It is not just the profs. who are to be blamed. The current vc does barely anything and also does not participate in any of the events organised by the uni. Also, the hostel wardens who are basically the first point of contact between the students and admin are ▮▮▮, case in point, the ruckus caused in the hostel this semester as was evident in social media. They did nothing except in blaming a few junior batches while the seniors got away unscathed.

Name and photo of the monster is out, along with CCTV photo of him carrying the unconscious girl. [...]

[...] What's the solution? Will sensitisation really work? Or could it be the fear of punishment? He got jailed in UK. Doubt if it would have happened in India.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/unmasked-student-who-carried-paralytically-27138391

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12202115/Chilling-CCTV-captures-student-carrying-semi-conscious-woman-flat-raping-her.html

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/preet-vikal-indian-student-seen-carrying-uk-woman-to-his-flat-to-rape-her-in-chilling-video-arrested-101687022521463.html

https://www.ndtv.com/indians-abroad/indian-student-preet-vikal-in-uk-carries-drunk-woman-to-his-flat-rapes-her-4131036#pfrom=home-ndtv_bigstory

Disagreed. Indian employers preferring foreign MBAs over IIMs is some grade A bs. Most middle and senior managers that hire from such reputed schools are also alumni of such schools. They certainly don't pay foreign MBAs in India more than their IIM counterparts. It's the same situation that exists in law firms. Foreign education may get you a job but you won't get preferential treatment or a higher pay and your reporting manager will most definitely be from an Indian school. I'm content with my research.

P.S. HSW is part of the M7.

The old ones like Bombay, Gymkhana do give corporate memberships. They either last till retirement from the company or for 7 to 10 years (depends on the company in question and their policies). I know mid-level to senior-level counsels at banks and big companies getting such memberships. I have not heard of law firm employees getting such memberships, but the big law firm owners are life members in their own right. Typically, an organisation needs to donate a few crores to a club to buy a set of memberships (e.g. 10 crore for 5 memberships). I guess law firm owners have not bothered to donate and buy memberships for their employees. They are satisfied with their own personal life memberships. ☹️

My friend at a Big 7 (associate) told me that he has not yet gone abroad. He has only travelled within India. He has only flown economy class, but he has stayed at 5 star hotels (though on one occasion he shared a room with another associate while the partner got a single room).

Hi,

Thanks for your inputs. Frankly speaking, I'm not that sure about DU law faculty. The only reason I'm ditching it is because I have seniors there who aren't very happy about the academic environment. On top of that DU isn't necessarily known for corp placements so I'm less inclined to chose it over NLS. Thoughts?

Are your suggesting that droppers have a lower chance of securing the scholarship?

What if there's a dropper who used to pursue enginnering but suddenly switched to law, will they have a even lower or difficult time getting the scholarship?

Also considering how we haven't even started law school yet, isn't it naive for literal 1st years to have answers to all these questions that you mentioned. Or is securing the scholarship a game of play pretend? The more pretentious you are, the higher your chances of getting it.

GLC and ILS are always superior to at least one dozen low rung NLUs like Ranchi, Patna, Sonipat, Shimla, Trichy, Vizag, Jabalpur etc etc. These two colleges will remain prestigious always like CLC Delhi or PU Chandigarh or BHU.

If you get a seat in either of the two, go ahead and don't get tempted by NLU tag which is anyway useless unless it is top 5-6 older institutes.

Hey,

Thanks for your inputs. Really appreciate your help. Are you saying this from personal experience? I understand that at present 3 year LLB programs have a hard time securing corp jobs, but don't you feel things might be slightly different when it comes to the 3 year LLB program at NLS?

I live and work in a metro city, where the expenditure of me and my parents comes to around 21k per month (excluding the home EMI). So, 5-7k for groceries is quite reasonable. Of course, if you shop at high end places, eat organic food etc., then it will be more expensive. It's about a humble and non ostentatious lifestyle.

He passes off his own opinion as historical facts and sociological reality. Last I checked, he has got no degree from any university (other than maybe ▮▮▮ university) in either history or sociology. And don't pull the country card. Despite being from this country, you still don't have any knowledge about how half of its populace live their lives. It's also like saying, you are from this country and have studied law here, so you are qualified to write about ISRO's space technology analysis, because they happened in your country!

I am working with a leading real estate company in Gurgaon for last one year. Work includes litigation, arbitration, contract drafting, and advisory.

Prior to this, I worked with a few startup law firms in the area of dispute resolution.

Do I have any chance of going to Big Law?

Yeah, but CLAT has always pulled stunts like that, hence the shock value has worn out. The exam is also supposed to be aptitude-based (at least in principle), not the culmination of hundreds of hours of prep, so change with months to go is hardly going to affect the quality of those who crack it.

There is truth in what you have said. But it's not historically informed. Before CLAT, there were hardly many aspirants for places beyond NLS, NALSAR and NUJS. Less than 2000-odd folks even for places like NLUJ and NLIU. And even there, most applicants were from within that particular state, like WB for NUJS. So, yeah, they could sustain themselves, but that was more out of compulsion than choice.

And having its own entrance was necessary since most students select the CLAT preferences based on the order/year of establishment. When I took the CLAT, there were many folks who preferred NLIU over NUJS and that was visible even in the merit and allotment lists. NLUD persists with AILET because there is a valid presumption that some uninformed aspirants who tend to seriously choose their law school only after getting a rank, will initially mark preferences based on year of establishment as it appears on the CLAT website, and then NLUD, would be 12th or something since it was formed even after NUALS. This is obviously unfair considering NLUD is way better than nearly all older NLUs.

And I highly doubt that if NLUD joined CLAT, many people would prefer NLIU/NLUJ over it and that this is what scares the admin. Not that the latter two are any worse, but that simply isn't a major concern. Most people who have a choice between NLUD and the other two choose NLUD. Check the AILET allotment for the previous years with names, if you're so keen. And even this year, some 3 folks in the top 100 ranks preferred NLUJ over NLS, does that destroy the image of NLS? I think since NLUD has the ambition to eventually overtake even NLS, they want to avoid a clash of preferences with NLS and NALSAR, and AILET helps to maintain that image. Also, for someone who might have an off-day in CLAT and can't land a top 3/4, an AILET rank could ensure s/he atleast has a good law school to choose from rather than being forced to settle for a tier-2 NLU.

I also don't agree with this whole idea of greed. It's a public institution that pays based on UGC scales and in the past was well-funded by the Delhi government. Holding an entrance exam across the country in various cities, setting a high-standard question paper and ensuring proper invigilation, etc, all costs a lot of money. And for students that do get into NLUD, the admin provides fee waivers based on need, funds all the travel expenses for international/national competitions and the research centres even pay interns. Hell, there's even spilt A/Cs in all the hostel rooms.

Even if NLUD does join the CLAT in the future, I don't think it will suffer much in terms of quality of students, and ideally will be a 2nd or 3rd preference for most.

Founder loves to work everyday. Wants ppl to join who can do the same. Does not want ppl to join who cannot do the above.

Is that simple enough for you to understand? You are sounding like a commissar who regurgitated the virtues of socialism and how we all need fixed employment, fixed hours and fixed salaries.

Both are pretty good in their own right, but one thing to consider is that NUJS is also increasing its batch size by some 50% this year for a new BSc LLB course, so they might struggle with hostel space as well, and living in dorm like hostels at NUJS is way more inconvenient than living at home.

Better to stick to NLUD. Having the opportunity to stay at home is a privilege over 5 years, trust me. And if NLUD manages to build the new hostels before you graduate, you might just get your own room eventually.

Here’s the correct answer: NLUD over NUJS generally, but definitely NUJS over NLUD if you live in Kolkata. Because the comforts of home will make life a lot easier for you.

I say NLUD over NUJS generally because of one simple reason: Mamata Banerjee. In stark contrast with her predecessors (both extremely erudite and one a London-educated barrister who invited Madhava Menon to set up NUJS in the first place) Mamata is an ▮▮▮ who runs a government of rogues that have politicised ▮▮▮ educational institutions across the state. NUJS has also been a victim. You can contrast the governing bodies of NUJS during Left rule (when the country’s top legal and academic luminaries were a part of it) versus now (when it is dominated by mediocre party leaders and politicians).

I dare anyone to counter me on this.

CNLU alum here. If you want to come to CNLU for academics, then please DON'T! A ton of my batchmates made the same mistake, giving up ILS/GLC for the so-called NLU Tag. Idk why CNLU is still classified a tier 2 NLU ahead of NUSRL, TNNLS and the likes, but the scene for corporate placements at CNLU is zilch. Only ICICI Bank offers a half decent pay package, and there is usually a solo offer from a tier 1 every couple of years or so (case in point, you can look up the stats here at https://www.linkedin.com/company/career-development-internship-committee-cdic-cnlu-patna/ and ▮▮▮. No kid from my batch ever made it to T1 firm, atleast till now. It's not as if there's a dearth of talent at CNLU, but the 50% domicile reservation + the extraordinary zeal for govt. job in Bihar (Judiciary, which granted a ton of alums end up clearing, but not by choice, but because they didn't get placed) hinders CNLU from making any significant strides in the placements arena. Please make an informed decision, and don't jump at the sight of an NLU tag. A grad from IIT Tirupati/Palakkad is not an IITian in the sense you'd call someone an IITian from old IITs viz Bom, Del, KGP, etc., right? The same applies to law schools. Please don't choose any NLU below HNLU over GLC. If you'd like to know more about what a ▮▮▮ CNLU is, just ask their recent grads. I know extremely bright kids from my junior batch who have been forced to join w/meagre pay at shit tier firms, or worse forced to prep for judiciary.

Both are idiots. Let market forces decide. The internet has already condemned the movie for being super-cringe and a cheap Hollywood copy.

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/hindu-sena-files-writ-petition-against-adipurush-film-in-delhi-hc-4128272

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/uddhav-camp-fumes-at-makers-for-pedestrian-dialogues-in-adipurush-apologise-to-nation-101686974516968.html

https://www.scoopwhoop.com/humor/12-bad-vfx-scenes-from-adipurush/

https://www.hindustantimes.com/entertainment/bollywood/adipurush-twitter-calls-out-cringe-dialogues-like-lanka-laga-denge-and-jalegi-tere-baap-ki-101686904937886.html

This article shows that Luthra and Luthra’s profit margin were almost 30%

https://www.legallyindia.com/lawfirms/saraf-warned-luthra-corp-profits-might-drop-from-rs-43-cr-post-covid-arcelor-loss-of-rs-42-cr-partner-books-20201106-11753

If SAM and CAM make revenues of around 1000 crores and most of the equity is owned by the

Shroffs as mentioned in the court filings of Shardul Vs Cyril Shroff wouldn’t they each be making close to 300 crores

From the above data, only 42 students received an offer of the average package of more than 10 LPA the rest are getting around 5 to 6 LPA. If u are counting the people who are getting 5 to 6 lpa in placements then u are wrong. 5, 6 lakh per annum wali law firm me koi bhi apne aapko place kar skta hai.

The referred news article comparing salary based on 6 CPC matrix & was last update on Nov. 2015 while currently 7 CPC applied (effective from 2016 to both), means 8yr old article based on old pay. Can you tell me how it is relevent for current discussion?? & btw does article include judges or any like term? If no, than how it is relevent here? After 6 month even the provisional graduation degree or 12th marksheet have no value & you're being a lawyer referring 8 yr old newsarticle based on old pay??? Also civil judges r getting salary according to 2njpc while allowances accr. to 1njpc as the allowa. matter is pending before sc while JAG grades are getting salary+allowance according to 7cpc. So how you compared their allowances???? R u seriously from a law field???

Damm god, utha le re deva ye halat hai law field ka.

Forget about pension & other discussion first can you provide the gross salary detail of Lt. & Civil Judge belong to level 10 grade only??

I might be following a similar path as you. I will join my first Job soon, having similar issues as you. although I am 27-28ish, being a guy with not so huge money dating is still difficult for me, even so with this much age gap issue, I mean I can see myself in your position if I don't do something about it, wish I could have a word with you.

Female : Male Ratio at your college is 5:1 not because firms prefer women to men. There are no gender preferences for women It's because girls have far more GPA, gender preference for girls is only there in some rare exceptions like Samvad/Khimani. Among the big ones, possibly Trilegal.

GPA is used as a preliminary cut off for campus placements. Girls work hard, mug up and get good grades while boys slack off in law school. In some NLU's in Top 10 batch ranks - there are less than 2 to 3 boys. So when GPA is used as a Preliminary screening it's impossible to hire guys. There are no men to hire when GPA is used as a criterion. Replacing GPA as a criteria is hard. A girl getting a GPA of 9 = a Boy getting 8. But this cannot be done as it's discrimination.

This hiring difference doesn't make much difference in the long run because mugging up and getting marks doesn't mean girls hired will last forever in the law firm setting. While men who slacked may end up in Tier 1 firms as they jump (lateral) from Litigation Chambers or T2/T3 law firms to Tier 1 firms, and may even become partners. Men can afford to waste years lateral'ing' as they don't face social pressures. While women quit in more numbers over the years because of the same pressures.

The Court acquitted 35 Hindus in the case while also noting that witnesses from the Muslim community gave different versions of the violence and prolonged the probe.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/godhra-riots-pseudo-secular-media-politicians-police-hindus-gujarat-court

Hello,

My cousin, who is currently in the 11th grade, is preparing for CLAT. During a school foreign universities fair, she recently came across some information about pursuing law in the UK. Could someone please guide me to a website or a LI thread where I can find resources to research how to pursue an LLB in the UK? I would be immensely grateful. Additionally, I would like to know if it is worth pursuing studies there and what opportunities she can expect after graduation.

Thank you.

Not sure about lateral hirings, but it is an open secret across law schools that CAM interviews are a mere formality, with negligible technical component. In the past two years of having been involved with placements of my college and having personal knowledge of the other two in the top 3 NLUs, I'm yet to hear of a single person who was ever rejected in a CAM interview.

So if their lateral process is anything similar, then in all likelihood, you're hired.

However, because of their size and structural bureaucracy, they sometimes tend to take long amounts of time in communicating their results. I'm aware of people who were informed by the partners regarding a PPO recommendation immediately and only received a formal communication from the HR more than six months later.

If you're aware that the partner likes you, then my advice would be to keep following up with the partner rather than the overworked/incompetent HR.

Is it the same as in this previous LI thread

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/226097-Is-it-possible-to-change-your-team-in-a-law-firm-especially-at-Trilegal-

The link which you've shared was last updated in 2015 means prior 7 cpc than how it justified current scenerio & it only compare with AIS not with judges, than how asumpation draw w.r.t to judges?

Also you are saying to compare with peace station candidates OK. I am sharing you the OFFICIAL pdf link where JAG / other military officers perks & allowances given

(https://utilities.cept.gov.in/dop/pdf/fileuploads/ECE_APS_5631.pdf)

Also sharing the JAG official job advertisnment

(https://joinindianarmy.nic.in/writereaddata/Portal/NotificationPDF/NOTIFICATION_FOR_JAG_ENTRY_SCHEME_31__OCT_2023_.pdf)

According to it unform salary & allowances to JAG officers (taking level 10) -

Basic : Rs. 56,100

DA : Rs. 23,562 (42% currently)

MSP : Rs. 15,500

Ration : Rs. 2936 (only paid in peace area)

Dress Allowance : Rs. 1667

Gross (monthly) - Rs. 99,765

Note :

1. These are common emoluments (except ration) paid to all irrespective of posting either in peace or non-peace station.

2. Reason for higher than counterpart ias/ips the msp, dress & ration allwn not paid to AIS grdes.

2. Source link already shared

Now CIVIL JUDGES at same level (taking only uniform) (Source NJPC*)

Basic : Rs. 77,840

DA : Rs. 32,693 (42% in all state)

Medical : Rs. 1K (minimum)

Robe Allowance : Rs. 1K (minimum)

Sumptuary allowances : Rs. 1,500

Gross (monthly) : Rs. 1.14L

Note :

1. For salary have taken 2njpc & allowances 1njpc (because current njpc allowances are pending)

2. There are other uniform cash allowances too but not taken because it was enough for compare.

P.S.:

1. Readout again the TOI link, reason has been given why perks were above than AIS grade.

Thanks

"It’s the only college capable of sustaining itself separated from CLAT"

I guess you are too young to remember that 12-13 years ago (before CLAT) all NLUs (which were operational then) had their own entrance exam and all of them were thriving. Then a concerted effort by students and a couple of NGOs led to the creation of CLAT after a court order.

NLUD was being created around this time and Ranveer Singh was the first VC. He calculated that it would be helpful to have a different exam as NLUD was unknown at the time and it would have ranked no. 8 or 9 in the preference list of the students if it was to be part of CLAT (as we have seen the initial ranks get ossified and rarely changes massively). Also, AILET gave a nice boost to income for the uni, he also publicly declared at the time that all NLUs had profited from their own entrance exam in the formative years to build a corpus and that chance should not be taken away from NLUD.

Shamnad Basheer decided that NLUD should be make party to the order and he was pursuing it around 2012, but other events took place and this was never pursued, and AILET survived.

Even last year when NLUD participated in the CLAT meeting as an observer there was a consensus that they might join in 2023 but it seems that talks failed recently and Bajpai decided to forge it alone. Two things happened 1) FM was ejected from the CLAT scene, 2) In Bajpai, NLUD has found someone who has excellent network to resist the pressures from CLAT consortium

So, it is more due to a series of coincidences and the continued greed of NLUD admin that AILET has survived, rather than any other factors. Although we may also argue that there is a continued fear amongst the NLUD stakeholders that the CLAT aspirants may put it after NLIU/NLUJ and that would be disastrous for the image cultivated by NLUD.

No. Not late. Ira Trivedi is your age and got married a couple of days ago. However, unfortunately, we live in a patriarchal and racist society (worldwide) where looks matter (fair skin, slim build, sharp features) and so the likes of Ira Trivedi are never short of suitors. You say that you are not attractive looking. That is, sadly, a problem for 99% of men. I hope you get lucky and end up with someone from the 1%.

I wouldn't recommend using dating sites.

You should ideally aim for the 35-45 age category, who will not be found here, rather meet them in office/ functions/ ask your friends for someone they know/ maybe ask some sensible relative/ look at some guys from your parents' choice prolly.

On a lighter note, Also, even younger guys do crave for older women so.....if you find them attractive give the Under 30s a chance I guess, you will find many.....

its the same for ALL tier 1 firms, in fact all. And not just law firms, im seeing this trend in other professions as well, girls getting in through "referrals". girls in 3rd and 4rth yr of my college are exclusively given internships at so many places, even if I have a better rank, more experience. Ofcourse, they never got good feedback. Some did but [-]