I disagree for multiple reasons while I agree with your rationale.

The salary growth is much higher and there is diversity of roles. In corporate law once you become SA+ the number of people who can afford you is miniscule. This is why it becomes very difficult to leave or switch without a pay cut.

Everyone hires MBAs at a obscene salary whether it may be for Marketing/ HR/Ops/Finance/Consultancy .

MBA offers a good route for lawyers, consultants love hiring lawyers. Work for 3-4 years then switch in-house. Unlike in house legal jobs where they are seen as cost and underpaid with MBA while you are a cost companies are willing to pay.

Beyond that you don't need a LLM to go abroad, the opportunities are diverse and flexible. However yes if you stay with consultants then it will be sort of like law firm with better pay.

Consultants out earn corporate lawyers at all levels if you discount tax.

Do funds if you're sure about doing funds for the rest of your life. If you're someone who isn't sure yet, go a more generalist area like gc or mna and then switch to the niche you like. Don't risk it id say. Have seen many kids take funds in excitement and then crib about it when they aren't able to switch to Bangalore, delhi etc. there aren't many good firms who do funds in Mumbai let alone other cities.

Doing mna or gc for the first one or two years won't matter at all in the long run even if you do decide to get into funds.

Unfortunately, yes. Even droppers have to say Sir. At least in my NLU. There is a guy in my batch who is two years older to us, so he was old enough to be in third year when he was in first year. However, he had to address even second years younger than him as Sir. Once he asked a second year girl, younger to him, on a date. There was a huge hungama and the entire second year batch came down to our floor and roughed him up, as if he had committed a huge crime by asking her out.

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I have a BMS degree and four years of work experience, including two years in business operations and two years as a Brand Protection Analyst focusing on Intellectual Property Rights (IPR). Now, I'm looking to further my career in this field. I'm thinking about doing a Post Graduation in IPR from GLC to deepen my knowledge. I'm also considering a 3-year LLB degree to better understand the legal side, which I think will complement my IPR expertise. Can I do both at the same time? Do I need to pass an entrance exam for the LLB program? I'd really appreciate any advice on planning my education in IPR.

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I have a BMS degree and four years of work experience, including two years in business operations and two years as a Brand Protection Analyst focusing on Intellectual Property Rights (IPR). Now, I'm looking to further my career in this field. I'm thinking about doing a Post Graduation in IPR from GLC to deepen my knowledge. I'm also considering a 3-year LLB degree to better understand the legal side, which I think will complement my IPR expertise. Can I do both at the same time? Do I need to pass an entrance exam for the LLB program? I'd really appreciate any advice on planning my education in IPR.

- I am a practising junior adv [(27 yrs); PQE 3-4 years], having worked in Delhi and Bombay mainly on the Criminal Side (white Collar) with a few commercial matters (Arbitrations and etc.) Luckily I have always had good chambers and seniors to work with along with decent pay. While i think being into practise is great and rewarding, but however there are many more factors which go into sustaining one in the long term. Friends who are into practise are mostly operating from their hometowns and working hard.

- Even I work hard and get paid decently enough to sustain myself (average) in a city like Mumbai. However, right now I feel a major portion of my professional development is related to arguing, appearing, drafting, liaising with clients and other counsels/solicitors etc., trying to get better with every going brief (but it is mainly Court related work)

- However, I feel that in order to increase my prospects, learning and skill, I should change/switch and try something new apart from litigation? Or is it just me convincing myself that I would not be able to sustain myself in a place like Mumbai, Delhi keeping in mind that the trends and factors (beyond my control) which often translate into having a successful practice? any help would be appreciated?

The wedding is not exactly about charity. Its about building international relations especially when reliance retail is increasing its global presence.

How many foreign brands, people, etc came to India before? The ambanis have brought companies that Indians couldn't have imagined, otherwise india would be similar to any other south asian country like Bangladesh or Sri Lanka.

Indians may cry about the cheap display of wealth but at the end of the day it's the country who's benefitting from this.

"They have put a cut off of 45 for the general category and 40 for SC/ST. What kind of lawyer will the person be if they cannot score this much? You are asking to lower it to 40 and 35!" CJI said.

"Padho bhai! (please study)," CJI told the petitioner in passing.

What is the best way to approach getting back to work (law firms) after a career break (6-12 months long)? Have you ever taken one? Are the hiring partners biased against you for this reason? Is it tougher to get back? Is health an acceptable reason? Or maybe “just needed a break” good enough reason? Is there a way to put an acceptable positive spin on this? Can it prove to be a career suicide?

Update - https://www.linkedin.com/posts/sanskar-garg1_internshipexperience-toxicworkplace-internshipnightmare-activity-7216018472705613824-1Xjw/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android

this article might be completely true, there was another thread on vohra on legallyindia itself https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/317693-vohra-vohra-reviews-comments-experiences

I posted this in some other thread too. So I know SA promotions are to the hardworking diligent A0-A3s who also are keen to learn. But PA promotions are solely based on ability to rope clients? I don't think my background or relatives or knowns can become clients to the firm. Or do people manage to build profesional personal connections to the effect they bring clients on their own?? Or are PAs can also be made without necessarily bringing the clients?

The same about partners? How to then jump to the partner wagon which is a very business managing role as well. Partners and PAs from middle class background with parents in services, can you share the wisdom that brought you where you are. Tensed and anxious A0 @T1

My question is somewhat of a speculative nature, but I would be grateful if any person from National Law University (NLU-D) or elsewhere could provide information regarding my query.

I have received an offer of provisional admission to the Ph.D. Programme in Social Sciences at NLU-D. My subject area is Political Science.

From 2024–2025, NLU-D has started Ph.D. Programme in Social Sciences for Political Science, Sociology, Criminology, Economics and English. But looking at their faculty directory, it appears that they only have one professor with explicit academic training in Political Science, and that too in International Relations (Prof. (Dr.) Maheshwar Singh). While it may be true that other faculty members, despite being primarily from Law, are also capable of inter-disciplinary research and supervising students from non-legal backgrounds like Political Science, how easy do you think the overall process for the same would be? As someone from Political Science, I am particularly curious about the kind of topics that I can pursue and the kind of research methodology that the faculty would be comfortable with.

Thank you for your time.

I'm 23. I got placed with 17.6 LPA in Delhi firm. NGL I'm gonna marry someone who earns more than me or atleast the same as me. By the age of 30, we both will be making 1.5cr+.

Does this mean we'll be sorted by age of 45-50? Can we retire then?

Also, I don't want to compromise on my job but I understand I'll have to stay at home during labour.

I want help on the following factors:

1. Retirement age

2. How to address concerns in lives of female professionals (pregnancy, child care, household responsibilities, etc)

Let's be honest, if we keep our black-coat, white - band and humanistic attitude away for a while and think, we would found that pay in th legal profession is extremely low, compared to other professions. For tjose who disagree, I have the following arguments -

1. I'm not talking about corproate, litigation pays literally nothing, (where 95% of the workforce is)

2. Even in corporate, the legal professionals earn way less than their counterparts in tech, finance or consulting.

3. The amount of time and money invested on law (5-6 years) gives virtually no returns if the same is done in any other industry. Again exceptions are there but they are equally rare.

4. Recent recrutiment in law firms and in -house reflectes how narrow the hiring mindset of recruiters are in the industry. Less than 18 colleges account for more than 95% of all jobs in the country.

5. Arrogance, Nepotism and ignorance is the central theme of this industry, where connections is paramount than merit and skill.

Do you thing having so many fundamental vices, the legal industry has chances of survival in the future?

Damn! I thought this sir/ma'am bullshit was a USP of only dogshit tier NLUs like NUSRL. Some of our seniors took pride in instilling "discipline" while being drunk on country liquor. These seniors who could not even intern with district court advocates in their holier than thou attitude went around telling juniors what to do and how to do it. Fkn idiots "disciplined" juniors for clicking a picture outside the mess or laughing a bit loudly in the mess. Now these same seniors ask their juniors for referrals. It is not even funny, just absurd.

There is a dediacted thread on LI on this. Hope it calrifies..

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/364958-why-so-many-in-bvp-pune#:~:text=Since%20there%20are%20literally%20no,for%20them%20to%20study%20law.

Nationalisation of NLUs is a long process and lot of adjustments has to made. As far as funding and investment for NLUs were done by respective state and they won't love to just give it off at one go without proper reimbursement. Every NLUs have their own bylaws which has to approached through legislative means. A directive from SC can be just a starting stone and can never be a single stroke over haul. And most importantly Central Government would have to keep their thoughts about it this.

The sheer entitlement to say "which is how things should be as we cleared CLAT and were destined for top tier jobs".

I have seen literal top ten clat rank holders screw up most basic stuff in their 2nd year. You will find equally good if not better candidates at tier 2 or Traditional law colleges. Lawfirm work isn't mind-bogglingly difficult that only"NLU Kids" can do it. Heck, I bet with proper training of 6 months anybody can do a DD. Would kindly request you to stop being so entitled and look at ground realities.

My good friend went there. It’s hardly an LLM. More like an MA in humanities. Just full of woke content taught by far-left faculty. Better to do a serious LLM where you study traditional legal subjects and are taught objectively. If you are a human rights type person you might as well just go to JNU or TISS for an MA.

No admin at GLC gives a rat's fart about attendance. Use that to your advantage. Intern, intern, intern, like crazy. They say 'lifelong GLC interns' for a reason. You won't understand this RN, but you'll gain a lot of practical knowledge by interning like that which you wouldn't if you were only in the classroom. Best of luck!

Hello

I am LLB graduate 2024 batch Non-NLU good uni , with no extensive placements or any job offer. I am interested to explore IP and financial regulatory domains which I did not explore in my law school However I have publications and certifications. I have applied to ip law firms and regulatory ones too. My applications are getting acknowledged too. I am in dilemma if things go forward, how can I explore and decide which one I should be pursuing.

I have few questions and doubts.

Which law I should focus more ? Or if I feel the need to switch What is the timeline associates should consider before switching to different practice area ? Also please tell me how is the environment in firms and learning growth in these practices areas. And Which firms I should be targeting

I am in need of guidance! Thank you :)

I'm an A0 at a T1 firm, joined about a week back and I'm keeping the fact that I find time to workout daily slightly lowkey at the firm (don't want any nosy people finding out that I have even an hour extra on my schedule). That said is it a good idea to ever mention to a superior that you might need an extra 30 mins here or there to squeeze in a workout. Has this ever gone bad for any of you. Goes without saying that I mean subtle - not immediately noticeable consequences.

Be good to professors/admin, they'll make your life hell but hust push through. Get good marks in initial years. Try to intern across places to decide what interests you. Try to join committees and take part in competitions, it's probably the only "college life" you'll be getting.

It’s a good thing. Maybe there are more normies around than these crazy attention seekers. There’s absolutely nothing that a protest on an Indian campus can achieve. India’s foreign policy is quite clear in supporting Palestinian statehood while supporting Israel as well. It’s a sensible stance. The war won’t stop because you did drama. The war didn’t stop because idiots at American universities did drama. All they did was harass Jews and make their neighbors annoyed, and possibly got trump elected for 2025.

This particular revolution is a stupid cultural revolution that students from developing countries shouldn’t waste their time on. In fact - the only instances where there have been protests - it’s because there are extremely elite wealthy people who are divorced from reality , terminally online, and wanting to posture as revolutionaries.

The protests at Jindal and Ashoka are more performance art because they had no goal they wanted to achieve. The petitions at nalsar and nls - they’re modern day call for outcasting Jewish people from academic life. Based all on a stupid simplistic reading of a complex conflict. And they didn’t get anywhere because that sort of targeting of any religion / ethnic group is literally bigoted.

You have some idiots on here now and then repeat the hateful Hamas propaganda but honestly who has the time ? It’s not possible to have good productive sensible conversations with people who have given up critical thinking.

Can anyone provide an insight into the firm? Have heard from college seniors that Funds team fetches the most money but is more toxic than most T1s. Been advised to stay away from Funds and fill other practice area as preference. Does one have to remain available on weekends as well? How is Tejesh as a mentor? Can someone guide

I have a very very good percentile in the CET and I am confident I'll get GLC allotted in the first round of CAP. Just wanted to know what I hypothetically would have to experience if I get in. Can be anything from administrative hurdles to any pro tips around them or just in general advise to make student life @ GLC an easier ride.

They won't take third years, and they won't take you at all if you're not from a top NLU or an NLU that they have standing relations with (NLUO, HNLU etc). And they generally only take assessment interns.

That said, the firm was very warm and welcoming. The open bar on Fridays and culture of vaping in the office definitely helped, too.

He certainly has been, back when I worked under him. Used to take out the time to appreciate good work, and at times when some work went south, focussed more on ensuring that it could be be straightened rather than immediately whooping someone's ass. Doesn't mind waking you up for work at any hour tho. So, one of the better people I've seen at AZB, but still a variant to the AZB culture nevertheless?

How do first gen lawyers get promoted? Esp those from service class middle class bg? SA promotion is working based... But how do I become PA? My parents or knowns can't bring in client.. so how do I bring clients? Or is bringing clients not the most important factor for PA promotions? Or do people learn to build personal connections and rope in clients

For 3 year llb course -

Half of your batchmates will be married uncle aunties in their mid 30s to 40s. They have full time jobs/businesses and will only show up twice a year just to give exams.Remaining half will be ambition-less kids with baap ka paisa who have don't really care about jobs career etc, they're better off than to worry about stupid stuff like career.

Regarding college -

Teachers are decent but they teach useless outdated stuff which won't help you in working as a lawyer. There is no real hands-on training given, other colleges atleast give you opportunities for exposure to a certain level but at bvp everyone knows that it's a farzi college so no one really cares, bass saste mai degree mil jayegi uske aage tum tumhara dekh lo.

Also there is no such thing as placements here, absolute 0 placements, don't go by the advertisements, it's all fake. Most of the placements they are quoting are actually not jobs but simple one month internships, so it's practically a scam.

Silver lining -

No attendance issues so u can intern all year round like glc students (that is if you somehow can get internships on your own).
I do know a handful of people who have taken this route and have gone ahead to do well for themselves. Although they are more of an exception than the norm.

I don't understand why people say ECM is not lucrative. Trilegal and SnR pays ~20 LPA at A0 and is at par with other practice areas when you move up the rank. SAM, CAM, Indus, KCO all pay the same across practice areas including ECM. Indus also gave more bonus to people in ECM, CAM after the exodus increased the retainers for ECM associates.

There is rarely an undercutting on big deals. CAM charges highest, followed by Indus, SAM, KCo and others. I agree it's a fixed fee mandate and there is no hourly billing but it's not that behind than M&A and Disputes.

Yeah no. As was said initially, if you are 1000% sure you want to do nothing except corp law firm job after graduating, don't go for NLUD - as many other NLUs like NUJS are top class in that respect. Ofc the implicit acknowledgment here is that NUJS gives you more opportunities in this sector.

Similarly, if you're 1000% sure that you want to go for UPSC etc and don't want to keep law firm jobs etc as plan B, sure you should go for some DU like college and not join any NLU at all as they are mad expensive.

You may believe that NLUD is behind placements from n number of clgs, but that's just anecdotal evidence. There are two sources of evidence that are reliable here: (1) the official/informal numbers of jobs from the pool of ppl who signed up for taking jobs and (2) what NLUD students themselves share with you. Rest everything is anyone's belief and they're happy to hold them close to their hearts. Unfortunately for them, that doesn't change the reality.

Clerkship even under a HC Judge is more valued that under the Registry. Working under the Registry will be research based tasks like the SC newsletter, assisting in proofing of applications very mundane work. Not much value even if you want to go abroad ( like most clerks do)

Work under a Judge will be more intellectually stimulating due to the guidance and relationship you establish from interacting with an Judge.

Any idea who's gonna join NLU Assam. It had a lot of potential being the only NE NLU, but failed massively. They have reservations but only for Assam students. On the other hand they should have given reservation to NE students as a whole and made it NEs NLU. NLU North East would have been a better aim. Unfortunately, no visionary VC. Now Meghalaya, Tripura and Sikkim already have a new NLU. I hope the new VC realises the potential Assam still has.

GC

M&A

DISPUTE RESOLUTION

Rest are just the same unless the firm is boutique or specialised in a particular field. For instance, in LKS, most lucrative would be Taxation. Trilegal's competition practice is well-established so they make the same as GC individuals. For other T-1s, it's either GC and/or M&A. Unfortunately, IP individuals don't get paid the same as their peers in other fields.

In any case, it depends on the working hours you put in, your ability to get clients and your position in the firm (salaried/equity or managing partner).

Working at a T1 here with half a decade of experience . Even at level of partners and senior partners they insist on being addressed by their first name, and to not use sir. Respect comes from your work and how you treat someone, not by the use of sir. Such bullying is neither harmless nor useful for teaching any purported professionalism.

Here's an excellent piece by Maheshwar Peri of Careers 360. While this talks about all fields of education, it also applies to law. BITS Law and IIULER have set new standards for exorbitant fees. Within five years, they will top ₹1 crore for a five-year degree. But that can still be understood that these are private law schools. He mentions NLUs. The biggest culprits are the state NLUs. They have been raising their fees beyond affordability levels for most. Education loans make the problem worse. It is a case wherein the solution is worse than the problem, and coupling this with the ease with which aspirants are advised to take drop years we have a death spiral in hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUHPaR47_CI

Ya’ll are too sensitive. It’s pretty harmless ragging. No one is physically or verbally insulting anyone. You just need to say Sir for the first 2 months, wear formal clothes, shave and comb your hair. What’s wrong with that? Just chill. Remember also that your seniors will be there to help you when you need them, such as sharing notes or giving internship advice.

Let me repeat: there is no physical violence or verbal insults, and I do not support such things.