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Thanks for telling us all where you stand.
I have a decent CV otherwise, regular mooting, debating + published articles and I'm confident I can publish with good places by the end of this year.
Anyone with any knowledge about this, and especially those who have already pursued LLMs in the UK, please help me out -
1. do i have any chance of being considered regardless of my current c.g.p.a?
2. if not, could 2 years work experience in a reputable firm in the same area help/negate the disadvantage bc of my academic record?
thank you!
Also was working on an elective assignment (a moot) which was fun- but also stressful. So yeah, as much as I would like to rot on Sundays, believe it or not- JGLS kids mostly spend most of their hours on our assignments lmao. Ask us what our Thursdays are like instead ;)
First, is this subject compulsory in Indian law schools (be they NLU, TLC or whatever)?
Second, if and where it is compulsory, is it compulsory because the law schools think that that is a good idea or because the BCI requires that law students in India study legal philosophy?
NB: Promise there's no trolling here. I (1) study in a jurisdiction where the regulator doesn't think that it is a good idea to make it compulsory to study Jurisprudence (but I think they should change their mind), so no superiority complexes/desire to show off; (2) love Jurisprudence, for I am fortunate enough to study in a law school with good Jurisprudence faculty; and (3) study in a law school where, despite the regulator's indifference, Jurisprudence is compulsory. Considering this, my plea to mods is to publish this and not assume that I am engaged in some kind of hit-job.
https://superlawyer.in/a-good-real-estate-practitioner-needs-to-be-familiar-with-multiple-laws-which-impact-real-estate-probal-bhaduri-managing-partner-at-eva-law/
https://www.mondaq.com/Author/2645652/Lumiere-Law-Partners-Probal-Bhaduri
https://eva-law.com/about-us/
1. Location (internships, faculty, guest sessions, study visits, courts).
2. Fees (₹65 K per semester, total ₹6.5 lacs in 5 years, so possible without a loan)
3. Institution of National Importance (funding, resources, and priority)
4. Inter-disciplinary (interact with non-law students as well)
5. National diversity (no domicile reservation), in Delhi no one gets treated like an 'outsider'
6. Visibility and links (deep collaborations institutions like ED, CBI, SEBI, RBI, DGGI, more exposure)
7. Research and PG focussed (only a few integrated UG programs are available)
8. Higher studies (universities like Oxford and Cambridge prefer students from INIs in India)
9. Unique specialization (corporate/financial forensics for BBA-LLB (H))
10. Batch size (intake just 40, you are not with 200 - 300 treated like cattle, so more opportunities)
11. Clean and transparent (no financial irregularities, administrative apathy, corruption)
12. Credibility (only academic institution whose reports are accepted in courts as evidence)
Every point above is factual that can be confirmed. They are not my opinion.
Latest annual report (https://beta.nfsu.ac.in/Uploads/Annual%20Report_English_2022-23.pdf)
Latest CAG audited financials (https://beta.nfsu.ac.in/Uploads/Annual%20Account%20Report_2022-23.pdf)
Finally..........asking about IIT KGP School of Law or NFSU School of Law on this platform is like asking Pakistan about India.
Admin is shit, students are good - I'm saying this as someone who doesn't even like half the batch.
Have NLU-O and HNLU outperformed us? Could be, idk. The fact is students are building up the brand name regardless and any person in any of the three will do well provided he/she has decent work ethic.
Feminism means egalitarianism. Not equality of convenience. She was wrong to have said that.
I go first - 7+1 > Boutique law firm
P.S. T-1s can drop out of this conversation if you wish to. The salary bands have been discussed at length in previous posts.
Want to know about the team, the partner, any known problematic people, the kind of work they primarily do, tempo on most days?
Thanks in advance
Further if law firm is your goal, it is better to start in law firm than in-house because generally the lateral hiring from inhouse to firm is not preferred that much. Plus the inhouse role tends to get managerial at some point. Learning is not that high in in-house.
Pro-Congress perspective:
NLSIU alum Sanjoy Ghose https://twitter.com/advsanjoyNUJS alum Ashish Goel https://twitter.com/ashish_nujs
HNLU alum Avani Bansal https://twitter.com/bansalavani
GNLU alum Rohin Bhatt https://twitter.com/BhattRohin
Pro-BJP perspective:
NUJS alum Ramanuj Mukherjee https://twitter.com/law_ninja
NUJS alum Aishwarya Mudgil https://twitter.com/AishwaryakiRai
The OP needs to be prepared to handle that stuff, which the previous comment wasn't giving helpful advice for OP to do. You have, in fact, provided that helpful advice, so props to you for doing that. In fact, if I were OP, I'd say you have been even more helpful, for you have stated the obvious to make sure the understanding on how not to be toxic yourself is clear.
The question is what stories you are cherry picking and what you understand from them. Forgive me if I find it difficult to treat your anecdotes as some sort of iron clad evidence of how you know more than one of the most cited and celebrated philosophers in the world.
I've read these and more. However, do you know any Indian Scholar or anyone from the Global South dealing with this topic ?
Also 'people in India' is a very large group of people encompassing patriarchal to matrilineal societies and many values and languages. So one group of people can be burning women and marrying off children while another group criticises it. Wild right? Imagine that.
I am a BO 2025 student and am inclined to pursue a career in Litigation (Not very particular as to what sub-specialization). I am open to all forms of Civil/Commercial Litigation.
I find Counsel practice very attractive and would love to get decent exposure to Court practice/procedure and appear regularly. I have 2-3 assessments lined up for me in Tax, Commercial, Civil Litigation. I have noticed that generally at law firms the Associates/SA's do not have much opportunities to appear and that is a little scary.
(1) Do I move to counsel practice/under an independent lawyer right now itself for exposure to Appearing, court procedure etc and then maybe move to firms because you would have anyway made decent contacts with firms if you are in a Sr. counsel's office.
(2) Do I join a law firm and make some money for 3-4 years and then gradually move into Counsel Offices/ Independent practioners. You meet a lot of Sr. Counsel's for briefing and can then ask for chances.
I am a first generation lawyer, Mumbai based upper middle class family (parents have offered to support me financially to reasonable extents and not to compromise on career options) with previous Internships at 2-3 Counsel offices. Please share your insights on this?
Hurts? yes, but nothing much I can do about it that get a job and move on.
The featured answer is actually very true..
I often stick to normal open rubber chappals or Sparx equivalent but in plastic/foam. I keep formal shoes in the office cubicle and change into them in the washroom after drying. The issue with most formal looking rubber shoes for me is they give me shoe bites. You don't want shoe bites that too in the rainy season.
My point is that this horrific discriminatory story telling, in which you make all kinds of assumptions and insist that all non binary people are as you imagine the non binary people in your life to be is exactly how sexist men talk about women.
Every non binary person I know is mentally healthier than less introspective idiots who have never been to therapy because of their privilege. In learning to accept themselves in a world full of bigots like you, they have developed a deep sense of compassion and empathy that I don't see anywhere in this thread. Every single one of them is also a superstar because they had to be, to be treated with common decency. Why are your anecdotes which frankly reek of your prejudice superior to mine?
Shame on you for showing zero interest in all the work that it took for women to be able to study and practice law. I don't want to be in any group that is your transphobic 'side'. You are here seeking validation for your bigotry when you should be asking yourself difficult questions about why you make the assumptions you make about people who are different from you.
Dont think for a second that your gaslighting and shaming is going unnoticed. Youve got some issues with self-righteousness to work out- why do you think its okay to behave this way? I clearly think your beliefs are ill thought out and leading to harmful outcomes. I didnt come out scolding you to be kind or telling you you were doing hate speech until I'd head the same thing like ten times.
Heres some advice: Just quit dude. You dont have the disposition to be a moderator anywhere. Go be a real activist instead of shaming women for speaking their mind on the internet. You dont seem to be able to see good arguments on either side of most issues really. you seem trapped in us v them thinking where youre always the goodies and the other side is always the baddies. Its shockingly lacking in empathy.
Make your CV looks decent, crisp, to the point and is not vague about your work experience.
Write an article or something related to corporate. Dont hesitate to work for smaller firms for minimal pay, it will increase after an year, take whatever ypou get if you think the opportunity is good.
I got to know about the opening through a friemd who was working at the firm, but I was also applying at a lot of other places.
Dont be disheartened if you dont hear back, I had literally applied at 100 places to get only a few call backs, it might seem a lil difficult but i promise you its not impossible.
Try and convince the interviewer that you are really interested in the field and you will learn things, tell them to ficus on your potential and not on your experience.
https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1789590944976650436
Why do we need to teach courses referencing books authored by such a toxic person, whose views can lead to more hate and violence that trans persons face? Also, Harry Potter is now really old and doesn't have the same relevance for today's youth as it did for earlier generations. As an alternative, law schools can instead teach with reference to the Game of Thrones/House of the Dragon books and TV shows. There are tons of jurisprudential and legal concepts one can find within it, e.g. Church versus State, legitimacy of government, Walk of Shame as a gendered retributive form of punishment, humane treatment of prisoners, slavery etc etc. Check out these articles:
https://www.law.ua.edu/lawreview/files/2015/08/Perry-International-Final-cropped.pdf
https://scholarcommons.sc.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=4273&context=sclr
'Word games' is a very old ad hominem attack tactic of the ignorant. I would recommend updation but I suspect repeating tired old tropes is your thing.
wake up after Saturday night hangoverHair cut
grocery run
Laundry
Ironing
Netflix + lunch
Time pass
Chai time
Other work (budgeting, Paying bills of tv, wifi back home, checking investments)
Going out to meet friends if anyone's free
dinner
sleep
For example, as per details in the above shared link, Amazon may say that the CTC for a software development engineer (fresher) is INR 45 LPA, but it seems that the said fresher will get INR 25,64,000 in their first year [Base salary: ₹ 19,17,000 Signing Bonus: ₹ 11,65,000 (₹ 6,47,000 1st year + ₹ 5,18,000 2nd year) Stock or RSU: ₹ 15,56,000 (vested over 4 years) Total CTC: ₹ 46,38,000]. The said fresher will have to pay a tax of INR 6,04,968 (income tax is INR 5,81,700 + HEC is INR 23,268). The in-hand salary of the fresher will be INR 19,59,032, which is still more that what any fresher in any law firm in India gets. But not as humongous a difference in pay as it would have been if the actual pay is INR 45 LPA.
But, as per the same link above, Sprinklr pays a CTC of INR 30 LPA (all base pay) to its fresh product engineers.
It also makes me feel jealous to see that engineering interns get paid in lakhs. It reminds me of a conversation with a date of mine (a software engineer) who was working in the same building as KCO, Bangalore's office, when I was interning there. They asked me how much stipend I was paid. I said that I would be paid INR 5K per month (although I was paid only INR 9.4K for two months). They told me that their interns were paid INR 70K per month.
P.S. - I am not sure if my understanding and my tax calculations are right.
I am just pasting the table containing the details of salary breakups. I don't know if it will appear the same way as I am pasting.
NOTE: Best to view on a desktop/laptop.
Index No
Company Name
Role
CTC (In Lakh)
Internship (In Thousand)
Details
1
Tower Research
44
4,00,000
Salary: 3,000,000 INR Signing Bonus: 600,000 INR Bonus: Performance-based bonus ( 800,000 - 1,800,000 INR ) Total comp (Salary + Bonus): ~4,400,000 INR
2
Microsoft India
SWE
46
125,000
Relocation/Signing Bonus: INR 5,00,000 Stock bonus: 35K USD Bonus: upto 20% of base (based on performance) Salary: INR 15,00,000 Relocation: INR 3,60,000 Total compensation: INR 15,00,000(base) + 2,50,000(joining bonus) + 7,00,000(stocks) + 1,50,000 (yearly bonus) + 3,60,000(relocation)= 29.6 lakhs(first year)
3
Nutanix
47.9
1,20,000
22LPA + 5.8L stocks + 1.5 JB + 1.25 relocation bonus
4
Uber
SDE 1
61
1,60,000
Base ₹2,100,000Retirals ₹157,600 Includes Employer PF + GratuityJoining Bonus ₹200,000 Lump sum payout in first payroll cycle (after due witholding of taxes) with 1-yr claw backNew Hire Stock Grant ₹767,520 $41,000 USD vesting over 4 years (current currency conversion factor of $1 = INR 74.88)Target Cash Bonus ₹240,000 Actual Performance bonus would depend upon the performancePerks (per annum) ₹138,000.00Uber free rides worth INR 44,000+ Wellness Allowance worth INR 58,000 + Mobile Allowance worthINR 36,000. Actual Value would depend upon the dollar conversion rate. (current currencyconversion factor of $1 = INR 74.88)Relocation Allowance ₹200,000.00 Reimbursement on actuals basis eligibility.TOTAL First Year CTC ₹3,803,120.00
5
CRED
SDE 1
46
Salary: INR 22,00,000 Signing Bonus: INR 2,00,000 ESOPs: INR 22,00,000(vested overy 4 years - 10%, 20%, 30%, 40%) Total comp(1st year) : 22L + 2L + 2.2L (10% of Esops)
6
Adobe
MTS
44
1,00,000
Fixed Salary: 13.5 Lakhs Variable: 1.35 Lakhs PF: 76k Joining Bonus: 3 Lakh Deferred Bonus: 2 Lakhs (after completion of 11 months) Stock Bonus: 20 Lakhs (vested over 4 years, 25%) Relocation Bonus: 2 months of Basic pay ( ~1 Lakh ) + other expenses reimbursement
7
Salesforce
MTS
42
90000
8
Amazon
SDE
45
1,43,600
Base salary: ₹ 19,17,000 Signing Bonus: ₹ 11,65,000 (₹ 6,47,000 1st year + ₹ 5,18,000 2nd year) Stock or RSU: ₹ 15,56,000 (vested over 4 years) Total CTC: ₹ 46,38,000
9
Sprinklr
Product Engineer
30
2,00,000
All base
10
Palo Alto Networks
QA/Dev/DevOps
54.75
1,00,000
Base Pay 1,700,000Employer contribution to PF 102,000Bonus: 10% 170,000RSU $37500 Vested for 4 years: INR 2925000 2,925,000Flex benefit - ($1000) 78,000Sign-on Bonus (One time) 500,000Total CTC 5,475,000 + 1.5L Relocation
11
BNY Mellon
SDE 1
21-24
Base: INR 17,00,000. Joining Bonus: INR 3,00,000. Relocation: INR 50,000. Retirals (PF/Gratituity): 1,14,000. + Bonus
12
Atlassian
83.4
Base Salary: 20,80,000 Relocation/Signing Bonus: 50,000 Stock bonus:$75,000 (vested over 4 years) Bonus: 10% of the base - Now the Stock Probably differs
13
BharatX
54
100,000
14
Zomato
SDE 1
45
Base: 20 ESOPS: 20 (5L Each Year)
15
App Dynamics
Software Engineer
44.2
Fixed Salary 1400000 Fixed SalaryProvident Fund 84000 PF & Gratuity are retiral benefits which are paid as per Government guidelinesGratuity 33600Performance Bonus (on target) 70000 Paid Annually and will vary by company & Individual performanceTotal 15,87,600 TotalSign on Bonus 600000 One-time sign-on bonus is payable in two (2) equal instalments, payable at the end of 1st year(13th month) and 2nd year(25th month) from your employment start date(paid in two equal instalments)Relocation Bonus 116667 Applicable for Employees relocating from a different City - One Time onlyRSU $ 25000 RSU grants will still vest over 4 years with the first vest (25% of the grant) coming a year after approval. The remaining grant value will vest quarterly (about 6.25% of the total grant each quarter) over the remaining 3 years.Total Package per year 23,04,267 Total PackageRelocation - movement of Goods 45000 Applicable for Employees relocating from a different city - One Time onlyPaid on actuals on submission of bills:Movement of Goods - Up to Rs.45,000Food – Up to Rs.7,500 (500 x 15 days)Laundry – Up to Rs.6,000 (400 x 15 days)Booked by the company: (Additional – Not included in the CTC)Relocation - Food and Laundry 13500 One-way Airfare and 14 Nights Hotel AccommodationTotal CTC 2362766 + $ 25,000 Total CTC
16
Expedia Group
40
35,000
12.1 LPA (Fixed) + 5000 USD (Relocation Bonus – If applicable) + 30000 USD (Restricted Stock Units)
17
Electronic Arts
38
14.5 LPA + 30,000 $ RSU
18
Media.net
38
1,00,000
19
Meesho
SDE 1
37
Base: 20 Joining Bonus: 3 ESOP: 14
20
Mesho
SDE 1
37
Salary: 20,00,000 Relocation/Signing Bonus: 3,00,000 Stock bonus: 14,00,000 worth ESOPs over 4 years (25 %)
21
DE Shaw & Co
36.5
150,000
22
Arcesium
36
100,000
23
Data Insights
36
65,000
Rs. 28.0 LPA fixed + 5 LPA joining bonus + 3 LPA Graduation bonus
24
Trilogy Innovations ( codenation)
36
1,50,000
25
Airbnb
Software Engineer
34.8
133,000
26
Visa
34.5
80,000
27
PayPal
34.4
50,000
28
Qualcomm
34.35
45,000
Total Gross PayINR 14.17 LRetirals (PF and Gratuity)INR 0.75 LPerformance Bonus INR 1.35 LJoining BonusINR 5.00 LRelocation Bonus ( Paid within 60 days )INR 0.50 LRestricted Stock Value Awards (Vesting in 3 years ) INR 12.00 L ( $ 16000)
29
ShareChat
SDE 1
34
20 lkh base 2 lkh performance bonus 10 lkhs esops (2.5 lkh each yr) Gratuity and Insurance 54K Standard benefits, 250 worth Zomato coupons each day etc
30
Texas Instruments
Digital Internship
32.56
45,000
31
Texas Instruments
Embedded Software Internship
32.56
45,000
32
Commvault Systems Pvt LTD
31
40,000
33
Linkedin
31
34
Blinkit (Grofers)
SDE 1
31
Salary: 28LPA Signing Bonus: 3LPA
35
Apollo247
Software engineer
30
20 lpa + 10 lakhs of Esops
36
Apollo247
Data Scientist
30
20 lpa + 10 lakhs of Esops
37
Pocketpills (Casahealth Tech Pvt Ltd)
30
40,000
38
nurture.farm
29.8
90,000
39
Razorpay
29
Fixed1519231Variable0Total Cash1519231Retirals80769CTC1600000Sign On200000Retention100000Equity / Year1000000Relocation100000TCTC2900000
40
Morgan Stanley
Analyst in Technology Division
28.33
1,00,000
Base : 13,00,000PF : 78,000Projected Discretionary Year end Bonus : 130,000Sign On bonus: 200,000Relocation Allowance (Only If Eligible) : 475,000Retention Award : 700,000Total : 28,83,000
41
Zynga
28
80,000
42
Hella Infra Market Private Limited
27.5
50,000
15,00,000 L Fixed+ 2,00,000 PB+ 10,00,000L Stocks+ 50,000 Relocation.
43
Cure.fit
27
44
JUSPAY
Software Developer
27
40,000
27 LPA for Software Developer( 16 lakhs base + 8 lakhs retention bonus( 2lakhs / years ) + 2 lakhs benefits+ 1 lakhs joining or relocation bonus
45
Providence
27
40,000
Total CTC 27,00,000Fixed component in CTC15,23,900Variable component in CTC76,195Joining Bonus (first month)2,00,000Retention Bonus Year 1 (completion of Year 1)3,00,000Retention Bonus Year 2 (completion of Year 2)3,00,000Retention Bonus Year 3 (completion of Year 3)3,00,000
46
Providence
SDE 1
27
40000
Fixed Salary: INR 16,00,000 Signing Bonus: INR 2,00,000 Retention Bonus Y1 : 3,00,000 Retention Bonus Y2: 3,00,000 Retention Bonus Y3: 3,00,000
47
Human Holdings
Data science
26.65
48
Walmart Global Tech India
Software Development Engineer 2
26.5
1,00,000
19.5 Lpa +4 L joining bonus &3 L New hire RSUs
49
Human Holdings
Software engineer
25.36
50
Gullak Money
Software Engineer
25
40,000
51
OfBusiness
25
Fixed = 13,00,000 PAVariable = 1,00,000 PA (to be paid on quarterly basis subject to performance)Retention Bonus = 1,00,000 (to be paid on completion of 1 year)ESOPs = Worth 8,00,000Additional benefits = Medical Insurance = 2,00,000 PA + Gratuity (as per company’s policy
52
CISCO
Software Engineer – Network/Embedded/Application Development
24.73
53
CISCO
Software Engineer - Internal Applications
24.73
54
SAP Labs
24.5
35,000
55
Flexcar IDC
SDE 1
24.15
56
Sembly
Data Scientist (NLP)
24
100,000
1. For Data Scientist (NLP) Internship: INR 1,00,000 per month2. For Data Scientist (NLP) Full Time Employment: INR 2,00,000 to 3,00,000 per month
57
Wellsfargo
23.5
90,000
58
Steradian Semiconductors Pvt Ltd
23
20,000
59
Slice
SDE 1
23
Base: 21
60
Silicon labs
Engineer / Associate Engineer - Software Design
22.98
Gross Fix1,150,000Retirals96,454Annual Bonus115,000Sign-On Bonus160,000Retention Bonus200,000RSU - USD 7500577,500Grand Total2298954
61
BYJU'S
22
62
Cashfree
22
35,000
Overall CTC22 LakhsCash component10 Lakhs Fixed+ 1 variable pay+ 1 PerksESOPS10 lakhs vested over 4 yearsStipend35 Thousand/Mont
63
Goldman Sachs
22
64
Harness
SDE
22
80,000
65
Komprise India Private
Software Engineer
22
50,000
66
Maxlinear Technologies
22
25,000
67
JP MORGAN CHASE
21.5
INR 75,000 per month + One time Relocation allowance of INR 85,000
Fixed Pay – INR 16,25,000Relocation Allowance – INR 1,25,000Joining Bonus – INR 2,00,000Incentive Compensation – INR 2,00,000Total Compensation – INR 21,50,000
68
CHARGEBEE
Software Engineer
21
21 LPA + ESOPS (post conversion)
69
HyperVerge
Deep Learning Intern
21
45,000
70
JUSPAY
Product Engineer
21
40,000
21 LPA for Product Engineer14 lakhs base + 4 lakhs retention bonus( lakhs / years ) + 2 lakhs benefits+ 1 lakhs joining or relocation bonus.if converted
71
Samsung Semiconductor India Research
21
50,000
16 Lakhs PA + 5 Lakhs retention bonus ( 2 year)
72
Schlumberger
21
40,000
73
Udaan
21
70,000
74
Nykaa
SDE1
21
Salary: 15 Lakh Stock bonus: NA Variable Bonus: 3 Lakh (18 LPA) Joining Bonus: 2 Lakh Relocation: 1 Lakh
75
CASA RETAIL AI
60
20,000
CTC: 10 LPA + 50 Lakh worth of stocks vested over a period of 4 years. (if converted)
76
Kaleyra
20.24
20,000
Total - Fixed800000Variable (paid annually)80000Anniversary Bonus (paid annually)160000Retention Bonus (paid annually)240000RSUs (Vested annually)744000Total Compensation2024000
77
FAREPORTAL
20
15,000
78
JUNGLEE GAMES
20
40,000
79
Komprise India Private
Software Test Engineer
20
50,000
80
LetsTransport
20
Ranges from 18-20
81
Richpanel
20
40,000
82
Siemens EDA
Dev
20
40,000
83
SquadStack
Product Engineer
20
35,000
84
Oyo
SDE 1
20
Salary: INR 1800000 Relocation: INR 100000 Signing Bonus: INR 100000
85
Atlan
Backend Engineer Site Reliability Engineer Infrastructure Engineer Security Engineer
20
50,000
Offered to B.Tech Freshers
86
VMware
19.97
50,000
MTECH
87
Nation with Namo
19
88
PayU
19
70,000
89
Cloudera
18.99
45,000
90
Airoha Technology
18.8
45,000
91
AMAZON INDIA
Business Analyst
18.41
70,000
92
AMAZON INDIA
Research Analyst
18.41
70,000
93
Oracle GBU
18.2
50,000
94
Audify Tech
18
50,000
95
CITI Bank (CISPL)
18
96
Jubilant FoodWorks
18
50,000
97
MAKEMYTRIP
18
35,000
98
MathWorks India
18
55,000
99
Voxela, Inc.
18
40,000-60,000
Even OP- shes not saying her friends are well and theyre doing it for kicks. She wrote this because shes concerned that their mental health is so far gone they are hanging on to this idea and antagonising all their friends and family. Shes unhappy she isnt able to support her friends the way they want and that she actually cannot in her own head figure out what the best way to help her friends is.
Its about thinking through whether evidence blind ideological positions based on esoteric academic philosophy - and cancelling dissidents- can actually be the basis for discussion in the material real world. If you make things unsayable because you think it appears bigoted- youre not actually interested in solving the problem- youre interested in being seen as wonderful and "on the right side of history".
In real life- yes- if women make inappropriate sexualising comments at the workplace and youre not interested you absolutely should shut that down. has that happened to you?
I know when I was in my twenties at my first job my boss thought it was okay to grab my thigh and another senior colleague snapped my bra once. I had to gather the courage and shut it down. No one did it for me. It wouldnt do to go to HR and cry- id get branded as a cry baby and too sensitive. I politely asked them why they did that and asked them what their wives would think.
there isnt one kind of feminism. Feminists disagree amongst themselves about a number of things. If you want to learn anything about it- you should start with discarding the assumption that all women must think alike.
That said- Yeah. You can leave the discussion. Think about it some more- theres no shame in being wrong or in changing your mind.
Only one side here has argued that their opponents are all irrational because they have periods. Only one side as argued that there should be discrimination in education and employment. No wonder women want to escape this rank misogyny. Maybe youd treat us more like equals if we all identified as non-binary- i doubt it though.
At some point this becomes a contest of which side causes or suffers more harm, and most societies seem to be struggling to cope with formulating compromises.
And the more extreme fringes of neither side seem to accept those concerns, and public debate then often becomes hostile, as this thread too seems to have become.
The implication of the argument is pretty clear- if you dare disagree with us woman- we will call you irrational and hysterical because your material body has periods. The thing healthy female bodies do- which if they didnt - you and I wouldnt be born. And I might add- the thing only female bodies do. I know men think periods are gross and signs of illnesses- but every woman knows that she needs to go to a doctor to get herself checked out if she is routinely missing periods. Theyre the sign of a healthy body. But go ahead- laugh it off all that male centred bigotry.
You dont think its hate speech because its directed at women- who you think are more powerful than men who say theyre women. You need to introspect.
But you've said what you need to and while you and others on both sides have made a few thought provoking points, and there are serious issues surround open discourse and debate around how society and policy and the medical profession should deal with it, this thread kinda proves why it's so hard: it often seems to come down to us vs them, from both camps, and anger.
Are there no commonalities between both camps, if we ignore the more extreme fringes of both, and can agree on mutual respect, acceptance and kindness? It might not solve all the issues but that does leave a lot of space in between.
You dont accept any of these claims unquestioningly- theyre all about oppression- why do you accept claims about gender unquestioningly?
I dont accept that there are any genders. I dont want any genders- my utopia is a world where anyone can dress speak and behave any way they want without fear. But that dress, speech and behaviour wouldnt change material realities about sexed bodies. And females are on average weaker than males. Males have shown male pattern criminality. thats true regardless of self image. thats all im saying.
Do you realise that where this trans movement leads is for kids who might be gay - who will inevitably during puberty feel like they might be better off being the opposite sex and being heterosexual- will be encouraged to transition? Did you listen to susie green the CEO of mermaids who was so upset at having a gay son she decided he was in the wrong body and got him surgeries and hormones when he was a minor? Please read Hannah Barnes' time to think and the Cass review. Read the Shellenberger leaks of the gender identity services in england- the nurses and doctors are joking about how there wont be gay kids left in a few years because theyre all transitioning now. Do you think its a good think its okay for lesbians to only like other females? that would be transphobic. Because sex doesnt matter- only internal gender feelings do according to this doctrine. Look it up- theres a riley j denis video from early trans activist years claiming just that- they have a word for it- its the cotton ceiling- cause of womens underwear. Do you think its a coincidence that lgbt organisations are now calling lesbians "non-men" who love other "non-men"? Because same sex attraction is transphobic now. Isnt that homophobic? Look this stuff up if you like. More gay men and lesbians are on the gender critical side than you even think. Old school lesbians like Julie Bindel, Kathleen Stock, Katie Herzog, old school gay men like Fred Sargent- people who started the stonewall riots- theyre all critical of this stuff. Do you think theyre all just bigoted?
Look up the giggle v tickle case. Apparently lesbians cannot have a dating app all to themselves without excluding male bodied people anymore- that would be transphobic. Youre not on the right side of history.
You need to educate yourself.
The claims you make regarding mental illness are clearly not something that can be adequately discussed here, if your basic argument is that being trans is always a mental illness or caused by mental illness.
We can't answer here what OPs friends are going through, nor can we generalise that all trans people are like OPs friends, or that OPs account is even a fair one. So let's park this discussion, it seems to have run it's course and you've had your say and is unfortunately not constructive anymore.
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So if it is hate speech when written about women, why is it not when said about trans people?
Unless I'm misunderstanding their intent here...
If a trans person didnt get surgeries - we should not accept them as trans? are you a truscum or a transmedicalist? you said that the proof of these identities is in behaviour- what if the behaviour is absent?
Clearly you didnt make that argument in good faith. You and I both know these are not claims about anything social or behavioural- these are claims that are individual and psychological. How is it then not fair to ask if the chicken or the egg came first? did the slew of mental illnesses come first and then the dysphoria? or did the dysphoria come first? is it in fact- a real genuine identity claim to be taken at face value? or could it be something that is not that?
It happens with both genders, and both genders are equally liable to debauchery or simple hormones. It's just that males have, throughout history, been liable to misuse their position of relative power over females to negate consent for stuff. Women's thoughts and sexuality have been repressed since time immemorial.
You don't think males congregate together and say "kya hot thi bhai voh bandi" or "XYZ bollywood actress was really hot!". If you don't say anything towards the males who say that (even in higher positions of power), then you have no right to question the women who objectify males.
Females still are pretty disadvantaged in society
Always say something like 'Nifty 50 information technology company' rather than Infosys.
2. Just be nice. Don't view things as transactionally as your comment seems to indicate you are doing. Maybe send a message on his birthday or some other special occasion. Even if not transactional, don't worry about being so overly formal. I think you can impress much more by balancing formality with kindness than being some stuffed-shirt pain-in-the-neck.
No one wears a tie unless client meeting / conference.
I don't even know tie brands. Most expensive tie I own is one Satya Paul which I only brought because i had a gift card to burn. Wear whatever looks good on you, neat and professional.
Foucault was a pedophile- but hes a god for them.
The left hates women as much as the right- but no one cares because we're attached to our teams. The right thinks women are private property and the left thinks women are public property.
If you want to be a good person- ideally you know to take the good and sensible stuff from their arguments and discard the rest.
No one here has said a single thing about non-binary people that you have- no one said they should be discriminated at the workplace, or that they shouldnt work or go to law school, or that they are irrational because theyre non binary. Or that theyre not equal to everyone else.
Exactly the opposite. People are enquiring very gently if mental illnesses- complex mental illnesses could have as one of their symptoms non-binary identification/ trans identification or gender dysphoria. and people are insisting that non-binary people are just the same as everyone else- just as special as everyone else.
If you could show me science that proved women really were so irrational and emotional during their period that they went beyond the range of anything a man might do or say- then I would agree that maybe women shouldnt be handling nukes. Can you show me that? wheres the study?
If you could prove to me- through empirical data that women are really bad at law school and shouldnt go and are really bad at practicising laws and shouldnt do it. I might change my mind. It so happens that you are just wrong about that- nearly every batch ive seen in law school- and ive seen more than 9 because I went back several times- women outperform men in exams and in competitions and after law school- they simply seem to have better careers on average than men do. They incur a disadvantage if they have babies- but thats something we need to figure out if we can or should do something about.
Will you subject your group to the same scrutiny? what youre essentially threatening here is - we will be misogynistic and awful if you dont go along with this. Not so charming. Keep it up. Help more people come over to our side.
They say they are non-binary- and the only way to know they are nonbinary is because they say they are- that seems like an identity claim to me. You want people to unquestioningly accept these claims. Playing word games wont change whats actually happening.
Butler isnt too much- you want to go? shall I begin to ask questions? Just give me the green light. its not that i didnt understand- I disagreed. Which is a thing we get to do in free societies.
No one is claiming alok vaid menon doesnt exist. or that he isnt human. People are disputing the claim that he isnt a man because he says so.
You want everyone to affirm non-binary beliefs because you think that leads to a better world. People disagree- sometimes validating claims about internal states of mind is not the best thing you can do.
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