Haha.

My dear friend, your concern for others is appreciated, but it doesn't identify the entirety of problems.

The fight is for changing the system. Problems with Tiers are just one of the results of the flawed system. What Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier 3. NLUs are failing. And not just Tier 2, Tier 3. But ALL OF THEM including Tier 1. People from Tier 1 come and bicker here to prove why one University is above the other. All NLUs and not just Tier 2 & 3 promote exclusionary education system. You would rarely see people from humble background taking admissions in these universities. If 5 people out of 120 belong to such background, then it's an exception not a norm.

Fees: Every NLU and not just Tier 2 & 3 charge exorbitant fees. Rs. 2.5 lacs per year could be now easily called as average fees for NLUs. Majority of people in this country don't have an annual income to that amount. And one wonders why does a degree in law require such heavy fee burden.

Every NLU and not just Tier 2 & 3 have admin issues. While I may agree that the authorities at 2 & 3 (generally) are more tyrannical (due to lack of proper representative authority of students, no pushback from Alumni base), Tier 1s have not completely shrug of such issues.

All NLUs promote corporatisation of legal system. While money remains one of the foundational ideal goals of an individual, NLU system has struck a deep blow to the traditional practice of law.

Not to mention, how NLUs have converted themselves into a place where students with deep pockets, who are brats of wealthy advocates and judges, take over the system and virtually diminish the balance which might be caused by an organised system.

And there are concerns. You yourself can better recall and summarise them.

Retake clat again if you feel unsettled in your tier-3 nlu.

IF you feel nervous to retake clat, actively work hard here. Reach out to professors and practitioners on LinkedIn, most importantly your alumni who made it into tier-1/2 law firms (I am sure there must be some) on how to improve your CV and portfolio.

Reach out to folks pursuing LLM at a decent foreign university. Make new connections with T-1 NLU ppl.

Improve your writing skills and article constructing style. Work really hard. Maybe you start your journey at a boutique firm but from there you can even go toe in toe with other law schools’s alumni if you are really that good.

Best of luck bro/sis.

I get it. Tier-1 NLU has an amazing tag. But what about the suffering tier-3 nlu ppl face? That’s never highlighted here.

What about the hostile administration at TNNLU, poor faculty at NLUJAA, worsening placements at NUSRL and inferior student quality in all of them including Jabalpur/Sonipat? Also bad conditions at MNLU Nagpur

We are human beings as well. Bura lagta hein jab aap suffer krte ho and the tier-1 nlus who are supposed to help you fight for their first world problems.

Chandrachud is a very smart person, he is one of those preach but don't practice guys, ▮▮▮

He made a lot of statements about diversity and feminism and what not, but he hasn't elevated a single female to SC, 2 of his appointments are products of nepotism.

He keeps giving oral observations about liberty and rights and all that but they are limited to oral remarks and are not reflected in judgements.

He will form a bench knowing fully well that they will decide against gay marriage and then give a dissenting judgement.

Same thing was done by UU Lalit in EWS case, but atleast lalit didn't go around acting like a messiah and giving stupid speeches.

His courts have time to hear stupid PILs about removing senior advocate system, removing E=MC² and theory of evolution from school syllabus, but they can't spare enough time to hear and decide umar Khalid's bail plea, he has been In jail for years now.

Don't be mistaken, chandrchud is playing the same role as congress did in 1890s, he does lip service so liberals don't join the movement for increasing demand of accountability from judiciary, especially with regards to appointments.

A man like gogoi or Arun mishra is still better than Chandrchud, because you can depend on them to do what they say, meanwhile chandu is just a wolf in sheep's clothing.

- A rant

@kian please pin this thread, as literally 80% audience at LI is asking for this information. Also for seniors levels, people can mention laterals etc.

How this helps

1. Knowledge of hiring and internship strategy and not getting misled by HR.

2. Knowing the partner and attrition patterns

For firms

3. Knowledge common will increase changes of better candidates and not restrict to a few

Socially, gender is self-determined. Legally, it will get assigned to you on birth that's beyond your control. You need to actually undergo procedures to get it changed lawfully and even then it is rather difficult. So, good out of the box thinking, but sadly, not practical yet.

While the mentioned criteria are important and may highlight specific skills or attributes, it's essential to note that none of them necessarily guarantees that a lawyer excels in the practice of law. Effectiveness as a lawyer encompasses a wide range of qualities, experiences, and client-focused skills that go beyond the alma mater or recognition by magazines etc.

How can judiciary make law when it not even under their realm. if they would have interpret all person law in such a way of making laws or recognizing the same marriage which are not covered under any personal law would it self be against the principles of interpretation and judicial overreach.

SC should had atleast recognize the same couple relation so that might have paved the way to make legislation

I'm pretty naive, so please don't mind such questions.

1. How does senior advocates gets cases ?

2. Why aren't they allowed to file and meet clients directly?

3. Do they have to develop contacts with other lawyers to get cases ?

4. Do they only argue ? And not anything else?

5. What is counsel practice?

Please help.

Hey if anyone who has gone through hard work to crack clat get into a tier 1 and is working in a law firm and is just trying to support his parents and his family and just wants to be accepted and is actually getting swayed by these watch talks dont spend money on the watch i repeat DO NOT, its just a bunch of Nico leonard watchers having fun on this site dont take it serious, hardly anyone can own a patek, just wear a classy leather band dress watch under 5 k that'll do

I don't know the context but perhaps it is about the same-sex judgment that the Supreme Court delivered today. Advocate Ashish Goel has tweeted that "Justice Chandrachud will take on the Central Government, but he will dare not take on the BJP. There is a definite pattern to see, judgment after judgment. Judges, as human beings, have aspirations" (https://twitter.com/ashish_nujs/status/1714191630088147315). Is this correct? Has Chief Justice of India has not given any judgment against the BJP? What could be the pattern? This is an important issue and goes to the heart of judicial independence. Can someone please elaborate?

1) Indus CM Mumbai - always hiring, aggressively offers call backs (avoid Delhi and BLR for CM)

2) KCO CM Mumbai - mass recruiter, always hires freshers due to heavy attrition

3) KCO CM Bangalore - very small team, not hiring

4) KCO CM Noida - very small team, not hiring

5) SAM CM Delhi - despite the attrition they are not hiring

6) SAM CM Mumbai/Delhi NCR - offered a lot of callbacks, might be looking to hire

7) JSA CM Mumbai - laterals preferred, freshers not entertained, not hiring

8) JSA CM Delhi NCR - very small team, not hiring

9) Bharucha CM Mumbai - very small team, not hiring

10) S&R CM Mumbai - very selective for internships, no clue

11) CAM CM Mumbai - very selective for internships, no clue

12) TT&A CM Mumbai - very selective for internships, no clue

13) L&L CM Delhi - not hiring because of huge intake last year

14) Trilegal CM Mumbai - simply avoid, too many people, very little work, no clue about hiring

15) Saraf CM Mumbai - not hiring

Hello everyone, what are some of the good teams at Trilegal, preferably Mumbai to intern with? Ones that offer decent exposure/learning and not treated like an absolute robot. Please feel free to also list some that one should avoid.

Would really appreciate if the general trend of "all teams bad" is avoided and some answers are shared

I already have a nice watch, but the problem is that I don't have a job, my ultimate goal is to become a Partner at one of these T1 firms, right now these people are not giving me any chance to even showcase my talent, So I thought I should become a housekeeping staff, which will make me useful for them, and help me climbing the corporate ladder.

P.S: I have a decent CV + have a PQE of 23 years in housekeeping, if any of law firm partners is reading this, please get me a job as a housekeeping staff.

Bhagwan aapka bhala karega, bhaut saare clients dega

Honestly, at this point, I think the gays should just maliciously comply. As far as I can tell " heterosexual" trans-gender marriages are now legally valid throughout the country. And no government institution can require medical treatment- hormones or surgery , gender is determined by self-identification. One of the partners in the gay couple should declare themselves as feeling womanly one day- get married and one of the people in a lesbian couple should just declare themselves a man. If the only way that this court understands marriage is as between two different genders- then lets play around with our genders. Its humiliating- a gay man shouldnt have to call himself a woman and a gay woman shouldnt have to call herself a man- but clearly the court cannot see how homosexual folks dont have the right to marry who they love but heterosexuals ( and some trans folks) can. I say exploit any loopholes- make these guys look like idiots.

Since when are these coaching centres the decision makers for which law school is good for you? They are run by failed lawyers who couldn't do anything with their law degrees or education. Nor do they have any idea about most of these universities that they rank. In fact, they are currently running after many of these places to jointly start offering courses on PPP model, in another effort to scam students who can't crack CLAT.

Hi guys, I will be applying for internships. I know that someone works at some team and may know whether the team is hiring or not. Could you anonymously tip on which team of your firm, which office location, firm is hiring (I like CM though, from a Tier 1 NLU)

CAM, SAM, Indus, Trilegal, Khaitan, S&R Associates, JSA.

L&L, Saraf, ELP, Bharucha, any other firm.

This will really help us understand.

Let me start this

CAM Noida Corp- Not hiring

Saraf CM- Not hiring

The year was bad for all NLUs, but we did not do very badly. It will take time for any institution to grow and gain a rep to convince the recruiters. There have been a few PPOs to some really smart students. Doubtless they will do well and help the institution get a better deal in the days to come. We are trying our best ti improve despite a lot of odds, honestly. We are also thinking of getting in touch with senior batches and alum from older NLUs, who can perhaps share their placement experience and advice.

Absolutely. Teachers who can't get the students to focus during classes are no good. Most of NLS old teachers did not know anything or else were hopelessly outdated, nor did they move on from 19th Century pedagogy that's useless to teach 21st Century students. Sudhir is now wisely hiring some amazing people in whose classes students turn up even without attendance enforcement and who command the highest respect from the students without having to lay down discipline according to medieval standards.

Dude, things aren't that bad either. I am an SA1 at a T1 M&A practice. I take at lest 2 proper (foreign) holidays a year. Add to that at least 1-2 short conferences/client meetings abroad (I've done Dubai and Singapore). Not all practice areas might have these options, but M&A and (maybe) Competition do.

Haha. No . You dont find students sleeping in classes at harvard, oxford, any of the ivies- they would get shamed out of there. Dont normalise crappy behavior because you cannot be bothered to do better. If you think class time is just for attendance and not for learning and engaging with peers and instructors- you are saying something about the standard of the place.

Bruh, you can't ask for Bajaj EMI at the watch boutique. I was able to put in on my Infinia card, no harm if you plan ahead. The higher interest rate is part of the cost of owning a great watch at that point in your career. Trust me, it pays for itself in the networking and professional cachet it lends you. You've got to spend money to make money (or move ahead in this profession).

Commitment to justice for women, sex based rights, opposition to terrorism, the constitution of our country and free speech arent too much to expect from people who will cancel and call you a bigot if you disagree with them. The left is on the verge of total collapse if they do not get their act together.

A lot gets said about the Israel-Palestine issue. I think on here too, in light of the Winston Strawn withdrawn offer saga.

Maybe the views of a christian born in the erstwhile Palestine would help give some context for everyone's benefit:

https://youtu.be/7g1ooTNkMQ4?si=fX2-B3QdzA0adjq5

This isn't about any employer's staffing policies or prospective employees desirable behaviour. Simply food for thought on an issue people speak about more than they speak about Manipur.

What all tasks are undertaken by the real estate teams in law firms? If I have to choose real estate as a practice area in Bangalore, what all aspects should I factor in? Also, is there any guide that I could refer to in order to understand real estate practice?

Please help out - I am a law student with no prior experience in this practice area and I'm working on selecting my preferred practice area. Thank you!

One of the petitioners, RW influencer, Abhijit Iyer-Mitra, has tweeted before and after the verdict as follows:

NON EXPERT SOOTHSAYING: The #LGBT verdict in the #SupremeCourt today will refuse marriage equality citing constitutional limits & kick it to parliament. The government will use that judgement for enacting the Uniform Civil Code with marriage equality.

"The delicious irony: UCC will be enacted in India, on the basis of an LGBT marriage equality verdict! So much for “intersectionality”.

https://twitter.com/Iyervval/status/1714167923642654990

The left (or for that matter the right or centre) has never been a homogenous entity. There is a broad agreement on some principles but beyond that it is a 'big tent' for a range of views. The problem arises when you (or others) imagine that yours (or theirs) is the only view. There is space for everyone. Learn to have respectful disagreements and to respect that others' views even within the same space may not always align with yours.

Its a gross assumption to assume that high performers don't have mental health issues too. They do. they are human just like you. you are not special because you're depressed. You have an illness- get it treated, learn how to manage it- and get back out there. Be an adult. No one wants to hire a child. Learn some coping strategies, go get therapy, go get medication, take time off, and put your life together- your mental health is your responsibility- if I have diabetes I can't blame my firm if I refuse to take my insulin, if I have heart conditions- I cannot blame the firm if I refuse to eat a salad and scarf down McDonalds- you're being held to an equal standard- not a special one. Everyone has struggles in life.

Sacrificing social events- I mean come on- you're not missing the birth of your firstborn or the funeral of your father- you're missing a party maybe- that should be acceptable in a society where we value work at all. The idea that work is something that has to give way to every other want and desire in an individual's life- that one should have time to play and date and watch netflix and go clubbing and go on vacations and only in the time left over should one be required to work- is childish greedy nonsense. If farmers behaved that way you wouldn't have food to eat, If soldiers behaved that way- you wouldn't have a country. you need to contribute to society as much or more than you take from it to be a morally good person. If you think you have a pass to go through life without demonstrating the same commitment to your community and your country that farmers and soldiers do- you're admitting to being a morally inferior waste of space and no one should feel sorry for you. Every day we're in the world we need to work to make it better- and part of that is doing well at your work- making money- and spending that money to employ other people. This is how we fight poverty. When you refuse to create value- you are indulging in anti-social behavior. Stop being a consumer- start being a citizen.

1. Bare act and underlying regulations - the general regulations, combination regulations, leniency regulations are important

2. Amendments to the competition act, draft regulations that have been published this year

3. GCR reports on Indian competition law

Good luck!

I had recently been interviewed for Bangalore office of a T1 firm. Post the interview with the Partner a test was shared which was submitted in due time. It has been 1.5 weeks and got no response so decided to follow up with the HR. The HR said that the Partner is currently travelling and therefore there has been no response from there end.

Should I assume that I have been rejected or should have some hopes for a positive response?

Hi. Please visit firm websites. You’ll find email IDs of partners there. You can also read up about them to get a better idea of work they do.

While some are ok with emails, some partners aren’t. But you’ve nothing to lose. So fire away those emails and remember

For every 30 emails you send, maybe 1 will reply. So don’t be discouraged

Clearly, some good sense has prevailed. The Supreme Court cannot legislate same sex marriage into the law. The SMA was created not to discriminate against same sex couples but to recognise inter caste and inter religious marriages. There is some disagreement about adoption. And there is some troubling language that DYC and others have used regarding "Queerness" which is a very vague open ended concept. If you mean to say Lesbian gay and bisexual- say lesbian gay and bisexual. If you mean to say trans etc- say that. It is still troubling that you can identify your way into a gender/ sex class- but in this context it doesnt bother me much.

Now just to be clear- I want same sex marriage for this country. I just want us to legislate it instead of destroying the seperation of powers and the constitution and any reasonable interpretation of that document to make something I want happen. And while we're on about making these laws just for homosexual couples- lets make these laws just for women and intercaste and inter religious couples as well. Hate vidhi all you want- they saw this coming a mile away- its about time liberals stopped being hypocritical and subservient to the islamic clerics and got behind a uniform civil code.

Liberals need to reflect on why they lost this one. Its a bad loss and it was avoidable if they didnt a) have the annoying quality of complaining to teacher everytime they lost on the play ground and instead got in there and fought and convinced their fellow citizens of the virtues of what they wanted and b) did not decide they and their supreme court judges were unquestionably morally better than the rest of the country so they didnt even need to engage in the democratic process as the rest of the country. Nearly every landmark progressive move in the country has come not from the court- which is by design a conservative institution- but from the legislature.

A girl from Jindal (Harshita Agarwal) earns as an influencer through Youtube ads per view. Here's her channel. The key is to make good content that also looks professional. Easier than it looks.

https://www.youtube.com/@harshita_agarwal07

Appearing before consumer forum and other forums which does not require a lawyer specifically for arguing. Doing internships that pays well, upwork free lance work, quiz competition, essay and content creations for law blogging sites, work for NGO, filing work etc. Skills sab sikh jaogey, market utar jao bas. Ek baar skills agyi toh time management khud ajyga.

The reason they chose to prioritise NLIU over GNLU is that LE is from Bhopal, and a majority of their students also hail from Bhopal. Harsh being an alumnus, has a clear bias. The decision to rank NLUJ above GNLU is even more baffling, considering NLUJ has no Rhodes Scholars and their placements this year have been abysmal, though GNLU also had a bad year in terms of placements. It's high time we disregard LE's biased ranking list. They do not consult students who are already attending these colleges. Also, let's emphasise once again that your stream is irrelevant. Nobody cares about your stream as long as you're sitting in Day Zero alongside your batchmates.

The ideal rankings should be: (I have given more weight to corporate placements and ranked only the top 10 colleges, although I don't recommend choosing colleges below the top 8).

1. NLS

2. NALSAR

3. NUJS

4. GNLU

5. NLUJ

6. NLIU

7. HNLU

8. NLUO

9. RMNLU

10. MNLU