yes, Argus and IndusLaw both are 16l which makes it a better paymaster than KCO. However, there have been multiple townhall meetings of KCO (Mumbai) where a proposed fee model has been in the talks - this could mean a higher A0 pay and revised bands across levels, if the implementation goes through.

There will be a major difference in terms of appearance though, so the two situations may not be comparable. As in, I detest prejudice of all kinds and see no reason why a professional cannot simply be judged on the basis of their work, but sadly, people sharing such thoughts are still in the minority in this profession.

Hello everyone! I am a final year student and I have an interview lined up (through law school placement drive) with the Disputes team of a firm based in Mumbai.

I was hoping to get some advice on how to prepare for the interview. For starters, I'm reading up on everything that I've mentioned on my CV. What else should I do?

Thank you!

I keep saying this and no one listens - FTA will allow UK lawyers to set up shop in India and practice UK law, this was already allowed, but now it will be in writing. UK law firms want to set up in India to practice Indian law as well (like what PwC does in practice), however, it will not happen.

i am a penultimate year law student from onbe of the top NLU's in India . I am a transgender woman and i am really paranoid about my employment . I have been told that i have to cut my hair short and present as a man if i want to work in corporate by well meaning seniors . I am really paranoid about the whole situation and would be highly grateful if some good people at management level could throw some light on it if theyre seeing it . Please be reasonable , civil and considerate while you engage in a discusiion , have a great day ahead .

Dear all,

Here is a list of confirmed salaries for the batch of 2023 -

Trilegal (delhi and mumbai) - 19.5Kco. (Mumbai) - 15.6

CAM (delhi and mumbai)- 16

Saraf (delhi and mumbai)- 16

Luthra (mumbai)- 16

Argus (mumbai) - 16

ICUL (mumbai) - 17.5

Indus (mumbai) - 16

TT&A (mumbai)- 16.5

Anagram (delhi) - 17

AZB (mumbai) - 17.5

SAM (mumbai) - 15

NDA (mumbai) - 16

S&R (mumbai) - 18

Regstreet (mumbai) - 9

While I share the same disdain with these firms particularly for their extremely unethical practiced as I addressed separately to the HR, the actions you have mentioned are not relevant to this, and are commonplace in the management of all law firms, companies government departments worldwide. Once they begin to get some semblance of power, their immediate reaction is to put others and their own employees down with impunity and the incompetent police is also to blame for everything happening to the worst and then being covered by media, when a lot could be prevented earlier.

I think we should focus on the individual depravity of this firm, in the way it creates a holocaust for its associates to be gassed everyday. In the worst times during covid, the management displayed extreme apathy and ruthlessness. Their work drafts are very questionable and any corporate institution needing their work done will not approach this firm unless there is something underhand to be done. Most people in the fraternity denote it in that light after the raids . Their partners have copied off drafts from sister firms and created legal opinions. Just read THE Memo. They created a marriage alliance with a client and even created a whole building doing work exclusive to that client. They are so desperate for clients at all levels in most practices.

Also in hiring practices, they create a mirage of meritocracy by selecting the creamier cream of the top NLUs but then offer PPOs to the sons and daughters of the surnames we hear everyday, mostly aligned with the present ruling dispensation. They have literally told the last batch interns that they need not expect PPOs, at the END of their internship tenures and sent them off with a 10k excuse of a fair pay.

So this Dussehra, dear students, beware of such firms. They play with your emotions with glamour and fabulous marketing and then make you wage slaves behind a surname that only the daddy deserved and the kids have ripped apart. Read between the lines. When you intern, look at how they treat their associates, clerks etc. Read those nationwide emails sent. See the language. Is 14.4 lpa worth it for that? You are a batch topper! You can join much better firms with much better pay.

Regards and Dussehra wishes,

Lawfirm anonymous.

This comment makes no allegation nor refers to any specific corporate body or law firm. Any such references are purely fictional (like your sanity after working here.)

Newly minted EP with a growing book. Good prospects of growth, but the team operates like headless chickens currently, very disorganised. Might improve in the next few years. Lots of grunt work, lots of residual work coming in from other EPs. DA can be often seen mumbling about some Gurgaon EPs so his relationship is strained with some folks but otherwise very good.

I'm not sure if it's a freeze but my own experience+ anecdotes from friends tell me that CAM, KCo and Saraf in Delhi have slowed down on attrition and hiring has been higher than usual for past 2-3 years for most firms, so now there isn't enough need to hire except for 1-2 places in one team. Most firms are mostly looking for experienced laterals and not A0s

My God, this is why people ask you all to study. You lack basic comprehension. Let's spell it out for you slowly. According to the original comment, T1 firms used to hire from T1 NLUs almost exclusively 'until' 7 years ago. This means that people who had been hired even 10-15 years ago were from T1 NLUs. They are the ones who are the partners currently. Honestly, how do you go through law school without learning how to read and comprehend logically?

Graduated last year from a decent semi-govt university, and I'm having a tough time choosing my career path. In the past year, tried different things - freelanced, worked at a T3 law firm (which I didn't like, so left after 6 months), and started my own legal venture with two friends. It's going okay, making what I was at the law firm, but I'm unsure about my growth potential - figuring out everything on my own.

I'm considering trying litigation (have very little experience) and leaving the venture, but as a first-generation, I'm not sure if it's feasible. I definitely don't want to return to a desk job at a law firm, and then, there's the issue of gap in my CV.

My peers have settled into their career paths, and I'm still figuring out if I should stick with my venture or go for the litigation. Any advice or shared experiences would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

As a former mooter and current moot judge I would offer the following:

1. Read your memorials well. Some if not most judges have looked at them beforehand so you need to be on top of your argument.

2. Make eye contact with the judges - if there is more than one, keep switching. Observe our reactions closely - most of us are not pokerfaces and you will be able to tell if we're bored or find your argument interesting.

3. Elocute, don't read. If you merely read out your memorial it reflects rather poorly - why have an oral round then? You should have the outline of your argument in your head and only refer to the memorial or notes for support (say, a citation). It helps if you draw judges' attention to specific paragraphs or parts of the memorial - it shows us that you know your submissions.

4. Don't get flustered when you're asked questions. Practice with a friend beforehand on this. If you need a moment, ask for permission and take one - we won't pounce.

5. If you're doing a rebuttal or sur-rebuttal you need to engage with the opposite side's argument and provide a convincing response. Focus on the parts of the memorial they bring up during their oral arguments.

1) Look at everything from the firm's perspective wrt client management and deliverable execution

2) Although T1 law firms are lala setups where your attire/smell/bags/watches will be things which your peers, partners and clients will judge you for; be modest with your expenditure in your first 3 years but remember to look sharp and not shabby or loud.

3) Function like a team, help your peers out with bulky assignments, seek feedbacks and most importantly make sure the client and reporting partners notice your contribution during meetings - all of this will be factored during promotions.

4) Remember that not all your team members can be trusted as colleagues, simply stay away from office politics, bitching about people and opening up about personal details since you never know what goes against you in any given moment. In this regard, avoid too many smoke breaks and don't find an excuse to abuse alocohol in your system during team/deal closing dinners.

5) Lastly, do not ever get too close to an intern; if you know what I mean.

Just keep one thing in mind - no one besides you will care about your watch and its value. It is unlikely that most people will pay attention. If that is OK with you, I wholeheartedly recommend it.

I would also suggest purchasing a watch abroad to get some savings, and also considering purchasing a second hand one. A used Speedmaster Pro in Japan will not cost you more than 2-3l, depending on the quality.

If your biggest motivation is clout, would suggest you splurge it on a Rolex. That will get eyeballs. If you care about quality, would highly recommend a Grand Seiko in that budget.

How does SILF have so much clout? Who in the government is batting for SILF even after the BCI notification allowing foreign law firms? Are Cyril and Gautam Adani lobbying against it?

https://www.business-standard.com/amp/india-news/india-uk-free-trade-deal-unlikely-to-finalise-by-month-end-report-123101801115_1.html

If you were trying to troll T1 NLUs, you have failed miserably. However, if your comment was serious, it does not make any sense. You said that law are beginning to rot with incompetent partners who are hiring through contacts.. wasn't this the case for T1 NLUs also? That their partners were hiring from their alma mater. And how can you say people who are not from T1 NLUs are not deserving. At least people from lower NLUs work hard to get things for them, unlike you entitled class who want things of silver platter just because you are from a certain college.

It is you who can't compete with them due to your high headedness and then you blame the system.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/markets/sebi-empanels-12-entities-to-provide-digital-forensic-services-11586861.html

The demand for NFSU students (for internships) and graduates (PPOs and Jobs) is growing exponentially.

As someone from NLUD, we get a lot of hate as well. And we’re a tier-1 by all accounts so don’t worry about. Most hate is just by insecure folks from older NLUs who can’t stand competition. Shutting them up is quite easy if you show the achievements but there is a tendency to spread misinformation. And the numbers are not bad for a tier-2 NLU, with the right leadership, MNLU could be the next GNLU (or even better), but that needs constant government support which doesn’t seem forthcoming in the short-term.

Hi CAM HR, I love how you never help associates or interns when they need help, but are quick to defend your super unethical and toxic culture here so shamelessly. Also the shameless mods who are sucking upto CAM PR and marking threads and comments as trollish when they really are the literal truth and can be authenticated via linkedin.

ECM is a purely diligence based practice my friend, just don't screw up your work whenever told what to do and be proficient with Excel since the life of an ECM guy revolves around Excel and taking comments from the BRLMs. Having said that, I have heard that the Mumbai office bleeds talent every 6 months because of the pressure and work culture (primarily because they hire kids with no prior experience) so I guess its your best bet!

1. You cannot work smart. - The syllabus for most of the courses is never fixed as the professors themselves are clueless as to what they have taught and how much they can possibly cover in the class. So, you must read textbooks (any) thoroughly and religiously. If someone says doing certain notes or PPTs will help you do good, then their definition of good is scoring 35-40 over 50. If you want to score over 40, you must work like a donkey.

2. Practice Past Year Qs. - Some of my friends, even though well-versed in law, were not able to do well in exams because they did not attempt answer writing till they were in the exam hall. This is the gravest blunder you can possibly make.

3. Align your ideology with the professor's - Certain profs are known to scoff at answers with any hint of ideology not subscribed by them. Some of them are known to fail students on these grounds. I know for a fact a person scored 3/25 because he mentioned Chanakya in the political theory exam.

If T1 firm, then can do slightly better, should have been around 24 (you are close only so no big deal)

If not T1, then hella good pay!

Anyways, if your job allows you to have your own time and if you like the job too, then its the most you can get. The extra 2 lacs wont be worth it, trust me.

My advice is to leave them to work it out if it is interpersonal and not health or finance. My parents had marriage issues when I was a little younger than you. I made the mistake of letting them involve me and lost grades, opportunities but most importantly the freedom and fun of the younger years. They may be your family but you are not a part of their marriage. It's hard but focus on taking care of yourself through this. They are the ones who have to live with each other. Let them figure out how or not. Absolutely do not sacrifice your career to this. Move to another city if that will help.

I'll also say what I wish I could tell my younger self. Do not talk to them every time one of them is angry or upset. Do it at a fixed time on a fixed day. Be firm about not discussing things that distress you and should not be your problem as their child. You are not their friend or sibling. They should not be dumping this on you. You may have to block or mute texts and draw other lines that are really hard but it will help you move your attention away from this. Try to see a counsellor and to do other things that will support you through the grief of what might happen. Above everything. This is not your fault. You are not responsible for any part of it. You are just standing in an earthquake so you need to find shelter not try to stop it from happening.

The only exception is if it is physical violence and the parent suffering doesn't have the financial capacity to exit the situation. But even that, they will need to decide to exit before you can help them. All you can do is offer to take care of them after they decide.

Totally possible! But for law and medicine you have different transfer windows and the GPA accepted is significantly higher for both of these courses. So make sure you fulfil the eligibility and criteria. As of now NLS does have a basic MOU with NUS. So if you are from there, I guess it MAY work. All the best!

https://www.nus.edu.sg/oam/apply-to-nus/transfer-applicants

Dude, I don’t want to remain in the “salaried class” mentality bracket forever. I didn’t go to a Tier 1 NLU, and get a day zero PPO at a Tier 1 law firm in order to stay middle class. My parents were middle class, I am unapologetic about my ambitions. That also means living the life you want to live, not scrimping and saving every rupee. I never compromise on my wardrobe, the neighbourhood/society I rent in, the places I dine out at, and the holidays I take. Even if it means I have lower savings, I live the life I want to manifest.

Now I’ve been saving up for a good watch for 15-18 months. If that means 6L for an Omega, it is what it is. In any case, these watches are also investments that appreciate in value. Plus the added bragging rights, and the respect it’ll attract from seniors and clients.

I am desperately looking for remote and long-term paid work opportunities to sustain living expenses while at a law school. I have proven writing, research, and organisational skills. I have resorted to posting here since I could not find much on other platforms.

I can provide further credentials if you ping me at - lawworkopp@proton.me

I am open to Research Assistantships, Ghostwriting, and long-term internships.

PS - I don't indulge in substances, so my motivation is merely sustenance, financing internship expenses, and travelling for moots.

I am from MNLU Mumbai. No clue why we get so much hate but ok. In 2023 25 people got a job at T1 and T2 out of a batch of 58. 2024 batch has 120 students and 10 have already secured PPOs, some are doing their call back internships. The current PPOs range from 10 LPA to 22 LPA. do let me know if you need more information.

Bhukmari se kaise ladenge, Olympics host karke.

Sabka Vikas kaise karenge, Vande Bharat chala ke.

Kisaano ki income double kaise karenge, Cities mai unlimited funds infuse karke.

HDI kaise improve karenge, health aur education ko business oriented bana ke.

Wah yaaro, aap sabne bhi khoob contribute kiya hai venue decide karne ki charcha par.

Aap sab hi toh iss badlav ke mukhya wajah hai.

Jai Hind.

If law firms only used to hire from T1 NLUs 7 years back and now they teem with incompetent partners, then are you saying that those T1 recruits turned out to be incompetent? You don't do anything in law school and then you blame everyone else for you not getting the job. Life is gonna get harder for you, bro.