I am a good for nothing loudmouth, still you spam my inbox and LinkedIn seeking professional favours without any skillset or knowledge.

How can saying 'sir' to your senior is an unjust system which allows cruelty and cause misery? Before you get absolute freedom of speech, learn how to efficiently use the reasonable freedom you already have.

And if you have so willing to call people on first name basis, start with your home first. Start calling your parents by their names. Charity should begin from home, shouldn't it?

Aaj senior ko sir nhi bolenge, kal teacher ko, parso Judge ko.

Find a good coach, someone who has qualified for international rounds or with a good record in international law. It’s better to have 4 speakers and decide the issues beforehand. Start with a zero memo. (basic issues) after two-three weeks research and improvise. Read through past year memorials and you’ll probably find a few arguments therein. Try to narrow down your research after a month when you’ve covered the basic arguments.

A cultural honorific like 'bhaiya' should be the most a senior should expect. As a fifth-year guy, I will be embarrassed to be addressed as a sir by a fellow student. 'Sir/ma'am' culture should be left to places which require strict discipline, such as Sainik Schools and the Military Academies. Law schools are not the institutions that should be promoting hierarchy.

And you, old man, are a good-for-nothing loudmouth. It is people like you who prop up unjust systems, allow cruelty in the world to continue and cause misery to everyone but yourselves. If this platform were truely a haven of free speech (which it isn't), the so-called soft "snowflakes" would be able to tell (and show) you exactly where to shove your opinions and suggest, in graphic detail, exactly what treatment you need on a certain part of your body.

Seriously we need to know about MKS performance in DNLU since ILI is a black hole. Apparently MKS was supposed to replace PIB/Lord Taluk. But there was a major pushback from powerful elements within the state govt and HC. All of that congealed into the "son of soil" argument and we got NKC.

But now there is a growing chatter that MKS may come in although the BJP performed poorly.

The firm actually responded back in comments?!

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sanskar-garg1_internshipexperience-toxicworkplace-internshipnightmare-activity-7216018472705613824-1Xjw?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android

Just want to know from both BJP and TMC:

1. Why were utilization certificates not given? And how did funds continue for nearly a decade despite UCs not being sent?

2. Why doesn't CAG have access to a large swathe of dole schemes that were inspired directly by the CM? What was the Centre doing all these years? And what is it even doing now?

3. Why didn't Bengal govt go to the SC/HC for the allegedly illegal and unconstitutional stoppage of funds by Centre. Rajasthan did it. Kerala also got a degree of reprieve. The urgency and intensity with which Bengal fights for Nephew, Edu scam, Shk Shahjahan et al, why is that missing in this case? Why is the Centre tiptoeing around but not going for the kill?

One can go on. But no answers will come through. Because the "setting" has been on for a very long time. Right from the start. To TMC's credit, it has outclassed BJP everytime.

Get a head start on grades in your first year, it's really hard to catch up later. Birds with the same feather flock together, you will find your people sooner or later. And again keep in mind whatever the first comment says, be mindful of the intolerant and entitled wokes but don't lose yourself and your values just to mix in. Overall don't fret about college a lot, focus on your own life and give zero fs abt anything else.

Hello Dear Friends, I have earned LLB from a college affiliated to CCS University, I want to explore corporate and have got an offer from Bennett University. They promised a lot of things including decent jobs. Should I go ahead? I am about to turn 28 this August so age is so a factor.

Bennett has far better infrastructure with a big library for law but Munjal has far better professors who are ex Jindal. In LinkedIn Bennett seems to have good internships at least while Munjal is a very new law school whose first batch passes this year.

I am ex PCM student who was a dropper for engineering but changed to law so these two are my only option right now?

Hey i dont know which college u chose in the end.. I here got both the options like sls noida and pune and I chose pune but the sour opinions towards sls noida is next level shit dude.. Not everyone get selected in sls noida and it indeed is a reputable institution with fair share of people getting nice placements.. I searched online and got to know many people from slsn joined trilegal this year... And u live in delhi dude.. If u were from some other state then choosing pune would have been an understandable point but delhi has its own benefit which u would get.. But not denying the fact that pune has their own.. So consider your own view and dont go and ask random people their opinion...

I heard from a cubicle a few partners murmuring at S&P Noida office about a possible pay hike that MS is planning. However, there are questions as to when will this be implemented firm wide. While the news awaits, a lot of my colleagues have left the firm or are at Notice periods. No way S&P is retaining talent without paying as per market standards

"This year, students sought to invite a prominent human rights lawyer, Advocate Asim Sarode..."

I stopped reading after this. This is all his doing.

https://images.assettype.com/barandbench/2024-07/0acddd03-f161-4ac8-9964-fff3943e77a6/ILS_students__letter_to_Bombay_HC_CJ.pdf

I graduated in 2016 from a tier 1 NLU. I spent three years working with a customs firm before transitioning to the arbitration team of another firm. After five years, I left my job to prepare for the UPSC exams. Unfortunately, I haven't cleared it yet. With a three-year gap, what kind of firms might consider my application? I am not looking to return to my previous firms. Should I explore in-house job opportunities instead? My goal is to secure a well-paying job to strengthen my position in the marriage market over the next two years, so I prefer not to join chambers.

There is nothing wrong in expecting juniors to use Sir. It’s just a way to instil some discipline and professionalism, because during your internships and eventually jobs you will also be using Sir. It’s harmless at the end of the day. Similarly, tasks like getting a hair cut, wearing ironed shirts etc: nothing wrong in it.

CP - 45 mins.
Noida - 1-1.5 hr
Gurgaon - 40 mins (cab/bike/carpool) [it takes 1.5 hr from metro because currently there is no active direct metro line from dwarka to ggn and so you have to first go to CP and then take yellow line metro]

For a metro city these numbers are very convenient. I mean ask someone who is interning in bombay lmao.

if im saving 20k on food and room rent per month for each of the 4 internship slots in a year, I am very happy to travel 40-45mins by AC metro to CP.

not to mention, it is convenient to travel to many UPSC and judiciary coaching centres and so many of us join for offline classes at these coachings even during an ongoing semester.

Ever since the so called eviction of GSB by the "venerable" EC, his fortunes have been on an unending upward curve. Did any of this matter when he was Registrar at NLUD and later VC RGNUL and now VC NLUD? And by the time GSB leaves, he will ensure that his acolytes including daughter are on the gravy trains that run within and among NLUs.

https://www.barandbench.com/news/lawschools/bombay-high-court-state-probe-allegations-casteism-sexual-harassment-ils-pune

By the way does anyone have a copy of the letter sent to the CJ Bombay HC?

Did the smackdown of NUJS SJA letter to CJI influence ILS students not to post their letter?

Methinks despite the request from HC, the state edu dept will do nothing. At best a hogwash of an inquiry.

have never been at par??
in absolute numbers? maybe not (reasons below). in terms of material opportunities it provides? probably better than everyone else.

again, the point is simple: the crowd at NLUD is vastly different than other top NLUs. People here are those who have specifically left supposedly better NLUs like NLS only because they wanted to stay in Delhi to prepare for competitive exams like UPSC, Judiciary etc. If you don't agree with this premise, well, that's up to you. As a student here, I am well aware about my batch dynamics. Lol if you have 40 people in a batch of 120 students preparing for UPSC, you cannot compare the absolute numbers in terms of campus recruitments with NLUs which are specifically opted for due to their corporate foothold.

"People can intern in any city during vacations without having to stay in a hostel" Sure, if everybody can afford those kinds of expenses for internships which are more often than not unpaid. Room rent would come around 10k to 20k in Delhi, then Food & travel expenses. Surely, we live in a world where everybody can afford to spend 20-30k for a 4-week unpaid internship. Imagine spending that kind of money for each of the 4 internship slots every year lmao.

Again, the range of career opportunities that were mentioned are present at NLUD to a better extent than any other NLU specifically due to the college culture, history, and location.

95% of people who seriously consider taking a job, get a job by the end of their 5 years at NLUD. Even when we had arguably the worst campus recruitments in the recent years, 40+ students from a pool (by pool i mean students who signed up for placements indicating that they are interested in taking jobs) of about 50 students (total batch size was 80) have jobs. in my worldview that is not a bad number for what have been termed as the worst numbers NLUD has seen in the recent times.

As a current student, all I have to say is that all the issues mentioned in these articles are still present. Dont come here if you have better options.

If you dont, dont lose hope. ILS still has a good enough reputation to not sink you if you're willing to work hard, apart from college.

OP here.

"Digressing but even CAs and Engineers who were with me in school have times when they don't enjoy their work. But that's work - you gotta stick it out."

This is 100% true. My uncle is a CA too. Has been one for 25ish years now. I have seen him work 12hrs all 7 days of the week. He does not even get sat and sundays off. Always sitting with that laptop and typing, looking stressed and all. Few people ik recently joined workforce and from what they have told me corporate as a whole is a very toxic place and not just law one. So from this I have understood whether I do law or maybe something else, there is very high possibility that I will still have to be in this toxic culture along with working atleast 10-12 hrs a day. So it doesn't make much sense to me to change careers just because of this after spending a whole year diligently preparing for entrances.

Thankyou for all the time you took out to make me understand about mba, I greatly appreciate it but I think you misinterpreted what I actually meant. I was asking along with mba what are the other prospects in law. I have seen many people saying to others in LI that you have not explored all the options in law. So I wanted to confirm whether I actually know all of them or not. Like I know there's litigation then there's judiciary, there's in house counsel work then law firms, ngo works, investigator, upsc, entrepreneurship, academia, international law (public and private both), govt jobs. Am I missing anything else?

Leaving early doesn’t mean they’re not doing the work: no one gets made partner because of diversity. Not in this economy. And many of my female friends from law school are becoming partners now. Many of my male classmates are still stuck at SA. It’s not diversity- they may get home but they keep working even at home.

Hi, having been where you were, and assuming you are asking about growth prospects outside the firm, I can say that energy/ infrastructure law definitely is experience you can use to market yourself and move into a larger firms’ projects or disputes teams. On the other hand, pure trade law might be hard to “grow in” given the state of the field now, but use your work experience in that area to market your skills in policy, government advisory, and regulation or international law/disputes generally, depending on what suits you.

Not sharing the post link as I don't want him to get trolled (he posted from an anon handle, but still).

Anyway, the message is more important than the messenger. Why is this still going on in an elite NLU? GNLU seems to be a repeat offender. There was that infamous incident during Covid, when the second year batch at the time wrote to the VC demanding "respect" from the first year batch (which didn't even exist at the time).

Don't be an idiot.

US JD or MBA cost around 3 crores + inr.

You have to get H1B visa which is practically impossible. Wipro TCS Infosys applies lakhs of H1B. You don't stand a chance. H1B is a lottery visa and not skill based. You won't be taken as L1 employee.

So after your OPT expires you have to come back to India. Otherwise you have to do minimum wage jobs as illegal immigrant.

You have to stay in us with H1B for decades. Green card is practically impossible for Indians because of country cap.

Many lady law firm associates go to US, do JD /MBA and even settle that's mostly because husband's job/greencard.

Unless your fiancé is American don't spend on American education. Very difficult to stay in the US as legal Indian immigrant.

Instead do an MBA/JD in Canada or Australia. Atleast you will get PR and can stay in that country.

I was in a top 6 nlu, stuck it out for 5 years and got a t1 job (just did tons of internships in the field I liked and kept above average grades). If it's a top 4, amazing you will have a great time in law, if you're below that, you'll get similar opportunities and still have a great time in law. I I've seen non-nlu students work better than me. It's not the nlu tag, it's your propensity to learn, work hard, handle stress that matters. You'll be doubtful of yourself all the time, but jsut stick it out, and you'll realise it isn't really that difficult. It's just the people who you might idolize, (your seniors, batch toppers, naturally talented folk, etc who may make you feel like you aren't good enough) but none of that matters in the long run. Not your CLAT rank, not your college rank, just your work.

I have tried to make friends/exchange pleasantaries with seniors, juniors, partners etc. None of them acknowledge me as a human being whereas another bootlicking associate might invite them for a smoke (I don't smoke or drink), or at a party, etc, they'll gladly go along with them. Its ridiculous how often this happens. And now this associate often tries to make me look stupid in front of them. he's friendly around me, but suddenly he'll completely change his behaviour if someone from the team is near. Granted, I don't have his conversational skills or his attitude (of a dick tbh, but apparently that's appreciated not condemned in T1s). I'll invite them for a fun board game night at my place but they'll make up shit or ditch at the last second. This genuinely makes me feel like there's something wrong with me despite trying to be in everyone's good books. Am i wrong in thinking like this? Or is it the culture?

Lol is you think a certain Jiiii-Ceee is a half decent human being, then you probably have no clue about the shit he has pulled with innocent junior lawyers during his years at Triiiiii.

He might have mellowed down now after becoming a partner/father, but the north remembers.

You cost someone their career, chances are the trauma stays with them for years/life.

Okay, let's assume hypothetically that diversity hiring exists in India (which it really does not). Even if that were true, you are competing with your peer group, no? Like male, upper caste, rich, and what not. If you are losing out from the underprivileged kid from Jumri Talaiyya then it ain't the recruiting organisation man, it's you.

DT team positions are only for CAs. Directly ask your partner regarding this he will tell you about their policy if he is a genuine person otherwise you will get to know about it at the end of your internship. For fact checking check linkedIn profile who work in DT teams at LKS or their website there will be no one in DT teams with only LLB as qualification. Their qualifications will be mostly CA or CA+LLB.

Bro 1 year exp would land you but the money will be sub par. You've only learnt basic dd and proofing as a @0 and can't solely run transactions or manage others under you. 3-4 years more and your skills speak for themselves.

Very interesting thought process there. But while you are basing your views on, I assume, a couple of random articles piggybacking on your prejudices, I ask you to kindly step out of your bubble and maybe try to fight your fight instead of complaining. Because, in the end, this complaining will undoubtedly get you nowhere (while also making you the joke at your garden parties).

I also started as an indirect tax lawyer. 2 years at a big four and thereafter four years at one of the best law firms in the country. I noticed that if the core of a law firm is M&A, the focus of the firm would always be direct tax. IDT is basically a support practice for law firms unless it forms one of the core areas of the firm (LKS, ELP). I tried taking on direct tax assignments but it is a completely different beast and it is not easy to just switch. After 6 years in IDT I was quite lost and felt that I did not play any role in the Firm except may be provide support during due diligence or give certain opinions. This is when I decided to make a verry difficult call and switched to litigation. At first, I tried to switch within the firm itself but that did not work out. I eventually quit and decided to join a chamber practice. For three years, I did all district court and high court work and started learning. Do keep in mind that IDT really helps you understand business and it does give you a lot of exposure to various laws. I was grinding for three years until an opportunity came up in another tier 2 firm for a litigation team. I was able to join that and have done quite well for myself since. I still do a lot of customs advisory work but the main focus is on commercial litigation.

If you want to switch from IDT, do it now. It will become really difficult later. You may find that you have to start from scratch again but put in the work for a few years and you will see that it works out.

Men like you will cry about 'diversity hiring' until every woman is ousted out of law. Have you ever considered that there are many women who are maybe just more competent than you?? No ofcourse not. Because in your mind women are less than men. How can a woman just be smarter than you... A MAN.

Yeah, getting to understand these topics becomes really necessary to become a wholesome human being. But, you won’t receive corrections or teachings instead you’ll be bashed severely. It’s not that the they are woke for the wrong reasons but they don’t really consider if the person doesn’t come from the same privileged background as theirs. You should receive a bashing if you are indulged in outright bullshit actions

Hi, everyone! I am an aspirant for CLAT 2025. I have been told about this forum by a senior. I am looking for the kind of books that I can read to strengthen my knowledge and skills in solving the different sections of the CLAT paper. Logical reasoning, legal reasoning, quantitative aptitude and English. I cannot afford a coaching centre at present, but I still intend to give it my best shot. I have tried solving some of the mock papers that I could get online and my score is currently around 95-100. I know all of you are senior to me and have got a busy life of your own, but if anyone can spare a few minutes to give some advice and book names, then I will be grateful. Reference to any material available online for free, WhatsApp/Telegram channels or YouTube videos that may be of help will also be great. Thank you!

Practice head moved on to AZB. They have asked another senior member to lead the practice, but this senior member is part of another team and has a different skill set. So factor these points while considering the move.

NDA has lost a lot of practice heads in the recent past and it appears that the same may continue for 2 more practices before it stops (since there won't be many practices left)!

1. You'd have to send your qualifications to the NY bar exam authorities to get your specific eligibility confirmed. This decision-making process could take several months.

2. It is likely you could write the NY bar exam.

3. That would qualify you as a New York lawyer.

4. However, that is no guarantee of a job there. It is a very closed market. Your conviction that an LLM is some sort of golden key is bang out of order. Most LLM graduates there (who are foreign students with foreign law degrees) can't get a U.S. job. For foreign qualified lawyers, what they prefer is somebody who has had several years of experience in a foreign jurisdiction, with plenty of awesome connections there (in that foreign jurisdiction) from whom favours can be pulled, in order to allow Kirkland (to take your example) to gain greater access to foreign markets. Therefore, your best bet would be to work in India for a number of years, do well and then immigrate to the U.S.

5. If you really hate the thought of doing that, either compete for gaining a TC in England, or make a lateral move to a magic circle law firm in England or the London office of an Amlaw 20 firm, and apply for an internal transfer that way (not like either of these options is easy, but the India-UK-U.S. way would be better and make your CV look attractive, as you'd have experience in multiple jurisdictions to tempt U.S. recruiters with).

6. Neither of the alternatives I have suggested is stuff you can do fast, and availing yourself of any of these options is likely to take several years.

7. However, the only (reasonably) fast way of doing this which also increases your chances of getting a job is one that is, apparently, closed off to you. That is doing a JD after your Indian LLB (as you can't ask your parents for graduate study money). You are much more likely to be recruited if you have a JD, as U.S. lawyers and law firms tend to view LLM as an intellectually inferior baby JD for foreign students so the (American) unis can scam them for money.

Hi, thanks for rejuvenating the thread. Basically he was my senior and had a scaled score of 167. he had a decent GPA. Also, I don't think it was because of work ex. US T-14 law schools are supremely competitive. He just did not make the cut. He chose to do the llm instead, as it was easier to get into from Stanford. Also, can you elaborate more about the person's profile or share his LinkedIn Id maybe?

Hi, I just entered my final year of law school. I’m from a middle class family and ik I cannot even think of asking my parents for money for LLM.

I have a PPO in a T1 already in the competition team.

It is without a doubt that salary bands are extremely exploitative in indian law firms considering the work hours we put in. I am not afraid to work, I want to, but the value placed on it in the US by firms like Kirkland is just sm more. 225k is A LOT. even for NYC. I hope to save money for a few years and come back as an SA/Counsel to India.

Can someone therefore guide on how can we laterally move to the US? Is an LLM completely mandatory? I saw the New York Bar website stating that foreign lawyers with competent common law degrees can write NYBE straightaway for qualification. Is it applicable for us?