This post and similar ones are the reason lawyers are called useless.Earning mega bucks does not make lawyers useless or useful,it just makes lawyers high salaried.When you make such posts,it only reinforces the perception that legal profession has lost nobility because lawyers too busy to work on good causes which then gets called useless

This won't stop unless you send a legal notice to your ex boss which has the risk to make your situation worse.Or best to keep trying in firms.You need to give such a great interview and raise your caliber to such an extent that the firms stop paying any attention to your ex partners fees back on you.

You have got your own answer.OLD MONEY (and less to do with parsis,gujju etc) And the community looks out because everyone needs help holding onto their old money status.A bunch of new small firms like Raja ram, TTA,indus eta are not old money and emerging firms.Basically the ones you mention used to run the show,but not as much anymore

That’s sorta true. Their powerful lineage dominates not just in law, but in a lot of other aspects.

You might want to consider Quillon Partners (formerly Platinum) as an option. Having interned at many mumbai law firms (t1s, t2s, boutique), I could sense that the firm’s general culture is inclusive and they’re receptive, you’ll find outside-bombay crowd, people from non-nlus, which is refreshing and mostly free from family run kinda influence.

In most government universities, one usually gets a graduation certificate after the 3rd year. Use that as your ticket to a better college. Lots of options here. You can go for 3 year LLB at SLS, or other colleges. Or explore better "brand" colleges.
Another option is switching colleges, lots of seats open up. Be vigilant, speak to the college admin.
Good luck. And I believe you took a good financial decision.

ICICI came to our campus for 24 batch last semester. They basically have three-rounds selection process. In the first round, they selected 13 students on the basis of their CV from among 50+ applicants. They select CVs randomly by using a software. There is no specific criteria. They give a lot of weightage to your CGPA though.

In the second round, they give you a legal proposition with two questions for discussion. It was an unmoderated 15 minutes GD and our topic was "AI and Law". Speaking a lot of time did not help the candidates, but cooperating among themselves, not interrupting other speakers and moderating the session own their own helped students to qualify the GD. They selected 7 students from the GD round for their final interview round.

Interview round had both technical and HR questions. Technical questions were based on CV. They were focusing a lot on IBC, fintech laws and banking regulations. Follow up questions and hypothetical questions were also there. There were three HR questions: 1. Introduce yourself; 2. Why are you a right fit for us even when you don't have a lot of banking related work in your CV; and 3. Are you comfortable in relocating to a remote location if we offer you a job?They gave out placement offers to 2 students.

They generally don't look for someone who knows all the laws, but they look for people who can fit into their organisation.

Don't know exactly about the timeline of the recruitment process. But generally it's over 1-2 months for getting done with everything, considering that they have a long selection and shortlisting criteria. Additionally, it's one of the best places to work in, considering the CTC and other perks they offer, way more than any of these Tier-1 firms. The work culture is also quite good, considering that even on longer days you get back by 6-7 PM. They offer you exactly what they would to any other new recruits from IIMs/IITs

All CAM offixes are horrible but if you muat join then the best option is Mumbai -work variety and quantity are high ,worst are the rents but if you work through the hell environment for six months then switching to another firm will be lot easiest because you have survived the worst firm and developed Mumbai base.Mumbai and Delhi gave higher number of opportunities but bearing Noida is not worth it,so Mumbai remains the choice

Okay so first of all there is no senior junior culture because of the diverse age range between 1st and 2nd year.

For instance we don’t force to call us ‘Bhaiya’ ‘sir’ ‘didi’ or sometimes urge people not call us out by these terms.

If you are meritorious , smart , problematic and respectful - you will be a good fit. As long as you are not bothering others , it’s chilled here

I am feeling the same. 8 year pqe) with litigation and some corporate experience and married with responsibilities

I wish to leave big cities and settle in a small place and do gardening probably

So I am taking baby steps of somehow able to leave first.

Dekhte hai

Why are the NLU students so obsessed with NLUs? Stop demeaning students from other institutions, everyone is here to study, learn and make a living. It is important to avoid disparaging students from other institutions, as everyone is here to pursue education, learn, and build a future. Our attitude towards others truly reflects our own learning and growth. Instead of demeaning others, let's promote a culture of respect, understanding, and support for all individuals on their unique educational journeys.

I am aghast by the responses above. You should not be making life-changing decisions based on the insight offered on a private anonymous forum. You should absolutely not be taking any advice from other students only!

Here are the items you should consider:

- A five year education in a law degree is a one time investment. Akin to a one time investment in a business / think of it as a one time investment in yourself, to get a professional certification, compound and pay out over your lifetime.

- SLS Pune is one of the oldest institution offering the degree with thousands of peers and reputation in the market. Jindal, Nirma, Christ, NMIMS, all these private institutions are well regarded nationally. If SLS Pune is your best choice, you have to set yourself up for success and take that chance, to have in place a personal brand, a decently good network and recognition! Remember - you are not just paying for education, but also for (i) good peer network; (ii) good alumni network; (iii) market reputation; (iv) building a personality shaped by experiences and exposures from people in all walks of life. Yes, it could be cheaper than 35L-50L at a government law school, but that does not take away that it is valuable.

- Education is a life long investment - 10 years down the line, when you will be making 50L-1cr if all goes well, your biggest regret will be being petty and stingy about the only investment that you needed to make to achieve the

- I was 17 when I joined the five year law program. The fee at the time seemed massive to me. I graduated to a salary of 6LPA. I switched a couple of years later to a pay check of 20-24 LPA. I currently expect to make 35-40 LPA at 27. Looking back, it has only been 4+ years since my graduation. I have been at the right place at the right time, however, in hindsight, I think not participating in the moot, not experiencing going to that conference, etc. were all myopic decisions. In a career spanning 30+ years, you will make a lot of money, short term loans and setbacks are irrelevant.

- Loans help you stabilise and stay grounded. Value the time you are there and work hard to ensure that you are building skills, network and discipline.

Don't be scared of loans, worst case scenario, you declare bankruptcy. Post that you still retain your degree and can probably get work anywhere because the institution is well recognised. Bad scenario - you figure out law is not what you want to practice - you still have a strong peer / alumni network to succeed in ancillary fields, especially because of the depth of your alum network (anyone graduated from Symbi is your network - it doesn't matter if it is al unorganised, people will be happy to sit and interact with you).

In my humble opinion, I think education loan - if you are considering it at all - is never risky, because you are already sold on the institution, your worry is the fees. Unless something incredibly goes wrong, I don't see anyone regretting that loan 10years down the line. It will look like a minor sum (just don't think about it if you intend to not make use of the degree or stay in a metro city).

Much love and best wishes for your success

Jagdish Bhagwati is a million times better than Sen and has been denied a Nobel only because he is not part of the left-liberal cabal. I also find Sen to be deeply hypocritical. Lecturing about poverty while travelling first class and being married to a member of the super-wealthy Rothschild family. This is what Bhagwati has said about Sen:

"Sen...is sometimes described as the Mother Teresa of economics. But she did a lot of good at the micro level, whereas (as I discuss below) his policy prescriptions have done huge damage instead. Let us not insult Mother Teresa."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/delhi/amartya-sen-bhagwati-academic-debate-gets-caught-in-politics/story-cJT45F1gbCJJhQB0mb8YSM.html

Then let's not forget his political bias. Attacking Modi but silent on the violence and corruption in Bengal.

Banerjee is good and does not show such political bias. But I have reservations about his morals (Duflo was his former student and co-researcher when he got her pregnant, while still married to his wife: see links below).

https://www.project-syndicate.org/blog/esther-s-baby

https://www.ft.com/content/81804a1a-6d08-11e1-ab1a-00144feab49a

Kian, singlehandedly made and destroyed one of the best websites for corporate lawyers in India. Bring back legally India.

I am not telling you to shut down the forum based legally india (which functions as of now) at the end of the day juniors need a place to vent and be angry.

Without shutting down this forum, Kian bring back legally india - bypass FDI rules. Transfer LI to an entity in UK. Do something.

Here is the truth: most students from upper-middle class and affluent backgrounds, who are used to a certain comfortable standard of living, leave after seeing the state of the hostels. The only ones who retain their places are:

- People from Kolkata, who commute daily from home.

- Certain people from neighbouring Bihar and Jharkhand, from whom proximity to home by train/plane trumps filthy living conditions.

- People from poor families, who are used to discomfort and hardship and do not mind the hostels.

As a result, the demographics of NUJS has changed a lot.

The political bias of the moderator is disgusting. It is a FACT that the TMC controls the admin. Just go to the website and look at the governing body members. Filled with MLAs, MPs, TMC-office bearers and open sympathisers. Why are people marked trollish for pointing out a FACT?

Here are some influential people:

Arundhati Katju (Time 100 honouree)

Menaka Guruswamy (Time 100 honouree)

Karuna Nundy (Time 100 honouree)

Aishwarya Bhati (ASG and former BJP legal cell convener)J Sai Deepak (RSS backed)

Suhan Mukerji (backed by Congress and Mahua Moitra)
Jai Dehadrai (backed by Mahua Moitra)

Moderator may have censored it, but we all know very well which influential person you are referring to. You obviously have leftist sympathies and are trying to make mischievous assertions. FYI the guy got into NLSIU 100% on merit in the general category by cracking CLAT. He does not show off his father’s power and does not act arrogantly. Also, his father is one of the most hardworking leaders in the country and has no airs. You people should reflect on why Congress has been reduced to ruling just a few states.

People are bound to be toxic in a competitive environment like NLS.

Pro tip: The absolute toppers of the batch are usually the most toxic of the lot. Look for seniors who are above average at studies, they are the most helpful!

If you are really against toxicity then you should rise up in protest against the admin which can actually begin any time soon!

Oh right. Cause actually having more exposure in legal education means im somehow in a bubble? More exposure means im more misinformed somehow? FWIW I didnt have an epiphany at my grad school. I had depression during my undergrad because of how pathetic things were. I almost fell out of love with the law and gave it all up until I could leave law school and fall back in love with the law . Do you think students at HYS/ Oxbridge whinge about writing research papers ? or without doing internships? They do easily- 10 times the work without whinging and without lying and cheating. Realistically- is anyone arguing that an nlu grad spends 8-10 hours a day working? likely not. You party all term- waste your life- then get serious during exam week and do your best. the toppers get serious two weeks before everyone else maybe. Thats shameful. saying this happens at IITs too is whataboutery. Have you met the average IIT grad? Youll never meet a less educated more confidently wrong person ever! That shouldn't be our goal. I suggest you leave your mediocre bubble and actually talk to people who have had a decent and challenging legal education. Do not tell me that our students are overburdened when most of them have bragged and bragged about how they have gamed the system and how they spend all their time in law school hooking up and smoking up. Of course, young people are stupid! thats precisely why its incumbent upon us older ones to remind then and uphold standards for academic integrity and rigor. otherwise youre letting the inmates run the asylum.

If youre preparing for the job market- you have to prepare for one where AI will do most of the dumb grunt work and youll actually need to have legal skills. Good luck doing that while taking things easy.

It is racist to think indians cant do any better than this so we might as well never try. Its that culture of poverty bullshit that doesnt take into account that human beings have constantly achieved things that were thought impossible.

The culture within the campus is quite liberal, just like other national level institutes. You will have the opportunity to live with students from different parts of India. The faculty pool is also quite diverse. No one would even give a damn if you're dating or hooking up or into recreational drugs, just mind your own business and don't create a ruckus. Ofcourse there would be judgemental people everywhere but TNNLU wouldn't be a school like Symbi or Christ. There is no prescribed dress code and you can wear even shorts or tracks to classes. Plus, the university has a very vibrant in-campus social activities like DJ nights, jamming sessions, sports fests etc on a regular basis. So overall, the vibe is pretty chill

Maybe being an outsider to the corruption that plagues the indian education system is a good thing? itll help them be honest instead of trying to be polite or be bogged down in "this is our culture" arguments about corrupt practices. Araghya assumes that lawyers in america and england are not trained in policy or litigating even though clinical programmes there are clearly more successful than the sham we have here. I think largely he might just be bitter that nls didnt consult vidhi to do this. the SRC is free to gather data on their own- they dont have to rely on what admin tells them.

He doesnt lecture you and give you a pep talk to inspire you. That is pretty cheap. But if he cares about you- he will help you learn how to do things, learn how to be better, he will consistently be honest and tell you where you should improve. And he will encourage you. And a good word from him actually feels real - rather than empty praise from linkedin gurus. Go on google scholar- look at how many younger scholars thank him in acknowledgements for their papers/ books. Then come back about how sudhir doesnt help people.

SAM has somewhat of a brand name but CAM has lost all its reputation after CBI raids,clean chit to ICICI CEO being subsequently charged in CBI FIR, MP buying luxury flat in Worli in Covid while salary cuts imposed on CAM employees, ILFS legal controversies and the recently lengthy desperate reply to Hidenburg reports.LI has several posts and conversations on the work culture in CAM being toxic.Don't Think there's a SCAM brand just SAM brand.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/alpha-lawyers-american-firms-london-mega-salaries-bonuses-dls5xxw8v

Lawyers are the new bankers - we don’t need a stem degree to prove our worth :)

I think all you need is a small side gig/habit. At 8 year PQE, you would have a reasonable standing to select something that you can accommodate even in an unpredictable environment. A new language, a new musical instrument, a new fitness regime, a small blog of something you love. Don't aim for grand things...just something small that you can devote 20 mins a day. That alone will give you plenty of happiness and relieve this feeling without impacting the stability that your family needs or the life that you have already built.

You'll be the first choice of Associates who want to delegate work. They'd also expect you to have some basic understanding of law. They expect you to give them (or atleast try to give them) workable solutions to issues if you can't find an exact answer with your research and not merely surface level research. Also, be prepared to answer questions that arise from your work. A lot of Interns get flustered when questions are put to them and far to quickly say they need more time to look up the issue when questions are out to them about the research. Have conviction in your work.

Secondly, proof read and format your work. If you get the opportunity to draft something, try to imbibe the drafting style of the team you're working with. Apply yourself and take small risks. Don't simply copy paste from an existing draft.

Thirdly, build a repo with everyone in the team. People want to work with people they like.

An absolute horrendous view. How is 3 years of difference in the establishment year making the alumni base wider. Hardly makes any sense. You've got to give credit where it is due. The Government of Tamil Nadu as well as the Madras High court has been very proactive in developing the institute. No one's claiming it's a Harvard, but it's a decent enough institute to pursue your dreams. There are multiple online trolls hating on TNNLU, attacking domicile reservation and giving a false perception to the community. At the end of the day, the results what the university has been producing can't be altered. It is evident that TNNLU has surpassed some of its older competitors like DSNLU, NLU Assam and CNLU.

The student crowd and the facilities are comparable to NLU-O and NUALS. At the end of the day, it's just clear that TNNLU is a much better university than the MNLU's.

In a past radio show, Dame Carol Black, who was the principal at Newnham College Cambridge, was asked about the advice she shares with her students when considering their future. Without missing a beat, she replied, "I tell them to 'have a go'. If you don't go for something you can never have it, you can only have regrets".

The pain of regret is worse than any fear that is holding you back.

Haha. Sudhir has written me several recommendations and I don't meet a single one of the points above. Not a topper, did not drop, did not apply to oxford or yale. never wanted to be a rhodes scholar. Constantly fought with him about issues and disagreed with him.Did not top any exams (double digits in CLAT- but he didnt know me then). Not a snob. pretty silent usually.

I know tons of folks sudhir has mentored who didnt even go to NLUs and were certainly not toppers.

folks are so consistently wrong about him its wild.

All I did was - I worked my butt off for him, proved to him that my grades did not determine my potential, and showed him how honest I was about the work. Build an authentic connection and he might appreciate you. If you try to suck up to him and try and game some system- he might still write you a letter- but he wont actually admire you. Man is all about the work.

I'm a batch 24 student from a mid-tier NLU having bad campus placement scenarios. I have a good CV. My only hope is bagging a PPO. However, I do not have any connections in T-1 firms. Currently, I do not have any assessment lined up. I was very hopeful regarding my previous T-1 internship but it traumatized me instead. Things did not work out as I planned them to be. I am watching my peers from T-1 NLUs grabbing PPOs. I am gradually losing hope. Even thoughts of switching career are hitting my head. Is there any hope for me left? What should I do? Should I keep on sending assessment applications to lawfirms? I am very clueless.