Wow, LI readers really do hate the BJP don’t they! 😅 Linking a BJP victory to a stock indices rise (and a BJP defeat to a fall) gets mass downvoted, even though all economic experts speak of this link. I really don’t understand you guys. It’s a well known fact that the Left is more interested in social justice and economic redistribution than macroeconomic growth. Even Amartya Sen has criticised Jagdish Bhagwati for looking at GDP figures and said that sacrificing lower GDP growth for redistribution and welfare is preferable. So what’s wrong in saying that a victory by the INDIA alliance will lead to a stock market fall, because redistribution and welfare will receive more priority than GDP growth???

Classic case of woke LI readers wanting to have their cake and eat it too, without doing basic reading of the Sen-Bhagwati debate.

The Sensex has risen today and one of the companies where I have invested has done well. It even survived the crash earlier this week. This is a company in the infra sector (not Adani) which will benefit from a Modi third term, as Modi will likely continue his infra push. So, to me, this company's stock rising is a sign that Modi is returning with a comfortable majority --- maybe not 400 seats but 320 to 350.

I personally think people are getting unnecessarily worried about the turnout. How do we know the people who didn't turn up to vote are not Congress voters? Why should we assume that Muslims had higher turnout? Maybe there has been a dip in Muslim voter turnout this time, as they don't see the Congress as a suitable challenger? Let's wait till at least 1 June when the exit poll data is out, instead of being swayed by armchair Twitter analysts.

In IPL there are no players. There are only owners and employees. Every IPL team is a family business. KL Rahul is the employee who needs to listen to the owner - just like any other family business. It is for the players to decide whether they want respect (of playing for India) or money (by being an employee), but not both. The owner shouting at employees is commonplace in corporate settings, so it is here as well.

I doubt it is jealousy tbh - it doesn't make sense for NALSAR, MNLU and other NLUs to be doing BBA/MBA stuff when they have so much to improve on in the law domain itself. If they want to branch out, they should rename themselves, their brand pretty much only applies to the legal field. As for FMS admission, anyone with a good personality, grades and scores can cross it. LBS depends on the background of the person.

The main thing about an IPM should be that it gives high paying management jobs, not having to immediately look for an actual MBA. It's more of an endorsement of the hard work of the students that got in, not NALSAR.

I've been allocated a seat in hnlu and I'm worried if it's actually worth it. I have tried to research some of its aspects in the net but I'm still not so sure if it's worth it . It's ranking in the NIRF is not shown and there many mixed opinions in the net for HNLU some says it's the best tier 2 nlu but some say it's status have fallen down and not worth its tier 2 status anymore and the most concerning part is it's average package placement of 6-7 LPA which does not match it's status as the best tier 2 nlu. Please respond to a cry for help and share your experiences if you are in hnlu and if it's really worth it

Does it vary from law firm to law firm? Or city to city? Do the views of partners and junior employees vary?

For example, would the view of Cyril Shroff in Mumbai be different to the views of Jyoti Sagar in Delhi? Or Nishith Desai in Mumbai versus Pravin Anand in Delhi? And would their employer hold the same view as them?

Also, do election results impact law firms at all? Do certain law firms get rewarded with govt work? Or is it business as usual irrespective of who wins?

https://www.telegraphindia.com/world/climate-activist-greta-thunberg-joins-gaza-protests-in-sweden-to-raise-voice-against-israel/cid/2018784

While it's fantastic that the #1 youth icon in the world is standing for Palestine, let's look at oppressed people beyond Palestine too. Blacks in America, Dalits in India and Muslims and LGBTQIA+ people worldwide. Now, traditionally our fight for human rights has been seen through a narrow lens of rights: equal opportunity in employment, hate speech etc. What Greta Thunberg's participation highlights is that the discourse of "social justice" for oppressed peoples can be broadened and intersected with "climate justice". The possibilities for research in law are limitless. For example:

- Look at the fight for recognition of same-sex marriage in India. With climate change, there will be new diseases cropping up and heatwave-related illnesses. More and more people will get hospitalised. If you don't allow same-sex marriages, then problems like family consent, next of kin etc will arise.

- Look at the CAA in India. Bangladesh and Maldives will probably get submerged in the next 100 years and cease to exist. Their citizens will naturally migrate to other countries as environmental refugees, including India . If you enact the CAA and bar Muslims from citizenship, where will they go?

etc etc etc.

These would all make fascinating project topics in law school.

Don't speculate with people who don't take time to understand the market. The problem with post-2020 investors is that you all have never seen a correction. Don't panic. Yes, you should have booked profits if you're a trader. You should have also had stop-losses if you are a trader. If you are an investor and you trust the fundamemtals of your stocks, then just stick to your timeline. Perhaps tweak your SIPs at best. Nothig else.

I don't know about any of these firms, but I would suggest in general that you should aim for experience and consider stipend as a secondary factor, unless a firm does not pay anything. I myself do not come from a privilege background and understand that stipend is essential for many individuals from tier2-3 cities, but that has to be seen from the long-term perspective of getting a job at a good place after graduation.

As a recent law graduate, I kindly request you to elaborate. Every other job post demands expertise in a specific area in question. Unless one has some privilege, I don't see this turning out well for everyone with diverse experience, especially when the individual belongs to a lesser known college and does not have time, connections, and money to utilise his/her diversity.

Bond wond kuch nahi hota. You’re technically an independent professional on retainer.

Even if you’re an employee, right to work is a fundamental right and no one can take it away from you.

Practically, they may just end up giving you a negative feedback during a reference check call. Nothing more they can do.

From today’s Business World:

Stock market & elections: What to do if BJP wins 300-330 or below seats in Lok Sabha polls?
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https://www.businesstoday.in/markets/company-stock/story/stock-market-elections-what-to-do-if-bjp-wins-300-330-or-below-seats-in-lok-sabha-polls-428885-2024-05-09

Many alumnis from GU's are well settled in good law firms (T1 to T3) domestic + internationally (not as exception). Yes earlier getting placements from GU was an issue but now it is improving. Also GU is famous for its legal course more than other courses offered there and are among top choices b/w law students despite having fully dedicated law college i.e., "LLOYD college"& Amity Uni. Noida. You'll find students from big shot background to meritorius ones (one students from law department was got praised by Hon'ble PM in Man ki baat episode last year). Lastly can say it is better than many T2/T3 NLU's.

I’m a penultimate year law student in a T1 NLU. I want to know how S&R Associates is, particularly the Mumbai office, in terms of culture, environment, pay, perks and even growth prospects.

I have secured an internship there and they are known to make an offer in one internship so I just want to be well informed in case I get in.

not a promoter driven firm - most people at the top have merit.

The people at the top have worked hard - and are bothered about diligence. Qualities have trickle down effect - long term, only people with good work ethic and limited fuckups survive.

You make the best of friends in crisis - and there is enough of that here.

People are ultimately people. There are good people here.

So I have recently joined a T3 BnF team. How long (in terms of years) before one can switch to a T2/T1? I'm open to switching to a T2 for a while before eventually going to a T1.

Also, for a T1 switch, what all should a lateral BnF associate must have worked on?

All insights appreciated

Maybe its an error- but the reason i thought of it that way is because youve had to learn things sighted students dont have to.Its basically like learning a new language - it might seem unremarkable and normal to you. But I couldnt listen to two things at once and take notes without confusing myself all the time. And I couldnt work and rework my writing by listening to it. That seems- really hard to me.Glad to know that with enough experience it comes like second nature.

Hijras are not "non binary". Until gender ideology madness came to india we all knew what exactly Hijras were. They were men who were willingly or otherwise (mostly otherwise) castrated. Even the All India Hijra Kalyan Sabha agreed with this in 1994 and again in 2005- by 2015 of course the ideology gave them an easy way to legitimise their unsavoury behaviour.

Here news reports:

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/eunuchs-not-always-born-but-made/articleshow/1219979.cms

2005 article. Here are choice quotes "(AIHKS) reveals that only 1 per cent of society's invisibles are born eunuchs, while the rest have joined the community under duress or for money."

"The study indicates that Delhi alone has 30,000 hijras. Putting a number to the growing population, it says about 1,000 youths are converted into eunuchs in Delhi every year. As per estimates, only one in a lakh is born a eunuch. Arun Kumar from Sahara Group, an NGO that works with eunuchs, says what the statistics don't reveal is how kids and youths are kidnapped for sex work. "Eunuch gurus and their paid agents get these kidnapped youngsters addicted to opium and then initiate them into homosexuality. Eventually, they are castrated in a gory and risky operation." Indira, general secretary of the Hijra Kalyan Sabha and victim of a kidnapping, hit out at eunuch gurus. "These gurus have become millionaires by making eunuchs service homosexuals," says Indira, formerly known as Rajendra, who was castrated."

"Kirpal,who was sold to eunuchs by his employer at Old Delhi railway station, was luckier. Though he did have to work as a sex worker, the sabha saved him from castration. The Supreme Court intervened to order that Kirpal be provided full protection. He is now working for the Hijra Kalyan Sabha. But the sabha president admits this is the only rescue that his organisation has managed. "Others will probably have to wait for the eunuch-police nexus to end," says a dispirited Bhola"

From the 1995 article https://www.indiatoday.in/magazine/special-report/story/19940515-determined-group-of-forcibly-castrated-men-file-criminal-charges-against-their-abductors-809139-1994-05-14

: "It took just one quick stroke of a country-made ustra (razor) to change a life forever. Ram Kumar Negi was too drugged to struggle, but not enough to numb his pain. Forced down by Ranjeeta, a hijra (eunuch), and his hefty accomplices, and stripped naked, he watched terrorised as they severed his genitals with a sharp knife, leaving a gaping wound.

Negi's shrieks died in the stillness of the dingy basement 'surgery' in a village in Etah district of western Uttar Pradesh. In the usual course of events they would have yielded to a deeper silence. The outwardly raucous world of the hijras is cloaked in its own codes and secrets. For an unwilling initiate like Negi, the brutal reality of castration is usually enervating enough to snuff out any thought of justice or retribution. Not any longer."

Khairati Lal Bhola, a spokesman of the All India Hijra Kalyan Sabha, formed in 1984 to protect their rights, says: "While castrations had always been clandestinely forced on unwilling males, nobody else had the guts to retaliate like these people."

But the complainants have realised it is an uphill struggle. The police are unsympathetic. Braving the cynicism and ridicule of reluctant law-enforcers can often feel like a second assault

Worse, emasculation is not listed as a cognisable offence under the Indian Penal Code (IPC). "Though we don't possess sufficient data on this, it would normally fall under Section 326 or 365 of the IPC, which is "abduction and grievous injury with a sharp weapon", says L.C. Amarnathan, director, National Crime Records Bureau.

The bureau has no statistics as to how many cases of forcible emasculation may have occurred in the country. But R. Tiwari, Delhi's additional commissioner of police, crime, asserts: "I don't think there is any trend which shows a rise in forced castrations. There may be a few isolated cases, but nothing beyond that."

"The Hijra Kalyan Sabha alleges that the hijra community operates through a countrywide network of hijra mandis, where a newly castrated eunuch is auctioned to the highest bidder.

"The auction is conducted with claps - a single clap denotes Rs 1,000. Understandably, the premium is highest on fair, clean-limbed boys who are likely to be high earners," explains Bhola.

However, the entire operation remains a secret as the hijra community is built on a pyramid structure at the apex of which are the elusive gurus, who are not only much older than the others in their ring but also exercise control over a particular ilaqa or territory for the purpose of extracting badhai (tips on joyous occasions)."

Here is a hijra person in her own words:

https://wordswithoutborders.org/read/article/2013-06/lakshmis-story/

"It is believed that all hijras are castrated. We call it nirvan."

"Of course, it’s not as if hijras never kidnap kids. But then the community doesn’t forgive them. Like mainstream society, the hijra community too has its share of criminals."

This Lakshmi Narayan Tripathi is actually quoted in the NALSA judgment- what a joke!

Here is a more recent 2021 report of a hijra killing a baby because parents didnt give him money: https://www.ibtimes.com/infant-dies-after-being-held-hostage-parents-could-not-pay-customary-blessing-3341267
another 2021 report: https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/mumbai/mumbai-transgender-accomplice-kill-3-month-old-girl-7397017/
Another 2021 report about a 13 year old being forced to take cross sex hormones and being forced to beg and to get sex reassignment surgery: https://scroll.in/latest/984166/delhi-13-year-old-forced-to-undergo-sex-change-surgery-raped-multiple-times-two-held-say-reports?fbclid=IwAR1KKK9Dh2awCaRjuBPYXzpeMDkcxxfSs2_wF-phuZAqxF19epzWs2adiqo

Heres a link that shows in 2013 this was still called what it was- forced sex change surgeries on minors who are kidnapped. done by quacks who want to make a quick buck. https://www.dnaindia.com/bangalore/report-end-of-the-line-for-sex-change-doctor-1246202

And heres a 2020 article showing how police are refusing to prosecute "transwomen " or hijras who brainwashed, lured away, and assaulted and raped a minor boy who thought he was trans too. https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/police-refuse-to-file-complaint-of-assault-of-minor-by-transgender-group/article33189066.ece

We used to know what this was. Even Hijras used to admit this. We used to be able to think clearly on these issues. But ideology, groupthink, Judith butlers esoteric philosophy and I guess social media virtue signalling had blinded us now.

thats a lot of words to say you dont understand sex and gender but here we go.

1) Im not a sadist. I dont like talking about sex or gender all day- But im forced to because of ignorance and ideological capture. I very much wanted to believe in gender souls but there just isnt any evidence of the same. It would be easier on my social life if I just went along with it but the fact that I still cant should at least clue you into the fact that these are sincerely held positions. The fact that Im an apostate should at least clue you into the fact that I might have seriously considered arguments in favor of gender ideology- regardless of if you accept my arguments as true.

"transgender man" is a female person who has undergone mastectomies and phalloplasty- that doesnt make them less female. cancer patients get mastectomies- breasts are not what make women women. A phalloplasty doesnt mean you dont have ovaries or xx chromosomes and it isnt even a working penis. Its profoundly misogynistic to think that body modification procedures can change sex or pull someone outside of the category of adult human female- women. They remain female and adults and human, and therefore women despite any surgeries they may have or any exogenous hormones they can take. Female athletes who take testosterone to dope remain very much female. Every cell in their body is coded xx- female. Its not a surprise to me that "transgender men" or- females- can give birth. Im asking you to show me a male - a man- who can bear children. Its absolutely an ideological claim that we must prioritise "gender identity" or gender souls rather than sex- the basis of the oppression of women for millenia. Its an ideological term used to break female solidarity and female identity as a collective group- a sex class.

2) Explain to me what a gender identity is then? If its not a soul type claim what kind of claim is it? Can you have a racial identity that is different from your race? can a white woman really be a black woman on the inside? Can an uppercaste man authentically and deeply feel that hes actually dalit? Race and Caste are far more socially constructed and far less biologically attached concepts than gender and sex- but you wouldnt agree with trans racialism because of received wisdom about how important the historical oppression of caste and racial groups are- why do you think historical oppression of women is not as important?

You say this is outdated science. The way I understand it- mammals can either produce sperm or ova- eggs. Please show me the person who produces a mix of both, or something in between- like a spreg or a spegg- we can then talk about whether the science is outdated. Medical professionals in thrall to ideology have done dangerous things before- Do you know what lobotomies are?

Most medical professionals will actually tell you that sex is largely binary and that transition will not actually change that- transition is a therapy aimed to ease dysphoria- it doesnt actually change sex. Read some Richard Dawkins or colin wright or on this if you want to. theyre very clear evolutionary biologists.

3) Of course whether or not youre female or male has no bearing on what activities you find interesting or on whether youre comfortable in your body or on whether you want to do "womanly things" or "manly things". Of course sex and gender are different. Where we differ is that you think sex is unimportant enough to not consider it when talking about women in medical contexts. I dont. You think gender identity should be how society is ordered. I think all gender roles and behaviours and stereotypes are impositions of the patriarchy and are nonsense. We should do away with them. We should especially not encourage little girls and boys to get surgeries and take body destroying hormones so they can more easily fit into social stereotypes they desire.

You take the claim of a gendered soul at face value. What do you mean by "gender identity" if not that? I dont think there are gendered souls at all. If you have any proof of the existence of gender identities as an objective fact- please share. Keep in mind though that someone claiming they have a special gender id or a gender soul is not enough proof just as a schizophrenic claiming he can see dead people doesnt actually prove the existence of ghosts.

Are there brain scans that show that trans identified males have female brains? Theyve done studies to figure this out- and when you control for sexuality they actually dont show that at all, you can clearly tell that trans identified men- transwomen- still have male brains.

4) So at least we agree that the female sex has been oppressed by the male sex. You seem to claim that this shouldnt affect trans identified males because theyre a special type of male that doesnt benefit from being a male and doesnt show male pattern criminality. Please look at studies- "transwomen" or males- show exactly the same pattern of criminality as males do. they enjoy the same privileges that comparable males do. If you dont believe the studies- please go to reduxx and look at story after story of who is attacking women.

Not allowing females- to be a consolidated group with an identifier- women and girls- and prioritising gender identity claims over lived experiences and history of the female sex is absolutely ideology and one that is dangerous and must be confronted. When you say "pregnant people" instead of women- adult human females- you are essentially saying that men- can get pregnant and that women cant. Youre doing this to cater to "transmen"- who are female, and "transwoman"- who are male. youre just flipping them in the language. There is no transwoman on the planet who can get pregnant or have an abortion. There is no trans man on the planet who can impregnate a woman. Sex is the category that matters when we talk about abortions about pregnancies- not this undefinable unprovable gender identity. You want to compromise the language and change it around so we're all confused because you think the struggles of trans identified people is more important the struggles of women. You think even when talking about rape and abortions we should be mindful of the feelings of trans identified males. I disagree. Women- Adult Human Females- matter. They deserve language that allows them to talk about themselves.

Abortions dont just affect pregnant people- they affect anyone who can get pregnant. Im not pregnant right now but I can get pregnant some day- so a supreme court ruling on whether a fourteen year old girl can have an abortion after 26 weeks affects me. It affects all women- adult human female. It affects no men- trans identified or otherwise.

The "trans men"who have given birth are FEMALE. And theyre ADULTS. and theyre HUMAN- thats why theyre pregnant. Their gender identity had no role to play is whether they could get pregnant- theres the whole lie laid bare. They might like the aesthetic of having a beard and wearing pant suits and changing their names- they will still be women. Sex Matters.

5) You claim that non-binary is valid and that my characterisation of their claims as gendered souls is oversimplifying- explain what non binary is otherwise? What is an identity to you?

If they are trying to break free of gender oppression (gender roles and behavior and stereotypes) why do they always imitate the gender of the opposite sex? if youre trying to be "non binary" to move beyond gender roles and stereotypes surely that must mean a male wouldnt see nail polish or skirts or pink as feminine- but yet- alok vaid menon dresses exactly in that culturally bound way to signal his "non binary" identity. If youre a non-binary woman- surely that must mean you dont see short hair or pant suits as masculine- but thats exactly what sara ramirez dresses as to signal her identity claims. Non-binary is completely swept up in the culture. Its extremely culturally specific- indian non binary men dont necessarily wear short skirts- they wear sarees. Indian non binary women dont necessarily become gym bros- because lets face it- they cant. But they certainly will chop their hair off. Its a movement entirely obssesed with sex stereotypes. Now I dont care- present how you want- but dont tell me that your aesthetic choices mean youre not male or female. Or that youre not a woman or a man.

Or that it makes you an oppressed category. Absolutely every person I know is non binary- no one feels comfortable with stereotypes. I havent met a woman who hasnt been relieved to kick off her heels and take off her bra after a long day. And I havent met a man who doesn't like to be the little spoon or who doesn't cry sometimes. Your parents are probably non-binary.

If you are arguing that the distress self identified "non-binary" people experience at gender roles is worse or graver than the distress regular old women and men face at those same sex stereotypes and gender roles- you are imagining that the inner lives of "cis" people are less complicated and less fraught and easier- that they fit easily into gender roles- all unproven, and all incredibly cruel. It is cruel to think women- adult human females- dont feel unease and discomfort and distress at the gender roles and stereotypes foisted upon them. Every woman I know has struggled and continues to struggle with societal expectations of femininity. Or men come to think of it- every man struggles with masculinity.

If you believe claims of oppression simply because they are made by someone you feel pity for- I have a few hundred thousand brahmins who will tell you theyre the most oppressed caste in the country. And a few hundred thousand white people who want to tell you their lives matter too.

6. There is no such thing as born in the wrong body. Please explain to me who elses body a trans person should have been born in. How do we know if our body is right or wrong? is there a soul/ body matching test that im not aware of? Do you take a quiz on buzzfeed? Can a white person be born in the wrong body and be really black because they like black culture more? Is eminem really black after all?

There obviously is such a thing as gender dysphoria- or distress at gendered body. Guess what- not everyone who has gender dysphoria ends up transitioning. Most adolescents - something like 80% who have gender dysphoria will find that it resolves as they go through puberty. And many of them turn out to be gay. Go talk to some old lesbians- they'll tell you they thought they were born in the wrong body but eventually realised they were just gay and their body was not the problem. Go talk to gay men- they will tell you they wished they were girls as teens so boys would like them and they wouldnt get bullied but that once they made peace with their internalised homophobia the dysphoria resolved itself.

Claiming that experiencing gender dysphoria means youre born in the wrong body is like claiming that experiencing body dysmorphia means a girl who weighs 45 kgs really is fat and we should give her life saving liposuction. Or claiming that people who want to cut off their limbs are actually in the wrong body and we should cut off their limbs. Or that Van Gogh really had ear dysphoria and he was supposed to be one eared all along- he was born in the wrong body with two ears.

I feel for people to experience dysphoria- But if you look at academic literature on this- dysphoria is a symptom of many mental illnesses- PTSD, Bipolar Disorder, Borderline Personalities, what have you. The proper treatment for gender dysphoria is patience and cognitive behavioural therapy and more science- not invasive and useless phalloplasties and vaginoplasties and mastectomies and hormone therapies that do not work.

Did you know that medical studies -highly ranked ones- have found that transitioning doesnt actually reduce suicidality on a long timeline? Did you even bother to read the cass report? What was happening to kids in the Gender ID services clinic in England? they werent being treated for any other illness as soon as they said they had dysphoria- they were immediately pushed to transition and that led to soo much regret. Its a damn medical scandal.

Even if you think all the scientists who disagree with you are biased and phobic- go to the detrans subreddit and look at all the posts from teenagers where theyre begging someone to tell them their breasts will grow back after mastectomies or distressed about osteoporosis or all the failed surgeries or in distress about having to dilate their faux vaginas or about being incontinent.

Whats more- the gender ideology movement itself tells us that someone doesnt need to experience dysphoria to be transgender- or are you a "transmedicalist" or "truscum"? If you dont even need body dysphoria to be transgender then this identity claim is not related to anything medically verifiable at all- its just about " I want". And Im sorry to say- as much as people might want to- they cannot change sex.

Do you know what non-binary nullification surgery is? why dont you look it up and then tell me this is affirming surgery.

It is disrespectful to lie to people experiencing distress. Gender surgeries absolutely shred your body. You have osteoporosis for hormone treatments- thats proven. Phalloplasties- people actually die from that- they become incontinent, they find that their neo-penis doesnt actually ejaculate and isnt a penis at all, they chop off a huge part of their arm or thigh to make that neo penis in the first place. Go listen to scott newgent or keira bell talk about how horrible their lives have become since transitioning. Go listen to some trans people. Vaginoplasties are a disaster- what they essentially do is cut off your penis and mould it around a hole that is carved in your body near the perineum. This isnt a vagina- it doesnt self clean like vaginas do so there are infections galore, its also built around your intestines so you have tears and fecal matter getting in the neo vagina that causes not just smell- but infection. but also- unlike a real vagina- you have to regularly dilate it every day to keep the wound from closing up. This isnt me saying this- this is patron saint of transgenderism- andrea long chu saying it. In NYT hes said that he didnt have suicidal tendencies until after transitioning. Heres another one: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/24/opinion/sunday/vaginoplasty-transgender-medicine.html (Mod: I know this is too graphic, I hated writing it and thinking it- but without discussing it in plain terms we will erase the suffering that these people go through and turn them into tokens)

Have you even seen whats happened to Jazz jennings after hes gone through the surgeries? how distressed he is? or elliot page? does she really seem happy to you?

You know why you think that gender surgeries help prevent suicide? because the medical establishment doesn't do long term follow ups. Because they dont care about mentally ill people. Do you know what they found in the making of the Cass report? they found that the NHS in england did not retain the same ID number for someone pre- and post- transition surgeries. That made long term follow up impossible. Why would they do that? Wouldnt that be important to prove just how life saving these surgeries are? In the few studies out of netherlands where they did do long term follow up they found that transition did not reduce suicidality. Here is a recent study from the american urology association that shows that suicide attempts- coded as psychiatric emergencies doubled for men after going through vaginoplasties. and the rates for suicide increased after phalloplasties too. https://www.auajournals.org/doi/10.1097/JU.0000000000001971.20 The study actually recommends that people who have psychiatric problems who do have suicidal tendencies should be counselled in other ways and not pushed to transition- it is not life saving care.

You think its "kind" to be polite and play along with the word games and delusions and give these kids and adults whatever they want. I think care for people who experience gender distress must be based on the highest possible quality of medical evidence- just like most other medicine. Which one of us is more compassionate again?

There is absolutely no medical consensus on medical care for transgender people. If you only listen to the quacks at WPATH, and not look at why most of europe has gone back on gender surgeries and hormone therapies- and you dont listen to transgender people who will tell you different- you have decided your stance based on ideology. Please read the Cass systematic evidence review, read Jesse Singals work. This is the biggest medical scandal since homeopathy or since lobotomies. And you think that people should have a right to do this to themselves.

6 b) the idea that it is womens job- at the point of self erasure- to recognise and validate the identities of trans identified males is ridiculous. It is not. It is not a womans job to avoid emasculating men by failing to affirm their masculinity. And it is not a womans job to avoid distress to transwomen by failing to affirm the femininity of trans identified men. Women- adult human females- have too much to do on their own. They do not need to include or cater to any one else. This is only controversial because you think women should be accomodating and keep sweet. You wouldnt insist that black lives matter affirm rachel dolezal, and you wouldnt ask dalit rights movements to affirm the belief claims of brahmins who feel oppressed. You wouldnt ask labour movements to affirm the guy who claimed he had affluenza. Women- adult human females- still have to go to the supreme court in this country to argue for abortion when its a 14 year old kidnap and rape victim. women- have to deal with living in a world where revanna and brij bhushan and many many other powerful men think they own their bodies. Today I met a nurse who was crying because her 15 year old sister had been sold by their relatives to some old man. I went with her to the police station. Today. Women- dont need to bend or bow to any movement that makes it difficult for women to speak about their collective struggles.

7. Im not ignorant of intersex conditions- you are. I didnt say there were only 5 conditions- i said there are 5 KINDS- categories of conditions. If you want to argue that 1% of people are intersex- and they all know it- you have to tell me where they all are and how many you have encountered. Among the 30 you conditions you picked out- using a google search- youre including kleinfelters syndrome- people with an additional x chromosome- so xxy- these people are unambiguously male even if they have lower testosterone,are not able to produce much sperm and have little body hair. Because none of those things actually make someone male. This is a genetic defect that occurs after conception and men who are infertile and may have some breast tissue growth and little body hair still remain men. Most people with Kleinfelter will not know they are technically intersex until well into adulthood- and you need a blood test or a urine test to prove it. They go through life not being oppressed in any way because of their intesexuality.
You are also including within those 30 conditions people who have turner syndrome- these are females with a genetic defect that means they only have one x chromosome not two. symptoms include short stature, heart problems, learning disabilities, and delayed puberty. People with turner syndrome can get pregnant with fertility treatments- because they are unambiguously female. People with turner syndrome get diagnosed either prenatally or in teen/ adult years with a chromosomal analysis test. But they can go through life without knowing they have it until they face difficulties conceiving.
You are also including in those 30 conditions late onset adrenal hyperplasia- symptoms include early puberty, irregular periods, acne, male pattern baldness, facial and body hair, and infertility. These people are unambiguously female. There are no genital defects. These are women. Women with hirustism are women. If you exclude these three conditions from your "intersex" group- because they are unambiguously male or female- your figure of roughly 1% taken from anne fausto sterlings study here https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1002/(SICI)1520-6300(200003/04)12:2%3C151::AID-AJHB1%3E3.0.CO;2-F
Comes down to 0.018 % a miniscule number compared to people for whom their sex is unambiguously male or female.

Transgender ideologists also like to claim that PCOS is a form of intersex. Clearly it is not- It happens to people with ovaries- females. Women.
Lets go back to those thirty intersex conditions you claimed. Lets see- theres people with micropenises- again- doesnt make you less male. Theres people with enlarged clitorises- still female. People with congential adrenal hyperplasia- who still have only xy or xx chromosomes. Theres people with aromatase deficiency- who may have external deformed genitalia but have xy chromosomes and have testicles that might be internal- still male. People with androgen insensitivity syndrome- only affects XY people who have no uteruses or no ovaries- clearly men. people with complete androgen insensitivity might have female outer organs- but they also have undescended testes- capable of only producing sperm- clearly male. Most of these people were on a pathway to produce either ova or sperm. nothing in between. not a spectrum.

I can keep going on and on- but clearly a) true intersex is far rarer than 1%, and b) while some intersex conditions might be observable at birth- nearly every other one is not. Many people go through life being intersex and not knowing it until they have to get a fertility test because they are failing to conceive.

Intersex collective groups dont want children to be operated on or for them to be prescribed any treatments that might harm them because of these abnormalities- thats what the Supreme court said in Supriyo. that flies in the face of transgender movement claiming that "gender affirming care"- surgeries and hormones are lifesaving and necessary for kids. Its not the same thing at all. Theres an inconsistency if you were looking for one. Your movement is coopting them. You are the insensitive uneducated one.

The medical trauma that a small minority of intersex people have experiences is terrible and awful- and its medical malpractice- its got nothing to do with gender souls and everything to do with quack doctors not understanding what theyre doing. It has NOTHING to do with gender identity at all. Most intersex people dont want to present as the opposite gender- they want to be left alone and go through life without medical interventions.

If you think defective or non functioning or poorly functioning female anatomy means someone is not a female you are essentially excluding women with breast cancer/ uterine cancer/ infertility/ hirsutism/ a whole host of other things. Secondary sex characteristics dont matter for sex- primary ones do. do you produce sperm or egg.

You think theres a contradiction between saying males are not women and saying boys can braid hair and play with dolls? what a mindpretzel youve bent into. I have ZERO problem with males doing anything they wish as long as it doesnt hurt women. Wear a saree, play with dolls, have sex with other men- whatever floats your boat sonny boy. But that does not make them female- that does not make them adult human females- that does not make them women. there is no "female gender" and "male gender". gender is just social stereotypes and roles and behaviours and I think people of either sex should be free to defy all of those things. That doesnt mean sex stops to exist or matter. Sex Matters. Sex and gender are different.

You are the one struggling with gender roles and sex. When I say nurture from your own body- i clearly mean breastfeeding and feeding the fetus through the placenta- its a thing only women can do. I dont mean they should be "nurturing" or "mothering". Im not very mothering myself. Its interesting to me that you read that and your mind immediately went to stereotype rather than biology.

Internal identity- is undefinable and unknowable and to be taken totally on faith because someone claims its their authentic lived experience- thats religious nonsense and its authoritarian and thats all there is to is. I dont care about feminine or masculine souls- I only care about material reality- its kind of the basis on which all oppression movements have been fought.

Keep going- youve already abandoned quite a few of your talking points from the last exchange- youre not insisting that its womens jobs to accomodate men, and you recognise that it was females that were oppressed by medical industry. and that being one sex doesnt mean one should follow stereotypes. I know you have a brain somewhere that sees the lack of logic and inconsistencies in this movement- youve had these thoughts yourself and brushed them away because you didnt want to be bigoted and someone told you that to think otherwise was plain and simple bigotry. Have a heretical thought for once and think for yourself. Ask some questions that make you uncomfortable. Maybe you will find that you dont have choices other than suspending critical thinking or being called a bigot. You could try and figure out whats true for yourself. Ask me questions if you like. Apostates love having these conversations.

I must confess that that is something I haven't really tried. I have somehow been satisfied with the old-fashioned way of writing footnotes organically and putting bibliography citations into a different document, which can be transferred into the main project at the end. I did try Cite This For Me once or twice, but didn't like it so much. Sorry that I couldn't be more helpful.

The ideal response to this should be the one that Dr Lesly Armstrong, in that wonderful Sherlock Holmes story 'The Adventure of the Missing Three-Quarter', gives (with due apologies to Conan Doyle for misquotation, don't have it to hand): 'I have no time for such trifles'.

Apologies for the angry introduction, but surely this is obvious? A provocative dog whistle, which does have the possibility of leading to violence against a minority? I think you would find that most human rights instruments with a clause on free speech would say that speech that might lead to violence can legitimately not be allowed.

▮▮▮. I know four people who call themselves non binary. ▮▮▮- I’ve really tried to talk to them to understand what’s going on with them and what non binary is. I want to be accommodating. ▮▮▮

The way they talk about it is - everyone has an internal sense of whether they’re a man or a woman- separated from their body they would still feel like a man or a woman. And non binary people don’t feel like a man or a woman - they feel like either or both or whatever . Now the problem is - I don’t think most people have an internal sense of whether they’re a man or a woman. I’m a woman - I’ve never thought oh here’s my woman brain doing the woman thing, or here’s my woman body doing the woman thing. I’ve always just thought- this is my brain and my body- it does what it does. I don’t need to act in any specific way to be a woman. I don’t need to wear pink or dance or sing or cook or put my career second or put men first or even play submissive to men to be a woman. It’s just what I am. I’m also dark skinned and 5’5. It’s just a descriptive category not a prescriptive one.

My non binary friends are mostly female- they have discomfort with their female bodies - they hate period pains and they’re afraid of childbirth trauma and every one of them has experienced sexual assault. That might make them want to disassociate from their body. Now I hate period pains and I don’t plan on having children and I’ve been through CSA- I just think - identifying my way out of womanhood will not help those problems. My dad sat me down when I was a kid and very kindly said “ no little girl - your body is not the problem”. The men were the problem.

They are also - most of them - either lesbian or bisexual and they think that makes them unwomanly. I’m straight - I don’t think lesbians are unwomanly.

I feel terrible even talking about it here because my friends don’t know I have these doubts - and they will leave me if they get to know. They have previously abandoned and cancelled friends for mistakenly using the wrong pronoun.

I think - if it helps someone therapeutically - I might use they/them pronouns and I might play along with it. But to claim that it’s true - that they really are not women and they really are some third gender - it’s really I think harmful. They’ve clearly had experiences only females have.

They have many mental illnesses too - bipolar, ptsd, borderline personality - you name it. I feel bad for them.

My male non binary friends are also mostly gay- there are a couple of straight guys. All have terrible mental illnesses. Maybe it’s just me - but these guys are sometimes problematic- like they’re not very nice to their partners, and they think they get a pass like gay guys get a pass to be catty to women. Mostly they’re uncomfortable being very masculine - and I think that’s okay- but they still are masculine in how they behave around the women they date.

I also share your experience. Only met one non binary person and they were severely mentally ill. They used their non binary status as I stick to beat others with for being 'ignorant'. I remember they, a male at birth, never truly ever came out as non binary, only dropped hints. I never was able to pick up on these hints, and I was treated like a bigot for not being able to do so. I also received calls at 2 am from them proclaiming they were going to kill themselves often. ▮▮▮. Im sorry to say but I am also of the belief that being 'non binary' is more often than not a ploy for attention and a way to satisfy a need all humans have to be unique. Id be glad to be proven wrong.

Thank you! Glad you find this thread to be productive and "wholesome".

As for (seeming to be, at least to you) nice, the vast majority of people I look up to (and therefore try and emulate), both in and outside the legal profession, are people who I know well and who are very kind, generous and thoughtful themselves; I doubt you would find me very remarkable in comparison to them. Also, as far as this thread is concerned, there hasn't been any impoliteness or any other form of foolishness I have had to deal with (so far at least), so maintaining my equanimity hasn't been all that hard. For example, on another thread started by a visually impaired student, somebody made a very patronising suggestion as to why a certain career option would be easier for the blind or visually impaired and used very condescending language in talking about that, conduct which (for me at least) falls under the heading of "foolishness"; even a cursery glance through this thread (at least at the time of writing) should demonstrate that foolishness is conspicuous here by its absence. For those who have observed the painful and vulgar ad hominem and below-the-belt jibes that happens on some other threads this may be surprising, but this is more to the credit of fellow LI comment writers than to me, because, rather than yielding to the temptation to troll, they asked good questions, the sort of questions reasonable people who want to do the right thing would ask, and which deserve an answer.

2nd year law student here.

I keep reading about "human dignity"; whether in jurisprudence, human rights, constitution, international law etc. but where is the concept explained? Like I understand freedom and equality etc. but the term "dignity" though mentioned is never really explained in detail. Can someone point out resources which will help me understand more about the concept of "dignity" ? Like scholars and literature I can read to understand this concept.

As long as it's a mandatory degree for academics.

Here's where the solution lies. Make LLM a mandatory 2 year program integrating MPhil with it, where the majority of papers are research and teaching oriented. Keep it open for people who are serious about research and academia. Make it rigourous. Make it a minimum requirement for a PhD.

On the other hand keep the one year LLM as it is; for people who want that extra degree, for specific specialisations like tax and IPR, & for time pass.

Emphasis more on the 2 year LLMs for academia. In this way we are seperating the wheat from the chaff. People geniunely interested in academics will go for the 2 year. The rest can go for the 1 year.

I remember among my batch of 40 people in LLM, from a top NLU, had only 3 people who wanted to get into academia. Rest where just using it as a transit degree.

The relevance of a good full-time campus LLM will remain in India till:

1. UGC recognises LLM with NET as key eligibility for teaching positions in Indian law colleges, and

2. India has very few high quality undergraduate programs and law schools. Very few students get the opportunity to receive privileged and high quality education like those who study at NLS, Nalsar or Jindal or few more law schools. All other LLB graduates who mostly receive mediocre education or no education at all (yes, there are hundreds of law colleges which help you get LLB degree without attending a single lecture), a good one year LLM degree is a must for them to upgrade themselves and become better as a future lawyer and legal professional.

Legitimate. Let's start with why he is dumb. He wants to speak in an imported language but doesn't want to speak it properly. Languages grow and change. If you want to be ignorant, that's fine but to then use the word 'illness'! That's a dogwhistle. He is suggesting that non binary people (very much a part of Indian history by the way - hijras) as well as people who accept their identity are sick in some way.

I don't want to discourage you since you are already depressed, but in these times so many private college students are desperate to get any job at all, and are willing to do long term assessment internships at 9-15k a month. That you feel like campus placement will get you a job without an assessment internship for about double is a big deal.

Don't fixate on the pay. It should (hopefully) eventually go up.