down the line one should be able to switch to a bigger firm with more pay. Also gauging how AI is catching up do courses on prompt optimization for GPTs, basic SQL & Python as this will be greatly relevant once AI picks up in the transaction space & automation increases. I'm literally talking to everyone contact I can find to make the switch. All the best!