Work life balance is more important than you think. When you are working till 4am in the night back to back, all your enthusiasm will disappear

https://livewire.thewire.in/livewire/indian-law-firms-and-burnt-out-meat-robots-savagery-at-its-finest/

I've been here's so I'll tell you the truth. This is solely basis job opportunities and if your priorities are diff then diff answers may work. For ex- best infra and party life is RGNUL.

For jobs- NALSAR NLS AND NUJS are almost par (barring the LI big dick battles which happen everyday)

Then there is a string of other T1 colleges which will give you the same opportunities given you put in work, with their own downsides ofc, like GNLU has a huge batch size. But these 2 are generally same tier- GNLU and NUJS

NLIU again at intersection of Tier 1 and Tier 2, you can go here without worrying too much. But not quiet the same level as the former 6.

After this SLS Pune and Jindal in herirachy (confirmed from treatment at internships, still you can choose these two as well)

For placements NLUO followed by HNLU and NUALS to an extent (trilegal goes to campus at NUALS)

Below this RGNUL RML MNLU are sold by coachings but vv bleak job prospects. Uske niche mat hi jaoo, infact in colleges mei bhi mat hi jaoo.

The top 5-6 followed by HNLU/NLUO should be your last resort. Goodluck

I am an ex jee aspirant( currently in 12th , could have gotten into top NITs( IITs this year i probably won't be able to get in...if i take a drop maybe , but now am aiming for top NLUs) who wanna do law now because law as a career really intrigues me( also the money long term ofc) compared to sitting in front of computer and code all day but when I searched law vs engineering on this platform everyone said blindly choose engineering for better wlb and pay( engineering from top NIT/IITs) I agree in engineering u get better wlb but in law u get better pay also. Look I have relatives from IITs and ik that they get huge CTCs ,30 lpa is common CTC in iits but u do know in hand is less than 1.5 right? {and that too only if u get under 5000 rank out of 12 lakh students( cse and ece branch) , for rest who get into other branches average CTC of them is like 15 lpa with in hand less than 1 lpm) And u only get stocks( which is included while offering CTC) for first 3-4 years that too if u stay with same company+ they pay much more taxes than T1 lawyers too( I am saying t1 only here because I am confident enough I would get in top 5 NLUs based on my score in CLAT mocks and can get in t1) .

Secondly, growth in law firms within 10 years is much more than engineering. Yes engineers also grow in salaries but only those do who keep upskilling themselves and learning and even after all that ,let's say after 10 years their CTC reaches 1- 1.5 crore , even then in hand will still be 4-5 lpm max ( post tax, epf, rsu, insurance , food benefits etc whatever they add in CTC) and any t1 lawyer after 10 years make more than that in hand. Also in engineering whoever says it's much easier to move abroad, calm down for a bit. Only usa pays better for top paid engineers and NOT EVERYONE these days get H1B visa lol the rate is 10-15% and then they get jobs in Cali etc which is fucking expensive, or New York for ur magic circle law firms lol. Yes if u take cost of living into consideration it's much better decision to stay in india than move abroad except better work environment ofc and ig better standard of living? But i wouldn't say that because if u r earning that much in india u can pretty much afford every single thing and lifestyle is never a compromise.

Also salary in tech only keep growing only if keep upskilling urself and learning new things or getting a mba , while law u just have to work almost same thing everyday( yes u get some diff responsibilities at diff positions but u learn all that while working inside firm itself) ,also don't u think engineers r too damn much in number( even from nit/IITs) and after PQE 10 partner at a law firm is more prestigious than a senior engineer at a software company? ( even faang) . All in all I don't have problem with working 12 hours a day in my 20s and till 30s too ( till i become an equity partner, ik I am looking too far into future but i have to, it's biggest decision of my life . Both r vastly different fields and I have to consider everything). I really don't understand why everyone here hate becoming lawyer so much and is so lala about engineering profession ( except wlb part, they do have that ) AND am I really doing wrong ( like have I understood anything wrong about law profession or engineering?) by thinking to go into law instead of engineering?

Capital Markets (ECM)

- zero application of law (just reading along the lines of ICDR and LODR)

- lot of due diligence

- clerical scope of work across diligences

- fixed fee mandates for urgent turnaround times

- less firms with star practices (Indus, SAM, CAM, S&R, KCO) || (TL, AZB, Saraf, L&L)

- lot of attrition, freshers playing musical chairs for GC/M&A after realizing what they walked into

- barring T1 firms, very few firms doing proper ECM work (Rajani, Crawford, SNG, Bharucha)

- very few bankers doing quality IPOs which already have their go-to advisers and counsels i.e. lot of entry barriers for other firms to bag sizeable mandates

- exploitation of interns and paralegals by making them do all the dirty diligence for months and not getting them on the team because "we have no vacancies right now: we are going for campus"

- long hours, less bonus components

- very sleek chances of fitting in-house roles for Investment Banks/Hedge Funds

Ayn Rand on Israel:

“The Arabs are one of the least developed cultures. They are typically nomads. Their culture is primitive, and they resent Israel because it’s the sole beachhead of modern science and civilization on their continent. When you have civilized men fighting savages, you support the civilized men, no matter who they are.”

https://libquotes.com/ayn-rand/quote/lbz5g6d

Its one friend tweeting against another friend. Its not about NUJS and NLSIU. Ashish Goel and Gautam Bhatia wrote a joint letter to the bar council when Ranjan Gogoi was facing harassment charges. The camaraderie goes back a long way in the past. Alumni of big law schools care about rights. There's nothing unusual about it. This persecution of lawyers is both morally and legally wrong and who else if not the bar will stand up to this persecution.

I also wonder how much equity they actually get, if a law firm with an annual income of 300-400 crores (at most) is having to split the profit across 112 equity partners. We know the top equity partners at Trilegal are making 10-15 CPA, then what's actually left for these new "equity" partners. In fact, if you're not the absolute top rainmaker (in your PQE bracket), its better to be a salaried partner at CAM/SAM/AZB.

And tragically, Richard Mille is doing the same to the top end as well. Disgusting design, worn by tasteless folks. The number of clients I see (M&A/Gen Corp SA here) wearing Hublots is TOO DAMN HIGH. My bonus has been set aside for the Rolex Explorer (I'm getting there soon), that will be real class.

Listen to our Home Minister Amit Shah talking about the importance of forensic science in the criminal justice system. The role of technology cannot be overstated with ICJS (https://ecommitteesci.gov.in/icjs/). With the new laws and amendments to the existing ones, the growing importance of NFSU can be gauged quite easily.

https://x.com/AmitShah/status/1710663990882467914?s=20

minimum of 2.30 to 2.70 lakhs per month should be the ideal figure basis industry standard. I am currently working with an IP boutique and based out of Delhi and this is what boutiques pay here atleast. Variable component should be 2-3 months of salary. You should be pushing for 35-37 lakhs yearly.

1st-year student here. I have completed my research paper on consti law and want to get it published in a nice journal and I'm confident it would get published in at least a decent journal.

is the journal mentioned in headline good enough? (their submission deadline is end of this month)

if not this, then which other consti law journals have their call for papers out or will have soon?

Please don't depend on HR words. They are just employees of an organisation and they dont tell truth most of the times. Focus on next opportunity and treat this as 1% until the time you receive job letter on your email. Its rule of life if you are something very badly then that thing won't care about your value. Move on!

White Collar crimes (not the BS that firms do, but actual trials) that require good knowledge of criminal law as well as an understanding of a business industry (along with some knowledge of corporate law).

Apart from that, Tax is dynamic and has a bigger learning curve.

M&A as well as PE/VC is great fun at senior levels (PA and above)...or maybe it just feels better after doing your share of DDs.

Arghya Sengupta’s op-ed in today’s TOI cites RSS founder Gowalkar. Cites police atrocities during Hashimpura ‘87, but not Mumbai ‘91, Gujarat ‘02, Delhi, Kashmir, Manipur etc. 🤭

https://twitter.com/Arghya_justify/status/1710873757177287073

Anecdotal incidents do not prove anything. Just to cite some data:

1. The number of JEE Main and Advanced takers has been dropping in the past 9 years.
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/education/news/students-are-considering-alternative-options-which-is-leading-to-lower-registration-for-iit-jee-advanced/articleshow/93926461.cms

https://testbook.com/jee-main/how-many-students-appeared-for-jee-main-year-wise-trend

2. The number of takers for GATE also has been dropping
https://www.gate2016.info/gate-yearwise-candidate-paper-analysis/

Students are opting for other careers and professions, and that's a good thing.

Lets’s look at some star NLU alumni working in the field of human rights:

1. Menaka G and Arundhati K, NLSIU: Already won Time 100 mention and Jefferson Prize. Nobel has never been awarded to LGBT activists. So chances are good.

2. Lawrence Liang, NLSIU: He has won the Infosys Prize. If the Nobel awards people fighting for access to health and access to education over IP rights, he stands a chance as a pioneering copy left activist. But it’s a bit niche as a field.

3. Gautam Bhatia, NLSIU: Has not won any major prize yet. But future prospect.

4. Arghya Sengupta,NLSIU: Same.

5. Tarun Khaitan, NLSIU: Has won a very prestigious academic prize (Letten Prize) but more a scholar than an activist. So chances not that high.

6. Anoop Surendranath, NALSAR: He can be an interesting choice, as a death penalty abolition activist doing great work in the field. The Nobel has never been awarded for the cause of death penalty abolition. But he may have to do some more research, eg focus on political executions.

Yes, of course. If you want to indulge in politics and rallying JNU is the best place. For all others, IITB is far ahead and far better. In IITB you indulge in academic activities and also get the opportunity to interact with other good students from other engineering disciplines. Overall it makes you a better graduate. But then everyone does NOT want to be as competent, hence choose DSE or JNU. Lol. Enjoy the ride.

We can view the Magsaysay Prize as a precursor to the Nobel. The Magsaysay Prize is even called the Asian Nobel. Among lawyers, only MC Mehta has won the Magsaysay Prize. He stands a chance to win as an environmentalist if Greta Thunberg is overlooked in favour of an Asian person.

Its become shitty place to work at,you got luck you didn't get called back.Theres a hiring freeze now,and they dont let you change teams easy.Basically the new set of hired partners aren't allowing old hands to change the teams and forcing them out of the firm.So much for meritocratic systems.

Are you serious?

Gsanks has hundreds of appearances a year, continuously argues some of the most important Constitutional law cases, is an amicus in dozens. MG just keeps on bandying about same sex cases which are in fact private interest for her. Where do you get that she is a sharp legal mind or accomplished? Yes, she has a PhD, but that's it.

SAM Mumbai generally gives two week internships first, then has a mandatory callback for a month. I've seen some people get 4 weeks' internship right from the start, but even they were offered callbacks only.

After the callback, the litigation team requires (or required, as of 2 years ago), a series of interviews as well. I've also heard that the Delhi office this year took just one interview, so not sure on what's the firm-wide position on it. All the best!

This is either an attempt at trolling, or your information is so outdated that you don't realise how wrong (and therefore potentially harmful) your information is: JSA has a policy where a 'callback' is not even seemed to be an 'assessment' by default — which means that most people have to intern at least 3 months before getting the first interview (and there's a second interview too). On the contrary, CAM offers PPOs in Mumbai far more easily - based on just one internship. Trilegal has a mandatory callback.

There are many more threads on PPOs and firms' trends, I'd recommend applicants to look at those rather than rely on random comments like these.

Short answer- yes they do hire and there are pros and cons but i think its a great place for a young lawyer. Here is an existing thread on this with commentary from both sides of the fence .. https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/194355-ikigai-do-they-hire-freshers

Both Spice Route and Ikigai Law are beyond 'emerging' for TMT. Have been around for a while, offer a wide range of work spanning data, fintech, ecommerce, healthtech and transactions, enough new-age work like AI, blockchain etc, good pay upwards of 10L going up to 60L per annum, and top tier clients. Between the two firms, you would cover most of the global tech companies as clients. Spice Route has the advantage of a large Bangalore office in the midst of startup activity. Ikigai as a smaller Bangalore presence but sizeable in Delhi where it also does a lot of government facing work in tech policy. It also does a lot more exotic stuff. Both have large teams now with alumni spread out in the TMT ecosystem. Spice has a (much?) larger team overall but with two partners and is junior heavy. Ikigai has a more established mid-level and has 4 partners. Managing partners at both firms I would consider as very forward-looking. Both firms are ranked highly but Spice's name comes up more often in the rankings. Work-life balance and culture generally good at Ikigai, in fact used to be excellent but of late I have heard of mixed signals from their stable on this front. Love reading the Ikigai tech newsletters and blogs. Find Spice route's material slightly more generic in comparison. Both firms do good webinars, and frequently. Overall I would say exceptional and promising TMT practices with rapid career growth if you stick around. Would rank much higher than some others TMT practices commonly named - Indus, NDA, PSA, Khaitan, and would rank in a similar league as Trilegal.

It's really a negative thing to say, who knows what might have happened, perhaps a genuine emergency.And how can u say the partner doesn't like/like a person without the interview, considering the offer letter explicitly states that I would be considered for a position at the firm, in the least a trainee associate.You guys are so awful.

Both are highly accomplished lawyers and some of the sharpest legal minds. I believe both are just putting forward their cases.

However, if I'm being honest, MG is a bit of self-proclaimed jack of all trades which results in errors sometimes. If you read IE regularly, you'd have noticed recurring errors in interpretation and facts in past columns as well.

I am really sorry for you. The harsh truth is, in-house teams prefer work-ex of 3 to 4 years in same practice so landing any position is difficult for outsiders with law firm experience. Secondly, cold emails only work as a fresher, now you need referrals for positions like deputy managers or team leads. And lastly, sending emails for long term internship is a waste of time after 2 yrs PQE, send emails for vacant positions instead. All the best!

The Ukraine war fucked up the global economy, with high commodity and oil prices. Now this shit happens. Will prices go up further? Global inflation and recession certain? Is India screwed big time? Also, India has joined the West in condemning Hamas, while most Islamic countries are silent and those like Iran may support Hamas under the table. Will China and Pakistan now exploit this?

Hi guys

I am final year law student of a non nlu college and I have been seeing every law firm be it T1 or a boutique is posting a job of fresher job starting from PQE 2-3 years.

If things go like this how would a fresher crack a job?

If someone could please share clarity.

Thank you for the feedback. Happy to know it’s having some impact.

I believe my Post 1, Post 3, and Post 3.5 will be helpful for interns. My other posts are mainly aimed at A0s. As an intern you can read the other posts, but since you haven’t faced those specific issues yet, it may not make much sense to you. I may have some biases due to my own experience so please don’t let my posts stop you from taking a proper shot at B&F. Your learning depends a lot on how your team and your immediate seniors are.

All the best!