I got NLUO with after sitting for clat this year. I am a dropper. Even worse, I had to repeat my ninth grade so thanks to the drop and repeat I will be 20 this year. I really want to give clat again, I feel like I can do well in it if I work really hard. For context, I got marks in 80s whilst getting -1 in QA. I am convinced that if I work hard in QA this year I'll be able to get a tier 1 law school. Of course, it won't be a complete drop, I will go to NLUO but I'll prepare for clat on the side, but I am having doubts. Am I too old? Is the difference between NLUO and a tier 1 NLU large enough to justify yet another year of my life being spent on this, especially when I am already going to be 20? Please help me out guys

It's Ashok Patil. The 2028 batch would be able to watch videos of the Bhopal Gas Tragedy recorded by one and only Ashok Patil and numerous stories about how he and the minister of Consumer affairs are ▮▮▮ best friends. He will publish a book every week and make the students read them during the orientation session itself!

I heard that new associates are always being judged at big firms, both by seniors and peers. So what luxury brands should I buy so as not to be mocked? For watches and shoes, should I start with a brand like Ferragamo and then move upwards? Also, will people be able to tell the difference between a genuine and a fake?

@LegallyIndia if you guys are giving free promotion and marketing for these guys, you might as well start charging them and incorporate this in your business model. I think it would be fine to allow such threads with subtle product placement as long as they are clearly marked as “ads” or “sponsored”.

NLS (and all NLUs) are for UG. Hence their entire process and culture are tuned toward UG. Research is a different ball game altogether. It takes a generation to cultivate a research culture. The older IITs have been trying to do it for years and have only been partly successful. If you want to experience true research culture, just go to IISc across the town and see for yourself. That's real research - it ranks no.1 in the world (yes, in the world) for research.

Tip of the iceberg. I can take names if mod allows. Some are already in the public domain, such as a Delhi law firm owner arrested in connection with a multi-billion dollar scam, a Delhi NCR law firm owner accused of extortion, another Delhi NCR law firm owner accused of money laundering on a massive scale and a Kolkata law firm owner who was raided in connection with a big scam .

But they are all being represented in court by the country's top lawyers and should get away...

Oh it will help you tremendously in Gen Corp and substantially in M&A. You should know an interesting thing. Law firms like AZB do prefer graduates with MBA. You can check Zia Moody’s statement. But even as far my personal experience is concerned the scope will increase but there is a catch. I have noticed this and I will tell you something that if you want to transition back to your lawyer life , you will feel sidelined even with that increased knowledge and skills. It’s like you are drafting a paperwork with minor technical details where the real work is happening in-front of you But you can’t participate. That’s why , I , for instance will most prolly won’t go back to being an associate. Heck , the reason I left JSA was because I wanted to transition into a new field. Needless to say , the pay scale is way better.

No not for a year. Lemme tell you how this works.

1. For Harvard you can pursue the exchange but only for a semester. There is no particular eligibility criteria per se(ofc you have to be in your 4th year to say the least). The batch toppers are usually preferred(1-3). You have to take a special faculty letter for the course you want your credits transferred for that semester. It’s very selective and sometimes lol even no one is selected. Usually only one person ends up going. It’s that selective.

2. Now for other universities like SOAS , UVirginia , LSE and Dartmouth you can transfer for an entire year. The university will pay 20% of that equivalent tuition fee if you are selected. And the rest depends upon you. This can start from the 4th year as well. I for instance spent an entire semester at UCL.

I didn’t know my education would cause you this inferiority complex. But well if it is , lemme tell you my summer placement figures might already exceed your salary for two months. People who think that I am flexing. Yes I am. I am proud of my education and so should everyone. No one is that frustrated after going to corporate my friend.

The different thing goes for me I guess. Prepped for a while , couldn’t just get a tier-1 nlu. My point is it differs from person to person. Same goes for any other competitive exam. My frnd (who was genuinely good at studies till 12th) flunked both Neet and clat in her 2-3rd attempt I guess. Whereas another frnd of mine just aced it this year (probably he will get Kasturba) in his first attempt with no prep at all.

These examples don’t make an exam easy or tough. These are just examples based on individual’s prep. And I am not even considering the bad luck to begin with.

I (don’t know about others who commented) didn’t mention it’s rocket science to crack. But the OP mentioned as if it’s the easiest exam to crack. Mind you getting a 450-500 rank in clat is relatively easy. But the top 150? Becomes really tough. Also with the competition increasing day by day - I personally feel the pattern has also gone rogue with unpredictable GK questions striking us. Also I only attended 3-4 maths questions only. Ended up having a rank within 400. It’s not ‘pretty easy’ to say the least even I avoid taking the possibilities of someone messing up the technical things.

This would really depend on the partner. NJ is one such rainmaker, so I am assuming his team would have a lot of work. Other dispute partners are slowly building up their practice, so might not be that much. Have interned with one of the teams, most associates worked till 8 pm atleast. So, yes, pretty busy.

Dude, it's the faculty publication and research score that's counted. The only other qualification is about how many teachers have PhD. Please don't embarrass yourself by parading your ignorance in this manner. And NUJS has a much better faculty publication score in this year than NLUD, that's a fact. Just like previously NLUD had a better score. Have some grace in accepting your limitations.

That's because NLUD keeps the admission money before CLAT results are out. Get AILET to be conducted at the same time of CLAT first. As for your continuing claims about NLUD being ahead, only in your claims it is. Nowhere where it actually matters. It's a place of liars, for liars and by liars no matter how shameless trolls pretend otherwise.

1. NLUD students never call out those falsehood or bad practices, but instead keep defending those on LI. Which makes them complicit and responsible.

2. Please prove any falsehood in the stats released by NUJS placement. I dare you. NLUD's lies have been exposed time and again.

3. As for the BSc LLB course, keep passing judgment on it, which is typical knee jerk reaction and hatred from NLUD trolls about a course that's even to start. But your AILET is actually a swindle activity every year. And even reduced placement scene at NUJS is far better than NLUD placement, which everyone in the industry knows including NLUD trolls.

Clearly they do. Which is why they hold their exam before CLAT and get the admission fees in before aspirants would know their CLAT ranks, just like an opportunist private university only interested in money grabbing. No matter how much you trolls try, the fact remains that NLUD engages in some deeply problematic practices regularly, and as law students, you ought to call those out instead of glorifying or justifying those.

This is a lie. If you are referring to the copyright X course, that shifted to NLS after Arul left to go there.

If you are referring to any other MoU, give us the details here. There will be some notice, some internal announcement, some email sent around on the basis of which you are making this claim. Otherwise, this is a lie.

I never claimed that bigger batch size will not affect placement. However, you forget that currently NUJS has one of the best placement scenes in India among law schools, so even a reduced one will be far better than RGNUL's current scene. This thread was started by OP to compare options, not for bragging.

1. Nobody is spewing hatred against anybody. The NLUD trolls keep claiming that people are hating them every time people are exposing their lies and calling out their bad practices, because they have no other justification for those left.

2. As for faculty research and publications, feel free to go ahead and check the SCOPUS publications and citations of NUJS faculty, some of which are better than faculty from any other NLU at present. You don't have to rely on NIRF data for that.

3. Criticising NIRF does not mean claiming everything is wrong with them. The biggest drawbacks of NIRF are that they don't verify data submitted by the universities and have a opaque and arbitrary perception score. The publication data is actually collected by them independently and one of the better verified metrics, though not foolproof.

Wrong data. Like someone else also pointed out, the internal document is for the batches that passed out in the years 2015 and 2016, NIRF is for the batches of 2020 and 2021. You clearly can’t read well and you’re citing this data like some gospel.

You don’t know that method that NLUD uses to calculate its median so and your alleged proof of that is also an outdated and different document. So, you haven’t proved shit.

Moderator should make any comment from you as “unverified” and “trollish”.

I just know I did a virtual internship with him once, he didn't seem very interactive or forthcoming, would just text and I never got my certificate. The only reason possible being that I didn't complete one of the tasks that I was assigned, rest I did diligently. But he was not very communicative, atleast not virtually.

Mostly hated by batchmates for not sharing notes (they except us to serve them everything on a platter while they party and make reels on aesthetic NLU life) and loved by juniors (but only before exams).

Its a shitty life but you get good support and looked favourably upon by faculties and admin. So yeah has its pros and cons.

I was preparing for a government exam and I'm eager to return to work after a one-year gap. I have approximately 4 years of experience, but I'm facing difficulties in finding job opportunities. My friends seem reluctant to share my CV with their HR departments.

Can you assist me in obtaining referrals or provide information about hiring opportunities?

I have seen this growing among toppers. For instance the Top 3. Very few toppers from the batch opt for corporate law jobs aur rahi baat gold medalists ki. Why the cream of the Tier-1 NLUs don’t join corporate law firms in India? Based on my observation , they usually opt for these four careers

1. Rhodes scholarships/Ivy llm

2. UPSC

3. TCs (magic circle/biglaw)

4. MBA(with full ride usually from T-15 or holy grail in India)

Some toppers who do end up getting a ppo leave the job within 1-2 years.

Can anyone explain?

Lol, what kind of bullcrap is that? Most students in Tier 1 NLUs don't care about UPSC. In fact, the majority of the students who pursue UPSC are either students who joined law school through reservations or are considered the runt of their batch. Never heard a topper in our NLU say, "I will pursue UPSC" mostly they are after Tier 1 jobs and topper who do decide to pursue UPSC are the ones who managed to secure a PPO already.

The hierarchy of respect is as follows:

1. TC

2. Pursuing a LLM Abroad (Only with a scholarship). However, it's worth noting that getting through without a scholarship is not a big deal since many students manage to do so.

3. Pre-Placement Offers (PPO)

4. Day Zero placements (in Tier 1 or 1.5 firms)

5. Placements after Day Zero

6. Working as an in-house counsel

It's important to note that people who choose to pursue litigation are often considered the Dark Horses. The level of respect given to you would depend entirely on your performance. If you're a good student or have an impressive mooting record, your decision to pursue litigation would be respected.

Recently went to BJS Academy, got impressed by there state art infrastructures. The facilities at BJS was outstanding. I was allowed to 4 days stay & during that I came across with the beauty & life there, which I totally miss at my place. The feeling was like you're again leaving the college life with new faces & having standard secured job. At many moments I don't want to go back 😞

I don't know about other states Judicial Academy's but if anyone knows or have similar experiences do share.

P.S.: I am a female & A1 at known T2 firm. It was my sister from 30th BJS batch with whom I went (ex-A1, T1 firm)

man ain't no one coming and begging to you for internships. We as law students come from different households with varying financial needs and we have our personal goals in life as well. Remember the only reason we address you as partner or so, is to obtain our personal needs. Ain't nobody concerned about, doubtful if one will attend your funeral

Look, it is pretty simple. It’s an ideal place to be in. Maybe not in terms of pay when compared with the biggies, but yes an ideal place when you want a decent work life balance and a learn at a decent pace.

Most of the kids who are cribbing here have either left in a year or month’s time or are preparing to leave.

These kids don’t even know the basic of law and treat the place as if they are in a 9-5 job. Passion, seriousness and responsibility is lacking in majority of the Associates but few.

Even if they use the brand of VA and enter into Biggies, they will soon be exposed. Those who lack basic ABCD of law and can’t work on one transaction properly, and can’t handle things such as scolding/venting out by seniors professionally- they are expecting to make switch to places where they’ll be expected to work on complex cross border high stake transactions- all the best!

While every one has right to make their own decision of switching or not, without prejudice to it- it is highly unethical to come to an anonymous platform and vent out your frustration. If you have any problem talk to the management, if they don’t listen you are free to switch. Why all these unnecessary defaming and gossips like kids.

Like every law firm, VA also has some flaws. Not everyone is a Demi-god, there are some flaws with everyone. But why do you take things personally, at the end it’s a work place and people there are not your family- just go there, work and come back. Keep it professional. Deal with these issues at your level for it is omnipresent and inevitable, instead of coming here and venting like kids. If any one scolds you for no good reason, god has given you a tongue too.

Be practical.

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▮▮▮ if you're really at NALSAR/NUJS, you'll be well aware of multiple folks dropping those places for NLUD. Both of them have a domicile quota where students with much lower ranks enter. And NUJS even has a large-chunk of NRI-sponsored seats for backdoor entries for folks with much lower CLAT ranks.

On a serious note, GNLU/HNLU rank folks are no less competent. NLUD has done better regardless of the CLAT rank which shows that the institution is what makes the difference. Keep trolling, it doesn't matter whether our salary figures are 19 lacs or 1.9 lacs, we'll still be better than your law school.

Hi

So I am currently in nuals kochi which i have freezed. I could get odisha in vacancy but wanted an advice about whether there is a substantial difference between the two considering which i would apply for vacant seats or whether they are roughly at the same position

1. Simply because they wanted a scapegoat and acc to prevalent "culture" a woman is considered to be less threatening and is apparently a b*tch for being successful and a hustler. Plus, she had some known professional rivalry with the Sen guy.

2. Mumbai Police is shown as protecting Dawood but I think they protect Rajan as well considering how "Rajan" or a voice claiming to be Rajan always pins every crime on his own head instead of Dawood or any third party.

3. Highly possible but not sure

I came across a newsletter on Indian law called the Legal Scroll and they claim to hand curate important articles from multiple websites and deliver them right in their inbox. I have gone through their newsletter and its definitely comprehensive like Legal news, law firm blogs, legal jobs, events, deal updates, funny and trending topic related to law and even a meme. So wanted to know if anyone else follows them and is this something which is useful and worth following?

All i need to do is prove NLUD has submitted blatantly false data, if you have any other data try prove otherwise

https://www.nirfindia.org/nirfpdfcdn/2023/pdf/Law/IR-L-U-0111.pdf look at third table from top on page 1, look at row 1

median salary on NIRF docu is 18 lakhs, NLUD internal memo https://nludelhi.ac.in/download/nirf/Placement.pdf it is 12 lakhs

on the official documents the number of students who went for higher ed is 26, in the internal memo https://nludelhi.ac.in/download/nirf/HigherStudies.pdf it is 8

The dude writes an obituary of Ivan Fernandez but it ends up disgracing him rather than honouring him. He writes that Fernandez was a "fraud" aristocrat at St Stephen's, because although he was at St Stephen's he did not belong to one of the following ICSE schools: Doon, Mayo, St Columba's in Delhi, and La Martiniere and St Xavier's in Kolkata 🙄

FYI here are some Stephanians from these schools:

- Doon: Prannoy Roy, Amitav Ghosh, Mani Shankar Aiyar, Karan Thapar, Ram Guha, Rahul Gandhi

- St Columba's: Rahul Gandhi as well, AM Singhvi

- La Martiniere Kolkata: Swapan Dasgupta,

- St Xavier's Kolkata: Kaushik Basu, Shashi Tharoor

Now, barring Swapan Dasgupta, can you guess the connection??? 😂😂😂😂 And even then, Swapan Dasgupta is embraced by the Lutyens elite because of his posh accent.

Now read what Shekhar Gupta has to say about this. ...

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https://theprint.in/national-interest/college-pedigree-daddys-name-bbc-accent-no-longer-golden-ticket-india-has-a-growing-new-elite/1621127/

https://twitter.com/churumuri/status/1666686742970376194

gave the new pattern in the batch it was changed. and have mentored kids through the ones next year so i have a decent idea about the paper.

landed a t1 NLU, possibly with absolutely minimal preparation and not having attempted maths. mind you i didn't attempt one whole section. still made it.

can only say it is still an easy exam. its not rocket science to crack. haven't had a privileged family background or world class education either. decent govt schools that strived to be english medium. you all commenting how the new pattern is hard are hardly beyond 29, 28 and 27 batches. grow up.

You mean Noojies calling out the mishaps in their administration some 10 years after it all happened? Hardly effective. Even with a so-called active SJA, NUJS grads didn't even properly challenge their domicile quota before the High Court. NLUD folks have actually done and achieved all that.

I know you need a coping mechanism, but this kind of comment won't change the fact that you failed to crack AILET. It also flies in the fact of obvious proof that most students who get into NLUD through AILET drop their CLAT ranks (except maybe NLS) for NLUD.

Moderator should have some sense to mark this as "trollish" and preferably not even publish this kind of garbage.

These firms (Indian T1 law firms) are very unprofessional and whimsical in the absence of proper competition in the market. I experienced such casual and inconsiderate behavior at S&R Associates too.

The internship and PPO process lacks consideration for how important the first job is in any person's life and how empathatic the process should be towards all the hardwork and ambition of so many years from a candidate. I think the entry of foreign law firms in India is really needed for these firms to have any pressure to meet the best standards of professionalism.

Does anyone know why NLUD keeps shifting the AILET date so that the students cracking AILET have to deposit the admission fees before they can get to know their CLAT results? They claim to have made a name for themselves now, so much so that students would give AILET not as a second option but a primary one. So why this behaviour like the private universities, trying to exploit the students by taking advantage of the information asymmetry? Instead they should hold AILET around the same time as CLAT so that the students should know their performance in both the exams and then decide for themselves which university they want to go to. Before the NLUD trolls start defending their university's honour here, just one question to them. Had you been a student, wouldn't you have preferred to know about all your options before you had to part with a substantial amount of your parents' hard-earned money?

Bit of an over-generalisation. Jats definitely look Indian, if anything they look like most Punjabis. Some might be fair but you'd have to be blind to confuse them with Mediterranean populations. And Middle Eastern folks are also largely brown along different shades. One can easily tell the difference between most fair north Indians versus folks from Central Asia/Iran/Afghanistan, etc.

And within the Brahmanical order of things (if you buy that, I know Jats don't), Jats are not considered an upper caste in that the Brahmins don't consider them to be either Kshatriyas or Vaishyas. The fact that they classify themselves as a higher caste is hypocritical with their supposed rejection of the caste system which is entirely a Brahmanical construct. Either accept the Brahmin caste system for what it is or reject it in full measure (which is the right answer). Half-way self-identification doesn't work.

OP Here.

Thank you for your responses. Had a follow- up/ similar question.

How does the knowledge acquired during an MBA, help me once I have transitioned back to life as a Gen Corp/ M&A Lawyer. Lets assume my MBA is in either Operations or Marketing (not Finance)

Basically, is the MBA useful to help me as a lawyer ultimately?

But you haven't addressed the fact that adding another 60+ students to the UG LLB batch will dilute the quality of graduates and inevitably affect NUJS placements in the long run. I say this because Noojies routinely brag on this site about how they have the best placements among tier-1 NLUs while criticising NLS, etc which now have a much larger batch size. But that's all based on a batch of 120-odd students. Add another 60 with some random Forensic Science LLB which will probably have zero practical returns, and you have a course like NLIU's BSc LLB in Cyber Laws or whatever which is largely pointless for a general law degree for UG students. BA LLB should always be preferred and plus there are multiple entry points into NUJS with lower CLAT ranks like NRI quota and domicile.