I agree. Typical LI conversation. Started off brilliantly with people providing valuable suggestions, especially for youngsters who didn't even know IIT and IIM had law courses. And then turns into this mess of JNU and NLU and ranking. Itna promotion actual university ke promoters bhi nahi karte, as if inko paise milre to defend these institutions.

Anyway does anyone have idea of international law for IIT and IIM ?

Nobody is absolving anyone of criticism. Violence, irrespective of who commits it, is to be condemned. But why does no one condemn American attempts to impose their way of life by force upon others, while everyone condemns West Asian countries / the Islamic world, when both attempts are by force and result in casualties ? Either both are wrong or none is wrong, one cannot pick and chose here.

The doctor friends atleast earn equivalent to their harsh hours. If overtime pay was a thing In law firms it would have atleast been a fair argument.

Whilst the profession itself is very fun, the culture completely ruins it. You are neglecting work hours very easily when it is the most important thing in your life. Maybe not now as a law school graduate or an a0 but when your parents get old, you have kids, you will definitely start to feel the burden.

Most t1 lawyers don't even get the weekends free to go out for a small trip with the spouse. What even is the point in earning when you can't even "live"

Absolutely. You are correct. Look at the Japanese. They could have deteriorated into a backward society after WW2 and blamed the US. Instead, they chose the path of education, peace, modernity and prosperity and are superpowers for many decades. Same for Vietnam, a rising power.

We know where the rot lies...

It is amusing to see Indians (who suffered as an erstwhile colony) celebrating the Rhodes Scholarship as some big achievement. I am sure students of humanities know what Cecil Rhodes did in Southern Africa (and Africa in general) to further colonial interests. This shows our mindset. Nice.

Any lawyers part of it and worth joining? It says here that the Chambers costs Rs 30 lakhs to join, but the Quorum charges only 3 lakhs.

Offline seems interesting (though out our league) because it seems to have no physical space and is just a community for people who set up companies worth USD 50 million upwards.

https://epaper.timesgroup.com/article-share?article=08_10_2023_021_014_toim_TOI

New Indian Express reports that TMC MP has tweeted in favour of Gautam Bhatia (below). But has Bhatia been named in the FIR for merely advising Chinese companies (as Gokhale alleges) or something further? This remains unclear and Bhatia has yet to make any comment.

"It is UNPRECEDENTED that a lawyer can be named in an FIR for providing legal defence to a client. Every entity is entitled to a legal defence & lawyers cannot be charged no matter what the accusations against their client company are. Delhi Police has clearly filed a frivolous FIR against NewsClick which has no merits and has purely been done out of the vendetta of Modi & Shah. Invoking terror charges has only been done to ensure that the journalists stay in jail as long as possible before they get acquitted because the process is the punishment."

https://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/2023/oct/07/newsclick-case-police-fir-names-lawyer-gautam-bhatia-cites-his-legal-defence-for-xiaomi-and-vivo-2621765.html

But in tier 1 law firms it generally said nah that m&a and cap mar lawyer become partner in 8 to 10 years but tax lawyers land up on posts such as sa or pa only after 10 years they become partner after 14 years generally and they get less pay in comparison to m&a or cap Markets I mean Partners from corporate make 1cr but tax lawyers don't reach this kind of numbers in tier 1. Is these things are true ?

Chill, guys. Many people get shortlisted. Even people from Jindal and tier 3 NLUs usually get shortlisted. The real competition starts now: interview prep, tapping alumni networks etc. There are two key things to look out for:

1. Will candidates with woke human rights CVs dominate yet again, or will the committee be open to a candidate unabashedly interested in commercial law?

2. Will NLSIU make a comeback and will its powerful connections/networks bear fruit?

Buddy, sorry to break your ego, but NUJS is not something anyone aspires for except a few Bongs from WB. I can still understand if you said NLS. NUJS is not bad or anything compared to places like NLIU, NLUJ and all, but it’s not a top 3 after NLUD entered. And with domicile and increased batch size, it will probably never be one again.

GNLU and NLUJ have historically had much larger batch sizes than NLUD and so they have more numbers. Same for NALSAR and NUJS. Percentage-wise, we’re way better. And even disregarding all of that, we’re still better than all these places in every other metric except age and this, alumni.

JSA CM does not really aggressively hire freshers, there is one A0 who lateralled from SNG, Delhi and 2 other freshers - one who has her LLM and another who stuck with the firm for 7 months prior to the final offer. Its a lean team with 1 Equity Partner, 1 Salaried Partner, 1 PA, 3 Associates. Thus, not worth the bet. SAM CM Mumbai is a great option but to land an internship at SAM is another misadventure altogether since it usually runs on contacts. By far, given the attrition in Indus CM Mumbai and highest quality (and number) of deals closed across every quarter, it seems to be the most viable option. Avoid Indus Delhi because of the micromanagement and bad culture which has been discussed in many threads thereof. Best of luck!

Gen Z's worldview is shaped by Dhruv Rathee, Greta Thunberg and Taylor Swift. Gold help them when they start running the country!

P.S. Swifties who think Taylor is a gender equality champion, she said this about Camille Belle in a revenge song:

"She's not a saint / And she's not what you think / She's an actress, whoa / She's better known / For the things that she does / On the mattress, whoa."

This mean girl and bully is your gender equality champ!

You kids will mature with age. When I was in college, I used to sympathise with Palestine, as being a leftist and bashing Israel seemed to be the cool thing to do. I later changed my views and now support Israel strongly, because of the following reasons:

1. I have become politically conservative as I have grown older.

2. Israel helped India during our wars with Pakistan and is today one of our major trade partners. It also recognises Kashmir as a part of India. In contrast, Islamic countries often vote against India and support Pakistan at the OIC, and make speeches about Kashmir at the UN. The Palestine Ambassador to Pakistan shared a stage with Hafeeez Saeed some years ago. I don't think it's in national interest for us to choose Palestine over Israel.

3. I read about the history of antisemitism in the Islamic world. How the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem supported Hitler. I also read about the history of antisemitism among leftists and Marxists. Just read about how the Soviets spread hate propaganda about Jews, or what the RAF did in Germany. I view Hamas as an antisemitic and intolerant movement, and I have the same view of many of their supporters in the Left. I also think the Left instinctively hates prosperous and hard-working communities who believe in capitalism.

4. I think radical Islam is a big problem. I support Israel because it is a liberal and modern society, where women are free and gays have rights. I also admire Israel for its scientific progress.

Those who will downvote my comments, trust me: you will change your views as you grow older.

You cannot deny the fact that the British did weed out certain harmful traditions practised in our country (Sati, child marriage etc). They introduced railways, a sound legal system and implemented the downward filtration theory through the Western education system.

This is not to justify their brutality but to paint them as all evil is to belie facts.

What a convenient argument to take. That way Prakash Raj should have been behind bars many years back and there are several similar examples of critics who have been very vocal against the Government but are doing their job to somehow check the Government whilst being here in the country. Even Kunal Kamra has guts to fearlessly communicate his points. Ppl like Dhruv Rathee like to remain relevant and create controversy with minimum risk, max money and try for bigboss.

Another tier-1 nlu makes the cut. Tier-2 nlu students (I don’t wanna bring tier-3 into the comparison for the next 10-15 years) don’t lose hope and retake clat. If not - then be inspired from this achievement. GNLU was a tier-2 nlu once. But their students did it way back in 2019 and prolly this year as well.

I was at Ikigai for a fairly long enough time. I've been at some T1 outfits as well. Anirudh's a good boss, ditto for Nehaa. Sreenidhi too's a great person to work with - saying all from personal experience. I've moved on from the firm to fairly high paying pastures and I'm quite clear in my head that this wouldn't have happened without Ikigai's work scene. Do be clear that it's not a light scene, you will work your ass off, and your back, neck, wrist, head, eyes will hurt. They have demanding clients and work hours are.. exhausting to say the least. But you will come out a better corp lawyer if you stick at it.

Also no, this isn't paid PR/troll etc etc. Lastly, I'm not familiar with anyone anymore at the place personally, but it should be fairly good to work at, if they've not fucked up their work culture by hiring randos from SCAM/Tril/L&L/JSA/AZB.

Yes. Lot of ex-associates are at really good places. You work with T1 clients and will easily get lapped up by their own clients lol. If you are working on the some of the good government/policy work that really helps with LLM applications too. Comparing to T1 law firms, work culture is better , office hours are the same! Don't expect to slack :)

Please Tell Do Tier 1 Tax lawyers are paid less in comparison to M&A or Capital Markets Lawyers from A0 till Senior Partner Level . If Yes Than how much difference is? And Is It good to choose tax instead of M&A or Cap Markets I mean is it safe for future upcoming lawyers nah ?

It's honestly not just about zeal and energy, I know very weird people make partner. It's mostly about connections not only with the senior partners and the boss, but with clients, like able to get lot of pp in your mouth types zeal.

Also the CS point no, people with high CTC are making very less in hand and 95% people make 3LPA at TCS who btw is on hiring freeze. Please just do what you like.

Hi. I recently quit from my position of Associate in the general corporate team of a boutique law firm.Before this, I had worked in 1.6 year in corporate and 2 years in litigation. I quit because the environment was very toxic and the work was also not that qualitative. I had no offer at that time in my hand but I started preparing for the quit before the actual quit. So I used to apply every day on naukri and LinkedIn which gave me visibility and recruiters started noticing me. After my exit, there were 6 interviews lined up before me and I used to tell them that I am serving my notice period and can join immediately. You can do this process for 3 months but after that I don't think you can use this excuse. Finally one of interview worked, and I again landed in house. So it took around 1 month to me but can't say for other's. All the best. Just believe you are not alone in this process.

All the very best. I hope your next post will be regarding your selection. With law you will always have edge over your peer. One of my friend cleared it in one go and every year improve his rank. Just don't listen to all those noises of people who could not clear this exam..Stay positive and Stay with positive..

so you are hinting that criticism of the ruling party is the only way of publication? Please tell me how any law firm digest is anyway criticising the govt? They analyse facts and people pay to read? Basic academic publication. Perhaps, critiquing the govt would yield more profits from 1. opposition 2. backhanded payments from the rulers to shut up. I know quite a few who are guilty of the same, mainstream journalists so to say.

As for your weird 90s India assumptions "bureaucrats are resistant to outside experts and our ministers are uneducated people who can barely read." would request you to check the qualifications of our ministers and lateral secretaries in the government. `Also perhaps the kind of "public policy" work CAM does.

Thirdly your conclusions based on "NLU" leadership is quite misleading. These NLUs have crowded several senior partners at the "Lala law firms" who disprove your point vehemently.

As for funding, I literally dont see you criticising foreign funding of the "non ruling" parties. the FEMA violations etc.

I am not from GNLU, but I will be very happy if GNLU wins instead of NLSIU. I have no qualms that NLSIU dominated Rhodes until the mid-2000s, as it was the only NLU. But domination extending till 2013/2014 was unfair, unwarranted and the result of alumni bias and lobbying. More deserving grads from other NLUs were excluded. This monopoly was put to an end by certain officials from Oxford, including then Rhodes House warden Charles Conn (who visited India in 2014 and looked into the matter). Since then, selection has been strictly on merit and we have seen the result.

I partially agree with you with regard to Rahul sir health. His health has been like this for many years and that is one of the most prominent reason why the coaching takes 2 years to complete..But with regards to notes, it is one of the best. I still sometime refer it to in case of any doubt. Notes padkar bht bacho ne nikala hai.

Hey I am a corporate lawyer, I have seen very few people have the zeal and the energy to make it to partner. Each and every day I feel I should have taken CS at an engineering college because even if you are from some random ass college you end making good money and having great work life balance.

Statements supporting Israel so far: USA, EU, UK, Japan, Canada, Australia, Ukraine, India, Nepal, Taiwan, Argentina

Statements supporting Palestine so far: Qatar, Syria, Pakistan, Iran, Yemen, Jordan, new Maldives President-elect.

Ostensibly neutral statements with pro-Palestine tilt: Russia, China, Saudi Arabia,

Smirking in the background: Turkey (trying to play mediator and delighted that world will now forget ethnic cleansing of Armenians)

Damn man everytime I come on this site and think a comment can't get any dumber people like you come and prove me wrong.

If you really "don't see" what she has done or achieved then brother, it's about time you stop jerking off to law books and wipe that partner's jizz off your eyes to read about the things that have been going on in Iran.

Read up why she is constantly jailed and read about this word called oppression, it will make you help "see" it

Goddamn idiot compared a pig who got in for a scam to an activist who has been constantly criticizing the regime and fighting for women's right all her life despite all the odds against her

If money is a factor, then start doing something with your degree. After you have accepted an opportunity, then look for good opportunities in the sector only. Maybe trying your hands in govt exams. However, if you are getting an alternative opportunity in other sector, then I will give thumbs up to shifting to that career. Though, also look into the long term prospects of accepting any opportunity in other sector.

Yes, legal industry is extremely harsh and in times like now where things have become more uncertain, you would be better off choosing a career where you can balance money and health. Unfortunately, legal profession mostly let us down on both the aspects. And it's becoming worse day by day.

Discussion on LI, reflect how significant number of people are dissatified in this profession. And how unaffected and indifferent the industry and its regulators are to bring any positive change for motivating new entrants to join and continue in this profession.

Hello,

I am a fourth year law student with most of my previous internships revolving around IBC, Commercial and Indirect Tax Litigation in boutique law firms, counsel offices and one T1 Tax firm.

I would like insights on the folllowing:

1. Should I look to convert my Internships to Placements in Counsel offices or Law firms?

2. Law firms and Counsel Offices In MUMBAI for the same, with Potential for getting placed (No hiring freeze etc).

3. NOT related to the title of the post, But are we allowed to mention on our resumes the names of the cases we worked on, esp. if its prominent?

Vidhi think tank and its leanings are discussed here every couple of weeks while hundreds of others aren’t because their leanings are in perfect line with the demographics of this site. My advice, stop cribbing about the one exists for the other side and start contributing to yours if you’re so worried.

on the flip

1. Due to attrition, more chances of PPOs

2. Less firms means maximal profits at them, chance to learn from the gods of the practice and work for a long while.

3. Lateraling to magic circle, Singapore or biglaw is exponentially easier

4. High fixed salary component, high partner pay

5. Highs and lows, no work during lows and hence free time during those weeks

easy, it is respected in usa because you have to sell your soul to become a lawyer, and not many people want to sell their souls to get a profession there so less people opt for it, but in india job opportunities are much lesser, so there is an over population of lawyers so you end up selling your soul plus less cash, at least in usa you sold your soul but stable income

This is the only list you need to follow-

1. NLSIU (the leader of all time)

2. NALSAR (great crowd and alumni)

3. NUJS (terrific placements)

4. NLUD (lackluster placements)

5. NLUJ (no domicile, good placements)

6. GNLU (huge batch, good placements)

7. NLIU (lots of domicile, good placements)

8. HNLU (solid alumni base, above average placements)

9. NLUO (growing fast, above average placements)

10. NUALS (good crowd, average placements)

Go to RGNUL/MNLU-M only if you are desperate for the NLU tag and you are confident of working hard.

Please avoid any NLUs after this (especially RMLNLU, they have horrible placements. 2023 batch just saw 6-7 law firm placements in a mass hiring year). Better go for JGLS/Symbi Pune/GLC after the top 10