The rape case was TEN years ago. You mean to say all this is an outcome of that? BS. The changes in policy that were to take place because of that, were implemented within 2014-15 itself on instructions of Dr. Sahni (who is not even at JGU anymore). This included not leaving classrooms unlocked after classes, making sure any student using any classroom has permission of faculty & security over email, flood lights in all the fields, patrolling of guards etc.

Students getting caught for drugs - what do CCTV inside the classrooms have to do with it?

Surveillance is not the answer. The current admin fails to realise this. They've taken precipitative, dictatorial actions against students in the past (mostly because of hurt egos) which they had to roll back after protests from students and alumni. The fact of the matter is that the current officials in charge do not know how to administrate.

Hi, I graduated this year and have a job at a law firm. I am not having demanding work schedules everyday. Only 2 to 3 days a week and the rest of the time I'm free all day but made to come to the office. Are there any side hustles I can take up to make extra money. The firm doesn't have an anti moonlighting policy so please do give suggestions on how to make the most of my time.

People say GC/M&A is more financially rewarding than other teams. I don't understand how is that the case when most teams are paid the same in most T1s (SCAM, 3L, Khaitan, AZB at least).

Also, what are some advantages of working in GC compared to other domains? I seriously don't get the GC/M&A supremacy.

Not sure about the firms you listed but you could try approaching law firms / recruiters in Belgium/Luxembourg as the market there is focused on anti-trust law and they may just be interested given your prior work experience. However, competition is stiff and without an EU Law degree/work experience, it may be tough but you could research the market a little and speak to local legal recruiters there. Hope this helps, good luck!

It might be lunacy, but consider my situation: I am a 26-year-old graduate from a tier 3 law school. For the past year, I have been applying for jobs left and right but still have not been able to secure a decently paying position. In most places, the reasons given are either the reputation of my law school or my lack of prior internship experience in tier 1 or 2 law firms. My internship experience is primarily in dispute resolution and corporate litigation.

My main goal is to land an in-house job, as I have seen my friends struggle in tier 1 or 2 law firms, having no life apart from work and facing health scares due to the stressful lifestyle. Pursuing a CS qualification seems like an easy way out, as it will add some credibility to my CV despite the lack of corporate internships. Moreover, if not in the legal department, I might secure a job in the CS department of a company.

I really don't know if I am building castles in the sand or doing the right thing, but it seems like my only option.

I know a partner in a law firm maybe tier 2 who is on foreign trips almost all the time his area of practice is arbitration and commercial litigation and all so is is it common for arbitration lawyers to travel to foreign countries very often and is it same for lawyer working in dispute resolution team ? and of course it's on client expense

If the student said F YOU to a teacher, then a punishment of suspension is very light. The student should have been expelled. Look at the students at the Sadhguru lecture in contrast. They may have been cocky and ultra-woke, but they never used abusive language. Their language was always parliamentary. That's how the left should disagree with people, instead of hurling swear words. On the other hand, saying F YOU to a teacher is completely unacceptable and anti-social behaviour that has no place in a civilised society.

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That's regrettable and unfortunate, but the fact is that the students brought it onto themselves as well. Let's look at some instances documented in the media:

- The infamous rape case

- The case where students were arrested by the Haryana police for distributing large quantities of drugs, including cocaine and heroin

- The disruptions by far-left students

Not even gonna talk about what the media has not reported...

Won't work in India. A faculty after getting a permanent job won't be interested to keep pushing to get that one extra job or pursue with law firms as if their lives depend on it. There is no incentive in it for them. Abroad, non-tenured faculty are the ones who usually get tasked with such chores. Moreover, the admin staff across NLUs are largely untrained and incompetent, who can't possibly be trusted with any part of communication with recruiters.

India is an extremely poor country. A monthly salary of ₹80,000 or an annual salary of ₹9.6 lakhs places you in the top 10% of the country. A monthly salary of ₹1.2 lakhs or an annual salary of ₹14.4 lakhs places you in the top 5% (both based on data from the Economic Survey of India 2020-21).

I take a T1 salary to be ₹15LPA and above. From that perspective, especially since this is taxed differently than other salaried jobs, you will immediately be in the top 4-5% in India. In my book, that is already extremely wealthy -- relatively.

Everyone who is commenting otherwise, especially one individual who has written about how one needs to be an equity partner to be 'rich by every definition' already comes from huge privilege where their parents' or older siblings are earning enough to be in the top 1% or possess generational wealth. This delusion highlights the importance of classes in sociology and economics in law school.

Actually the last time was 2016, with Tiruchi Siva (DMK) Transgender right bill passing in Rajya Sabha. The cross party consensus forced the Govt to act and introduce their own bill which became the Transgender rights act 2019. So this strategy could definitely work even with the private reservation bill.

One drop is fine. Second one onwards questions will be asked. It is good if he enrolls somewhere (even a private college like Symbi) and then gives clat again. Worst case he won't lose a year.

During a drop year, especially for young people, the mind wastes away if you are not doing anything interesting. I have seen people become addicted to social media and other things, and struggle even when they have to go back to college.

I took a second drop year for CLAT but got too overwhelmed on the exam day and got a rank not even worthy of mentioning. In my first attempt, I was getting NLUs like NUSRL, HPNLU & NLUJA but I was cracked enough to not join them and take another complete drop in hopes of getting the top NLUs.

My luck was so bad that even SLS Pune rejected me (mainly because of two gap years, lack of national level achievement and average board marks).

I have taken admission in NMIMS Mumbai. After talking to some seniors and peers, I don't think there are good chances of me getting placed. I am a first gen lawyer with absolute zero connections in the legal sphere. The idea of asking lawyers of high court and random NGOs for an internship is very intimidating. I feel very uneasy and running away from here. Because of the second drop year I have lost all the friends that I had. There is no support system whatsoever. Dad is busy most of the time and my mother feels I am capable enough to decide what is best for myself.

My question is should I write CLAT & AILET again? Will people accept someone who is joining college at 20 years of age? Will I be named as a old dog who can't learn new tricks? Is my story over?

Depends upon the team — for example, TT&A has a wonderful & well-reputed B&F team; most of their major work comes from that vertical, and that's well known across the industry. So if you're getting something like that, go for TT&A. Otherwise, KCo has some fantastic and some not-so-good teams which balances itself out by being a safe option because again, industry reputation of the firm will enable easy switching anywhere.

Stop pinpointing people like that — I'm sure your batchmates will identify the said person and he'll be trolled further, even if you weren't trolling here. Also, it's a law school - you're supposed to learn how to speak up. Do you really think your peers & seniors at these infamously toxic law firms will wait for you to find a voice? It's life at the end of the day — you need to learn to make your space, and stop throwing shit at someone just because they already know that.

Completely in sync. My office has a pretty jolly enviornment with fits of anger from one partner that too due to deliverables. Otherwise it's chill.

I've seen my cousins do MBA from IIM C and ISB and trust me their roles are no cakewalk either. IIM C in hand is 1.8 and ISB because she had no work ex too is around 1.3 - and both cannot think of a minute when they're not thinking of work. Another friend who joined FMS tells how hectic even the program is. So all in all T1s give a neck to neck challenge to all jobs, mind you all class 1 corporate jobs we are talking like T1/2 MBAs and T1 engineers or CAs or doctors - all top in their game. Rest most of grads and post grads in India are sadly not able to touch the 5 figure monthly even in their 30s. Count your blessings and shift till you find a good partner. It'll be comparatively easier floating from there.

If you have an excellent profile otherwise and a visible specialisation in which you want to pursue your LLM, you'll probably get accepted by some of the lesser prestigious universities in the UK (eg: Essex, Bristol, Brighton, NTU, Surrey, Birmingham etc) — realistically, don't expect any scholarship though.

At A0 level? Absolutely not. But eventually — SA onwards — your salary becomes enough for you to lead a pretty comfortable life for a single person. When you hit PA/counsel level, it's rich even if you're the sole earner in family. By the time you're a partner in a T1, even if you don't call yourself rich, your lifestyle typically becomes everything that an 'aam aadmi' calls rich. By the time you're an equity partner, you're rich by every definition of the word in this country.

Modi's entire agenda is to win the bid and claim the credit for himself. Now as you said,.of all the crores allocated a big chunk goes to the 'systum'. He's bidding it for it to be in Ahmedabad, and has allocated a lion's share of the sports budget to Gujarat purely for this just to develop Ahmedabad, to keep his biggest supporters and crony capitalists happy. We all know where the money is going.

Secondly, remember the CWG-Kalmadi scam. Yes it was during congress, but my point is that this is the basic mentality of any Indians in power and nothing can change that.

Olympics in India will be a huge disaster.

I come from a middle-class background; modest family income, tbh. However, I know people around me who make at least 10 LPM and I can guess that some people make at least 20 LPM given their expenditures - all of them are from business families in a T3/T2 city. They don't have lavish lifestyles, tho, but have invested heavily in assets (by lavish I mean the way people spend their money in Delhi or Bombay)

Now, in your law firm career, you will at max make 1 crore after 10 PQE at least. Post-tax, I believe the income would be close to 7 LPM in a TIER 1 CITY.

This is a good-money but nothing spectacular given that it's a T1 city.

Also, help me understand how some people on LI are claiming that partners are driving premium cars that cost upwards of 60L? It is not possible unless they are being impractical.

I mean as a partner, a few years down the line, you can at best have a decent flat, a good car in the range of 20-25 L and a good lifestyle (depending upon how you are spending on expenditures).

OR is there anything that I am missing? I am underestimating what a partner makes or I don't understand how money works? Or, am I just on point? Help me understand.

hey, I am an sls student and i would suggest that if you really feel that your preparation is decent enough or will be decent enough to land you in the top 4 Nlus- NLS, NALSAR , NLUD etc. then yes put your heart and sole in clat prep and don't worry about externals.

HOWEVER, if you know in your gut that it is not and wont be since sls is fairly hectic in its schedule etc. then focus more on externals, I am telling you from experience your GPA matters, and the first year is crucial for a precedent that you will set for your self for your upcoming semesters. Decent GPA = Increased confidence and subsequent consistency. Sls is pretty messed up in their grading and so if you get a low GPA and spend the rest of the semesters covering for it or trying to figure why you cant go above a certain threshold, you will be suffocated.

Another factor is of course affordability, SLS is not cheap and so if affordability is a genuine issue for you then consider giving CLAT priority.

Someone who moved to Tri from SCAM. Meritocratic, less nepotism, less founder interference, more drive, play hard party hard attitude. One of the things I love about working here are people are by and large very smart - in SCAM there were many free loaders and the level of conversation was so bad I hardly had any fun conversations - general knowledge, fashion sense, politics, exposure all dismal. A few teams were exception to this rule. In 3L most teams have well rounded folks and few SCAM type folks.

if you sign up for CS now, it will take at least 4 years to become a CS

and no it will do nothing for your chances at a corporate law firm

Its sheer lunacy

If you did it in 2nd or 3rd year of college I could still understand

learn some practical skills and you could get a job in 6 months. For example, focus on contract drafting or something

NUJS went through this as well. BCI affiliation expired towards the end of MPS tenure. He probably did not bother because he was exiting. PIB and his cronies had other fishes to fry. Years later after PIB exit, Lord Taluk discovered that NUJS had not even paid the CLAT membership fees and the lack of BCI affiliation came up during some court battle. When NKC took over, NUJS paid Rs 11.5 lacs to make good on the years it did not have the affiliation. Later it secured BCI affiliation for the BSc LLB (Hons) course as well. BCI affiliation is now till 2027.

Very interestingly, when a "star" Chair Prof at NUJS organised a PIB exit campaign (that scalped the then retired Justice Ashok Ganguly), the BCI sent an inspection team, which had the "venerable" NL Mitra (ex-VC of NLSIU and NLUJ) leading the committee. Mitra and Co overlooked the lack of BCI affiliation as also other stuff.

Last time when NALSAR admin got shredded by a review committee led by retd HC judges, it was the state bar council that whitewashed the admin (ofc VS had to go). Brilliantly covered by Kian then. That state bar council honcho later became a judge and even a CJ of HC.

NALSAR needn't worry about lack of BCI affiliation. Just pay the "fine" and everything will be fine.

At 27 years of age, I am undertaking a crucial academic pursuit by enrolling in a three-year LLB program at a private college in my hometown of Bikaner. As a dedicated candidate, I have chosen to concentrate on my studies, including judicial coaching and online resources, rather than spending an additional year preparing for entrance exams for esteemed institutions such as Delhi University or Government Law College, Mumbai. Given my circumstances, delaying by another year is not a viable option. I would value your insights on this decision.

Greetings! I am a NUJS alumni who graduated in late 2000s. Straight out of college, I got into taxation work in then considered one of the best law firm. After working for 8 months, I realized law firms are not my thing. I got into a b-school and now I am very content with the type of work I do in my company.

My nephew recently gave CLAT and he took a drop year for this. Things have not gone well for him and he is not getting any decent NLU. He is asking for a second drop and his mother (my sister) and me are very concerned about this decision. His argument is people even take second or third drops in hopes of getting a tier 1 NLU.

Guys, is the condition in newly established or less popular NLU this bad? Even after so many years? Has the current legal market developed some positive outlook about drop years?

Kids from NLU and recently graduated students are requested to share their opinion. Thanks.

At 27 years of age, I am undertaking a crucial academic pursuit by enrolling in a three-year LLB program at a private college in my Hometown of Bikaner. As a dedicated candidate, I have chosen to concentrate on my studies, including judicial coaching and online resources, rather than spending an additional year preparing for entrance exams for esteemed institutions such as Delhi University or Government Law College, Mumbai. Given my circumstances, delaying by another year is not a viable option. I would value your insights on this decision.

The private sector is the last bastion of meritocracy in India and the last hope for the general category middle class. Please do not destroy it! Also, foreign companies will stop investing in India if you do this!

There are only two castes in India: rich and poor. We need to uplift the poor by boosting economic growth. That should be our only focus.

To add a few more-

No words of appreciation for juniors even if the client is happy and partner had not contributed to that deal Cutting hours of juniors mindlessly even when the partner has no clue who did how much work on the deal

Taking away all the credit from the peers and juniors and pretending to know it all in front of clients

Calling up the attorney and screaming like a maniac for smallest of the mistakes

Projecting his or her own personal issues with spouse or a partner onto the team
Preferring associates from small town over south Delhi or south Mumbai associates because apparently small town associates don’t have any choice but to slog away

Last but not the least, they don’t let you take care of your health issues

Someone who never prioritises his or her health and/or will not care for your health either. I have recently noticed a partner of a firm I just joined, who has all the time in the world to follow a very fancy diet but his own team has no time to eat lunch and munch away on very unhealthy and cheap snacks, while working 18 hours a day at their very small desks from the new fancy office at LP

uk law schools can be informally divided into 4 categories (ug placement + reputation):

a) oxbridge + lse

b) top russells (ucl + kcl + durham + warwick etc.)

c) mid russells (qmul + southampton + leeds + manchester + birmingham etc.)

d) low russells (newcastle + soas + exeter etc.) + plate glass

you should easily get into c and d, with a persuasive sop into b, with a good well rounded cv + reco to a

Both true and untrue. The portrayal of Paris, however, as some sort of Lala Land is misleading. True, the infra is awesome, but it can be pretty meh at times; once, when I was on a metro train there, it stopped just like that, with the lighting, air-conditioning, everything turning off. The small sample size of the good citizenry of Paris who were in the same train carriage seemed completely unphased by this startling turn of events, however. The situation, whatever it was, got resolved after nearly half an hour (no apology or explanation for the delay was forthcoming from the train authorities).

Also, part of the city can be pretty unclean, so your "foreign visitors" may not be all that surprised or put off. In the same trip where I had the bad experience with the train, I was staying at a hotel near the Porte d’Orléans. I am blind and use a white cane. My mother, who was accompanying me, told me when we came out of the metro station to fold up my white cane, allow her to keep it in her bag, allow her to (fully) sighted-guide me and, crucially, to not step too far to either side of the pavement at a certain point, as it was full of dog excrement.

Contrary to the above trollish comment from a SCAMster, Spice Route Legal's Data team is ranked Tier 1 alongside Trilegal, Indus and KCO (https://www.legal500.com/c/india/data-protection/). S/CAM is not even recognised in Tier 4.

It's always a wiser decision to start out at your local HC. Why so? Simply for 2 main reasons-

Firstly, you're at the advantage of being at your home so you're gonna save a lot on rent and other expenses. Plus, your circle is probably wider and you are much more familiar with the way things work vis-a-vis say Mumbai or Delhi;

Secondly, Mumbai and Delhi are way too overcrowded with much supply of competent junior lawyers waiting to get a cut. Competition too fierce, rents too high and uncertainty of making it big in litigation- too much.

Better start out at Calcutta itself, don't restrict yourself only to the High Court but also gain experience in the subordinate courts as well. After let's say 4-5 years with a good mix of trial and Appellate experience, you may approach a SA in Delhi or Bombay, former being the better options due to lower costs of living and plethora of forums available. By that time you'll have a much better idea of what you want, a fresh graduate right outta law school is susceptible to making horrible decisions, so better take them when you're more mature.

All the best.

lockstep partnership structure paying dividends

Only meritocracy amongst big law firms

It has its flaws, but it has managed to keep its senior partner flock together

Even a small competitive advantage when consistently compounded over the years can have huge effect like this

When I used to work there they had just 140 lawyers across 3 main offices. Quite some growth here.

it helps that all the other big law firms are antiquated, centralised and super scared of losing business to partners who leave, while trilegal has perfected its partnership model over the years

JSA could be competition but its run by a committee and everyone is risk averse

induslaw is one to watch out for after Trilegal

Rich? Depends on what you consider rich.

Contrary to what people might claim, T1 Law firm salaries pretty much match other industries if not crossing, at Senior PA/ SP level in a good practice. Heck even in T2 probably. With good investment strategies, and living a frugal life for 10 years, working with good ratings in a GC/ B&F practice at SAM/ Tri/ KCO, you can definitely get rich. Ofcourse if your benchmark for rich is Investment Banking Director at JPM rich, no. But you can probably try moving to US Biglaw to get that level of rich, they pay exceptionally well. US not UK. And in Dallas and Texas not NYC.

They don't do internships, they get jobs xD!

Maybe they don't update their LinkedIn profile so actively? There is a taboo with showing off in NLS which is why people usually don't want to disclose their internships/publications. It's the case with most of my batchmates and my seniors as well. T2 NLU students rely on LinkedIn for getting internships which is why they are very active on LinkedIn, that's not the case with NLS students.

I'll be very objective. My classmates did engineering from decent T2 colleges - only the best ones starting at 1lpm in hand.

Medical batchmates some in 2 or 3 year and most not earning.

Many people did grad from DU and preparing for CSE or goverment exams.

There were a few smart ones who made it to IIT but they are too joining consultant roles and earning the same 1.5-2 lpm to start off.

I studied in an average school and my classmates didn't go abroad to Oxfords and MITs for their grads so my view is based off my peers, which is also most average peers around India I feel. Ofcourse if you had the kind of support to study abroad then even 3 lpm salary in India seems less.

In conclusion, comparing the amount of effort I put in competitive exams and law school along with the fun (yes dating too) and exposure I gained in law school. I cannot thank God's enough to start off at a 15 lpa most of which is in hand. I know work hours are tough but again compare with medical people and be happy. You'll be rich eventually if you're honest with work. Invest wisely but don't become a nerd who listens to finflucners only. Enjoy life. Work hard. Find the perfect someone to spend your life with. If you eventually find a decent team to work this profession will not keep you starving for money and even luxuries in later half. Upskill, devote time and balance it for family and friends. Goodluck.

Wish I had this perspective from first year to be grateful for the field I chose rather than cursing myself basis the stuff I've been reading over li. In firms many people are content if not happy. You'll barely sense the kind of depression you see here.

22LPA is inclusive of a heavy variable component which is often not paid. Also, increments absolutely can't keep up with T1s — so they're basically just attracting you with a higher A0 salary which soon turns into an average T2 salary by the time you reach A2. All that said and done, they still end up paying you more than a plenty of famous options like CAM, SAM, Indus, Luthra, Saraf etc. So not a bad option for the first few years — especially if you're planning to shift pretty soon.