Hi please don't feel hopeless and depressed. Its not true that u are not going ton get a job if u are not from a tier1 nlu. This year many A0s in tier 1 law firms came from t2/t3 nlus or some even from private colleges. If u genuinely want to study law you can chose any nlu/ GLC Mumbai or any other good private college and pursue it.

Parents tend to be harsh in such situations but at the end of the day it's your life you have to decide what you want.

I hope things work out for you!

Naah dude, regardless what the other commentators are saying, taking a drop if you are dedicated.

I am a dropper myself in T1 NLU and most batchmates are either one year droppers, two, some to the extent of even 3 (personally would not recommend 3 though). But private colleges would not simply give u the advantage. Take the leap child, believe in what u can achieve

Though it is not something new, the Hindi push by present government has just aggravated it. Earlier they didn't use to vandalise shops and establishments, but now to protect their culture and language, the indigenous people see threat in every foreign element that they around them.

The present Modi government is adding fuel to this by unnecessarily imposing Hindi, see those 3 criminal bills, the names are in Hindi even though the whole bill is in English. This unnecessary imposition of a language is the root problem.

The only solution to this is following a two language model in states and one language in Centre, with English being the mandatory language across the country.

Absolutely. Regionalism and casteism is the enemy of merit, progress and national unity. It’s disgusting that the so-called left is weaponising this in their desperation to overthrow Modi.

Coming to NLUs, it’s important for all NLU student bodies and alumni to unite and challenge domicile reservation in the SC.

Toh tu kya chah ra hai bhai hum apne jeb se paise de dein kya ? .. tere pe paisa nhi hai toh litigation mat kro, u won't make it.

For litigation u need a solid financial backing so that even if u don't earn any money for next 5 years tab bhi guzaara ho jaaye bina dikkat k.

This may sound rude to you but this is truth.

Interested in joining the TMT team of the firm and wanted to know whether they are responsive to internship applications that are sent on their generic email ID or should I try approaching their HRs directly? Also, what are my chances of securing this considering I'm available to intern for long durations as my college gives that flexibility. Please bump!

With the Central government's push towards Hindi it was inevitable anyways.

They keep insisting on curriculum in Hindi even for courses like engineering and Mbbs.

When people feel their language and culture is being threatened, they tend to overcompensate.

Cure the problem not the symptom.

You get a variety of matters in these chambers, everything from a white collar crime to more complex financial and commercial arbitrations. The Chambers of Percival Billimoria is one of the premiere law firms in India. Percy is a man who has built the biggest law firms of our country with his own blood and sweat and now continues to practice independently. At the moment the chambers have 3 associates and some additional resources by the virtue of their exceptionally strong network in the legal community. If you want to start your career in law and actually be able to learn how to be a good lawyer, these chambers are where you want to be. Firms like trilegal, azb, and cam swear by Percy's analysis. He is a living legend in the legal fraternity. No doubt about it

Having worked with him closely for a considerable amount of time, I can safely say that he is one of the best legal minds in the country.

Has a good deal of arbitration and commercial litigation along with white collar matters.

Is very considerate about his juniors and wants to teach everything he can.

Not a good idea at all!!!!

He is SA you are a final-year student. The problems you face in life at this stage are minuscule to him as he must have forgotten how he might have faced the same problems at the same stage.

For example - How would you, as a final year law student, look at an Xth standard student going through tremendous pressure and stress for his Xth Boards? It is now nothing for and you wish you had not stressed so much back in that time. You would just tell him that it is nothing and not to stress about it, which is not at all aligned with the priorities that kid has in his life at the moment and will create incongruities between you.

Likewise, it is never ideal to be in a relationship or date someone who is years ahead of you in the same field, they won't look at your life the same way you look at it, resulting in a lack of consideration, differences, and whatnot.

Did not have to give so much logic to make you understand as the mere fact that you posted this here shows that there is something fundamentally wrong about this that doesn't sit right with you as well. Plus nobody can look into the future and answer your questions with certainty, that, only time will tell.

All the best!

I am currently navigating the early stages of my career in corporate law. I find myself at a juncture where the insights and guidance from experienced professionals would be immensely beneficial. Which i am not having.I am particularly interested in gaining insights into the nuances of law firms, especially from someone with experience at the Senior Associate (SA) level or above.

If anyone is interested pls drop how you would like me to contact you .

Just a quick heads-up on these apps – you know the drill. Every so often, people start using them for things beyond work, and it doesn't always lead to smooth sailing. I've heard a few tales where workplace romances veered into unexpected territory and things got a bit messy. Stay on the side of caution to steer clear of any unnecessary complications.

Is it possible that for a specific reason, you may not be promoted to next level but be paid salary for the next level (when your work is good but say the team doesn't have enough to promote you Designation wise but give comp)? Eg a PA1 be paid salary of PA2 or a OC be paid salary of SP? Also, any idea how much variable OC and SP make and factor who determine the amounts? For equity, I guess it's purely the profit of the firm and their own profitability.

Just saw an year old thread jisme people were hating on the fact that the law schools glorified nls on winning jessup 2013. They said ki moot court competitions were essentially a waste of time and resource. Is it true? Does participating and winning moots have no to minimal positive impact on your CV and overall personality in general? Being a fresher it's something which I am genuinely interested in and so this question/thread.

1. Here is the published IIT KGP SOL data sheet from NIRF (https://www.nirfindia.org/nirfpdfcdn/2023/pdf/Law/IR-L-U-0573.pdf). It does take a genius to see that this is specific to IIT KGP SOL, not the entire IIT KGP. To assume, that IIT KGP will not realize this is foolish. They know what they are doing.

2. Such differences exist even among engineering departments. For E.g. CS thinks they are superior to civil or mechanical. These are meaningless comparisons done by juveniles.

3. Be patient. Innovation is a new idea in India. Given the fact that SOL's focus is on IP Law, it is bound to take some time to become mainstream. That said, SOL is building a focus area and a niche that state NLUs have failed to do (even the older ones). They are ramping up the intake (for money) and diluting quality.

4. Already covered in bullet 1. All points here are about IIT KGP SOL. Comparing state NLUs with the larger IIT KGP is like comparing an asteroid with the Sun. The point is about comparing research culture, not comparing subjects (like Law with STEM).

5. OK. Noted.

6. The point is no one has stopped state NLUs from tapping into their so-called alumni for grants and funding. But they are unsuccessful in doing so. The fact that Ashoka and Jindal can do this is their credit, and they don't need to be apologetic about it.

7. That is for State NLUs to decide and tread carefully. At this point, they are being careless and adding new disciplines rampantly.

Bottomline: When state NLUs are plagued by inefficient administration, erratic funding, state government indifference, a massive increase in intake, lack of academic leadership, and domicile reservation, among many other things - where is the time to focus on research?

So you started working when you were 21? How the f?

First that girl was 20 in her final year and you here are 22 in your second working year. Are you just some law student exhibiting your fantasy? Also who opens Grindr just for fun when bored? are there so many gays these days and no shame in admitting it?

CMAT and NMAT is such entrance exams which is very easy but there is a catch you have to get above 99 percentile for getting into some of the top institutes that accepts CMAT and NMAT scores.

Also, MH Cet is also easy as compared to CAT, XAT, especially for MH Residents.

Hey,

I think there’s a major misconception here that a drop year is a bad thing. It isn’t. If you want to get into an nlu and believe that you could spend one year focused on your prep without being distracted, then take a drop. Another consideration that has to be weighed in here is whether you have some support from family. See there’s a lot of competition nowadays and nlu education may give you a head start. But pls be certain that you really want to do law in order to make the drop year worth all the risk you’ll be taking.

Those who have got problems with Kannada signboard find Hindi boards, plaques etc in all public places quite normal. That's the attitude that has triggered such problems. Either have one official language for everything that's not the mother tongue of any part of the population so that nobody gets any undue advantage, like English. Or else have regional languages for every region together with English. Nobody outside the Hindi speaking states should have to converse/communicate in Hindi.

As for the caste census, it's happening in the states because the central government has refused to conduct census in the decade that it has been in power for. Every day there are still hundreds of instances of caste based atrocities in all parts of the country, so it's not as if caste issues have become irrelevant.

No, avoid dropping.

First, CLAT itself is unpredictable, and from 2025 onwards (i.e. CLAT 2025 held in Dec 2024) will be multi-lingual. This changes the entire competition dynamics. Second, God forbid, if you are not well on the day of the exam or there is some other emergency (these are unpredictable).

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest/in-focus/story/bengaluru-shops-mandated-to-display-signboards-in-60-kannada-by-feb-end-civic-body-410662-2023-12-24

The day is not far away when state NLUs will be asked by the respective state governments to teach the local language initially as a subject, and then as the medium of instruction. Once CLAT becomes multi-lingual from 2025 onwards, there is no stopping.

1. No, it is you who are unaware of how the NIRF data is being presented. As someone who has seen IIT KGP's submission, I can vouch for the fact that the law school is using main IIT's numbers in a fashion that is quite common among other law schools that are part of bigger universities too, but not accurate or ethical.

2. I have been to IIT KGP's law school multiple times. They are yet to gain any noticeable benefit of the kind that you refer to. The IIT faculty and students don't consider the law faculty/students as their equals even. There is little to no collaboration that takes place.

3. If an institution remains less known even after a decade, then that is by no means an indicator of its excellence. It means that it has not achieved anything that it should be known for.

4. This is your opinion, there is no fact associated with it. Plenty of good legal research and publications have emerged from these places. Comparing those to STEM universities and their research is foolish and only done by ignorants who fail to appreciate the difference between the disciplines.

5. Agreed.

6. Agreed, with the reservation that private universities like Ashoka or even Jindal use personal network of the upper echelon to attract such funding, not by any specific demonstration of excellence. That's the private v. public divide. Public universities be they state or central also have a lot of red tapes to go through for accepting private funding. Should the scene be improved? Obviously yes. Does that mean that the private universities are using such extra funding to produce amazing research? Not really. All the parties including the funders should therefore introspect in this regard.

7. Agreed. Multi-disciplinarity seems to be the future. That does not mean that universities should randomly open new disciplines without thinking about synergy, viability and expertise related issues. A knee jerk response to UGC directives which often are all about show and no substance would be unwise.

Bottomline: What you mentioned in the earlier 7 points do not logically lead to that conclusion, so it is clearly your personal agenda. It is not as if that the so-called national universities that you refer to that are offering law at this stage are doing a good job at all, be it undergrad/postgrad teaching or quality legal research, or attracting private funding. If you are saying that the centre will always keep funding those, then that's also an assumption, countered by the reduced budget for higher education, elimination of fellowships etc.

Bro are you just dumb? These are not celebs. One is an intern (read temporary free labour) and the other an SA ( a mentor, power in recruitment, senior position)

The power differential is wrong.

Further, both are in different stages in life and she is in for a huge trauma episode if she pursues this.

Regulatory mismatch in services sector challenge for India-UK FTA: Officially

Indian express article

https://indianexpress.com/article/business/economy/india-service-sector-regulatory-mismatch-india-uk-free-trade-agreement-9081510/

The cartel of few law firms may lose the battle to stop entry of foreign law firms in India.The article writes about how few law firms dominate and charge hefty fees and how foreign law firm entry will provide employment to young legal workforce.I think the entry of foreign law firms will happen soon. Is it too early to celebrate?

Actually there is nothing unethical in dating an SA or even a PA. Men usually date younger women. Younger women date older me for thier resources, confidence and maturity. So essentially age is not the problem. Have seen even a 34 year old PA dating a fresher associate who is hardly 23.

As long as you are both 18+ there is nothing immoral or illegal. Even if you date a partner who's your dad's age.

Unfortunately, men with money age like fine wine. And are preferred by women. But not the opposite.

Problem is you are both in same team. And when you are in the same team. It's unethical to be in a relationship. If you mess up your relationship you could loose careee prospects at the team. If you get a job, you will still be slut shamed for selling your body for a job. Even for him there are risks.

So make sure you intern in a different team. And you could still date him for the long term.

Hey man. If you're reading this, just know that you're not alone in this shithole. You will make it out not because that is what people do but because you have a hunger to be at a better place.

And you're only 19 man, you don't have your whole life behind you. yeah you might have taken a few beatings but now you know yourself better than you did 3 years ago while studying for something you didn't like so I'd say the beatings were well worth it. And don't let these go to waste.

Ask yourself what you really want and work for it, take a small break if you want before starting.

There is a person (she got a video on yt with 12 minutes to clat) who dropped two years and landed in glc. Multiple people land in nlus too (lots of clat rankers this year). Give mhcet once, land glc or ILS, work for clat/ailet from there if you want. But join a college. Your parents will stop cribbing once you do. I assume you can get uslls too at this rank without giving any entrance, look into that.

So rise up my man nothing is lost.

Anyone know the process for cancellation of a law firms license with Bar Council?

Seen the movie Damini?its just the tip of the iceberg of the real problems faced by women in sexual assault and sexual harassment cases.Amrish Puri will seem like a saint when I tell you what my opponent law firm in my sexual harassment case is upto which is in Court defending the ex employer for dismissing me for making complaints of sexual harassment.The ex employer company is a global brand.

I am being stalked ,followed and spied on 24*7 by goons and agents of this law firm and its lawyers.Not just me,but my entire family is being stalked and spied upon by these pimps of the sexual harassers (they are not worthy of being called lawyers or law firm)This law firm even sent a drug addict to rape me.I escaped and filed complaint with Policeman -THEY NEVER EVEN REGISTERED A FIR.They are now implicating me and my family in false cases teaming up with my Housing society and interfering in a 30 year old legal matter. They are bribing Court staff and clearly they have some far too "supportive" Judges(at High Court).My issue is they are bent on driving me to suicide since I refused to take money and "settle the case".

I have no agency and no Court to help me because they are stalking me ,approaching the lawyers I go to and threatening /driving my lawyers to ensure I don't get legal advise and legal representation.

The Lower Court Judge gives the company and its lawyers red carpet treatment,so getting Contempt reference is impossible.I have been told in hushed whispers by lawyers who declined my case saying "too busy" (dont want to get involved in a case where they say they are facing "pressures")that for the illegal and criminal a activities of law firm its best to file complaint at Bar Council and seek cancellation of license.

Any advice?

If you’re trying to defame or embarrass him, let me remind you that a fake rape charge was even filed against Rahul Gandhi. Anyone can make fake accusations against anyone. If the case against Lokenath, Chatterjee really had substance, he would’ve been arrested and made to face trial. The fact that even a regime as autocratic as the TMC has not arrested him shows how fake the charges are.

I feel that Paridhi Shroff’s decision to attend finishing school in Switzerland doesn’t make sense. They will not teach you how to eat parathas and dal properly there, or how to pair wine with Indian food. They will focus only on Western food. That’s especially irrelevant if one is vegetarian (I’m guessing the Shroffs and Adanis are). They will also teach you certain manners that are not relevant to India, such as kissing on the cheek or curtsying before dignitaries.

So I feel it’s better to have attend finishing school in India.

It matters a lot in general. Plus it’s not really hard to learn it on google. I am at an associate level and I make sure to follow table manners and plate etiquettes even when out for a team lunch. It adds a little something.

You can still skip the fanciness of the alcohols since you can say that you don’t drink (unless you do drink and want to in that case again just go with the safest choices in the menu).

Always carry a perfume, a comb, a lipstick (if you’re a woman), mints/gum on you. You never know when you might need it

"The legal sector is grappling with the rise of generative AI — technology that can review, extract and write large passages of humanlike text — which could result in losses of jobs and revenues by reducing billable hours and entry-level work for junior staff."

Let the existential crisis kick in!

https://www.ft.com/content/f1aff4d0-b2c5-4266-aa0a-604ef14894bb

Thank you so much, this really helps. I've also read that it's better if you can make your piece engaging, is it something that should be kept in mind while drafting a policy or an argument?

You can make it more engaging with the use of analogies and comparative analyses with what you're proposing, option tables, PEST analysis, SWOT analysis, Etc. being some of the other mechanism, is it something worth considering sir?

Kids please realise that you can be traced very very easily if you provide these many variables in your post.

This thread is already going around on WhatsApp groups and if the information is true it will not be long before it reaches the dramatis personae.

The kid is b/o 24 and unplaced, @mod pls redact some details from the og post, for the sake of their job.

Lastly, what sort of a fucked up person you need to be to ask an intern out when there is such a crazy power differential.

This news was mentioned a few days ago on LI and marked trollish by the moderator, but now The Print has confirmed that the news is true (side note: the mod needs to stop such censorship and trust student leaks, as we have reliable sources).

Now, this news is just SHOCKING. The left is accused of wokeism and cancel culture, but what about this then?? It's naked fascism!!! You want to see a professor arrested and her career ruined??? 😡😡😡 We all know that the Bumble issue (which is the supposed offence) is just a non-issue. The real issue is her opposition to the BJP and her support for Palestine and invitation to Achin Vanaik, which led to the Israeli Ambassador writing to the VC. Plus the fact that her father is a big Congress leader. It's just a shameless culture war being waged by the BJP.

Sadly, the RW students of Jindal are the ones to blame as they started it. You people have secretly video recorded professors and leaked them to pro-BJP Twitter handles in the past, but this time you have really done something that is shameful. You have just gone too far. Also, it's no excuse to say that you didn't think this would lead to a police complaint. You are responsible for your actions. Thanks to you, there will forever be distrust and division within the student body.

https://theprint.in/india/bumble-saga-jindal-university-prof-booked-for-exhibiting-students-dating-profiles-in-class/1898822/

Nlu is nothing but a romantic plot set by coaching institutes. I m not denying that having an Nlu tag gives u an edge, but studying from a non-NLU college also doesn't mean that your career is over. I hardly find a handful of good or renowned lawyers who are from nlu. Most of the successful lawyers are from traditional law colleges. So worry not brother, there is a long way to go beyond college admissions

My firms invites these people who are grooming experts-cum-air hostess trainers-cum-makeup artists-cum-fashion consultants-cum wellness therapists-cum tarot card readers. Most are useless, some are obnoxious. e.g. one grooming aunty told a dark-skinned girl that she needed to "brighten" her face (using skin bleach).

Yes, in fact it was mentioned on LI that Paridhi Shroff during an interview said that she attended a crash course at a finishing school for girls in Switzerland. All this matters when you interact with really top people, like she does. But you only get there at senior partner level, as the previous comment says.

There is. Afaik pension benefits kick in only after you’ve served for a period of 20 years. JAG recruits are taken in on SSC for 10 years which can be further extended to PC for a 4 year period. So imo, you will fall short of the requisite service period through this route. You cannot quit at random without paying a hefty sum, this is not a corporate job.

1. You must join a University this year. Dropping 2 years for clat was a mistake.

2. Write more exams - LSAT (for Jindal with a scholarship, MAHCET for GLC & ILS - both are good, SLAT for Symbiosis Pune)

Join the best campus you are getting and start your higher studies and good life.

You are too young to be worried. Your clat performance shows you are better than 90% of candidates. So no worries.