I am a 2023 graduate from a not so great private college, first gen lawyer. I tried getting into good/decent law firms but after a few interviews and multiple mails ghosted by HRs I joined an Advocates office because"kab tak ghar pe baithi rhti". This place is proper proper civil litigation....not what I had expected. The team is not so great either with 6 juniors who have joined in the past one month and the seniors who also don't have much experience. NO pay for 3 months (probation).

I want to get out of this but how and where I still don't know. Please guide.

P.S- I am willing to surrender my bci registration for an in-house role as well

You work at Tier 1 Saraf that broke away from Luthra.You know what kind of politics,back stabbing and lies happen at a Tier 1 .You are still driving youreself to depression thinking that you might have got this bonus at Trilegal?Thats just imagination of a perfect life or career which no bloody "guaranteed" bonus can give. How can you possibly believe in any announcements of Tier1s words when you know what Tier1s are like.For years CAM used to put out such PRs about its greatness.Today everyone knows what CAM is.If Trilegal is doing this now its probably some sham just like the CAM PRs.

Hello everyone, I am a 3rd year student from non-nlu and looking for some potential places to intern. I've had good exposure in l civil and commercial litigation and looking to exploring Gen Corp/M&A among others on the Corp side. Any suggestions would be highly appreciated. Location - Mumbai.

Seems like the student body blames additional surveillance and policing within campus for the same. https://twitter.com/leojarvis_/status/1694381398113857774?s=20

Looks like NLS is going on the way of Jiggles. The high fees are very exclusionary to the middle-class only , leave the downtrodden. While certain scholarship requirements are present, most scholarship criteria (not at just NLS) require high grades , extra curriculars etc which large section of students (eg first gen lawyers) won't have. Financial waivers will be mostly contingent to repayment ensuring more students move to corporate law (can't blame them).

NLS thrived before due to it's small batch size, super competitive selection process and the ability of students to learn and explore the law. Having a large batch size gives out a lot more challenges and this can already been seen why recruitment figures have been withheld.

Review Commissions, IDIA Student Diversity Reports etc before have already shown light on the lack of diversity in NLS and other problems like drugs. Hope the new Review Commission puts everything in a new light.

Someone please initiate an independent enquiry into this. Do not leave this to the highly insensitive and ▮▮▮ HNLU admin. They’ve already started suppressing this by declaring a 10-day or so mourning and sending back every student away from the campus. The current lot of students there need to take a strong stance. I request that you do not bow down this time. Things cannot continue like this. The Vice-Chancellor and ▮▮▮ need to be kicked out. ▮▮▮

Wth is this? NLS has already had domicile quota and batches have already been admitted under it. There is no going back on that so where is this "truly national" argument even coming from? If anything, NLUD is the only remaining NLU without domicile and is actually located in the national capital (and who knows how long that will last).

The placements at christ specifically was sparse at best from what I've heard, They rode high on the post covid and have now faced reality. There is practically no return on the apparent strict corporate rigour they put you through for five years so that barely qualified individuals parading to be professors can be palatable. There are other reasons not to choose the college too, all of which wont even fit into this post. You cant expect better from a college which is hated by its own alumni even 10 years after passing. Do yourself a favour and do a course on playing ludo instead of doing law here.

Everything is already robbed there bro. I have heard that the University tried to conduct their University intra-moot rounds and apparently the moot problem was directly plagiarized from some college in Maharashtra. If this is true then that college should actually put this out in social media saying that the Harvard of the East has actually plagiarized their moot problem.

pls I learnt that BMS couldn't even conduct exams in covid and so now the students are writing the exams along with their current exams. So, they had to give the current years exams along with the previous years.

Source of information: students of BMS who I was cointerning with.

Update: The Country Director of Sodexo and other senior executives flew down and met with the students today. The following measures have been promised:

- Thorough review

- Deep cleaning and sanitisation

- Installation of CCTV and action against the employee filmed by the students (not clear if he will be sacked: the pro-human rights students/faculty want him to stay while others want him to be sacked immediately)

Insider here. 3+ years, left recently. What do you want to know? Nothing very positive to share. I can summarise by saying that moving to JSA is like going in-house. Sometimes you will have better WLB than a place like Tri legal etc.. but you will be taking a massive paycut. Gurgaon leadership has spent last two years fighting about office space, finances, client referrals, conflict checks etc. Jyoti doesn't intervene anymore so it is a sad mess. Excom is made up of people who are tasked with cutting costs only. Pay scale not changed in 7-8 years so you will be making very less money. They have to resort to hiring poor talent because the good ones have good jobs at better paying firms.

Dogs all over the college are effectively ruling with impunity, biting and generally messing up the girls hostel and basically any walkable space on campus.

IMO start making videos of the people who feed these dogs, generally don't want dogs gone from campus and hold them liable (in accordance with the court order) in case anyone gets bitten, as many many already have.......

Nivedita Sen, NUJS 2013 grad, Cambridge LL.M. and a PhD holder from Graduate Institute Geneva, has just joined the World Economic Forum as Initiatives Lead for Institutional Governance, after having worked earlier for WEF as Lead, Global Health and Healthcare Industries for over a year. Sen has prior experience working for WTO, Linklaters, Centre for International Trade and Economic Laws and Argus. She has also served as a Graduate Teaching Assistant at GGI earlier and as the editor of the Cambridge Journal of International and Comparative Law. It's nice to see a bright, young Indian lawyer doing such good work in the global arena at a relatively young age.

Title only. Somehow I have landed up in a team which houses a Nepo baby. Ofc they are being marked on the best matters, given leeway to work from home city, being asked about how their fam (read dad’s been doing). Idc about all of this. But I do care when they are tagged with me on a matter and are MiA through and through giving subpar work (which adds to my workload) but in the end the partner discusses the draft with them.

If you have had a nepo baby in your team/ workplace, how did you counter it and made sure your works coming in notice and a waste of space is not hogging the limelight.

NLSIU decided to take the mandate of organizing the intra-university moot from the Mooting Court Society aiming to effectively conduct the rounds in a "fair and transparent" manner. Faculty advisors were assigned to oversee the same.

Apart from the problem being delayed a day late by the University, it turns out that they had plagiarized the problem from Dr. Annasaheb G.D.Bendale Memorial 16th National Moot Court Competition 2023 organized by S. S. Maniyar Law College, Jalgaon. A Turnitin plagiarism report shared by a student on University mailing list indicated "Similarity Index" of 86%.

For more details, reach out to your connections in NLSIU :)

As far as the financial aspects are concerned I already agreed with you.

Pardon me if I came off harsh, but that was not my intention. And could you please elaborate on what OP is? I'm not good at abbreviations.

Apart from money being the primary reason to do an MBA another reason is sheer prestige that is unquantifiable. The hardships too are unquabtifiable.

As far as the packages are concerned I don't see a reason why a top foreign MBA candidate won't be hired in India for the same package. But as I already mentioned one can't expect NY level compensation in Gurgaon.

Dear 2026 grad, here's some serious advice,

Focus on your grades, and pick a subject to develop expertise(whether new or old, doesn't matter, all practice areas money at different times in the cycle ).

But more importantly, travel, read novels and everything else under the sun, do some sport or gym, get high, laugh and cry with your friends, pick a hobby and explore yourself, because once gone, college life doesn't happen again.

You'll be enough, you'll do good, you'll make your parents proud.

He worries before his time, worries twice. - maybe seneca

Ever since Gurgaon appointed that finance head ex com lady it has been hell for the whole firm. Canceled retreats, shit increment, no band raise, crap bonus. EPs stand around gossipping about her all day long but can't take a stand where it matters? Spineless. Great time for Trilegal's HR to swoop in and pick up everyone who's angry at these increments

This comes at a time when the student led Moot Court Society is dissolved and the admin has taken it upon themselves to organise the University Rounds. Furthermore, these University Rounds are scheduled for a time when students have their course-specific in-class assignments, research papers and moots. If the MCS was still in place it would have taken all the student concerns into account but this is not being done. This is just a follow-up to the general trend of no student consultation in forming committees, reducing common spaces, putting cameras across campus (read PDA spots), restricting student life and activities on campus and killing the already non-existent social life on campus. All is not good at the Harvard of the East.

P.S: They plagiarised it from SS Maniyar Law College, Jalgaon.

Good place to go and learn and then leave. There is no real teams concept so no specialization at all. Corporate team will do corporate, banking, advisory, regulatory everything. They have no fixed career paths or no clear path to partnership. Good to get general work, learn and then look for T1 opportunities or in house roles. Real estate work is very good though.

"Mere hours that an associate spends on a matter is not correspondent to the billing the firm receives from a client." - Tf? First of all what does "correspondent to the billing" even means? Do you even know the meaning of the word correspondent? Nice show of your "real brains and creativity and energy". The amount of billing a firm receives from a client IS VERY MUCH COMMENSURATE with the number of hours worked on a matter. Where the firm charges a lump sum, you always end up determining how many hours you are going to dedicate to the matter so that the hourly rate for the lump sum matter also ends up being the same as if it was not a lump sum matter.

While I agree it is the partner who speaks/meets/advises the promoters, but at least in my experience, what my partners expect from me is TO ADVISE THEM with all the actions that can be taken and they would then decide/finalize what to do.

"I can get my steno of 30 years to do the same thing that the associate does and he/she will do it far better." - Lol then do that. "Correspondent" to the amount that you will pay an associate vs what you will pay to the steno, you will be more richer.

"never try and assume the genius and success of your senior as your own." - the same thing applies to you. Let me rephrase it for you - never try and assume the genius and success of your Firm's Brand Name as your own.

Matter of fact you guys have an inflatable ego. The moment someone starts spilling facts, you Batch- bearers are laid bare. I introspected for a while and realized that stereotypes are going to stay regardless who/what you are. People wouldn't stop favoring you guys regardless your incompetency and they wouldn't notice us, regardless our struggles. There's no point fighting over this issue, and this thread isn't helping anyone either.

Ohh yes btw, they finally hired a ▮▮▮

If you want to get into litigation go for any college which you think as best. College doesn't matter in litigation. And in Bengaluru almost all colleges are Affiliated to KSLU(Karnataka State Law University) their valuation system is worst. They have very low passing percentage, if possible go for autonomous law college or private Universities to pursue 3yr LLB in Bengaluru.

it is not the same to say that dalits should be given equal space and rights (which all the Bengali writers inlcuding Rabindranath clearly articlulated) as to write about the dalit experience (Abhagir swarga by Saratchandra or the lived writings of Byapari)

Can you provide a list of essays or short stories of Tagore where he did an indepth dive into the lives of a primary character who comes from dalit community (outside the chaturvarna), please dont say that there werent dalits in Bengal then (this was debunked by scholars in early 60s)

BTW I again reiterate that Rabindranath is one of the greatest poets in India, I am merely trying to highlight that there were some lacunae in his writings (as is always expected - I cannot ask Nazrul to write a Western cowboy novel)

Lol, name one professor in commercial or company law in India that produces as fantastic research as BS Chimni or Upendra Baxi and the like? It is not that the non-commercial law professors (coming to human rights point in a bit) have a strong lobby, it is that law firm partners and senior advocates produce really shoddy pieces in the name of research which would never fly in a top journal. Their academic merit is seriously questionable. This is unlike places like US, Europe, Singapore etc. where commercial law people, including judges regularly publish in top journals - something that is unimaginable in India. Just look at big law firm people publishing in Harvard Law Review and the like - ask a law firm associate to write something for it and they will shit their pants.

Now, coming to the 'influential lobby of HUMAN RIGHTS professors' point. The fact that you created a dichotomy of commercial law and human rights is telling, right? How corporate law produces inequality and hierarchy is something you will not get by reading tech law or finance law. There is no human rights vs. commercial law, there is only human rights AND commercial law; they are not mutually exclusive, unlike your spurious dichotomy might suggest. So, you have to come out of your tiny hole.

If you are so concerned about the funding - where is the private sector funding? Why do law firms not fund chairs which pay so much that Cyril bhai wants to become a professor? Non-commercial law professors are less motivated by money than commercial law people (otherwise they would have opted for other careers), so let the law firms and big tech companies establish exceptionally well-paid chair professorships. Perhaps even the great commercial law professors in institutions abroad might want to come and work in India. Would work well for everyone involved, including the students, university, teachers and the country as a whole.

Bro which firm. I will happily apply there. Tier 1 Law firms - expectation is to be available for work till 9pm. Usually days finish at around 11pm - 1 am, if it’s bad, then 4-5am.

You might find a good partner / team, but hours won’t change. The flexibility and peace of mind you have - won’t be compensated by big firm money. Unless you really want the extra money or really want to have that Tier 1 badge, don’t apply because then you’ll have to forget you have a life.

NLSIU Bengaluru domicile quota case

https://www.barandbench.com/news/supreme-court-justice-hrishikesh-roy-recuses-nlsiu-bengaluru-domicile-quota-case

Anyone who thinks otherwise is living in a fool's paradise. States will fight tooth and nail for this, and NLUs will always remain state institutions.

Well, well, well... the truth is finally out. The whole thing was a setup to make certain people rich through unscrupulous trading. Where are the Congress, liberals and Soros fanboys now?

https://indianexpress.com/article/india/hindenburg-report-probe-short-selling-in-adani-shares-led-to-gains-for-12-firms-ed-to-sebi-8913806/

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/12-short-sellers-benefitted-from-short-selling-in-adani-group-shares-report-4338309

you are at a good place. just keep grinding, and you will do wonders, don't get swayed by these pseudo wokes who can withstand the fact that NLUO is doing good. Don't waste your one year. CLAT is known to be unpredictable.

Trust me, if you work decently hard enough, you will do go in NLUO.

Here's further evidence of how the Karnataka Govt will hold on to NLSIU, and domicile quota is critical for them. And quota is a sensitive topic, hence no one wants to take a call on that. Judges are recusing en-masse.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/supreme-court-justice-hrishikesh-roy-recuses-nlsiu-bengaluru-domicile-quota-case

I have secured an internship for the winter break at both firms' corporate teams at noida office for CAM and delhi office for indus. The issue is both are in the same months hence I will have to skip one. Which one should I do for a ppo purpose? Which one is more likely to hand out an offer for corp team considering im in 4th year with average acads at T1 law school?

First of all, as per WHO bacteria in food gets killed at around 65℃. So if food is cooked in this temperature it will not contain bacteria. So the question to ask is whether the food was cooked at this temperature. The answer seems to be yes. Also, we haven't heard of any huge outbreak of stomach bacterial infection.

https://www.healthline.com/health/what-temperature-kills-bacteria

https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/articles/24495-germs

Secondly, if you think it's gross to eat food touched by human feet, then you should google and see in what unhygienic conditions chicken is prepared. The hens poop in their cages and eat the poop. See this article by PETA, which says that you are literally eating bird poop when you eat chicken.

https://headlines.peta.org/chicken-poop/#:~:text=The%20Bottom%20Line%20on%20Chicken%3A%20It%27s%20Crappy&text=coli%20can%20be%20found%20in,coli.

I am in a Tier 1 firm. What you are telling is straight out of some fantasy fiction. I have never seen any female partner dating a junior PA. Infact never seen any female lawyer dating below thier rank. They rarely have boyfriends who are not in tier 1 firms. Even if they have it's not out of choice.

Male lawyers I agree. Have seen many male partners dating SA/PA females. Even seen a male partner marrying an associate. Seen many guys dating from house/lower ranking firms. Sometimes they even put pressure on ladies to give up on t1 jobs and go in house.