Which NLU? Bro firms take bunch of people in the 4rth year from college in tier 1s, just wait for that, the process is very streamlined and there's more chances that way in getting a job than with personal applications where you won't get help from the college tag. Just apply via college everywhere, internal HR processes are very favourable and different for personal applications and college based applications.

I hope you get in but don't put too much hope. In it, the process is very opaque and from what I am aware it's just window dressing for Children of well connected people to gain some work ex before they apply for Foreign Universities,

2 of my batchmates are YPs one in Invest India another in Law ministry (one is son of a senior bureaucrat and other is nephew of an MP)

You touch upon a very important point. State institutions (like NLUs) are always at the mercy of the respective state governments. The best of NLUs are behind them. We will now see the emergence of national universities and institutions teaching law - it is already happening even as we discuss it. NLUs suffer from inefficient administration, domicile and reservation creep, inadequate funding, lack of research culture, steep increases in fees, appalling student attitudes, indifferent state governments, large batch sizes with no commensurate increase in infrastructure, and revolving VCs, among many other things. They haven't even been able to create their unique value propositions. 'Affordable private college' is an oxymoron (see how much BITS Law and IIULER charge). The role of private colleges will continue to remain insignificant (as it is today).

Much ado about nothing.

You want Judiciary to be called public service but in the same sense, government service is public service, government employees are called public servant not Govt servant, Govt companies are called Public sector Undertaking not Govt. sector Undertaking.

Also it is not distinct from our constitution that judicial pillar and executive pillar are very distinct, as per constitution higher judiciary is to be appointed by head of executive which in turn appoints Lower judiciary.

Government has 3 parts Legislative, executive and Judiciary.

Do you also want those working in Assemblies and Parliament to be referred as legislative service?

I hope you understood my point, if not, all I have to say is, you look like some who is looking for a reason to outrage.

So, I've emailed a bunch of T1 firms for internship (4 months in advance). I'm from a T1 NLU, have a good SoP and CV and the email is polite and everything. I haven't heard back from them yet (been a week, understandable, due to Diwali holidays).

I was wondering how to go about it. Some classmates got lucky when they did this previously but wanted a larger opinion. Should I follow up on email for a bit? Or do I ring up the HR? What is the timeline for all this? Any positive stories would really help lol, thank you.

For god’s sake stop asking this question again and again. Use your brains. Let people explore their interests. The practice area is booming and actively hiring laterals throughout the year so can you really blame the people for wanting to try it out? The law is clear and not everyone minds doing that kind of work or “clerical work” as you would term it. And I’d say this for every practice area that exists, stop judging people for choosing something that you may dislike and instead focus on finding your thing.

Graduating Batch'23, 3 Year LLB from JGLS, Do not go to Jindal, if you do not have contacts or that one uncle who knows people in the legal world. 70% of my batch mates got their own internships, (the ones they provide are abysmal usually NGOs, Content writing or small advocates ) PPOs were non-existent if you are not at least a 7.5/8. Very few companies came on Zero Day and even if they do come there is no guarantee that you are gonna be selected; 40 students compete for 4 positions except when it is mass recruitment like CAM or SAM. I'd say one thing though, if you have money take a drop and try for NLUs or better try some other decent law college like SLS or maybe as you still have time go for Tier 3 NLUs.

Hi, we've been seeing increased domicile reservations across NLUs, coupled with EWS and more OBC quotas everywhere. This has reduced All India General seats to as low as 10-15 in some NLUs and the future looks bleak where more NLUs will be forced to adhere to all the reservations.

Will this mean future law students shifting to private institutes like Jindal and Symbiosis owing to lack of seats in top NLUs? Also, will that lead to a rise in stature of these private institutes, making them bigger placement hubs than NLUs? More importantly, will it also lead to setting up of more good quality and affordable private law colleges?

@JSA EP Sir/Madam:-

Sir 2020 Grad (B.com then L.LB), Tried my hand in litigation (PQE 2) , really frustrated. Non-nlu , trying to break into corporate law firm (Gen corp field)

Any tips ? Suggestions ? Should I persist or switch career ? Is my goal feasible ? Will firms take us ?

Quite funny that you claim that this person's sources are hearsay and presumptuous when you yourself have been implying that you aren't from JGLS. How are you supposed to know what teaching at JGLS is like? Also didn't you just claim above that the few good profs have claimed to be depressed based on something you heard or read somewhere? Hmm, sounds like hearsay....

Also this person did not avoid the issue and jump into standard of living, you brought it up yourself buddy.

IndusLaw, C/SAM and S&R (Capital Markets teams*) usually have very few internship slots and only open doors to the best CVs from top tier colleges. However, having any investment banker (know of a NALSAR guy who interned at SAM, Indus, Bharucha and DSK in his third year solely though contacts) as a reference would help you get in.

It is evident from our constitution that the judicial pillar and the executive pillar of our democracy are very distinct and different and as far as I understand government jobs are those that come directly or indirectly under the executive pillar of our democracy. So, why the heck do people call state judicial service a govt service? We can say it is public service, and that's fine.

P. S - When we call the judicial service a govt service, I feel we're not acknowledging the basic structure of our constitution that the judiciary is an independent pillar of our democracy. So, from now on please call it public service or simply, judicial service.

Same trajectory.

B.com and then LLB. Only difference is that I have 2 years PQE in litigation and graduate batch of 2020 and hence I am 2 years elder to you.

Internships application being rejected, no one is replying to messages on Linkedin or email.

Thanks to legallyindia, even anonymous responses on threads helps to maintain mental balance. I would have been WAYY more stressed had there been no legallyindia.

Anyway, if you are looking for friends similary situated and help each other, pls shoot mail - seriouspen@mail.com

Do you have an internship with S&R?

Did you work well and we're generally available?

Did you do your term sheet well?

Was your presentation well? Were you able to answer questions by partners and grilling?

Are you in the end of third/ fourth year?

If all this is in the affirmative from yours as well as the Partner buddy side, you join S&R

Hi, I just applied for the post of YP at CBDT. It is a research-based post. If I get it what sort of prospects are there for me in the future if I get the post that is? I am just a fresh graduate and am unable to find a job, so I thought it would be better to do something rather than nothing.

Notification: https://incometaxindia.gov.in/news/vacancy-circular-for-engagement-of-young-professionals-by-directorate-of-lr.pdf

Thanks, Bye :)

Please elaborate on the work culture, pay, and capital markets practice and team of the firm.

In addition to that, I've seen S&R hiring and giving PPOs to tier 2-3 nlus and private law school kids. Kids with 3-4 legal internships on their CVs with minimal knowledge of capital markets practice as well as zero internships in this area getting PPOs offered by S&R (capital markets team), how is this possible? Is the firm lowering its standards. If not then, please show me the way to achieve this. What exactly is criteria to get into capital markets team of the firm? I'm confused. And also, Is it worth it?

What an irresponsible, sweeping statement. I hope that you aren't a woman, because, even in the annals of LI, there are voices screaming that not all women are like this. Please read-

https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/296064-not-all-feminists-are-snowflakes

This is actually an underrated advise. Keep your ego aside and rent for as long as or maybe forever in Mumbai. You can buy a fortune in other decent cities in terms of real estate at the cost you get garden size room in Mumbai. Earn in Mumbai and invest outside it for real estate (which imo is as solid an investment as any all things considered). Eventually move out of Mumbai even for practices like Banking you'll always have an in house opening at higher mid levels of your careers. And enjoy.

Abe chomu, these "Lala firm owners" have disproportionate wealth and disproportionate influence compared to any other country with law firm owners, especially Cyril and his family relations with Adani. Pajeets think they'll impress someone by citing the example of such billionaire whiz kid born and brought in NYC jab khud Lala firm mai SA nahi ban pa rahe.

I would say GLC does not have academic rigour like the NLUs but I think they fairly do well at work with what I have seen since they have been interning continuously from Sem-1. They also have a good alumni base and PC for it. Now NMIMS ain't some pretty nice college, but the only benefit they have now are updated course outlines and the location. 70% of the batch is messed up, but a few good kids doing well even in alumni batches only because of their constant exposure and internships. GLC is better than NMIMS eod because of their internships and opportunities, but won't say they are the best either. Have seen ppl fuckin up moots with half-baked knowledge and prep.

I still remember how some T3 NLU kids messed up stuff in my old internship place. It was so pathetic did not even know the basics. So ig burns down to the individual too.

I interned with the Corporate Legal Group of a leading private sector bank in Mumbai and worked very closely with the AVP-Legal and the General Counsel-Legal. Since they solely deal with the panel of legal advisors for consortium mandates pertaining to project finance, general banking and IBC (if any); I overheard the GC telling every team member to never keep S&P in any mandate and to always cross check their previous drafts with another firm (which follows the 8% bill share model) since the quality of advice is poor and not upto the mark. A lot of the mandates went to CAM and a topheavy boutique law firm called SNG & Partners. I think this sums your "T1 in Banking" from a Bank's POV.

As far as I am aware:

TT&A ; KCO: They don't have a dedicated FRP dept.

JC and ELP: What's the exact salary? ELP is definitely a good option. But now that they don't have SEBI briefs. How is the work there now?
Never saw JC people in SAT

K-Ashar and Regstreet: great firms ofc. But Reg doesnt pay a lot. What's with Kashar?

For Mumbai and Bangalore and not so much as for Delhi. As a North Indian I prefer my parents stay in home town and I keep investing property in hometow. Rental incomes are bound to increase in NCR and areas around so keep buying land there and keep renting in Mumbai. Eventually move out of Mumbai or even if you stay survive with smaller houses (not to be confused with shit standard

Try emailing senior members of in house legal teams. They might be helpful. I think in house is easier to enter into so.

Also try cold emailing law firm partners although law firms are a bit difficult to enter, you might get lucky with in house people.

If you have nothing available then atleast try to intern in corporate teams of T2/T3 law firms, that ain't something too difficult to get to be honest. Apply and persistently follow up by calling the office or emailing them, things will open up for you if you are persistent enough. It will take time but it's not impossible. Just don't give up and keep trying, keep applying and keep reaching out to people via cold emails and linkedin messages even if it seems pointless and hopeless.

Question should be who is more powerful the 1 % of top lawyers and MDs of law firms, vs IAS that is more even playing ground, because IAS is one or even 2 steps above in the hierarchy, however top lawyers are 2 steps above ias, unless ias has made connections, then ias will be in same level of top lawyers

Sorry to hear about your ordeal, things will get better with sufficient time even if they seem bleak now. Do you think you would enjoy the legal profession? There are also lots of other careers you could enter into that are interesting and challenging, and for which a law degree would have prepared you well.

Very short in Capital Markets. May be just a few people.

3-4 Partners only in litigation. So difficult to put it in any tier. May be the focus is to support the corporate teams only.

T1 in Banking / General Corporate.

It is a good firm but lacks capacity in a number of practice areas.