Thank you for sharing this. I work in a team where my boss actively discourages juniors hanging out after work. She wants to be informed if people are planning to hang out and gets mad if people hang out without her/ informing her. She has taken things to a level where if a partner from another team is throwing a party/get together, then we can’t go without informing her (she is rarely invited to these because of her inability to make friends). Once she made a senior member of the team apologise to her publicly for attending another partner’s party where she wasn’t invited.

Have a hobby outside work which you are good at. This will ensure your confidence isn’t built on the work/ profession you do. Your self worth will be derived from more than just your day job. Humans crave feedback and appreciation so it doesn’t have to come only from you day job.

Also, speak to close friends about this. They may be going through the same issue and will be better abe to sympathise with you. Lawyers need a strong support system which can help them bounce back.

If it’s getting too bad, tolerate it till you have decent level of experience that you can switch to another place.

Cheers

When Tier 1 NLUs don't get jobs, people say look at them, they are meant for better things, be it UPSC or judiciary. When Tier 2 NLU grads actually choose the judiciary and other careers and are successful at it, people criticise them for not getting enough corp jobs. The irony of life!

I work in the chamber of a Senior Advocate, I don't have an issue with the work and timings but at times I just get disappointed/depressed with the abusive and harsh words used by him and it leaves me in Self-doubt and all the confidence that I have gathered is shattered. I would be grateful if you could suggest the way you dealt with the situation and grow from it. How can a caterpillar turn into a butterfly?

Seems dog lovers only thrive on one thing and that is whataboutery. You f**** told you provided solutions and now when people want to hear it out in the open you want them to research. Let me get one thing straight, dogs are headed out from all campuses so maybe wrap your pea-sized brain around that concept

lol by what metric? hes only talked about so much because 1) hes from NLS so NLS students with no achievements of their own can vicariously live through him and his designated senior status and 2) hes much more visible on internet / social media than others.

Arun Kathpalia is a senior who virtually does no self-promotion yet he is unanimously recognised as an insolvency expert. By this popularity metric some law firm principal associate in Legal500 would be felicitated over him in LI just because of these paid-for rankings.

The guards have been lax, no 2 ways about it. From where I come our society has a strict safeguard to prevent random strays from entering the apartment complex and remain outside only. Don’t know why such a thing can’t be enforced in a college campus, it’s not that dogs are being removed from public space.

I had worked with this partner for a Boutique Law Firm started by him and I think he is one of the most insecure partners I have come across.

He liked to write for newspapers and give quotes but never bothered to write himself. He would not give credit to associates who wrote for him even in office for the fear that they will be recognized by other firms and leave the firm.

He also would get upset if associates hang out without him for the fear that they are getting along and would talk about him. In fact he would actively try to get associates to distrust each other.

He would also keep an eye on all the associates during practitioners meet to ensure they do not talk or approach any other partners and if an associate left to join a competitor he would go out of his way to spread stories of how they stole data, shared clients info and all.

Indeed, thank you @Darkseid for the bug report, that's now fixed - usernames are now completely hidden from the old LI frontpage, since they weren't that useful in that context anyway, and apparently usernames were getting matched with wrong comments on the homepage due to a glitch.

Out of interest - do many people still find the old LI homepage useful for seeing an overview of latest comments, or do you directly go to https://www.legallyindia.com/convos ?

We did come up with solutions, not on us if you are not willing to listen and since you are the people who want to make it happen, you do it and face legal consequences. Anything to do with the relocation is not our responsibility or idea. Relocating them periodically is illegal, impractical and your responsibility, since it's your idea. And it will most definitely be reported. Find a great plan that's legal. Best of luck.

Just came across this recent piece by Adv. Adit Pujari on the same subject. Its a nice read and I hope his recommendations are given effect to!

Check it out - https://www.barandbench.com/columns/preventing-brain-drain-in-the-litigation-sphere-how-do-we-make-things-easier-for-young-lawyers

HSF India group partners have been going around some of the top NLUs and JGLS advocating their new India internship programme which is apparently open to “all law students in India”. Is this programme any different from the traditional vacation scheme that they offer? Will they now truly be taking people from non NLUs? Will the procedure be any different from that of vacation schemes? Kindly elaborate

can the dog supporting party come up with actual solutions or will keep whining about how maneka gandhi supports them, while everyone (including disabled students) faces the wrath of the dog bites

Unless you don't, relocating them periodically seems like a pretty good plan

no one is keeping them, they belong here, they were born here. I don't appreciate random people on my floor throwing up in shared spaces either on a weekly basis either, not trying to get them illegally thrown out now, am I. We close the doors at the hostel to make sure they don't come in at night, I would suggest you try that.

Oh we are entitled to feed alright and we will, glad it astounded you. Didn't bother reading the case did you, it was a suggestion of a judge in the case, not an order and it's not binding, but sure please go ahead and see if you can make the feeders liable, would love to watch it play out :)

Actually, you are the one who is mistaken.

First, anybody earning more than a lakh per month isn't a middle class individual financially in this country.

Secondly, most of these things are luxuries and not essentialities for marriage or leading a happy life.

Thirdly, it is true that the bulk of the population belongs to lower income groups. However, the entire economy actually rests on them being exploited by people like us so as to live our lives comfortably. So the least that you can do is not pass off snide remarks to them, because our fancy lives depend on them remaining uneducated and making poor life choices.

That’s being modest my man, the Infra is crumbling.. do consider the college if you love dogs, snakes and living in a macro sized room with 20 girls/boys on the floor jostling for that 1-2 functional washrooms in the middle of a village and a cool 25 mins drive from the city centre (Although Jodhpur is still a rural town at best). Go for some other place surely.

Cajole and coax the nepo baby and get on his or her good books. Do all the work sincerely meanwhile.

Play as a friend and poke holes in their work but dont get caught. Cause the nepo baby to commit 2-3 disaster level mistakes.

In either way, nepo babies dont last long without performance. Chill.

Everything said and done, what matter at the end of the day is how much money you bring to the table and that’s a sad reality in itself. (For a long term companionship) irrespective of whatever idealist gyaan anyone may dole out. Certain subconscious biases also tend to be present which will guide girls to men who have the $s. If you are looking for something short term then that’s a different ball game.

@Guest above

Sir you are mistaken. That all is necessary to get married if you are middle class , upper middle class or higher class.

70% of our population are rural and uneducated people and THEY are the reason of population explosion. They get married and reproduce at fast pace without giving a damn about consequences.

NONE of my friends are married But EVERY person who has worked as "driver or cleaner" in my home married in 2021/2022 and now have a kid !

You can keep 2000 dogs but please provide in writing that you and the dog lover association will pay for my treatment and ₹10L in compensation if any dog attacks me and agree to be held personally liable for all nuisance/dirt/other activities caused by your beloved friends(dogs).

Also co living and all is fine but I don’t appreciate dogs scourging my hostel floors dustbin at any random hour of the day/night. And this beautiful thing happens when I live on the second floor. Can’t imagine what the scene is like at lower floors.

Thanks to @KianGanz sir. This was much needed.

Thanks also to new mods for devoting time and making an effort to sustain this website for free exchange of information and inside secrets of the industry.

@AshReh@TheLord@Waqeel@Tier-1NLU@TroubledLawyer

I m not a girl. But let me answer please.

If planning for marriage :-

1. You need really good job (1L per month or more)

2. Living in good city

3. Car (Swift minimum )

4. Have calm nerves and can handle mood swings

5. Doesnt talk or lash out much but a patient listener

6. Is able to keep your office stress to yourself

7. Can cook

8. Decent looking

9. Doesnt not come from toxic family if staying with parents OR you live separately and visit them on vacations / festivals only.

10. Is not possessive / jealous , helicopter spouse and questions her every move!

Thats for marriage.

If dating, I think women prefer looks first, popularity second , and resourcefulness third. They just want to have fun in those cases. Fun requires money and time.

Let me share my personal experience:

I started off my career with 11k at a cosmopolitan city and the money I was paid meant I did not have the financial capacity to take a bike on an EMI.

Fortunately, my brother agreed to give his Honda Activa to me and with that, I managed my daily commute.

I spent three months at my first office with a senior who expected me stay in the office from 9.30am to 8.30pm on the weekdays and upto anywhere between 3-4pm on weekends.

I quit in my fourth month and joined a law firm as I came from a law school. I was initially paid a paltry sum but within 2 years, I managed to find a job with a very good salary.

Litigation offices can have bossy people all around who give a damn to your personal and emotional well being.

The senior I worked with was a gentleman who worked more than I did and really took care of me like his younger brother. However, it was not me in time to spend the whole day in the office and yet think thrice to go attend a family's event at 8.30 pm, for that required me to walk upto the senior and ask for a permission to leave the office before he did. Leaving office before your senior does is frowned upon, but that is an established practice and here to stay.

If you intend to continue litigating, you need to forego quite a bit on the personal front in the first six to eight years of your practice.

All the best !

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/no-coercive-action-on-feeding-stray-dogs-supreme-court-101668193874481.html

https://factly.in/there-is-no-supreme-court-order-which-makes-the-person-feeding-stray-dogs-liable-for-its-bites/

Lol.

😄 Great question.

They do so to maintain DIGNITY / Image.

AFAIK, Dua Associates is dying out. Still when you apply for an internship , you get a rejection mail within a day!

Internship in Dua is a matter of personal contact solely. Just a bunch of Old People running the firm.

Not all recourse will have to be obtained from the IT Rules. Plain tort will apply here. Kian would have knowingly allowed the possibility of such harmful comments after having moderated scores of such in the past. Civil liability does not have to fulfill the high criminal standards either.

@Kian and new Mods: You should note that even if an user hides their username while commenting after logging in, the main page is still showing the comments under their names only. Just pointing out the glitch. For example, I could see several comments on the main page under the userhandle ▮▮▮, when the actual comments have been made under the Guest moniker.

You’re embarrassing yourself really. So much jealousy towards NLUD just because it wishes to maintain high academic and research standards by conducting a separate exam. And don’t pretend as if NLUD would be shit if not for NIRF. We have a high NIRF rank because we’re actually good, not the other way around. Some data issue won’t change that.

If you can elaborate a bit about what you do like or don't like (such as writing, debating, speaking in public etc.), as well as any other strengths and weaknesses that you have, then it may be easier for people who are willing to help to do so. If it is a 3-Year LLB that you wish to do from Bengal, then try to do from Burdwan University or North Bengal University, instead of any local law college. While these are not great places, they have been offering the programme for long and do have some good alumni and faculty whom you can seek career advice from. If you can spare the fund to go outside Bengal, then DU is obviously the best possible choice. While studying, you can generally focus on examination-based career options, like judiciary examination or even the state/central civil services. Use your vacations to intern at smaller firms, who may be more amenable to accepting 3-Year law students as interns. You can also try to write the CLAT PG examination at the end of 3-Years, since some of the PSUs still shortlist for interviews based on that. Given that you have an UG degree in English, you can try your hands with content-writing during these 3-years to make some extra money. Hope this helps. I know a few people who have been in positions similar to you and the hardworking ones who could maintain focus have turned out to be quite successful by now. So, best of luck and chin up!

Thanks for writing this. I have been crying about it for 2 years now. Litigating lawyers is an ignored sector of economy - unregulated sector.

Infact, the amount of exploitation is same in law firms but they get paid atleast.

I want to add few more points :-

1. You can only litigate efficiently as long as your LEGS are fine.

2. You need highly connected social circle to get best cases. With so much time in office you cant socialize much.

3. No opportunity to do remote work, unlike other fields like CA or Software jobs.

4. Crazy work hours will not allow you to devote much time to family or friends. You become a dead person with no soul. Dark eyes. Tired all the time.

5. Over time you become unhealthy, no work life balance , back issues , common survical pain. You get diabetes around 40s.

6. Bar is a toxic acid spewing Monster

7. Problem of uncle judges and papa justices.

8. As economy/inflation is rising, other pvt sectors are getting remunerated proportionately . It is not uncommon for youngers to do CA / CS / Software jobs and crack Big4/MAANG companies and earn 15-20LPA easily at age of 20-23 .

In contrast, income in govt jobs and litigation practise (or CA practise ) does not increase as steeply.

9. High Chance of diorce in litigation and law firm due to work hours