Jo -1 maara hai mahaan vyakti, would love to know, how many UI/UX Designers he is in contact with. Does he/she even understand what does a UI/UX Designer do and what's the difference b/w UI/UX designer, Product designer, Visual Communication designer?

Nahi pata tha na differentiation? Bas maar diye hathode. Waah.

Yes, go for it. Obviously I am assuming you have the ability to get into a T1 firm.

If you're very clear that you will be working very hard, doing tedious work and doing it for the money, without any illusions about having a "passion" for the law or the minutiae of corporate legal documents you'll probably have an advantage over the average law student.

I don't think an MBA is any easier way to make money - it's just a different set of tradeoffs and T1 law compares favourably in several ways - everyone thinks their job is the worst and grass is greener on the other side but that isn't true.

Of course if you are TRULY money focussed, then entrepreneurship is the best way to get truly wealthy at a level way beyond T1 lawyers - but that has a lot of RISK. If you don't want to take that kind of risk but want money then T1 law is a good option (along with investment banking, consulting, MBA blah blah - this is why London and New York are full of Indians in those fields).

There will be significantly less hiring for 26 batch. The market is saturated already, and students, including from the top 3, will have to bear the brunt. As a student of the 26 batch at a t1, I am first-hand experiencing the scarcity of internships being offered to our batch.

I wanted to pursue a degree outside India and I am currently in a t2 nlu. I am really interested in the finance field and want to work in the likes of jp morgan etc. I know it is comparatively off the scope of law but if i were to do something in that direction, would mba be more feasible or llm?

Markets are at all time highs and again very busy with n number of companies looking at IPOs and QIPs. It seems there is a crazy hiring spree by tier 1 firms like Trilegal, AZB, S&R, SAM right now given the number of recruiters and firm HRs approaching.

Fellow CM lawyers from these teams, could you please tell us your experience in terms of pay, team environment, and working hours?

Hi, I've secured an internship w a T1 in their TMT team. As this was not my preferred choice and I have never worked in such a practice area before, can anyone guide me as to -
1. What are the basics that I should know?
2. What type of work is given?
3. Any team-specific advice?

Thanks in advance.

In one of the biggest news today, GNLU has once again shown its mettle after bagging the Rhodes scholarship for 3 times. GNLU's own 2021 graduate student, Anmol Rathore has secured a stupendous rank of AIR-7 in the just concluded UPSC Exam 2024. It is the ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮

Even as GNLU has long surpassed NLUJ in all aspects, it looks that it is closing in on NUJS with the Big-4 of NLS, NALSAR, NUJS and GNLU giving a tough competition to each other to maintain their positions.

The link of the news story:-

https://www.dnaindia.com/education/report-meet-anmol-rathore-j-k-girl-who-cracked-upsc-cse-2023-in-third-attempt-her-air-is-7-civil-services-exam-3085656

Students can easily study the 20 mandatory subjects in 3 years.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/plea-before-supreme-court-calls-for-3-year-llb-right-after-school

The current five-year duration puts an unnecessary financial burden, plus takes away two precious additional years in a youth's life.

This plea goes smack against those who take a drop year (sometimes up to three) and then pursue the 5-year LLB degree, and exorbitant fees charged by law schools (including the state NLUs).

I will be going to NLS this year...I have been told that Law School is supposed to be very competitive so much so that all everyone cares about it getting ahead...also that everyone secretly talks shit about the others...and that there is generally a lonely environment...I am nervous about dealing with such a situation....seniors please help!!

in a 32 page prospectus https://www.hpnlu.ac.in/PDF/b6e7c943-c37f-408f-854b-7a2f9deef80b.pdf

VC's photo is there for 26 times

I have info on this. Dekho.

1. UI UX - unless you do the full design specialisation from Srishti school or MIT Design it is difficult to get a good entry level job. All top companies hire UI UX designers after 2-3 y of experience.

Hence, you will have to struggle for 2-3y if you don't do undergrad or PG in Design. After that getting that big break is again difficult because there are many designers and sab ek se ek hai.

Also, MidJourney is a threat. It can create those homepages which you think you only can make and make it unbelievably beautiful. And there are A.I. tools available now that can convert this into Figma files. So, it is a threat. That is why I myself did not pursue it because I just did not have the brain to compete with it's design. Search App UI with Midjourney in YouTube.

Now, if you are okay with this, and ready to take a bet that it is just a threat I think you will be happy in a Design school. Ans will have a great career.

2. Law - Dekho paisa jo hai, woh Tier 1 law firm me hai for aam people with no connections. But, to get in you need to be in Top 5 NLUs + have a thick skin to stay there. Aisa nahi hai ki bahar ke log aate nahi hai, par the path is a bit longer in getting in.

Now what should you do?

- See Law is a licensing exam. Without a Law degree, specifically, you cannot practice law. But, without a Design degree you can be a UI UX designer.

Search for Saptarshi Prakash of Swiggy, Abhinav of 10kdesigners, Ansh Mehra. All are Engineers. So, you can do the Google UI UX Design Professional certification, do some 10k-15k ka internships at any point of your career and then at max do an MS of 1y and be a UI UX Designer. That MS is also not needed tbh.

So the best course of action is to do Law. Because later you won't be able to switch and get into all these T1 firms as they won't really take a 3y LLB kid (unless you are from NLS) when they have so many applications from NLU kids.

Do law. Get 3-4y experience. Then if you want to shift join 10k designers ka cohort and you are in. This way you will have some money in the bank too.

Q) How do I know this shit?

I am an Engineer. Designer. I lurk around this forum because I like law. Unexpected people, right? ☺️

I once interned at a 10 lawyer corp firm at Nariman Point. They used to make coffee with Rs. 2 Nescafe packets.

But this firm was so chindi that they you had to get your own coffee (and also maybe milk and sugar, don't recall because I have black coffee anyway) if you wanted more than one single cup per day.

theres a sort of mania about race in america. Everything is race. This was a wealthy wealthy man who beat and murdered his wife. What does that have to do with police discrimination on race? If this is representation for black community- they need to think about what theyre being represented as.

look at all those unpublished comments ! If the mods dont want to deal with this kind of tough issue- they can just refuse to publish any posts about israel/palestine. Instead they publish some and not others- and refuse to check their biases. Of course you are- its human nature to be. If you publish comments on how the IDF is a terrorist organisation but not on how the professors involved here arent even israeli- theyre just american jews- then you are biased. So just quit the game. Have some humility- you dont know enough about enough to not get played by propagandists on either side. Keep the forum for discussing law schools/ firms/ courts/ etc and not this sort of culture war stuff.

https://upsc.gov.in/sites/default/files/FR-CSM-23-engl-160424.pdf

Spectacular results from NLUs this year, as more and more graduates are cracking the civil service exams. Do add to the results, as and when they're identified.

1. Rank 7- GNLU
2. Rank 55 - NLSIU
3. Rank 100 - GNLU
4. Rank 243 - NLSIU

some tier III NLUs have managed to move to Tier II. HPNLU seeks to create its own Tier IV.

Alleged continuous financial irregularities (especially when ▮▮▮ was the VC), bad hostels, worse mess food and basically no brand name. You'd legitimately be better off joining something like NMIMS or NIRMA - they are actually decent colleges.

Yes. NLU Shimla is ▮▮▮ and below average college. No ▮▮▮ ▮▮▮. No campus of its own. No jobs or even good internships. For just an average LLB degree why spend 15-20 lakh and 5 years of time in city which has nothing except few days or a week of hill station experience. Himachali people may go for it who want to build a practice in Shimla not others. Study in Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore for better opportunities

Dear,

I would suggest you to for Ui/ Ux it's more creative and interesting. It's has huge scope & demand in the market. Law firms & Litigation are more toxic and uncertain in terms of WLB . I would suggest yo go for Ui / ux instead of continuing legal industry. Believe me you will grow much in ui / ux industry. Legal industry has its own limitations & problems.

This is highly skewed and the "reference" point is overstated. If a kid from christ or sls gets a PPO it is because they are better than the rest of the interns, college hardly ever matters during PPO, the team submits your feedback basis your work, half of the team won't even know which year/which college you're from.

College and grades help you get your foot in and during day zero. If you already have an internship then the college will play no role in a PPO.

Another problem is the political toxicity in law schools (from all sides). People are blacklisted and cancelled by those classmates who disagree with their political views. This adds to depression and isolation. I blame social media for this. Social media has radicalised Gen Z politically (both RW and LW) and made them intolerant.

You can't expect to stand out when it's your first internship. Towards your 3rd 4th internship when you already know the work, you can stand out purely on the quality of work.

For PPOs: be nice (no one wants a douche in the team), you know your practice area and give out good quality work at par with an a0.

First of all, nothing will move till the election ends.

Second, after the election results, Kishore Datta will try to exert undue influence, like last time.

Third, unlike last time, things will be very different this time. Last time, the CJI was Gogoi and he nominated Rajendra Mishra. Two terrible judges with zero concern for legal education. This time, Chandrachud will be around till Nov 2024 and Khanna till May 2025. They won't be as apathetic. Also, they will probably delegate the matter to Justice Dipankar Datta, as the senior-most SC judge from the Calcutta HC. Even if Kishore delays matters till after May 2025, when gave takes over, Dipankar Datta will still probably be the CJI's nominee. Now, if the TMC does as badly as opinion polls suggest, the government will be on the backfoot and no SC judge will want to appease them. On the contrary, they will cut down Kishore Datta to size.

Lol. You’re insane. Bangalore and Hyderabad are developed because of the regional governments that worked on bringing tech companies there. We don’t need to be under some central government. We specifically don’t need to be under a bjp government which equates corruption to doing business. Tell me one company in Yogi Raj that builds something with as little evil as early Infosys/ Wipro.

Yeah. They pretty much claimed victim hood and did not do one bit of work through at least two years of law school- for some of them it was the most important years of law school. I actually heard some of them argue that to make them read was to oppress them. They sat at home and fostered a very fragile ego that would shatter if you gave them feedback or told them to do their jobs. Anything that is not praise is seen as abusive.

They think they’re activists but they’re really just badly socialised work shy over grown toddlers. They don’t do any activism for poor people or other people.They only do it for themselves. And they demand everyone treat them with kid gloves but they have poor emotional control and regulation so they lash out quite badly if you’re not pleasing them all the time.

University administrations went with it because it was the easy thing to do. So they never learnt consequences and think the workplace will change to suit them as well. They really do think work is just - hanging out in an office - watching videos on their phone , maybe playing on their computer, and then going to a high end bar to spend their salary.

I think you should fire them to be honest. A good kick in the pants would set them straight. And I think you should strongly consider hiring based on tests and on class. You should focus your hiring on people from disadvantaged economical backgrounds because that cohort stayed hungry and worked hard even though covid.

They do pay the salary scale which has been mentioned to most associates and are open to discussion on salary, unlike a lot of other firms. Even if you don't end up getting 100% bonus, you end up earning more than most other places and the top performers at the firm do get paid the high numbers which has been mentioned in their compensation scale.

Being from the IP space and involved in EFTA-related work (through my firm) I can tell you that IP is not that much of a conflict area now. Indian companies themselves want stronger IP protection, including trade secrets for pharmaceuticals. The contentious days of the 2000s are gradually going away. So legal services are a bigger stumbling block than IP.

This is true. It was Lalit Bhasin (SILF chairman) and Kian even covered it for LI many years ago. Bhasin literally said that foreign law firms will exploit India like the East India Company!

BTW do Google for Lalit Bhasin. He used to be a lobbyist and was member of the Congress party back in the 80s and 90s. Once when India Today did a story (in the 90s) calling him a lobbyist he wrote an angry letter to them claiming that he was a lawyer and not a lobbyist or fixer. I actually shared these links from India Today on LI once and will be happy to do so again if you want.

But of course Bhasin is just a token figurehead for SILF. We know who really runs SILF.

I disagree with you. The UK government has lobbied very hard and many delegations have come. But the Indian government has adamantly refused, because of SILF (or rather the family that controls SILF). The UK government cannot force India to change policy. The other thing is that India gives other concessions to the make the UK happy, such as better IPR protection of buying defence equipment.

We had good placements even when the college was nascent and operating out of a small school building. Majority of the students used to come from rich elite backgrounds so were fairly polished and connected and smart.

But to be honest, Corporate placements are not the only measure of success of an institution. Also, a lot of Nuals people dont prefer corporate jobs, most have enough financial security to pursue litigation at the trial court levels and then form a captive client base and do pretty well into the higher courts.

The Nuals trial court to Supreme Court case pipeline and referral system is pretty solid and efficient.

Wait. Are you telling me, there's no Westlaw access? What about other journals like Manupatra and Scc? I can understand Westlaw not being there all the time, given its an expensive subscription. But in my time we had full access almost at all times.

What do you mean they haven't refunded mess fees? Its supposed to be a separate account, there can't be, if done properly, a lack of refunds, AFAIK.

What is NIMLAC? Maritime law moot?

Yeah the college hardly ever sponsored moots, its USUALLY the really rich kids who aspired or went for such moots. People used to look at private sponsorships even when they went.

But the NUALS institute itself has amazing career prospects. You can join as a student and probably retire as VC there. But provided you're of high birth.

January yes (confirmed) for a couple of teams.

Feb not sure - although check this thread - https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/348642-has-trilegal-scheduled-ppo-interviews-for-bo25-as-of-yet#comment-350204
(Hopefully not, coz I was there during Feb)

I hate to be pessimistic about this especially since studying law is very interesting in some of the top law schools (mainly tier-1 NLUs). But, honestly, the legal profession is a bit of a joke in this country and is largely built on connections. Especially in litigation, the entire industry functions more on networks rather than merit. Granted, most professions have the same problem but in law, this is all the more compounded and obvious. Even the Supreme Court is riddled with this nepotism. And as a first-gen lawyer from bang average places like ILS and GLC, your best bet for good career growth is only corporate law (which is not that easy to get from the 3 year LLB). Or you can try for competitive exams like judiciary and civil services too for a stable job. But these require atleast a few committed years of hard work. If you are not clear on why you want this law degree, then it's better to avoid law altogether since the return on investment (in terms of both time and money) is pretty bad to say the least.

Will be a little difficult. Your initial days in college should ideally be used to make yourself comfortable with the college. Once you get comfortable, you start the freelancing.

Some students prepare for Civil Services from their second and third year onwards, so it's not impossible, just a little difficult.

Disclaimer: not a student, but a former contractual employee