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First, stop glazing NLS.
Second, just because you "claim" to have filed the RTI, there's no way to prove it was actually you.
Third, recently DU had their PhD interviews, do you know how many people applied ? 650 ! And even these were JRF/NET qualified. So, If people are not applying to NLS. NLS seems to be the problem.
Fourth, JNU has two departments, the law & governance one, and the international legal studies one. Both, received around 100-150 applicants this year, JRF only for the law & governance, and in return, they filled out their complete vacancy. NLS not even filling the remaining 3 seats is laughable. And don't tell me it's because of "quality". I find it hard to believe that NLS couldn't even manage to find 3 quality aspirants who appeared in the interview ? There are people with significant work experience in legal research, people who have done clerkships with SC judges, people who have even done their masters from oxbridge and not selected just cause they didn't have any inside pull.
So, the clear fact remains. NLS is gatekeeping PhD in their institute, on the basis of false "quality" control. Btw, if you remember there have already been reports of the higher ups sitting on already completed PhD thesis.
83 candidates and can only manage to select 1.. that's too hard a pill to swallow.. even for Harvard Law.
It's okay, life goes on. Don't be stuck where you are, keep moving. You're not the only one with these circumstances - and in any given settings there would always be people who are better than you. That does not mean you would stop working, does it? I understand that you needed to vent about this, but let this be the last time, and from now focus on what's in front of you and what you can control instead of what you can't.
If you work at a decent think tank like Vidhi, maybe ask people around and see if they've got contacts that help you. Start writing a lot on corp law. And cold mailing every firm and partner you can. You may not hear from big firms but might have a chance at t-2/3 firms, which also means a good paycut so think it out. Not the best plan honestly.
Good luck.
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/161641-achievements-of-nlsiu-mpp-alumni
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/357391-opinion-on-nlsiu-mpp-considering-it-as-an-exit-from-upsc-prep-i-graduated-from-a-non-nlu-in-2022
The privileged nepo folks can channelise their energies and prioritise life in a planned manner whereas people like me have to spend a sizeable amount of time grinding under some toxic Lala managing partner/partner/senior with fragile egos and lick their ass to be able to make bread.
I am just fatigued with the unfortunate circumstances that life has presented me with. I just have to accept it sooner or later that I can never rise up in life. Feel stuck and miserable!!
I have left my career as Head of HR in a reputed firm after experience of around 26 years plus in field of HR. I wanted to seek experience in Labour Law to start with my practice. Any suggestions?
Will I be eligible for 4L minus TDS bonus component?
For GST - Understand what qualifies as a 'Supply'. Then slowly make your way to Input Tax Credit and then e-way bills. If you have friends pursuing CA and who are articles in IDT - ask them to explain what the various returns in GST (GSTR-1, GSTR-3B, GSTR-2A/2B, GSTR-9, etc.) These are your basics. As a lawyer you don't need to know how to file returns, BUT it it is critical to understand these returns and basis behind filing each of them. Especially since disputes at the adjudicatory level do not include a lot of interpretation of law but majorly include disputes arising out of these returns.
Don't rush things. Give yourself enough time to understand it.
For Customs Law - Understand the basic concepts like what is import, export, bill of entry, shipping bills, etc. Customs has a lot of HSN classification issues- so read the General Rules of Interpretation. Find cases on HSN classification and see how these Rules of Interpretation come into play.
past performance does not indicate future performance.
Also, Boards and CLAT do not test the same skills, period. So don't worry about your marks being low in 10th, it honestly doesn't in any way whatsoever reflect your capacity to score well in these entrances. However, do reflect on the reasons for scoring less in boards and learn from it.
Saying all of this as someone who got a double digit rank in ailet and 2xx rank in clat, alongside a low 80s percentage in 10th/12th.
2) Relatively High, 75% attendance is critical, plus all the crap like multiple term papers, random exercises etc in each trimester
3) Faculty is okaish, other places like JNU, TISS will have better faculty though
4) Can't comment as I do not have exact placement CTC figures
5) Infact MPP has virtually no relation to the BA LLB or even the LLB, some electives are shared and that's about it
6) I would not recommend it personally, go only if you have not got TISS, Jindal, ISB etc.
You ask what elite institutions like NLSIU or IIMs provide that enables them to justify their fee. The best that an institution can do for you is to train you into a competent and dynamic professional. On this, the record of NLSIU and older IIMs speaks for itself. Now in addition to what has already been mentioned above, also consider that if an institution wants to maintain its intellectual integrity and professional reputation, it must evolve to meet its costs on its own. The fee is an important, though not the only, source for this. If NLSIU was to be governed like JNU where the insultingly low fee has absolutely no relationship with the enormous cost of maintaining the university and providing good education, then NLSIU would become subservient to the government of the day besides being unable to expand its facilities. The kind of shoddy, partisan research that government-funded universities like JNU and even TISS are doing nowadays is partly because they are prevented from raising money on their own and are solely dependent upon the government of the day. One cannot innovate without cost. We can debate as to whether NLSIU, IIMs are taking advantage of the demand in market to overcharge students but it is unreasonable to expect them to not want to balance their budget. Comparing them with a company like Byju that actually engaged in fraud and market manipulation is totally uncalled for. As for what you want to do after receiving your degree from these institutes is really your problem. No point in blaming others for your own lack of honesty with yourself on the kind of career you one wanted to pursue.
https://www.barandbench.com/interviews/litigation-is-an-endurance-test-2024-aor-exam-topper-tanya-agarwal
Despite my best efforts, I can't shake the feeling that this mistake could have serious consequences, and the fear of what comes next is making it hard to think rationally. I know that setbacks are a part of professional life, but at this moment, the situation feels insurmountable. I feel lost, ashamed, and unsure of how to navigate this crisis.
I recognize that I may need support to process these emotions and gain perspective. If there are ways to manage this situation constructively or if I should seek guidance from a mentor, colleague, or mental health professional, I am open to suggestions. Right now, I just need clarity and reassurance that this mistake does not define me or my future.
On a different note, if you still live with your parents, consider moving out (to a nearby place) and use your savings for the same. Again, start with real estate.
I previously interned with a projects team at a t1 firm. I received a callback and for some reason I've been placed in the GC team for the same. I don't have any experience in GC, but I'm a bo26 and I'd like to convert this internship. (Apparently this is a common practice at this firm)
What kind of work can I expect from this internship? Is there anything I can study to help me during this internship?
Please let me know. My internship starts in a week.
Mods please mod fast if you can. Thank you!
2. Bro doesn't know how to spell.
3. Typical world, anonymity + bad spelling = bro is a scammer.
4. This thread should be removed by the moderators, like the one about the partner from the law firm who was maliciously accused of bad behaviour. It detracts from the quality of discourse.
Okay I'll be completely honest here and I'll rule out the considerations and you can make your choice.
1. Jobs- The campus placement scene is not very good because we do not have a day z scene. Companies and firms usually come around the year to pick up people. They want us to intern because we're based in Bombay anyway. They do pick up around 2-6 each- khaitan, sam, cam, s&r etc, and they have a fair chance to land a job etc.
In terms of actual numbers, around 30-40 people have been placed in the batch of 2025. So the numbers are not great but I think we are getting there. We might have a day z in the next two to three years. In terms of the batch of 2026, a lot of us have callbacks and assessments at Tier 1 firms and are expecting ppos from Tier 1s to roll in soon.
1. Internships - Internships are convenient in Bombay, both during the semester and in off months. You can intern while staying in your hostel, and during breaks, it’s significantly more affordable. Under the old policy, we were allowed a one-month exemption per semester, and many students managed to intern for two months while maintaining 70% attendance. However, this has now changed. We can intern only once per semester now, and doing so means we can’t afford to miss any additional classes due to the attendance requirement. That said, we still get four months of internship breaks per year, which I think is sufficient for law school.
1. Admin - The admin is not really a pain like a lot of other colleges like NLUO, RGNUL etc. They're pretty fine. They're mostly pro-student, but they're very slow and bureaucratic like you expect from government colleges. Most importantly, they're very new and nascent, so they haven't figured their stuff out yet. Most of their complacency comes from the fact that they're extremely new, but otherwise it's fine. Things are a little slow, but there's no like anti-student approach at all in the admin.
1. Faculty - the faculty is, barring a few exceptions, 4-5 professors, mediocre at best. Do not expect brilliance. Again, they're not anti-student. They're quite understanding, but mediocrity is the norm here, not brilliance.
1. Culture- it's a very new college, we've only had five batches pass out, so it's very difficult to comment on it. It's still in its nascent stages, everything is building, etc. The senior- junior relationships in general, in terms of support for moots and other things, is developing slowly. Ragging and bullying scenes do not exist, but it's not the best because I've seen the culture at NUJS, NLS, etc., and it's better, but we are definitely getting there.
1. Location advantage- A lot of people sell this and it has become the buzzword for mnlu Mumbai, so I'll be completely honest. In terms of internships, there is absolutely a location advantage, especially with the old policy. I have interned six months out of the 12 in the past one year and I could have done more solely because it was so convenient for me because I live in Bombay and I could intern with college. It's also significantly cheaper. Even without the internship policy, in the internship months, it's significantly cheaper to live in the hostel and intern from there as compared to any other accommodation in Bombay, which is quite expensive. In general, we also have partners, etc., coming for competitions, for lectures, etc. There are also a lot of conferences, etc., organized by firms and other organizations, which are mostly in Bombay, so we do get the opportunity to attend them if one wants to. There is also no shock value, so while interning, we can completely focus on interning. Most importantly, it's extremely safe. Everything is quite accessible and Bombay as a city obviously has its pros and cons, so those come in.
1. Performance in Extracurriculars- we have been doing exceptionally well in Extracurriculars, especially Moot Courts and ADR. For the past two years, our Stetson and Jessup team has been qualifying for the World Rounds. In terms of negotiation also, we had a complete win at NLS NMC last year in all categories. We also won the NLUO negotiation competition, Jindal Khaitan negotiation competition this year. So, they've been doing quite well like that because of the senior-junior support system that has been increasing, because guidance is a very big part of it.
1. Campus- okay. Now, this is a little tricky because earlier we had one hostel building and one college building right opposite each other in Hiranandani. So, we never really felt the need of a campus, but you can't miss what you never had, I guess lol. But Hiranandani was a very lush, elite, safe locality. So, it was great and there were almost no complaints other than small irritants here and there. Like, late night, there was no place where we could actually study, etc. after 12 because the college closed and there was no common area other than the mess in the hostel. But the situation has completely changed now because now we live in the YourSpace hostel which is in a different locality which is not as good as Hiranandani and it's around 20 minutes away by road. So, there are buses arranged. I have been told that the new campus which is in oshiwara Goregaon is being built right now. I don't know how much time that will take though
2. Firm perception- Now this is very important because HR perception really matters in terms of hiring etc. We see that a lot of colleges have long-term relationships with firms like NLUO- saraf etc. MNLU has had a great relationship with a few firms like NDA. NDA has been partnering with Mediation Bombay which is the med-neg competition organized by the college for years now. Other than that we have seen great responses from CAM, SAM, khaitan, SNR in terms of giving internships and PPOs to MNLU students. So it's not like they're dying to give us jobs but they're not averse to us either.
3.
Overall, it's a very new college, still in its building phase. Things might feel unorganized, but that’s expected as people find their footing. With time, as structures and SOPs fall into place, it has the potential to do really well. Given its limited resources, the college has been managing well—especially considering it's in Bombay, where the energy and hustle are undeniable. I don’t want to romanticize it, but the city's spirit is real, and it naturally pushes you to keep moving. Ultimately, the choice is yours.
All of us have dozed off in court now and then, but if it's a habit then judges will start to notice. Other lawyers won't really care - unless, of course, it's a senior lawyer you are briefing. Some tips to deal with this:
(i) Try not to sit for extended periods in court. Stroll near the vicinity of the courtroom to stay awake and keep any eye on the board;
(ii) Avoid heavy lunches;
(iii) Stay hydrated.
1. Placements- arguably the nost imp consideration. mnlu does not have a day zero scene yet, however i think we might in the next 2 years. Reason- firms simply dont want to take peoplw theough a 10 min intervirew from a college in mumbai when these srudents can intern and be asessed it foesnt have enough face valut yet for firms to be blindingly taking people.
sam, cam, khaitan, s&r all pick up 2-6 (variable, ewnds on firm) people each, every year from the 4th year. they get a fair chabce of proving yheir metal and labding a ppo.
In terma of jobs for the bo 25- around 30 odd people are placed - ppo + campus placement (some firms and companies do come yo conapuw but not on a single day- they come throughout the year)
In my bathc, a lot of us have cbs grom t1s, and potentially are expecting ppos to roll in soon
2. campus- v important consideration given that mnlu currently doesnt have one. We use the mtnl building as our college, and the hostel is yourspace a lil far (bueses arranged by college). earlier we had a hostel bulding right opposite oue college so we jever felt the need of a campuw per say (you cant miss what youve nver had lol) but now we do. Earlier the hostek+ college were both in hiranandani powai- an elite, lush neighbourhood, now the histek is un kanjurmarg- yoursoace has great services - acs, kitchen on every floor but the locality is not that great,.
The sports commutte rents out places for matches and out sports fests etc. Hostel is a 25 min local away from parel, and 40 mins from cst very cery possible to intern.
Admin - seguing from the last point, until now we got 1 month of exemption from college every sem to ibtern and students mostly missed another month on yheir own (while still meeting 70% criteria). now this has changed. studrnta can only miss 18 classes a sem - which means interning even once is a lil teicku because it means not taking a sinhle leave
overall, its not as problematic and nluo etc., but its v nascent they j dont have an sop yet. so they do fuck up here and there. overall, they’re fine but can be better
faculty- not very great. most are undersatnfing and all but barring a few (4-5) notable exceltions, dont expect brilliance. mediocre.
culture- this is j the 5th batch passing out, wo uou can imagine there isnt a very steing culture yet- everything’s very new gut goung in the rughr direftion no bullying and all that crap senior juniot support in terms of moots and othet things improving w time but jot thete yet. Likw most mid tier nlus we have a fest- local norhing fancy but fun. we have our fun because bombay ofc
location advantage- honestly, it does exist. It defo was felt more w the old pokicy- i have interned 6 months in the past one year 4 of which were during college. with the new policy too, the hostel is considerably cheaper than other acco in mumbai so its overall cheaper to intern and all + you get used to bombay so no shock value, we do have guest lectutea and all from partners often + competitions itganized by college and all
Why I’m asking - T2 firm, less office space, hiring spree.
Just wondering, what if they find someone better than me or something?
Nobody respects her team in the Tier 1 circuit.
And speaking of "state universities", Oxford and Cambridge are public universities - as are all the good London places and other British law schools worth studying at. You know how much they make their (home/domestic/British) students pay for law degrees that are three (maximum four) years in length? They used to make them pay £9,250 (INR 925,000) per year, now they have raised it, with the government's blessing, to £9,535/year (INR 953,500). People who have done the calculations have confirmed that this tuition fee raise the British government allowed isn't enough to cover universities' needs properly, and that ideally, they should have been allowed to raise it to £12,000/year (in line with inflation) in 2025-26.
The point? A good education costs a lot. You people are so entitled, it's frankly frustrating. Most of you aren't in a position where you can't pay. If you are, the uni could help you. You're just entitled pricks who think your opportunity to receive the best legal education India has to offer - a chance many would die for - is a joke. TBH, I don't mind you wasting this opportunity, it at least reduces the competition for the genuinely hard-working, and alright, you are entitled to your opinion.
Some people (the TLC lobby) who use you as useful idiots tell you to spread a story of your VC being a Lee Kuan Yew-style autocrat? Well, here's where the guy should be autocratic - the fact he isn't being is a sign of how measured he is and how much mental stamina he has to put up with bullshit. He should just, in one fell swoop, teach you guys - all of you who just waste time complaining and bitching and not working - a lesson and shoot the fees up, for you and you only, to the amount that was recommended (but not implemented) for the British universities - meaning you would have to pay, for your legal education only, the equivalent, in Indian Rupees, of £12,000 per year.
PS: You actually wanna complain about something? Here's a tip for free. Why don't talented students in India receive meaningful support financially from the state to read for a degree at university? Why aren't taxpayer sacrifices invested into India's young people? Why don't you do street protests for that instead?
Help a brother out.
Thanks in advance!
If you are decent, you will do great for yourself
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If I write a fresh Written Submission, my senior rejects it, saying, "use the language of the Petition." But if I use the language of the Petition, the submissions become bulky. I have revised my draft multiple times, yet I still do not feel fully convinced about it.
How do we approach this situation?
Please :
1. Don't state that in 5 years, you will get a placement that will make you pay the entire course fee in 3-2 years.
2. Don't state you will get financial aids. I have no hopes from any institutions (Harvard/MIT) that even give aids to poor. Scholarships are reserved for rich and the loop goes on.
3. Don't please say, you will get loans easily.
My question is simple:
What service are they providing so good or how do they justify charging so high in an increased batch size? Are they providing us with MIT labs/research hubs/medical equipments/tech softwares/IIT toolkits, that makes it feasible and justified to have this amount?
With increasing scale of business, the costs should reduce. Not go high. That is called economies of scale. With increased batch size and library facilities, the cost should be overall only 2-2.5 for a year max.
Why do we Indian invest in degrees in anticipation of returns? We need to pay just for the services we are being offered, not for the ROI or placements that we might achieve in future. That is dumb. What if I die after the 5 year? How will our families repay? What if I just want to learn law for 5 years and only pay that much what did deserves because I want to sit idle or do something different say Photography or cinematography after law? How will I or anyone do that when already in this "anticipation burden of ROI".
Universities including IIMs charging so high, need to realise that they need to only charge that much for the service they provide. They give us a rate card showcasing the ROI we might achieve in "future". That is basically scam, that is what Byjus Did. He showed the amount that they might achieve in future, and put that as profits. That is resolutely a trap.
Please answer this question analytically.