As someone from the Batch of 2024, I have a different perspective.

I initially chose science despite not being strong in it, based on advice similar to what you're sharing. I failed my 11th standard exams and had to leave school to switch to humanities via an open board. This period was the worst time of my life and left me deeply depressed.

After passing my 12th exams, I pursued a law degree at a private university, which transformed my life and personality. I discovered a practice area I was interested in and dedicated my 4th and 5th years to internships and competitions in that area. I secured an offer from a firm that I interned at.

Today, I have a 16+ LPA package placement in a domain I love. I am more confident and better at public speaking and writing.

Everyone has different strengths, interests, and ambitions. While a 17-year-old may not have a comprehensive understanding of the world, suggesting a one-size-fits-all approach like "study science" or "do engineering" is overly simplistic. Instead, we should encourage young people to explore their interests and strengths to find their path.

I’ve decided to prepare for upsc along side my BA LLB. but i’m unable to decide between the two colleges as i’ve been considering jamia since delhi gives an edge for upsc prep given the environment and coaching. however to have law as a good backup option if upsc doesn’t work, glc has far more opportunities and better placements; but then again mumbai lacks upsc culture or coaching.

You started with an unspoken assumption that one should make a career choice only based on what option would fetch the most money, even if they dislike doing the job. That is not necessarily true. Moreover, if you believe that what you study in your plus two will determine the rest of your life, then I am sorry to say that law school did not broaden your horizons as much as it should have. You also seem to have very limited idea about the different types of career options available after law. I wish you had been fortunate enough to meet the right mentors/guides earlier in your life.

C&M pays 6-7L

Axiom pays 12L+

C&M has more matters in terms of variety and quality. Since it's quite established, the matters keeps on coming.

Axiom5 runs based on reputation of Samir and Rahul. Both are legends.

The thing is if you switch from c&m to any T1 after a year, you'd still be considered as A0 unless you're quite good. But if you switch from Axiom, you'll be A1 (fair chances).

Obviously A1 is paid more than A0.

Both are terrific firms but reputation wise, Axiom is better. If you are someone to whom reputation doesn't matter as much, go for c&m. I'd go for c&m bcz for A0, the ground work is of PA Level of T1, responsibility is of SA level, you get access to all documents, you are fully involved in the matter, and learning exposure is unparalleled. I would switch to T1 after 3 yrs. I'd have learned so much tht they'd keep me as SA.

See the thing is at every T1 NLU you need to be in the top 10% of the batch to have a shot at a good T1 firm. With the way the market is right now, idk what the scene will be in the next 5 years when you sit for placements, you really need to work hard to get a T1 job. At NLUD, if you look at the absolute figures it might be a bit upsetting but if you see it in context of 17-18 T1 placements out of a pool of 40 ish serious students, the figure is pretty good imo. Merely getting into any T1 NLU will not be a guarantee of a good job and aspirants need to accept that and not fall into the rosy picture painted by coaching institutes. College aate hi thali pe naukri nahi milegi.

Also at your stage, just generally I would seriously urge you to not go with a closed mind that corporate job is the only thing ever. Trust me there are things you dont know you dont know. Go with an open mind and try to explore everything you can get your hands on in whichever uni you end up in.

Base pay is undoubtedly going to be 15.6 because no change in the pay structure for A0s was announced in the annual townhall. Now, for the variable pay, I've so far come across not a single person from the batch of 2023 who was not paid the bonus of 1.5, although this was a little unexpected because their offer letters did not mention this as a part of the remuneration at all.

Now, does no change in the annual meeting imply that this year's pay will also be 15.6 + 1.5? Probably. But is there any means of confirming that before we get our offer letters? Not really. Plus, they might just choose to similarly keep us in the dark about bonus and only out the 15.6 on our offer letter while giving it at the last minute, so who knows.

So these are the possible combinations, but there's no doubt that 17.1 or 17.9 purely as fixed are BS figures.

It's been on the cards in trying to rebuild the competition team to make up for the exit of their head, Samir Gandhi. The word on the street is that ZM did not want him to leave, so much so that she's giving him big bucks to just stay on as a Sr. Advisor, if even on paper — but they're aware that Axiom5 will soon become its own separate brand and firm, so of course they're trying to make up for that loss through all means — be it homegrown promotions or poaching potential names they can find. Dinoo probably came through RKP's reference, and Kirthi was probably looking to shift on his own after the blowback on AK's mail.

If you do a statistical analysis of the placement records over the last 5 years, you'll come to the conclusion that even GNLU gets more Tier 1 hirings than NLUD. If getting a well-paying corporate job is your SOLE criteria, then with NLIU's recent struggles with placements, I would place NLUD above NLIU, but lower than the other top CLAT options for sure.

How valuable is reference from a senior associate for an internship at khaitan? I have gotten through an alumni SA who responded to me and forwarded my CV to HR and referred me for an internship, I have not received anything from the HR regarding this? How valuable is a referral from an SA for internship? Do I have hope of getting through?

On the one hand, the pro-Pakistan/pro-Khalistan/anti-India MPs had a field day today, with many winning or nearly winning as independents. But Starmer is a centrist who has made pro-India statements and overtures to the British Hindu community, distancing himself from the far-left Corbyn faction. Labour is also more likely to give visa concessions to Indians than the Tories. And Starmer is a barrister himself.

So is the FTA closer now?

Exactly. I am glad you gave the 'health warning', and I didn't have to. This kid is extraordinarily immature (not like that's anything new for Legally India, but still), and you really want to think if you can handle such a one. You should see some of the responses to criticisms of the broken English. The OP told someone in that other thread to 'STFU'. Imagine the rudeness! If that is how this kid handles criticism, you want to think seriously before responding to her/him.

Wanted to become a CSE. Got fucked over by chemistry. Opted for commerce. Wanted to become a Chartered Accountant. Cleared foundation within top 10 scores of my state (as per my coaching institute). Was preparing for CA inter when folks told me to sit for CLAT so I did without any prep. Got into an lower NLU (NLUO, TNNLS, NUSRL, NLUJAA). Folks drilled in the fear of low passing rate of CA course and bleak future if I could not clear it in first attempts. Join NLU, 5 year vacation, decent internships, Tier 1 PPO, currently in-house and bored out of my fkn mind.

Hey there,

I just graduated from a top private law school and have some solid experience from international and tier 1 internships. I'm on the lookout for an associate role at a law firm that offers a decent salary. Can you suggest any boutique firms that are hiring fresh grads? Thanks a bunch!

Hey there, I just graduated from a top private law school and have some solid experience from international and tier 1 internships. I'm on the lookout for an associate role at a law firm that offers a decent salary. Can you suggest any boutique firms that are hiring fresh grads? Thanks a bunch!

This one guy from their competition team is busy rizz maxing posting his blogs and observations over LinkedIn Helps he looks cute but doesn't appear to be busy for a A0 so I doubt the amount of work they do :P (team insiders tell he's a partner pet and not the sharpest around)

I am an upcoming A0 at a Tier-1 law firm of the country and a student of this year's graduating batch of 2024 of one of the Top law schools of the country. After 5 years of law school, I thought of writing this out to my younger self and other young chaps so that the mistakes I committed should not be committed in the future either by me or any young rebel kid out here. Nothing but the basic stuff which people were trying to tell me, only if I had the humility to consider.

I was among the so-called toppers and nerds of my school. My friend circle now has three to four top IIT grad engineers earning way more than I would earn, and one or two are who are not quite there and are hovering a bit below what I would get. I do not doubt that considering my performance in school, I would have certainly made into middle tier IITs if not the top ones like my peers. I am not envying my friends (or maybe I am), but the broader point is not to be a foolish rebel kid who sticks to his decision of doing law irrespective of what others say.

Rebel kids make horrible decisions of choosing narrow streams like commerce and arts in 10th grade. I thought to myself that I am a great person; I chose commerce in spite being a school topper; I am different in that I have not followed the bandwagon. Utter crap. Choosing a stream is making a major a decision on what career you want. Don’t just decide on what your 17-year-old heart thinks is of interest to you, and what is boring to you. Most rebel kids don’t know what their career or “passion” really looks like. Most aspiring law students don’t know an average day in the life of a corporate lawyer. How exactly do you know that you want to be a CA if you don’t know how audit or accounting works?

Be genuine. Your so-called dreams are rarely based out of personal work experience of what you observed around you. It’s mostly the aura that is created by the society around you regarding that job. You know nothing about what various tech jobs are, how the work of CA, Lawyer, IAS officer etc. feels like. So, filter your so-called passions and acknowledge that what you are thinking might not be a complete reality. Those engineer-turned-influencers, who rant on engineering and ask you to follow your heart…. won’t feed you if you don’t get employed.

Please don’t make the terrible mistake of thinking law is largely about debating, arguing, gift of gab etc. Regardless of what kind of law you end up in, you are going to do just reading, things which would end up being mundane and boring, day in and day out. More so in corporate law (as per my trusted alums and what I foresaw during internship). FROM WHAT I HAVE HEARD, every job largely involves boring stuff (you do same stuff again and again), and some job is way boring than others. You are not going to get an adrenaline rush every day. Secondly, it's okay if you don’t like subjects in PCM or Engineering as long as you are a student who takes grades seriously and would score better regardless of interest. My sibling is a mechanical engineer who does nothing but operates Excel for a foreign MNC. My friend is a chemical engineer from a tier 2 IIT who works in ICICI Bank as an analyst (and he is not an MBA). These jobs will never go to non-engineers. That is how our country’s market is. What you do and What you studied need not have substantial correlation?

You have no idea how limited your scope becomes once you choose non-science stream. Therefore, when elders, especially educated elders say to take PCM they are saying it for a reason. My take is this: until and unless your dad is a bigshot CA, CS, Lawyer, whose clientele you wish to take over, or you want to pursue medicine, you are not certain what you want to do with life ahead. So, take the stream which would have many more gates open.

Most of my NLU friends I would say took what I would now say as the correct path. They tried their luck with JEE and NEET and then gave CLAT. Around 75% of my batch were from science background.

One more advantage of science stream I would say is that you have at-least two-three attempts to succeed in engineering. Even if you didn’t do well in JEE, you still can write GATE and get the same if not more package than a person from top NLU would get. You can try your luck with MBA as well. On the other hand, if you are doing law, CLAT-AILET UG is all that you have to get a good chance of T1 law firm job. You flunk, and statistically your chance of making 17-18 LPA is drastically reduced. LLM even from top NLUs like mine won’t fetch enough jobs around this figure that you decide to do an LLM only for such a job. It would be just an aspiration and not an expectation like UG kids have. Face it, it is this 17-18 LPA figure that attracts most middle-class students. Even if you say that you don’t want a law firm job, deep inside these numbers do give a sense of job security.

Lastly, and this might be off-track for most of you but know this your worldview, needs, philosophy, interests all might change with time. Earlier in school, I was of the view, what is earning lots of money, one day you are going to die and will take nothing. Better live to serve our country. I knew I had cringe level honesty and I wanted to make a difference therefore “Government Job”. My worldview changed a lot, perception of importance and the power of wealth also changed. Now, I hardly care about “service”, I wanna make as much money as possible provided it is legal and doesn’t take a toll on my health. I analysed the possibility of an MBA only to find how big was the opportunity cost of choosing law over engineering.

This change of perspective and worldview should also be understood by T1 law students. Right now, due to increased exposure of LI to law students (though it results in NLS V JGLS cringe), kids like us know that most of us might not stay in law firms for long given the long work hours, high pressure, day to day screaming and burn out. Therefore, a chill life with decent pay might be our goal after law firm. So, maintain your high GPA (or at least the minimum required for govt. jobs or judiciary or academia), keep publishing, take difficult credit courses or external certificate courses etc. even after getting a job.

I am not saying don’t take law. Just know all these and make a conscious decision.

Tldr:

1. Take PCM if you don’t know about future, and 99% you really don’t know. Don’t fake your confidence.

2. Stream is not just about subjects you like but career you want.

3. Give a shot at engineering if you are still confused after 12th.

4. Law is not that big in scope as influencers make out to be and is way more mundane than you think.

5. Know that CLAT UG is the only chance for safely landing that 17 LPA figure

6. Know that your interests, worldview, needs, philosophy etc. would change with time. most of the folks from targeted audience won't be here at LI, but if you agree with my stance do share it with your kith and kin****

NRI quota students are essentially non-EWS, non-domicile general category students who couldn't make it to NLUs because the merit list has shrunk, in favour of EWS/SC/ST/OBC/domicile quota students. If we had no caste, EWS or domicile quotas, most NRI quota students would make it to NLUs on the basis of pure merit.

In my view, we should abolish all quotas, even EWS. Make the whole process 100% marks-based and objective.

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Assuming the hiring trend remains what we’ve seen in the past, no matter how good the law school is, T1/T2s law firms (combined) won’t ever hire more than 90-100 students from 1 single college (considering the aggregate hires by these firms from all law schools in a year). JGLS would never match NLUs in terms of batch percentage placement because theoretically it’s impractical. So no point arguing.

From a corp law pov: Due to the population, JGLS becomes extremely competitive. However, on the other hand ALL reputed firms go to JGLS for hiring. One might not find this in “most” law schools.

Also, the whole 900 don’t prefer law firms. Most actually pursue lit and higher education.

There is no clear evidence of a scam, but it is the student fee which is being used for the luxury car and unnecessary expenditure on convocation. It is not justified when the university is under financial stress and lacks infra for students.

We do not know about corruption but he does not disclose any information to students.

Lmao. I doubt you are an academic. Your entire tirade is full of strawmen arguments. Just because you couldn't answer my valid questions and just because your ego is bruised you cast doubt on my ability and competency. Slow claps. Thank you mod for marking this answer trollish. Learn how to read, fake academic lol. I realised I am dealing with the troll. Would request mods to mark any subsequent answers as trollish from this individual.. clearly they are not an academic. Even if they are, I pity their students and laugh at their arrogance. Bye bye troll!

Yeah sure, by your logic placements and GPA scores can underscore the need to address historical inequalities and dearth of representation of oppressed castes in educational institutions. How hard is it to recognise the financial privilege NRIs sponsored students have in not only getting addmission but also the quality of education they recieved pre-college? You are drawing parallels on an uneven playing field, which needless to say gets more uneven when you occupy a seat flushing your generational wealth.

It's the classic meritocracy rhetoric with undertones of casteist ignorance. Albeit, this time classism is also here to join the ranks.

Bump -- I heard that one NLSIU alum who was expected to get a judgeship is facing some resistance from the old guard in the bar (TLC coterie) and also some in the political establishment, who see this person as too liberal and too outspoken.

Very unfair, of course, but maybe a lesson to be careful about what you say on social media and blogs? And delete some old tweets and posts. 😉

Depends upon the college & your financial ability to pay off the loan without getting a T1 job. My advice would be to only opt for getting a loan if you're getting a seat in the top 5 NLUs of CLAT, as almost every college from NLUD & RMLNLU and below has had minimal placements in the last year or so, when compared to their batch sizes & past records. There are at least 5 people each from the 2024 batches of NLS, NALSAR, NUJS, NLUJ, GNLU & NLIU who are still without any job at all, and a bunch of others in these colleges have had to take low-paying litigation jobs too. I know of 2 NRI-sponsored candidates across NLUJ & NLIU who worked really hard and were still only able to get <10LPA jobs in the past 3-4 years.

So colleges below these names are a huge risk from a job perspective, and increasing your loan amount 5 times by taking an NRI-sponsored seat instead of just re-taking CLAT and investing properly in a good coaching and yourself.....is a very questionable financial decision that may have huge impacts on your future. If your family can't contribute heavily to the repayment eventually, then you may have to live very cheaply while working at a job you hate for many years before you can switch — and that's assuming that you're one of the lucky ones who can find a job good enough to realistically pay off that huge a loan amount in <5 years in the first place.

Okay, let's get a couple of things straight. This feedback is as clear as you could possibly desire. If this isn't helpful, I would say I (and most others who have commented on here) would be unable to help you further.

1. Your messages so far seem to prima facie indicate that your ability to proofread is very poor indeed. This is a concrete skill you can work on. In order to be a good lawyer anywhere in the world, you need to be able to proofread well.

2. You won't always be given direct feedback. There might be situations where rules or regulations around feedback (academic settings in particular) stipulate that at most, a hint can be given to you about where your writing is going wrong (e.g., a dissertation supervisor being allowed to go only as far as to say, 'Are you sure every spelling on P. 15 is correct?'). Learn to take a hint. Yes, getting lambasted publicly isn't fun, but this is better than missing a hint in an actual high stakes situation.

3. Following on from no. 2, your ability to engage in self reflection is also very poor. Lack of improvement in this regard is likely to be unhelpful to you in the long term.

If I were you, I'd say this is more useful advice than some random sob story about how somebody made the choice to become a lawyer, for the above points are actual, concrete lessons you can learn in order to be considered even minimally competent in a field that shows little mercy to those who aren't.

Oh, these comments are just from a bunch of TNNLU students with nothing better to do than blame everything on the university. Clearly, those who don’t nitpick every minor administrative change the university makes for convenience are the ones truly thriving. The rest, who have nothing better to do than criticize, are the real useless ones.

People tend to have a very flowery image of NLUs but the truth is we are as screwed as all of you. NLUs have bad administration, no placement reliefs, not many PPOs or jobs and the academics ain't as rigorous as most people think. To be Honest, the reality is that NLUs are only good at marketing and this brand name is only a mask. Colleges like Jindal and Nirma are doing better than many NLUs from a recruitment perspective. Leave the NLU vs Non-NLU debate because the truth is, we ain't getting internships either. You get internships only if you have contacts and this is the reality that we have to deal with.

Rhodes scholarship is not an NLU achievement, but an individual one. NUJS has produced four in the last decade ever since its downslide had begun under PIB and continued under that retired judge and then NKC. NLUD is still a very good place to study at, it's just that the present admin are just not up to the mark as RS. Bajpai is a better registrar than VC.