Dear LI community.

Due to popular long-running demand and dissatisfaction with the speed of our moderation, we have mixed and opened things up a little as an experiment.

Many thanks to @AshReh, @TheLord, @(Tier-1 NLU), @TroubledLawyer and @waqeel (in alphabetical order), for volunteering in this recent threadfor the (hopefully not) thankless and tough task of mainting a semblance of decorum on LI 🎉

All of their accounts have been upgraded to moderator status, which means they will now have considerable power and responsibility in the LI microcosm, subject to ultimate moderation by our regular mod @LegallyIndia. We have posted some more details in the following thread, which should only be accessible to moderators): https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/277177-welcome-new-mods-lets-talk-moderation-and-community

And if others are interested in volunteering, please let us know in this thread (after having signed up anonymously with your username) - we will likely be shuffling the numbers of moderators around in the coming weeks to find a team that gels well. In the meantime, due to the moderation system, posts will likely get published faster but may sometimes also get unpublished or also get locked for a while.

Good luck, god speed and ❤️! Please let us know how it goes 🧿

Dear @AshReh, @TheLord, @(Tier-1 NLU), @TroubledLawyer and @waqeel (in alphabetical order), thank you again for volunteering for the thankless (except from us) and tough task of mainting a semblance of decorum on LI 🎉.

We have upgraded all your accounts to moderator status, which means that you will now have considerable power and responsibility in the LI microcosm. We have posted some more details in the following thread, which should only be accessible to moderators): https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/277177-welcome-new-mods-lets-talk-moderation-and-community

Good luck and god speed, please let us know how it goes 🧿

This is just a cheap excuse that people who flunked AILET like to tell themselves. That there was some conspiracy to keep them out. AILET has had far lesser scams than CLAT, if any. And the rise of NLUD clearly evidences that AILET has done its job as far as student quality goes.

Read FEMA regulations and rules and notifications and circulars available on RBI website first. Thats your key. Many CAs / CSs have videos on youtube teaching FEMA. You can find lot of such reading material on websites of such CAs. Read anything available online and look for the relevant regs and cross link it and understand. This way you'll know what you read is actually the law.

Reading of commentaries on FEMA will also help. It's an ocean so be ready for a long journey.

Remember one key thing

Current A/c Transaction - everything is allowed unless specifically prohibited

Capital A/c Transaction - everything is prohibited unless specifically allowed.

Guesses by media and Twitter so far:

- UCC

- One Nation One Election

- Women's Reservation Bill

- Removal of Kashi and Mathura from Places of Worship Act

- 7 new seats in Los Sabha for PoK

What's your guess?

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/news/national/special-session-of-parliament-from-sept-17-22/article67255245.ece

Hello. Having recently joined Indus Law Bangalore office as an A0, I wanted to ask if law firms have inter-office transfer policy? As my family resides in Mumbai, I'm curious to know if there is a possibility for me to transfer offices from indus blr to indus mumbai (and after how much time is it okay to ask this to the HR). I would greatly appreciate insights from any seniors or individuals familiar with the firm's transfer process.

Hey buddy, I am an NUJS grad currently working with a tier 1 law firm.

First of all, congratulations on making it to NLIU. Now as I understand from what you have written, your concern for asking this question seems like you just want to get placed at the end of your law school. I am sorry to disappoint you on this, but I believe you are too young right now to think so strenuously about it. I have several friends from NLIU currently working with me at the same position that I am, and I can tell you for a fact that these guys are no less than me. I know for a fact that corporate culture and placement numbers are higher at NUJS, but I also understand that a significant number of people are getting placed at good places from NLIU as well. I would suggest you think properly about this and clarify it in your head why you want to switch. If your only concern is to get placed at the end of your law school (which I believe is a decision to be made after exploring a little), I would suggest to not waste another year in preparing for CLAT, instead focus on your academics at NLIU only. However, if there are other reasons as well and also the fact that you are from Kolkata, NUJS is definitely worth the salt. Perhaps, talk to a few 4th-5th year seniors from your college who could tell you better about placement scenes at NLIU. Hope this helps!

Many NLSIU and NALSAR alumni have commented on LI threads too since the platform started. So you should refrain from commenting any further, going by your logic. What this person has done is still special because only a handful of Indian law grads manage to do that. If you can't acknowledge that, then that's entirely a You problem.

The difference between any LI thread talking about NLS (and to some extent NLUD or Jindal), as compared to any thread talking about any other NLU, is that all the former threads try to hype about their superiority over other institutes or make claims about their supposed greatness. On the other hand, in no thread talking about NALSAR, NUJS, NLUJ, GNLU, I have never come across such hyperbole, arrogance or superiority complex. Most of those only talk about good things are happening at the universities or by their alumni. That is the main reason why the former threads attract counter comments, while the latter attract mostly trolling from people not even veiled as criticism.

Hi. Does the firm get to know when you buy a stock? I'm not insider trading or anything. The value of the shares I'm considering purchasing is very small as well. The process to seek approval seems too cumbersome that's all. Is there any way that the firm can directly access our DMAT details from any depository?

Dear Gobar (hereinafter referred to as "Not-Your-Real-Name"),

Greetings from the land of green rookies and life's perpetual students. I trust this missive finds you luxuriating in Bhopal's embrace. You see, as my freshly minted degree attests, I'm still a novice navigating this thing called life. Now, you may be told by well-meaning, glassy-eyed optimists that "everything will be okay." Such a phrase, I find, translates almost perfectly into "Not-Your-Real-Name."

That 'cream of the corporate' you seek is nothing but a cheap lubricant that your eventual boss/partner/senior/client is eagerly waiting to liberally apply on you (or yours) for every misstep and blunder you make in your romantic ballet of errors. But fret not! Over time, this grotesque lubrication might just become your brand of moisturizer. You'll grow accustomed to its slick sheen, perhaps even find a perverse sort of enjoyment in it. Soon enough, you'll be brandishing your workaholism like a badge of minor honor before your non-lawyerly acquaintances. "Behold," you'll declare, "how thoroughly I've acclimated to my pitiable yet oddly comforting grind!"

As for your feelings of unbelonging at NILU Bhopal, let me offer a modicum of hard-earned wisdom: Rush not toward judgment. The existential boat you find yourself on—be it a yacht, a dinghy, or a rusting submarine—will in due course reveal the fundamental pointlessness or, dare I say, the dizzying complexity of everything and nothing. And perhaps, just perhaps, that will become the cosmic joke you needed all along.

Yours in shared existential folly

KLE is a great college; however, it is affiliated with KSLU. I don't study at KLE myself, but being under KSLU, I can attest to its terrible reputation. The exams are fairly easy, and the syllabus is quite good. The syllabus, along with the way exams are structured, expects you to thoroughly understand the law. Additionally, KSLU places significant emphasis on learning the practicalities of the law. A substantial part of the syllabus comprises practical training subjects such as ADR, moot courts, internships, and court visits. Students are expected to shadow advocates, maintain diaries of their work at law offices, keep a court diary, and have a case diary (where they follow a specific case, attend hearings, and record arguments and such). KSLU has a strong focus on litigation.

The problem with KSLU is that they do not carefully evaluate your answers. Evaluation at KSLU is subpar, and not many students pass on their first attempt. In fact, the pass percentage is so low that no student expects to clear all their papers in one go. However, most students who initially fail end up passing after re-evaluation. It's not impossible, and many students do pass all their papers in the first attempt, but succeeding requires much more than just writing well. Moreover, since it's a state university, there are administrative issues to deal with such as delays in announcing exam dates, making it challenging to plan internships.

This is not meant to discourage you. Students at universities affiliated with KSLU are still succeeding. You just need to put in a bit more effort compared to NLU students. NLS is a great option if you can afford it, but remember that their 3-year program is new (only in its second year). You're better off choosing a college with a strong alumni network and a well-established program. Just ensure that whatever college you choose has excellent administration and a robust support system. KSLU is already challenging to deal with, so don't add a bad college to the mix.

Times Now coverage:

https://twitter.com/TimesNow/status/1697092415536951751

Text of letter:

https://twitter.com/AilajHq/status/1696158344120082631

J Sai Deepak has been given a lot of space in both the mainstream and digital media, plus invited to speak at reputed law NLUs like NALSAR and NUJS. This is the first time I am seeing a protest asking him to be uninvited. The implications could be interesting. It could snowball into a wider protest where he is cancelled across NLUs, or it could also result in a backlash if right-wing students demand that certain voices within the left also be cancelled.

For background, the AILAJ is affiliated with the CPIM-ML (not to be confused with the CPI-M) and was recently in the news for opposing the entry of foreign law firms in India. The main person behind the AILAJ is their Secretary-General Clifton D'Rozario, a former associate of Lawrence Liang at the Alternative Law Forum and an activist opposed to the Narmada dam.

https://thewire.in/law/ailaj-bar-council-liberalise-indian-legal-sector

https://ailaj.wordpress.com/

Anywhere NUJS people sharing alumni's or students' success, trolls have a problem. NUJS grads don't accuse other law school grads for that, because they know that trolls are responsible for such actions, not actual hardworking students from NLSIU, NALSAR, NLUD, NLUJ or anywhere else. I would suggest that you take a leaf out of their book and behave wisely.

It looks like this kind of reactive litigation by J P Morgan is happening in the US too.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11592377/amp/US-Virgin-Islands-AG-fired-just-days-sued-JPMorgan-Chase.html

https://www.change.org/p/barack-obama-attorney-general-loretta-lynch-hold-jp-morgan-chase-accountable-for-violation-of-my-human-rights-by-way-of-criminal-activities-during-and-after-the-wrongful-termination-of-my-employment-and-the-unlawful-4-week-containment-and-unwarranted-2

Could someone please shed some light on the work culture at Link Legal, Delhi? I am starting out in the profession and would appreciate any input. Which partners are decent and which ones should be avoided? Is there good mentoring and an opportunity to learn? Also, is it as hectic as a T1 or relatively better? Thank you.

Like most people, I use shared passwords for Netflix. I don't see any point in paying as it is too expensive for middle-class people like us and a lot of the content is crap. However, in the past few days, I am unable to access Netflix using shared passwords. So has Netflix blocked password sharing? Are you able to access Netflix?

If so, it's disgusting and we should #BoycottNetflix. The movies and shows have become rubbish anyway.

It is not 'necessary'. People who have cleared with, as well as, without coaching (and some have not cleared with the coaching too, as is obvious).

If you want to clear without the coaching - you will have to take a lot of responsibility. You will have to make your own schedules, set deadlines, and ensure you bridge the gap yourself between self-study and coaching.

Many people make self-study work, but they certainly have to take a more active approach towards the exam, because no one is conducting tests for them regularly or giving them notes. A lot has to be done on your own. But as i said, people have cracked DJS without coaching, you will just have to put that extra effort into studying + strategising for the exam yourself.

It is always best to talk to someone who has cleared the exam one-on-one. Get real advice, practical advice that you can use from successful candidates directly. Ask them what sources they used, how did they structure their preparation, etc.

Basically - Have people done it without coaching? Yes. But did they have to work harder in the absence of a coaching setup? Also, yes.

https://www.news18.com/world/anybody-that-says-im-the-best-trump-lauds-indian-american-gop-rival-vivek-ramaswamy-8557986.html

Trump is way ahead in the Republican polls, which is why this statement matters.

No, it's you who is too bad a human being so as to troll a successful woman lawyer instead of celebrating her success. There are many NUJS alumni who are doing great in the international arena. One fails to see as to why one would have to mention the whole list every time one has to highlight an individual achievement. Maybe you should stop trolling and start achieving something worthwhile on your own.

He didn't ask which practice area they want to "leverage", just wanted a PPO.

And to answer this, DO NOT take CAM. They give the offer letters too late and you will be in constant agitation until you hear your offer is retracted. Cam also doesnt pay enough for its shit work culture.

By all means, Indus. But I do not know how easy it is to get one at Indus as I seldom hear peeps doing so. But if they do, offer letters are given and no retraction.

Yup. Pretty much sums it up.

To add more context, here’s the law firm play book -

- attract naive college kids with a 1 lakh package - sounds a lot but when you start living on your own in big cities, you realise it’s not a that much.

- dazzle them with fancy offices, idea of prestige of working at a big brand, working with big companies etc but make them to do clerical work so their exit opportunities are hampered

- create a sense of fear and create a competitive environment where everyone is competing for limited spots and now colleagues won’t hesitate to backstab each other

- tell them how there is serious competition in the market where everyone is undercutting each other fees so they have to work harder (read: work till 4am in the morning and say bye bye to weekends)

- make them work late nights for such long periods, they are now in sleep deprivation mode where their cognitive ability to take rational balanced decisions slowly fades away and they are okay indulging in petty office activities

- make them so tired and exhausted, all lawyers want at the end of the week is a quick relief - where they end up getting hooked to ordering fancy food during late nights(thinking heys it’s on client tab so why not), drinking expensive wine and now they can’t leave the profession cos a normal job won’t financially sustain their self destructive habits

So at the end of the day, (in the initial years) you have mostly due diligence experience with limited exposure to drafting/ negotiation of the main documents and your exit opportunities are seriously hampered. You think to yourself - you can’t go anywhere outside the limited circle, and you’re getting paid decent, so you tell yourself better to stick to the hellhole for a bit longer and not think about the future now.

Disclaimer: This is a slightly pessimistic view on law firms. Obviously not every team is like this. Some teams have better culture, and usually in smaller teams partners care more about their associates and have a healthy humane interaction with their juniors. But basis the way most big law firms are structured and function (massive team sizes), most partners/ seniors don’t have an incentive to be humane considering the insane work load, long hours and competition within law firms.

You can find a list of blog articles focusing on this exactly through YLCC.

https://www.yourlegalcareercoach.com/top-5-law-firms-in-jaipur-for-legal-internships/

Its a small list (just chose one random city. Please do your own searches accordingly). You can also do what others generally do. There are tons of websites that list the T1,2,3,4,5 and bla bla rankings. Find out their names and then their office locations accordingly.

"It also came to light that owing to certain developments on campus, the deceased was intimated about being debarred from appearing for the placement exam" says bar and bench https://www.barandbench.com/amp/story/news/final-year-hnlu-student-found-dead-in-washroom-administration-silent-on-incident

Honestly, I think you should always the switch. NLIU has a massive domicile and other reservations even for the BA LLB so I doubt the quality of students will be so much better than the ones at NUJS’ BSc LLB. But it’s a hard decision. Best is to retake CLAT and upgrade properly.

Leaving your current work situation and joining a Tier 1 is like joining a suicide mission.You have a life and good retainer, why do you want to throw it away for a Tier 1firms stupid tag which is worth nothing but will destroy your life?Anyone in Tier 1 will trade places with you within a second.There are lawyers leaving Tier 1 so that they can have time to breathe.

I recently joined a T1 law firm in Mumbai and I saw this very cute guy in the orientation sessions, I tried to get closer to him but in vain. After our induction, I keep seeing him during lunch everyday, try to give him a little hints by making eye contact, smiling at him. He is not retaliating though as such, he is chummy with everyone and chats with the whole lunch room except me. I know this is a little off topic, but I hope he notices me someday. Any tips? Also is it a bad idea to date a law firm colleague? We are different teams though.

I am dying here, everyday during lunch I am just flustered and constantly thinking about it.

Hello folks - Govardhan (not my real name) here. I took clat this year after 6 months gap and received NLIU Bhopal. I didn’t mind the college at first but after coming here I was genuinely homesick at first. I thought it would be solved and I also felt (which turned out to be a misconception ofc) that the placements at both Nujs and Bhopal are roughly the same. Boy I was wrong. Nujs has a much more interesting and unique corporate culture while nliu folks are not just at it. Our latest placement (talking about nliu here) report (which somehow I came across seniors) shows let alone the LinkedIn announcements. My frnds at Nujs are already oriented towards the corporate cream by their seniors (no cap). I am a Kolkata boy (don’t have a domicile) and I targeted Nujs this attempt which I missed by 1.75 marks. In fact I wanted the college so bad that after NLS in my preference list I filled up Nujs as my second choice instead of nalsar (don’t raise your eyebrows).

Now after not receiving Nujs , I was hella upset. That’s why before coming to nliu I already started prepping for clat again and now only 2 months to go. I want Nujs so bad that my preference list is exactly the same as of last attempt.

Now my only point or rather question is - should I join the Bsc llb course at Nujs and then continue retaking clat or should I stick to ballb here (which I am managing just fine , not compromising anything here btw) and stick to my plan of retaking clat? I guess ballb at nliu is still a better option than Bsc Nujs huh? Kindly help

Then how is it sexual harassment? The girls are clearly laughing about it (including Hermoso) and they are poking fun and teasing. I'm sorry, but we need to stop automatically presuming a man's guilt in SH cases.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uz-HP2fvBI

It's not a lobby as much as it's about what professors want to teach. From my experience what I see is a lot of professors who want to teach human rights-related courses join Jindal. Many corporate lawyers who could teach you those subjects don't usually join Jindal because the pay is not as good as what law firms pay and no one really wants to come to Sonepat.

It's really a supply-demand issue rather than a lobby. People who know the job-oriented courses don't really join the college to teach.

Hi,

Can anyone tell me the difference between Project finance vs proj infrastructure teams and their work?

Also, why is projects team hated so much like in previous threads? Because I feel that projects team may include m&a, financing, advisory, disputes, different and variety of contracts.

Also, should one shift from real estate to project finance or project infra since I find real estate work which is title dd very boring and feel that it requires no brain and makes you dumb?

Will be grateful.

It’s been two years since I joined a T1 and I have come to realise that these places are a repository of medicore people who will probably not survive outside for a hot second. I say this because seldom do great things happen when people around you or you yourself for that matter are self absorbed and find joy one upping your peers over petty stuff.

Most lawyers in tier 1s (irrespective of practice area) are glorified clerks who probably will do great as a PA because they write great mails. Their law is below average because there is no push to do better. The system thrives on fear and not on bettering or anything. Because if they don’t make you fear then you’ll leave them. They thrive on killing your confidence so that you come to think that’s it’s safer to stay than to try anything new.

There is a reason perhaps why none of the toppers each year from top law schools will literally choose anything else over law firms. Anyone who has stayed here beyond a few years will be medicore and be happy over perhaps winning some Lex Lehsun award (which they in all probability paid for).

2023 grad here from a state university.

Working in a law firm, right after graduating. However, it has a strict WFO model, with alternative Saturdays working. The work environment is rather chill, not much workload. The pay good for freshers, however, I am not a localite, hence I have to stay in a rented accommodation here. I am looking for any places that give permanent wfh or at least hybrid working so I can be at home and take care of family.

Any leads would be appreciated.

In the past 10 days, the India Today-CVoter poll, the Times Now-ETG poll and the India TV-CNX poll have all predicted a comfortable majority for Modi. Some of these polls are even being generous to the opposition and assuming that conflicting parties within the INDIA alliance, such as the TMC and the CPIM, will contest together, which we know will not be the case. So, it's looking pretty good for Modi. Assuming the trend holds, what will this mean for the economy, law firms and law schools? I think these will be some key questions:

1. Will Adani and Ambani stocks boom? Will law firms advising them and people investing in them benefit the most?

2. Will more investment be pumped into Gujarat and will other law firms open offices there?

3. Will legal sector liberalisation and foreign law firm entry go ahead? Or could CAM-Adani exercise a veto?

4. Will NLUs in BJP states, especially GNLU and NLU Prayagraj, receive more funding?

Being robbed at knife-point – or in my rather unique case, screwdriver-point – is an experience few can boast of, and even fewer would want to. On one not-so-magical night, while attempting to return from a day spent jousting in the courts, I vividly recall my encounter with Bombay's infamous 'gardullas' as I made my way back from a tiring session of courtly endeavors to my modest sanctuary in 'Nalla Sopara'. I was nestled in the bosom of my beloved first-class compartment, which on that particular evening, was suspiciously empty. Most days, these coaches are so full they seem on the brink of a dramatic explosion. But that night? It was like attending a funeral for an unpopular relative – eerily quiet and no one you’d recognize.

The hour was encroaching upon the witching time, and the lack of the usual hustle in the coach made my spider-senses twitch. As the train trundled into Mira Road station, I spied a motley crew of gentlemen who looked as if they'd been rehearsing for a heist scene in a B-grade movie. Their poised readiness to board felt like I had an audience awaiting my next move. Trusting my instincts, I sprang to my feet and hastily disembarked, seeking refuge in the adjacent, reasonably populated general compartment.

The universe seemed to smile as I snagged a window seat. Across from me sat three seemingly worn-out souls, whom I mused were just returning from their 9 to 9 grind. Yet, just as I began crafting a heartfelt narrative about these diligent men, Naigaon approached and the plot twisted. One began a loving dance with my wristwatch, another serenaded my phone into his pocket, and the pièce de résistance? The third presented his rusty screwdriver, perhaps thinking I needed a bit of DIY in my life. Their ballet of theft was so swift, it deserved a standing ovation.

As they exited stage left with grace and alacrity, I was left, not with anger, but with an appreciation for their flair. There I was, amidst an audience of weary travelers, pondering the artistry of my own personal pocket-theatre, staged by hardworking men in search of a different kind of payday.