I was asked to brief him back in the 2015 when I was a junior at M/s Crawford Bayley, Mumbai (& did not really grasp the proposition since it was a 200 pager technical factsheet). The man literally sat next to me with his junior & taught me the art of grasping the trickiest of the SEBI orders. SS is an angel with a great sense of humour, bold character & has utmost respect for young lawyers in the game.

Bump.

Updating on this.

Have been interning and have the last few days left, but have not gotten much work, just a few things. I'm really scared now. My mentor ghosts me but talks to all his female interns willingly even now. He also took them out somewhere.

What tf do I do. I have no hope now.

Hey,

I come from a humble background with no connections whatsoever.

I never went to school, got admission to a local school with 1 or 2 teachers, and took exams (State board), and somehow made it into a decent law college in a metro city.

Now interning with a lawyer and he pays me enough to sustain myself in a metro city (But I take money from my home also)

Have made some good connections, hopeful to join a good lawyer after I graduate.

I believe it is certainly tough, but not too hard as they say. If you are focused, hardworking, and passionate about it, go ahead. This profession is full of mediocre professionals. You will make your way.

Good luck :)

You're not the norm. Most people with no connections don't get back to back 3 tier 1 internships unless their college is good enough. To get into a very good college, most people require coaching. Barely anyone can do that with no outside help/free google resources. Then registration for clat and hostel fees of these colleges will also have to be paid. After this, she may or may not good internships and she may or may not be able to convert those internships into a job/have a successful day zero.

Thanks!! I was really curious about the firm. On further research and another link on legally india I found out that they don't report it because the deals are really small, so it was not worth reporting. Attaching link if this helps anyone. Just scroll page for anyone to learn about the firm

https://www.legallyindia.com/201408124954/Private-equity-/-VC/ashlar-start-up-of-pxv-s-pingal-souvik-advises-on-series-a-big-data-investment-with-nda-p-c?fbclid=IwAR3zG0N5PmVQkui8pemRqHZaQLLgQ0ZIOnGs7eHqAvBa9ZZIDUijRBrzTUI#comments

Salary is highly negotiable. Depends on your qualification and bargaining ability. A fresher with a foreign LLM can be expected to start at 14 LPA, plus health benefits and accommodation. If you have law firm experience of a couple of years in addition to that, then you can start at 16-18 LPA, along with seed funding for research. This is at an Assistant Professor Level. Only Professors can expect to get 40 LPA and above. But even that is not UGC 3x, since UGC prescribed scale for professors is at present 32 LPA gross. However, JGLS will offer many more perks, including accommodation, health benefits, travel and research funds, much less workload etc. In addition, there are incentives for publication.

Som is an extraordinary lawyer. He somehow got time to balance his life as a busy lawyer, climb mountains, do photography good enough to be featured in collections, quietly do a lot of charity including financing and mentoring IDIA scholars and only he knows what else. He is very hard working and a fair boss to work under from what I have known.

You cannot read and that's my fault how exactly? I have got nothing to do with NUJS. I even said NLUD would be my second choice at present. I said what everyone in legal academia and industry think of JGLS. I don't really care where you think my loyalties lie. Dispute any fact that I have mentioned.

I never said NFSUs are better than NLUs. Just that the government has been funding those, which is a fact. If you are devoid of logic, then I can't help it. I don't even think that NFSUs are good, but the government priority makes them important in the context of the discussion.

Lmao GLC vacation college? 💀💀

I'm from a t1 nlu but after coming to Mumbai realised the strong hold GLC has on corp, the number of partners, the quality of associates. Everything seems top notch.

and on litigation it literally is unbeatable kabhi jakar dekho Bombay HC.

Play dumb. Give two or three exams while working. Without preparing, you'll obviously fail. Show them that you're not meant for judiciary. It's too tough for you. I did the same for UPSC. Did not leave job. Gave two attempts and failed prelims. Told parents, acting all sad, they said no problem atleast you have a job. Moreover judiciary exams happen once in few years.

Hang in there.

Not being a dick but being a student myself having not experienced this I have no real input here, maybe others in a similar situation help?

even I had shitty faculty, never relied on them. But I was lucky enough to get good seniors and liberal attendance.

Not a good comparison. IIMA was just a few months younger than IIMC and both admitted their first batches in the exact same year (1964). GNLU may overtake NUJS but that’s mostly because NUJS admin shot themselves in the foot rather than GNLU actually being so much better. And I’m not from NUJS, but until recently when NUJS increased its batch size, NUJS was considered hands down better than GNLU.

Four things that can get law firms dismantle toxicity blemish often accorded to them:

1) Keep working hours in the bracket of 48-58 hours a week. If there is more work than this, hire new people. You may go with a policy of not frequently increasing the pay or bonus for existing retainers. They may still be happy with less pay but certainly won't with high stress.

2) Demolish the hierarchical structure. While many do understand that there should be a structure for accounting and reliability, a simple step of avoiding Sir/Ma'am titles would go a long way in increasing team spirit and accommodation. Some firms may be following this principle but junior associates and interns are excluded from this bracket.

3) Partners need to acknowledge the good work done by their subordinates. Deliverables are often met with new tasks without receiving any positive or constructive feedback for the efforts put in the previous work.

4) And lastly, be ethical and realistic. Provide coordinated training to the new joinees and not just pass on to them the work as a means to learn by committing mistake. For every mistake they commit, they are humiliated in office or courts strangulating any desire to learn. Be compassionate and considerate of an associate's personal space.

Law firms can regain the glory that they enjoyed post liberalisation. Otherwise, it is only these reasons that would increase the attrition rates to new highs.

I have said this before and will say it again: GNLU will overtake NUJS just as IIMA overtook IIMC despite being younger. I would argue that it has happened already. By 2027 you can firmly lock in Bengaluru, Hyderabad, Delhi and Gandhinagar as the Big 4 T1 NLUs. Govt backing matters. Modi matters. Adani-Ambani-Cyril maters. Mamata also matters (negatively, for NUJS).

Have no connections or anything, got 3 internships back to back in Tier 1 firms and still in my 3rd year. My parents are from teaching background so they cant help in anything and our family overall is very average in every way. The way I did this, keep your head low and keep on working. Live thoda delusional, that helps achieve many things

My average day at work (keep in mind that SAs and PAs do the bulk of the work, so this might differ for associates).

7:00 AM - wake up and exercise

7:30 AM to 8:30 AM - get ready, reply to emails pertaining to deliverables of the previous night.

9:15 AM - reach office.

9:30 AM (+- 10 minutes) - I start working post drinking my coffee.

2:00 - 2:20 PM - lunch break; then back to work.

5:30 - 5:45 PM - second coffee break, socialise with colleagues from other teams.

9:00 PM - (mostly virtual) meeting with my partner and PA, status update, plan of action for tomorrow.

9:30 PM - 9:45 PM - pack up, leave.

10:30 PM - reach home, eat dinner

11 PM to 1 AM (2 am on a particularly busy day) - read up on documents for tomorrow, look at drafts / advisory from previous transactions and make a written note of things to be done tomorrow. Any time I am done with work by 12 PM I generally watch Netflix or go for a walk in my residential society.

Hey Lawyers,

I am a 4th-year law student. I have always been a shy and introverted person all my life. I have been performing well in law school, however, I can't have a simple conversation with seniors at internships without fumbling. My mind stops working while talking and I have no idea what to say next. I have observed my posture also becomes very stiff in such situations. This problem is irrespective of the language I speak but happens always when I converse in English (I speak in fluent English when I am around people I am comfortable with). I also fear public speaking but do it anyway.

I want to fix this problem but don't know where to start. Please share if you had similar experiences in law school and if possible suggest possible solutions to overcome confidence issues.

Just curious. Are there any Senior Advocates in Delhi who recruit freshers, pay their juniors decently and dont just recruit through connections? I don't expect them to really pay on par with Tier 2 or 3 firms (Tier 1 is out of question) but it just seems crazy to me how people can sustain themselves in Delhi with anything less than 35k per month. Not everyone owns property and asking your parents to finance you while you labour for someone else (technically, your parents pay for the labour that the senior should be paying for) is just ridiculous. I get that there is a huge demand-supply gap as far as litigation is concerned but there have to be some SAs who want to beat their competition in terms of remuneration.

One can do anything he wants. However, the legal profession has its flaws

There is an entry barrier for the underprivileged and it starts with an exorbitant registration fee for various exams (don't get me started on coaching classes). Another problem that you will face while in law school and beyond is the lack of a network (very important in the legal field) which many of your batch would have inherited through their lawyer/rich parents.

Moreover, it takes a hell lot of money to do internships (that people start doing from 1st year) if you don't live in Delhi, Bombay, etc. and the sad part is that you won't get a penny out of them. You will be expected to work for free or will be given very little numeration in the initial years if you opt for litigation. On the other hand, in corporate, you will paid a handsome amount but will have no work-life balance.

These challenges are surmountable (or tolerable) but it's better to know the truth about a profession before entering into it. I didn't know about these hurdles when I joined the field but even if I had known I would have still chosen law (coz I love it).

All the best!

Hi, do anybody know about work ethic of man ? How does he get time to read (infact how do sr advs get time to read)?

As best of my knowledge he is graduate from GLC, but he has not done any specialization in Securities Law. So how did he become an expert in that domain?

Pls explain

What are these “career-oriented” courses that only GNLU has anyway? And how exactly does that automatically lead to higher placements or whatnot? Honestly, I respect GNLU’s rise over the past few years and it’s quite commendable, but in nearly every metric from foreign jobs to faculty to international moot wins, NLUD is well ahead.

Been seeing posts about JGLS faculty pay recently. How much does JGLS actually pay? Can anyone give an idea? Is it 3X UGC? ₹40 lakh per year? What about bonuses and other benefits?

How does it compare to other private law schools like the new BITS Law School? They are also recruiting faculty with foreign qualifications.

I am going through the same thing as you at home. I'm still in my 3rd year of BALLB, but my relatives keep pestering my parents more than me to think about making judiciary my career, as if it's so easy to dream about becoming something you've never hoped to. Every time I sit and talk with my parents, they act like they understand me and leave the topic for some time, only to side with my relatives when they bring it up in front of me. I really, really, don't know what to do about it.

For any doubt, download Microsoft Bing. Now type Bing chat. And then use ChatGPT 4 in creative mode. It will help you a lot.

For e.g. - Summarise all the 2023 updates in the IBC rules and also mention important related cases. Categorise them according to functional area.

Also, for any doubts, directly thinking of it as an assistant ask it queries. For e.g. - can you tell me the best guide in 2023 to understand all aspects of IBC?

But the point to remember is - ask GPT4 in Bing. It is the new version and connected to Internet.

I asked this and the reply was - Sure, I can help you with that. There are some books that you can read to quickly understand all aspects of the insolvency and bankruptcy code in India. Here are some of them:

- INSOLVENCY AND BANKRUPTCY CODE 2023 EDITION IN 2 VOLUMES by SHWETA BHARTI¹. This book contains the updated text of the IBC with rules, regulations and guidelines. It also covers the jurisprudence on the IBC and provides case studies and practical insights.

- Taxmann's Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code with Rules and Regulations by Taxmann². This book contains the amended, updated and annotated text of the IBC with 15+ rules and regulations, notifications, RBI directions, etc. It also provides a short commentary on the IBC and the Insolvency and Bankruptcy Code (Amendment) Act, 2021.

- Taxmann's Insolvency and Bankruptcy Law Manual by Taxmann³. This book contains the amended, updated and annotated text of the IBC along with 28+ relevant rules and regulations, 85+ guidelines, notifications, circulars, etc. It also provides a comprehensive guide to the IBC and its related laws and procedures.

- E-Book - Ministry Of Corporate Affairs⁴. This is an online resource that provides the official text of the IBC and its amendments, ordinances and rules. It also provides the latest notifications and circulars issued by the Ministry of Corporate Affairs.

I hope this helps you. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask me. 😊

Source: Conversation with Bing, 12/6/2023

You might agree on this but networking and upskilling is easier in college, whlile you still have time to intern at multiple places, build contacts, do courses,apply at several places and explore certain areas/ However, the same becomes very restrictive when one enters a job. It’s very difficult to network with other firms and companies, take out time to do courses or network or even upskill beyond the monotonous work you are given. How do working professionals network and upskill than, any ideas on that?

This should explain it: https://www.fnlondon.com/articles/linklaters-top-partners-to-take-home-4m-after-lockstep-shake-up-20220914

Apparently, there has been huge disputes between Feroz Dubash and Kunal Thakore. Is it going to be Luthra-Saraf all over again? Dubash plans to take over the Delhi office and rename it to Feroz Dubash & Associates (FDA) while Kunal would rename the Mumbai office to Thakore & Partners.

Just another RW troll who has got no idea about what benefits legal education, but thinks that hosting the Olympics in the same state means that the NLU there is going to do well. Loopholes in statements made:

1. No actual infra or land expansion has happened at NLSIU yet, just increase in student numbers. The 3-Year LLb programme has not really taken off. Chandrachud has not really done anything for the place yet other than appointing a review commission full of people with little idea about Indian legal education.

2. NALSAR has flourished for the last decade under a different government, which was a regional one and did a lot of good things for the state. Congress has not really done anything for the NLUs of any state where it is currently in power, with the exception of NLUD. Last year has seen many good young faculty leave NALSAR for NLS, who have not been replaced. Dhanda's departure as the decision-maker has been a big blow in the academic reputation and standards of the place. SKDR is at best a status quo fellow and nowhere as dynamic as Sudhir or even Faizan.

3. GNLU: Rocking Rhodes? Really? Because they won in this year? Central funds would go to places like NFSU Gujarat that the government is actually propping up in direct competition with state NLUs. GNLU has been getting considerable funds ever since it started. What has it done in research, publications, hiring good faculty in all these years? What's the output? Also, Olympics? How will that help GNLU, will the grads be recruited to vet the sports and construction contracts straight out of the university, or will Justice League winners get an Olympics Medal? They started this new campus far away from the old one and so far it has been a drain on university resources from insider accounts.

4. NLUD: Once again, rocking Rhodes? UPSC is also a non-metric for gauging the quality of a law school, and even there, DU and other local colleges are way ahead on ROI. Placements may be stable, but have not been improving as it should have with alumni getting to be partners. As of now, placement is NLUD's weakest point. It lost many good faculty lately to NLS and one of the main faculty who used to teach Corp and get projects has now gone to NLUJ. Yet, the place has been doing well overall. AAP has not been supporting, but not interfering either. I would have certainly kept it as my number 2 choice along with NALSAR maybe. Perhaps even ahead of NLS because of the location and smaller batch size.

5. NUJS' infra has been declining, TMC interference part is also true. However, courses on criminology and forensic science are hardly rubbish merely because you say so. If anything, the central government too has been focusing on such courses, via the NFSU. NUJS placement is still the best of all NLUs. Faculty are comparable to NALSAR and NLUD (at present after the exodus) and better than NLUJ or GNLU. The place has been getting several research projects lately and based on NIRF and academic data, publishing more than it had been doing before the pandemic. Some faculty are also doing STEM-related collaborative research lately from what I saw, which is a good sign. Infra expansion is also taking place. The biggest weakness here is weak admin and state interference. Student participation which was its biggest strength has now backfired into lowering of academic standards. Still, it remains a firm number 4 behind NALSAR and NLUD, maybe ahead if placements are the only thing that you focus on. Can get worse or better depending on the next VC.

6. NLUJ, nothing much changed other than the new VC, who is competent from all accounts. They desperately need to get good quality permanent faculty, especially after the dressing down from the court. The students there have got good alumni base, decent placements, but just need that extra admin and academic push to go to the next level. Government change is unlikely to cause anything new.

7. NLIU needs a new VC to recover, someone who will be futuristic, progressive and help the place shake out of its traditional sarkari inertia. Change in government does not really matter. Difficult to get rid of old permanent faculty, who can do nothing more for the place. With a new NLU in the same state, it is unlikely to get the same attention. The MP domicile quota has not helped it, unlike NLS, NUJS etc. because there Bangalore and Kolkata students avail of that quota and are better qualitatively.

8. Jindal is in decline now that the sheen has worn off and people are finding the model unsustainable for quality. Their placement is hardly improving and is miles behind the top 8-9 NLUs. They have too many of everything to be managed properly, students and faculty. Admin is only busy with hacking rankings and neglecting student interest and welfare in the process. They have got some very good names and still do excellent PR, but unless they get streamlined and ensure quality during entry (both students and faculty), they will never be taken seriously. ROI is so bad that you are better off putting the money in FD and going for litigation with the interest to sustain yourself until you rustle up a decent practice.

Are you so out of work that you have legit prepared a whole rank sheet of law colleges in India after conducting analysis of the political situation of their respective states? And who cares what you think of the law school rankings currently? Nobody gives a damn about your bold calls. Get a life

So?

Your comment sounds as if you learnt art of mooting right from childhood. People cope and learn differently, they might have been exasperated in first year but see the growth in second year.

Secondly look at the batch size in respect of % composition. Considering the relatively small size, they have done quite well.

Like I said, let the first batch graduate and give some buffer time. LLB will be dominating the legal services field. A lot of people will prefer doing another degree and then pursuing the three year program rather than spending five year doing law right out of school when they havent signed a contract themselves.

Please don’t misconstrue my words as being derisive of BALLB, all I am saying is this unnecessary slander of LLB is uncalled for without taking into the merits and facts of the matter. Just because a batch is not able to get few internship in so called corporate firms is not a stamp of character of their success or failure of the course.

The courts are not supposed to look at what transpired in the parliament and members have absolute privilege. I guess by that logic we should not discuss about parliament proceedings as well. Such takes are the result of the (i) blinkered understanding of doctrine of separation of power and (ii) the fact that there is a difference between an ordinary person and an institution such as judiciary and parliament.