Can confirm. NLUD Students are screwed. Khaitan and CAM not participating. Other T2 firms and inhouse departments not replying to the recruitment invites sent by the College RCC. SAM and Luthra are hiring only in single digits. Even with a small batch size of 83, placing even half the batch is a very optimistic scenario.

Disputes team prefer to keep fresher intake at minimum or zero because Courts is one risky area.But the thing is if you want to break into disputes I will let you in on something.CAM has a perpetually high attrition rate ans has lost many employees and partners. so desperate to onboard people its known to recruit fresher in disputes(many who have interned there but they do take non interns depending on CV and lots on contacts).Another firm open to fresher in Disputes is KCo but they are choosy and picky and its tough to crack it.

Nobody is asking for luxurious hostels, just livable ones. Hostels at NUJS are simply too overcrowded and unable to support the number of students, this has caused them to decay beyond repair. First year girls are stuffed into 18 bed hostels like sardines in a tin. There is mildew on walls, not enough study tables, rickety beds, etc. Nobody paying 3 lakhs a year wants their children to live in conditions like those lol

Unfortunately, law firms in India do not appreciate the value of a good overseas degree. My close friend studied at reputed universities abroad. Got good grades in all courses. Interned with a top QC and a top foreign firm, returned with excellent letters of recommendation. Joined one of the Big 7 firms as an associate but was paid less on the ground that the qualifying advocate exam needed to be cleared. After clearing the exam still paid less and given less preferential treatment than NLU grads. Eventually quit and went back to the UK, joined a top law firm on the strength of reco letters from the people she had interned with. Now doing very well there and also had a stint with the World Bank

Thus, if and when UK law firms open offices in India, you may stand a decent chance of being recruited, but currently no.

Bhai agar if you're good enough and do good Internships, no firm will ignore you for just being a 3 year grad. I've seen many and spoke to some regarding the same on LinkedIn. Everybody who's good enough gets one, either at start or after 1-2 PQE switch. Go to any glc, Advani linekedin page and see for yourself.

It’s this sort of wasteful populism and freebie culture that keeps India poor and backward. This is not what taxpayers money should be used for. This money should be spent on building roads, sanitation etc. Even though I am a BJP supporter I condemn this move by Shivraj Singh Chauhan. BJP. The BJP should fight the upcoming Madhya Pradesh election on the basis of governance, not freebies.

Same boat here mate. Apart from the T2-T1 dance and a sabbatical to prepare for UPSC, life's trajectory has been pretty similar to yours. Just like your teaching, have been contemplating a move in-house for better work-life balance and more time with kids (lesser money would do).

Spend other days envying those who setup their independent practice or hometown school friends managing their family businesses, but I guess its too late for that!

A number of Vice Chancellors did good for their NLUs but maintained a low profile of themselves. They are Prof AK Kaul (NLU Jodhpur); Prof SK Bhatnagar (NLU Lucknow); Prof Kamla Sankaran (NLU Tamilnadu); Prof Rose Varghese (NLU Kerala); Prof Gurjeet Singh (NLU Patiala) to name a few. A few more may be recalled and included.

Why they may not be counted among one of the best ones.... or atleast better ones?? They maintained good rapport with their respective faculty and students alike. All of these seem to have avoided self-glorification and undesirable hyped publicity.

Non-NLU students are more obsessed with NLUs. They will keep on shouting about how T1 law firms prefer T1 NLU students instead of them. Stop doing that shit and everything would be fine. Never saw a student from a private engineering college shout about why Google/Facebook prefers students from IITs.

They are ultra-competitive. The truth is that you can't be the best at everything. If someone is good with grades then they get jealous of someone else winning a reputed moot/publishing a paper in a reputed place and vice-versa. These are people who will never help juniors and act super busy!

$50K in New York City is below poverty wages. I hope your friend is not homeless. It was an exaggeration. But $50K is super low.

To give you an example a Tier 1 firm in India pays Rs.15 lakh ($20K) per annum to a fresher, similar law firms in New York City starts at $200K.

Cost of living is very high in NY. So her $50K in NY is getting 25'000 per month in Mumbai or 3LPA.

That's not how the world works. You can be very good at what you do in a below-average engineering college but you will struggle to get attention from big companies whereas a below-average kid at IIT will easily get placed in a decent company.

There are a lot of good students in the 3-year LLB program at DU. Why do they struggle to get placed in T1 firms whereas the last ranked student from the 5-year LLB program of NLS/NALSAR gets a decent job?

Look at Symbi/Jindal, they offer both 3-year and 5-year LLB programs. Compare the placements between the two. IMO, if someone wants to pursue a 3-year LLB then pursue it from DU where the fees are less.

Don't understand why they have to get into NLSIU through the easier route (3-year LLB) after proving their worth to the world. What kind of worth have they proven?

Ask any 3-year LLB student at NLSIU now about how many internships their RCC has provided. The answer is 0 (zero) whereas people in their 4th Year at NLSIU have started getting PPOs.

You're not making any sense. Why would someone shortlist a student for day zero who has already got a PPO? And speaking from experience, KCO has never followed any such policy. They mostly shortlist on rank basis. The exceptions are those who have contacts or have got good reviews from KCO internships but missed out on PPO opportunities earlier.

If your boss was irrational or vindictive, everyone would know that by now and the reference wouldn't affect anything. You probably behaved inappropriately. Own it, apologise and say you hope to do better next time. May be then you have a chance. But also may be not. This is just your best hope of fixing it.

have a look at http://www.barcouncilofindia.org/notification-relating-to-recognition-by-bar-council-of-india-of-foreign-universities-imparting-legal-education-and-issuing-law-degrees-and-equivalence-of-law-degrees-by-bar-council-of-india-of-law-deg/#:~:text=On%20the%20other%20hand%2C%20if,Holding%20Foreign%20Law%20Degrees%20after

or you can become a barrister in the UK and then join any of the presidency high courts which still allow barristers to enrol (need to check the latest rules)

Now let me share an experience which a student had when they wanted to come to India after doing LLB from a top UK uni, they had to come to Delhi, they did not do any bridge course etc. but went directly to the delhi bar and enrolled, then started to work under a senior, no one stopped them after a couple of years they sat for the bar exam and then qualified and is now practicing. They did not appear for the Qualifying Examination For Indian Nationals Holding Foreign Law Degrees, dunno how they managed

The Ex- Luthra Partners at DSK are being asked to 'Politely' Leave or are resigning. Is this debate/thread settled?

Reference:

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/250780-Luthra-Folks-who-left-for-DSK-How-are-they-Faring-#comments

"very successful client centric event" bro the EPs were at each other's throats about who invites who to the dinner. Anyway how would you know if it was successful or not, it was an EP only event, what does it have to do with potential exits. Everyone in Gurgaon knows a fight has been shaping up for a long time because the EPs don't even have lunch together anymore and tske up Associate space everyday

If you don't mind using the metro, and are female, I stayed at Surajwati in Sector 44 in 2022 for an internship. Pricey, for a single room, but they keep it neat and have the necessary facilities. No in time as such, and they provide decent enough food. Books out though, so confirm a little sooner.

Hi, please share information of working with Mr. Siddharth Aggarwal, Senior Advocate. How is he as a person to work with? What is the remuneration he offers to his colleagues? Does he allow his colleagues to accept independent work? Any other information which one may keep into consideration when reaching out to his office. Thanks.

Sir can you ask your friend why commission never release Chhatis.JS prelims marks & cutoff? Why HC is silent on this matter?

kisi ko kuch bhi pata ho to bata do ghar par sbko lag rha jhut bol rahi hu ki pariksha diya kuyki official number & cutoff hi nhi dikha paa rahi

most needed thread, I was looking for kind of post past few days where we all can discuss everything about & related to state judicial service. But among 165 comments mostly (irrelevant) discussion is on DJS, plse do also share about other states which left like Haryana, Punjab, Jharkhand, Goa, Karnataka, Assam, etc.

The grapevine sources clearly need to do some basic fact checking. As far as I know they are going ahead with some big lateral recruitments soon. JSA onboarded over 10 partners alone in 2023. They also had a very successful client centric event earlier this week. Big hit with big clients.

This comment seems to have been made by a 17-19 yr ol who is full of self entitlement. Kid, 3yr courses are for graduates and you never know how talented the minds of people are apart from those studying in nls. You're completely failing on being a good student at one of the top law colleges.

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I am doing LLB from a top notch Russel group University in UK and and keeping options open to return to India. Any one walked that path ? How and where do I finish my 2 year QWE in India ? How do I integrate into Indian legal job market and what kind of opportunities will I get in India after my UK LLB degree? Will my UK legal education be welcome by the Indian corporate legal companies ? Any advice is welcome

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Hello everyone, I'm in final year. I have average CV. I only wish to intern in places wherein i have a possibility of bagging a ppo afterwards and where the pay is also respectable.

I have internships lined up in juris corp and then in Samvad. However I've heard that in juris corp after an internship i can ask for extension maybe even a traineeship subsequently that can get converted into a job once i graduate. Plus juris corp pays a solid 80-90k. Samvad on the other hand, it's pay scale seems dicey, some say it's 40-50k whilst some say it is 80-90k.

So should i try my level best to stick to juris corp or is samvad worth interning (from job perspective).

I recently graduated from a college in Noida. I have done enough Tier I internships but I still don't have a job. I always had good reviews through all of my internships but when I asked them for an assessment internship, they hid behind the curtain of hiring freeze. Yet they are onboarding A0s like crazy.

I have been looking for opportunities in the TMT domain as all of my internships are in that domain only. Now it's been four months and I have had only 1 interview in AZB (didn't do well).

Now I have no idea what to do.

Please help me, with leads, suggestions, or whatever you else have.

He is not a million times better economist than Amartya Sen. In fact he built his reputation as valuable as that of Amartya Sen we can say. But for the record Amartya Sen has done way more and achieved way more in the field of development economics that some economists ever would. And Avijit Banerjee surpasses both Sen and Bhagwati

Same thing happened with my in L&L, they said I don't have necessary experience- automated mail.

I have interned in 2 tier 1 firms, 3 tier 2 firms based on capital markets and have a batch rank of 25 in a top 3 NLU, and in the 4rth year. Do all firms only push top 10?

If strong rumours and industry voices are to believed, to shortlist those canditaates who can bring in much freshness to the firm. Khaitan's policy of not generally not shortlisting students who have interned but failed to bag a PPO, has been appreciated and acclaimed by everyone incl law students. It has drastically helped in cutting down those students who just got the internships out of their personal contacts, and didn't know any work. This helped them in segregating those students.

So, top NLUs such as NLS, NALSAR, NUJS and GNLU, who have their placements early next month its a much welcome move for the meritorious move. This move would help both the firms in selecting deserving students since ppl who got in through contacts and also the ppl who got in properly through marks but didn't know a thing and therefore didn't bag a PPO, this would be more or less a curtains for them.

A great move indeed for whichever firms actually implement this highly successful policy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6TBpgZ0Jws&ab_channel=IndiaToday

Has anyone watched this?

For nearly 18 minutes everyone else goes on about skill building and online education and industry focussed and let's do away with books and ancient India and yoga and god knows what. Sudhir comes in to say " This conversation is confused" " We don't need a shallow version of craft" "Best universities in the world teach foundational first principles".

the man doesnt shy away from just disagreeing with everyone eh?

Your ex-boss does not owe you anything. My recommendation- pick up the phone, speak to her, tell her that you plan to apply elsewhere and would be grateful if she can give a benign reference check if called upon. Do also apologize for any f*** ups you did (which I am sure you did, child), and seek forgiveness. Forgiveness is a liberating trait, when practiced for self and others, when sought and given. Best of luck.

You are right, but you have to be pragmatic. Success in today’s world belongs to those who are opportunistic and not moralistic. So that is why Vidhi is the best. Better to earn well and eat at nice restaurants than earn a pittance and go hungry. Can morals and values fill your belly?

LOL. Most reserved category candidates do go for coaching. Because most reserved candidates in an English exam will inherently fall within the 2% of the country that knows English. They are typically children of government officers or rich farmers. If you are looking for repressed lower castes, CLAT ain’t the place to be looking.

https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/news/story/iit-bombays-early-exit-option-witnesses-15-students-opting-for-bsc-degree-2412183-2023-07-26

The closest option available in nlu is to avail extra credits which are more often than not still not enough for graduation of the grades are not exceptional.

And there is the system of grade freezing in nls after the end of the 3rd year but that’s still not totally early graduation per se

Can nlus replicate any other rule like the same as state above?

Yes. Did you expect anything else? Too many law schools with too many students. The surplus students is a result of:

- more seats via reservation (applies to all NLUs and government colleges)

- greed for profit via fees(applies to NLSIU, GNLU, Jindal, Symbiosis and other private colleges)

- financial distress because of low govt funding, leaving fee income and the only income source (applies to NUJS, NLUJ and NLIU).

- Reckless and corrupt Bar Council of India, under Manan Mishra, giving licences to any shady private operator who wants to start a law school

- multiple NLUs in one state, owing to political populism (applies to Maharashtra and MP)

- NLUs opening in states with poor educational infrastructure, owning to political populism (applies to Bihar, Jharkhand, Haryana, HP and Assam, with Sikkim, Tripura, J&K and Uttarakhand coming up)

The solution is to cap the number of law graduates every year to 500 nationally.

Kindly note that parsis were the ancient Babylonians who were persecuted by Muslims. The elite which did not rightly convert came to India. They abandoned everything and came here but became successful. It is like if a businessman loses everything, he still knows the parameters to be successful - put Ambani in the usa, he or his next generation or so will be successful cause they have tasted it once.

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/265371-looking-for-guidance-law-firms-in-kolkata-specializing-in-general-corporate-or-pevc-matters-and-preferred-qualifications

This thread should help. Also, you seem like the same person who posted this, or maybe I am wrong.

Kolkata is a smaller city so hirings happen on a 'as per need basis'. The requirements are the same as other law firms. You need better skills to match up since the no. of posts v no. of candidates ratio might give you stiff competition.

Agree that VCV is only a paper tiger who failed everywhere. At NLSIU Prof Menon made him to resign. At NALSAR FM made him to resign. @IITKGP he was made to resign for administrative irregularity and at Bennet Law School was asked to leave after three years of underperformance

These days employers are reluctant to employ in-house counsel on retainership basis as it attracts 18% GST that's applicable on reverse charge basis. It increases the cost of hiring by 18%! From the lawyer's point of view, a retainer arrangement is better because you pay income tax only on 50% of your income/salary; the rest of your income is presumed by law to be the cost of running your practice.

Have an interview for a competition law team of a tier 1 firm. What should I study? Please just respond with study material and tips and don't inquire about the firm. firm is in Mumbai and I have applied through a headhunter. Let's assume the role is A0 - A2. I've covered most of the basics and I'm up to date with the recent developments.

My firm hasnt announced the appraisal and bonus till now and seems to be in no mood to do so in the next month also. Following up with the partners is just of no use as they keep justifying it or blame it on some other partner.

If this normal? What is the status at other firms?