As an insider, I'll tell you something even more crucial and consistent about it: if you're from a decent college (which includes at least the top 8-9 NLUs, Symbi, JGLS, GLC etc) and you get a PPO recommemdation based on your internship, then the interview is an absolute formality with which they won't spend more than 15 minutes on. I've not seen or heard of a single person get rejected post getting a recommendation in the past 4-5 years. :)

Have you not learned enough social science subjects to know that capitalism and corporate culture will never be humane. When the primary motive is money, for the money, by the money, of the money; then why would corporations care about health and social welfare of their employees? Understand that you are disposable. In the larger scheme of things, you have to decide what you want, freedom or an illusion of it. Control or an illusion of it. Wealth or an illusion of it. Health or an illusion of it.

An internship is not to get a job, never had been. That's an apprenticeship. Know the difference.

Any internship is beneficial for two reasons:

1. If you are unsure of what you wish to pursue as a career post graduating, internships help find out the environment for each job. That's why I suggest freshers to intern at an ngo, under an advocate, judge and in a firm; this way you get to see the inside workings and depending on where you felt more comfortable, you may pursue that field. For example, one of my students was hell bent on working at a law firm because that's all they knew, however once they interned under an advocate, they immediately loved the job, now they're practicing as an AoR.

2. If you are 100% sure that you want a certain career, that's when you can direct all your internships towards that role. So if you wish to litigate, then you can do internships at DC, HC, SC and change it between advocates who practice criminal, civil etc to see how different each practice is.

People who do countless internships are doing it only to buff up their CV. Something which I personally discourage. It's always about quality and not quantity. If you know you want a certain career, it's better to intern in those areas to test which areas work better for you. Your experience will determine how well you do in those career rather than what the word is on the streets about those jobs.

NLUD students have been keeping that pretense up for long. Yet there is no NLUD batch which has ever performed better than any NLSIU batch till date. As on date, other than location, NLUD has got no advantage whatsoever and even the location advantage is of no help careerwise since that doesn't let the NLUD students intern throughout the year unlike GLC etc. The NLUD faculty other than a few rare exceptions like Danny and Yogesh are really mediocre now. The leadership has been uninspiring since RS left. The placement scene is not even within top 5. The campus culture is really toxic as the student deaths show clearly. Their governing body members bicker among themselves openly. Rest are all PR.

Hi,

The first round follows a CLAT-style format, similar to the 2020 pattern. The total duration is approximately 45 minutes, with different sections allocated specific time limits.

The sections include English, Maths, Legal Reasoning, and Logical Reasoning. For instance, Maths has a 15-minute limit, and the timing varies for other sections. There are a total of 30 questions, though I’m unsure if there is any negative marking.

P.S.: Before taking the test, it’s a good idea to quickly review key topics from Contracts, the Companies Act, the Indian Evidence Act (IEA), and some landmark cases. Additionally, they’ve previously asked questions from the RERA and the Transfer of Property Act (TPA).

Quite recently, there was an incident where a certain partner in a certain T1 openly told the associates that they believed that it is expected of associates to work on weekends and holidays. Most of us go to T1s knowing that there will be days where you are expected to work long hours or in some cases on weekends/holidays. It is absolutely disgusting to see that some people consider this a norm and not the exception. These are the partners who think that their associates work 'for' them and not 'with' them and view associates as mere replaceable commodities. Small but subtle difference.

Hold on, this might help you make sense of things:

https://keepupwithkaur.com/achieving-work-life-balance-changed-my-life/

Funnily enough it west visiting open public spaces is seen as community exercise, even for NYE. I've seen videos from Sydney and all with all citizens celebrating collectively in public spaces. So more than lower middle class it's our mindset which is to be blamed. As they say in India the elite like to seclude themselves.

As a student of the batch of ‘29 I can attest to the fact that around 10 of my batchmates made the decision to choose NLU-D over NLS and that number has been increasing ever since. Aside from the reasons the other person on this thread mentioned Delhi is overall a far better place to be for anything law related. That is a no brainer. The 300+ batch size has lead to dilution in quality and most do not really get good profs. At the same time there would be a heightened competition to represent the college and for positions within. NLU-D has a focused student body, you are well integrated with the great city of Delhi, the national capital having the Supreme Court, prominent centres, think tanks, reasarch orgs as opposed to a suburb in bangalore which is known for the most part for its clubbing culture. It is the place to be and also given the less than ideal quality of the CLATs for ‘24 and ‘25 you are going to get the cream of the crop here.

I am now 19, I had no idea what was I doing in my high school, scored only 58% in 10th and 50% in 12th(humanities). I am actually a special case, A student who had the potential to study well but for some reasons I didn't. I gave my first clat attempt straight up in 2024 december, which was 1 year after I passed my 12th in 2023 april but failed, scoring a decent rank though. Now I know that if I give one more attempt I can definitely crack it. But will it be worth it, I mean going to NLU at 20 and having only 50% in 12th with 2years of drop?? How much will my percentage and wasted years affect my internships and placement chances. I've heard something like there is a 60% criteria set for some law firms placement and internships and also moot court competitions in some cases. Also how often will I have to get embarrassed for my condition and percentage in lawschool when obliged to tell it to seniors or the staff ? Please tell the truth and not any motivational answers. I just wanna know, how bad I've fucked up ?

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Bro, y'all are citing international law, but under which law is Yunus heading the govt of Bangladesh??And under which law is Yunus releasing convicted terrorists from prison and allowing the killing of minorities in Bangladesh?

https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/the-sheikh-hasina-extradition-demand-indias-options/article69044282.ece

“On January 1, the State of New Hampshire will become the eighth state with no state income tax.

New Hampshire joins Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Nevada, South Dakota, Wyoming and Alaskaon the no-income-tax list.”

(The state of Washington recently lost this status as Democrats imposed a capital gains tax there.)

https://atr.org/tax-competition-heats-up-nationwide-as-new-hampshire-becomes-the-eighth-no-income-tax-state/#:~:text=%E2%80%9COn%20January%201%2C%20the%20State,a%20capital%20gains%20tax%20there.)

To add to that we don't even come close to their pay and WLB. This whole thing about oh we have to pay less taxes is just a coping mechanism. Tech bros, not only from a tier 1 college but also from tier 3 colleges do well; have really high base salaries with RSUs as well. What I like about tech scene is that it is the closest approximation to a meritocracy- You can't grift your way through an interview if you don't have the requisite skills. Compare that to law- you should just know the right people and an internship will be served on a platter. I have seen mediocre people with great grifting skills getting better internships. Not to forget the RCC and placecomm politics- favourtism and politics is rampant. Tech placecomms in elite institutions are centralized and are run by designated officers. There is supervision through faculty members as well. Compare that to law schools and see what a shit show it is even in the so called top institutions.

Hey am a current first year at NLU-D and I had a similar choice as you last year. I believe I would be in a better position to give you advice as I have just given the exams and experienced a year here. The later one gets in law school one may adopt a pessimistic attitude and project personal failures on the institution as a means of feeling better about themselves and one must take their advice with a grain of salt

Believe it or not last year I spoke to Ranbir Singh(the founder of both institutions) about which one to join and he unequivocally suggested Delhi. I would end the thread here but here are a few more obvious reasons why one should not even consider NASLAR as comparable.

NALSAR has too much domicile , is in the middle of nowhere , admits students thru the scam that is CLAT, is barely even a law university anymore and has seen the greatest brain drain of professors in recent history. Just looking at a few threads about the pitiable state of NALSAR on legally India would give you a good picture

Given the fact you're a UPSC aspirant Delhi is the place to be. The campus has a metro 5 minutes away and there's immense connectivity to all parts of the city at ease. You can stay and intern at the Supreme Court or high court where we have numerous alumni. We also have brilliant visiting faculty and notary individuals from Delhi who come to campus regularly. The Vice President came just this year. It is liberating to be in a city. At the same time your choice for corporate remains open and you explore all other opportunities. NALSAR is on the downfall and is a suffocating place to be . I know numerous NALSARites who would much rather be here in Delhi and would even treat ur question as absurd

Lol, NLUD is the obvious choice. I’m surprised how this is even a matter of debate but it goes to show the ignorance among law students these days. No domicile quota so the crowd is more meritorious, smaller batch sizes so opportunities are more for individual students. Only areas where NLS is better are alumni, which frankly won’t matter in the short term of getting through law school and getting jobs since both colleges have equally good opportunities and have to compete with equally competent kids from other NLUs. Faculty also, NLS is better, but they have nearly 3 times as many students and frankly, despite some students complaining, NLUD faculty is better than nearly every other NLU. Ask anyone from the old NLS batch sizes of 80 and they’d unequivocally trade their present situation with what NLUD offers. That’s a fact, not an opinion.

I have an upcoming internship with the competition team of a top-tier law firm. As I am currently in my final year, I am eager to make the most of this opportunity to enhance my prospects for placements. If anyone could provide insights into the nature of work typically undertaken by competition teams at such firms, I would greatly appreciate it. Additionally, any specific details regarding the kind of tasks or responsibilities I might expect would be immensely helpful, as I wish to prepare myself thoroughly in advance. THANKYOU

1. To assume that a humanities education makes one liberal is a very loaded claim to make. And to associate the altar of humaneness with this liberal and left-leaning outlook is rather objectionable given that there myriad of other ideologies and lens through which one can view the world and are perfectly compatible with a humanities education and quite good or humane.

2. Anyhow I'd say both groups have an emphasis on 'rationality' , 'merit' , perhaps a certain degree of edginess , a sort of self assuredness of having made it on their own to name a few.

Definitely go for SLS Pune. Pune is a more happening place, you will have a great peer group and faculty as well as a solid alumni base. Odisha is not a particularly desirous place to be and neither does the college have a stellar reputation. I'd say join SLS and think of spending your 5 years there too. The CLAT exam is far too unpredictable to warrant actual preparation these days irregardless and the earlier you start your law school journey the better. Best of Luck

As people have already said, don't take a full drop. As someone who has taken a drop, I never suggest others to do the same. Try getting a half decent college and seriously prepare side by side, the security of not losing your year is a huge bonus since CLAT is extremely unpredictable, you never know what will happen.

Also, don't try too hard for AILET, it's a longshot for anyone. You've way better odds at CLAT with a good preparation.

Also don't be too fixated on your sectional performances like you've mentioned that you hoped to score in all sectionals, it simply doesn't make sense. Keep yourself adaptable to what the paper requires. Furthermore, avoid fixation on getting a tier-1 NLU, your avenues doesn't close at any of the other NLUs. Best of luck man!

Read up on the ICDR and LODR primarily. Then the different types of issues under the Companies Act, 2013. After that, go through an SHA and read through the IPO clauses, and just the SHA in its entirety. Lastly, maintain a list of all the relevant form filings for all the different corporate actions - alteration in share capital, appointment of directors, etc.

That should be enough to get you through your first 3 years as an associate.

Everything else - such as knowing what to apply where - comes with practical exposure while you work on an offer document. There will be times you mess up, there will also be times deliverables feel like a breeze to get through.

Like someone has already said here before, capital markets is one hell of a field - you’ll have chill days, you’ll have busy days. It’s all about taking things one day at a time, having a life outside work and the ability to see the bigger picture of things.

Cheers.

Obvious next question: A regular murder? Or a corporate/Deep state plot?

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/suchir-balaji-openai-chatgpt-its-murder-suchir-balajis-parents-say-autopsy-shows-signs-of-struggle-7375165

there is no exam except english tests like IELTS or TOEFL

for ivy league colleges like harvard etc. and oxbridge you would need to be in the top 1% of your class or (get recommendations from top people and show extra+co curricular achievements)

in general just google "LLM admissions" + "college name" and you would be able to find the process. UK LLM applications (except for oxbridge and a few others) are free. US applications are always with a fee.

As an associate working in one of the T1 competition teams for a few years, here's my take:

1. Scope - the field is definitely growing. The CCI has been very active regarding mergers and the introduction of the DVT and other metrics in the new amendments, the scope of the field is only going to grow.

Now coming to the future, that's where the problem lies. I feel that this area of law will get extremely saturated. The big name partners are young and they would be still there 5-10 years down the line. In house options are very few currently (but with the introduction of the digital competition law, it might change or it might not). But currently, the options after leaving law firms are very few.

2,3 - Best teams & top players - Ranking them overall in no particular order (would love if people working on these teams could add more)

A) SAM - Some great partners, good clientele, good pay, decent work culture.

B) CAM - Average clientele, not so great work culture afaik

C) Trilegal - After NKU's exit and roping in of two SAM partners, the team hasn't gone back to its previous glory, but better work culture now, and good pay.

D) KCO - Merger matters mostly, decent team with more than decent work culture, good pay.

E) AZB - Ram is known to be a great boss, some other partners are also good people, good clientele and pay.

F) JSA - NKU is probably the most infamous name in comp law in India, great clients, great pay, terrible work culture. Vaibhav is also a good partner to work with

G) DSK, L&L, P&A - average teams with not a lot of good work, bad pay (compared to the t1s), good partners (P&A being an exception afaik)

H) Sarvada - Best place to learn and get hands on work, Abir is a wonderful mentor, bad pay and hours though.

I) C&M - Good clientele, bad pay, bad work culture

J) Axiom - Samir is extremely well known, good work, long hours and average pay.

4 - Money - Most T1s have a standardized payscale so you'll be making a fixed amount similar to your peers in other teams. Variables depend totally on the specific team you work with, i.e., even in the same firm there might be significant pay differences.

The non t1s usually have an average pay in the range of 50-80k pm.

5. Suitability - to be very honest, it's same as any other corporate law area. You get better as you work on more matters. There's nothing specific that differentiates you from other lawyers with regards to any specific skill sets or knowledge.

Comp law is essentially enforcement + merger control. I personally find enforcement matters more fun but it's a very subjective. If the firm you work with has a good M&A practice, the chances are you'll end up getting a lot of merger control matters. A lot of t1s don't have a lot of enforcement culture, except for maybe SAM, AZB and JSA.

Overall, once you commit, it'll be a little hard to find other avenues or inhouse roles if you decide to leave the firm practice. But it's a fun, interesting practice once you start liking it.

Good luck.

In my experience: the best editors are THE best, exceptional quality. But the average and low are pathetic. My friends have had pieces published in other NLS blogs/prestigious journals that were rejected from NLSIR with a one line review. I don’t think most pieces of this quality deserve just a one line review lmao.

go to the "good" economics college and you can get a 3 year LLB later. try for NLS otherwise DU etc you will have to put in the same "effort" into getting a job that you would at sls-h. brand value actually means a lot.

also we have a person at work from sls-h and she gossips rather than working all day. if she was the one that got hired i am scared to imagine what the 'bad' sls-h kids look like.

I have regrets only for the money. I like my work and my boss is very nice. I have a good work life balance. No complaints there. Just that my batchmates in corp law earn a lot more. So I feel bad when I see them showing off fancy cars and brands. I don’t like corp law so that’s why I didn’t choose it. But now I regret it as I would have earned more money. I am feeling this way only after I attended a reunion of our batch, where my batchmates in Corp law were boasting about this life of luxury.

There is no diwali or christmas or any other festival if you have not taken a pre-approved leave well in advance. I have worked during Diwali, Christmas, Gudi Padwa with no leaves. Also unlimited leaves are just a scam and its actually not unlimited leave. Partner creates a scene if you ask for more than 4-5 days leave.

This is bull market season. I would suggest you jump ship as soon as you can. Work is the same across firms and the only difference is quality of clients. Bigger the firm bigger is the client base (usually). In a bigger set up you will be exposed to a lot more people which will do you good in your initial phase of your career. Plus, don’t forget to negotiate on your current pay. There is a lot of demand for CM lawyers albeit people who are slightly experienced. Best of luck.

Hi everyone! I have a decent enough rank to get into both of the institutions. I want to go for NLS but the situation seems too hazy for now. I had applied for NLU D and have the admission offer should I gamble my 50K with regards to this situation.(Apologies for any errors and TIA!)

Mr Adani said, "Your work-life balance should not be imposed on me, and my work-life balance shouldn't be imposed on you. Say, someone spends four hours with family and finds joy in it, or if someone else spends eight hours and enjoys it, that's their balance. Notwithstanding that if you spend eight hours, biwi bhaag jayegi (wife will run away)."

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/gautam-adani-on-70-hour-work-week-debate-biwi-bhaag-jayegi-7370016#pfrom=home-ndtv_topstories

Cannot reveal the source. Iykyk :)

Feel free to verify from any judge in DJS that you know.

Else - do the math from public sources. The salary index of judicial officers after SNJPC is publicly available. The rates of DA and HRA are also public, and so are all the allowances that come with the SNJPC like petrol, transport, orderly, tech, etc. The income tax math is harder to do, but if you don't trust my source or don't know a judge yourself, you can reach an approximate amount from the public sources.

CLAT ranks mean jack shit once you get in - One of the top rankers in my NLU finished almost at the bottom and did not even get in the rank list because of multiple backs. People who came in thru various categories have performed admirably, some have topped and even secured T1 Law firm jobs. Some have chosen top notch LLM's (by choice, not to postpone unemployment). Get in, then put in 110% efforts

I graduated this year (2024) from a college affiliated to Mumbai University with no placement scene from college. I did internships in tier 2 law firm on my own but could not convert in PPO and I joined a boutique law firm as a trainee in the Corporate Advisory team at a very low pay and realised that the firm has no substantial work. And now I am joining a NBFC as a legal executive at 25k per month.
I want to make a career in Corporate and M&A but I am not getting such opportunity and need to look after my expenses on my own hence joining the NBFC (I know that I am deviating from my preferred practice area)
Will I be able to make my way back to a law firm in any team with that experience of NBFC?
Please consider replying to this thread with any suggestions or criticism I would really appreciate it.

If there are 100 judicial officers in DJS (suppose karo), maybe 1-2 leave it. That tells you everything you need to know.

This comment is so out of touch from reality. Till date, only a handful (single digits) people have left DJS and they are doing well because they were in DJS.

In judicial service, working hours are till 5 pm, any work u take home is based on your choice - there is work, yes, but you have the liberty to manage it as per your schedule.
If you want government job for "naukar chakar" and "gaadi aur driver" - you can see HJS and RJS. Though officers from HJS and RJS leave those states to join DJS because delhi is delhi.

DJS is worth it if - you are are satisfied with a decent salary, good reputation in society (everyone looks up to you in your circle, neighbourhood, family), the usual government job perks (good leave policy, multiple allowances and unlimited healthcare for yourself and your family (this is a huge deal - will never have to pay a single rupee no matter what), and most importantly and also most underrated, the feeling of contributing to public.

I have seen a discussion of Jurisphere, and Varun is doing a great job but has anyone heard about or worked with lexlegis. In one interview, he is saying that they have invested 10 million dollars, yet I haven't heard of anyone who has worked with them. Nor do they have any way for you to check how their AI works?

We should have a sports fest for lawyers where the only basic qualification is your LL.B degree and a fee charged to recover expenses. If not a sports fest, tournaments for single sport over the year in different cities can also be done. PS. sports, in this context, include in-door games like chess.

Hey guys I want to apply for LLM at a foreign university (like harvard,oxford etc.) but I have no idea how to even apply, what all exams we have to give, What is the process in general etc.

Could someone help me out with that. It would be of great help.

Thank You

All Tier 1s and most Tier 2s are same. You are just trading your health and well being for more money.

If the law firms don't milk you they can't make the insane profits that they do. You are a replaceable resource.

That said there will be a few rare exceptions and finding them and getting into such teams is extremely tough as they'll have very low attrition.