Lmao, get out of your bubble dude. Lawyers would never get the same amount of respect or recognition as people from tech and people who actually run successful companies and have an impact. This is understandable since lawyers are essentially paper pushers.

I won't even bother to waste my time and explain things further. Your statement regarding Nikhil Kamath clearly shows you are simply out of touch with reality.

I will be fair and honest. Being a top rank holder does not guarantee anything. People would be amazed to know that many of such top rank holders turn out to be so academically inclined that the practical nuances of everyday law do not appease them. So much so that many of the toppers went on to either leave law and pursue other courses or chose alternate careers.

PS - By no means am I saying that being a top rank holder is bad or being academically inclined poses any disadvantages. In fact, I would actually be elated if even one-tenth of this batch takes up academia. The current law school ecosystem barely teaches anything to the otherwise comparatively smarter generation of students.

1. H.H. Varma - convicted Rahul Gandhi (MP)

2. Abhay M. Thipsay - convicted Amit Shah in S.S. fake encounter case

3. John Michael D'Cunha - convicted Jayalalita (CM of TN)

4. Ravindra Joshi- convicted Salman Khan

5. Shiv Pal Singh - convicted Lalu P. Yadav (CM of Bihar & Railway Minister & MP)

6. Ram Krishna Rai - convicted Anand Mohan (MP Lok Sabha from Bihar)

7. Jagdeep Singh - convicted Ram Rahim

8. Madhu Sudhan Sharma - convicted Asaram

9. Yogesh Khanna - convicted Nirbhaya rape accused

10. Durgesh - convicted Afzal Ansari (MP from Ghazipur)

11. Nishant Mann - convicted Azam Kham (MLA from Rampur)

12. Gopal Upadhaya - convicted Vikram Singh Saini (MLA from Khatauli)

13. JPS Mallik - convicted Rasheed Masood (MP Rajya Sabha)

MARTYERD WHILE SERVING (Special Rockstars)

1. B.H. Loya (also known as Justice Loya)

2. Uttam Anand

P.S.: These are few, many more in the list. Let's expand the list

Umm...aren't tradwives TikTok girls who get married at 20 and cosplay women from the 1950s?

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/27/us/tradwife-1950s-nostalgia-tiktok-cec/index.html

What does this have to do with law firm resignations by women? They resign for entirely different reasons. They want to stop working as slaves.

What exactly is your question ? I was not in Pranav’s batch- I was one batch junior and I wasn’t a direct competitor and it’s not about being jealous of him ! All of my interactions with the guy were pleasant. It’s about this rockstar BS! It’s about saying he’s the best professor after two years which is really ungrateful to the man who has contributed the most to institution building and raising the standard of education at the university. Nalsar has never given Sid C his due as an institution and it’s sad to see students do this too. Really- if you know Pranav go and ask him who the best professor is - I’d bet money that he’d say sidc

They do not. Do you see 30 something Rhodes scholars every year because that’s how many gold medalists there are. You see one Rhodes scholar once in a 6-7 years. The last one was 8 years ago. And they didn’t get Rhodes because they had gold medals. She applied for Rhodes at the end of her fourth year / beginning of fifth year. No one had gold medals. Gold medals are given out at convocation. The Rhodes committee would care more about your overall GPA and consistency than they would about whether you managed to get first in one subject.

Don’t get your causation mixed up with correlation. Just because most Rhodes scholars are good students who probably did get several gold medals ( cause Rhodes looks for good students with high GPAs) doesn’t mean that a gold medal is enough to get you Rhodes.

I might look at the weather forecast and carry an umbrella and it may rain on me. But that doesn’t mean me carrying an umbrella made it rain.

And please tell me you’re not comparing judiciary exams or GMAT to a Rhodes scholarship in terms of difficulty. Hundreds of lawyers manage to crack those every year. How many Law students get a Rhodes scholarship ?

And a TC is an achievement - but is still more common . There consistently have been 3-4 TCs a year.

This decision does not affect the associates. It only affects the partners.

Also, an initial discussion was had with the Senior Partners joining from Luthra and the top management. It was discussed that folks joining from L&L will meet their team costs for the year, DSK does not expect them to be profitable instantly. Thus, DSK top management allowed for the entire last FY to meet team costs and get adjusted. However, the new teams were not even able to meet half of the team costs... This continued into the recovery for April and May, after which this decision was taken.

Careful: any criticism of the WB govt, or oblique reference to corruption in jobs, triggers the TMC IT cell — oops, I mean “think tank” — people here! 🙂 One of the comments is already challenging your claim about non-publication of results! Anyway, my advice is as follows:

1. I would advise you to consider an MBA or PGDM, as the diversity of career options is greater. The fact that you studied history could indicate that maths is not your forte, but these days women get preference for admission in MBA courses. You can aim for IIM + SP Jain + IIT+ Jamnalal Bajaj + MICA + FMS + FORE. A few others too.

2. If you are unable to secure admission to the above colleges, only then consider NLSIU for a 3 year LLB.

Caveat: I am assuming you belong to the general quota. If not, then keep trying for government jobs. Something is guaranteed to work out.

wonder when all of this will stop. Also, doing international moots is as much a function of privilege as it is of the college you belong to. There are so many smart people who simply cannot afford to do international moots. In this regard, we should be learning from colleges like NLUD. Anyone who says that the graduate outcomes of these top 6-7 colleges are vastly different is probably kidding himself/herself. We all can acknowledge the randomness of CLAT as we get closer to the 98/99 percentile. Best would be to learn from each other and unite against incompetent administrations in certain colleges.

The fee at Jindal is less than the fee at many IB schools, plus law schools like IIM Rohtak and BITS. So I don’t get the whining. Jindal is typically meant for students belonging to families earning at least 40 lakhs upwards a year, with bank savings of at least 4-5 crores. For such families, a degree worth 60 lakhs is easily affordable and most can also afford a foreign LLM in addition. If your family is outside this financial bracket, then go to an NLU or TLC. Simple.

The Indian T1 law firms pay much more as you rise the ranks and compare the purchasing parity with your London colleagues. Further, the myth is that work life balance is much much better at the foreign law firms but that is not very true (which I speak from experience); so it is more plausible to slave off until 50 in Mumbai, Delhi or Bengaluru for the sake of convenience after factoring every facet hereto. Lastly, nobody really cares about prestige - you have to let go of family and friends since the only "family and friends" you will have are MDs, CFOs, Investment Bankers, HNIs and In-House Legal Counsels who will bug you for the final draft with an imaginary timeline your entire life. This will ruin your health (both mental and physical) and push you towards depression/ADHD & what not.

Find out who the HR head is. Find some connect with said Head. Doggedly pursue said Head and aim for a one-on-one meet with said Head over drinks. If your drink session goes well, you can continue to ply him/her with booze, women/men and other vices of his/her choice and in one of those inebriated moments, offer hafta for job. This is quite widespread and is a fool proof tactic. Look at TCS. This scam was in operation for over 20 years and finally was unearthed when the HR Head was anyway reaching superannuation. All the best. Be creative and think out of the box.

Lmao no way. The theory is like - “I have studied in the best law college in India during my time , now it’s time for my son/daughter to get IVY league education.” But well there are still powerful people like Assam cm’s son who go to NLS for his education. So not bad after all

You are not thinking too much. The collective intellect of NLUs combined have gone down. Nowadays getting a tier-1 job is an achievement because well it caters to short term pleasure and to be honest getting jobs at magic circle law firms requires one to be determined and in most cases a batch topper.

I never claimed that we are the best in Legal Education. Indeed institutions which were established before us deserve respect in this regard.

My claim was that "MNLU Nagpur has the best infrastructure (subject to completion of the construction) obviously in the prospective campus.

You're right, Infrastructure may or may not mean quality legal education but that was not even my claim. Nowhere did I say or claim so. Also, with regard to NIRF I said, They significantly consider the Campus and infrastructure in their rankings. Don't misconstrue this to mean that MNLU will top the rankings. No ... But it'll see significant progress in the rankings i.e. it won't be where it's now after the completion of the construction (certainly in that particular regard of infrastructure).

My policy is not to make unreasonable claims. But that doesn't mean what deserves attention would be left undiscussed.

The fact that MNLU Nagpur will have the best infrastructure is certainly very clear as the construction work finishes.

Quality legal education was not my claim and My claim was that of Best Infrastructure in MNLU Nagpur.

Quality legal education could be a different debate which deserves a separate thread. You may see that this thread is particularly about placements and campus (which means Infrastructure too to some extent) at MNLU Nagpur.

Peace ✌️

"Never heard of a woman at nalsar being worshipped by juniors"!?

You must have lived in a very different time then. Off the top of my head: Sadhika, Oorvi, Priyamvada & in recent times, Rhea. Half our batches used to fangirl over them & their credentials — and mind you, I have been a BH resident.

I'm nowhere denying the existence of misogyny anywhere in the world — but to use such an extreme and untrue example doesn't help your case. We've run behind Prof. Dhanda for an insanely long time, and off late, professors like Aakanksha Kumar & Sahana Ramesh have commanded a great amount of respect, quite probably more than Pranav did.

So let's not get triggered by a random word, yea?

I don't think you have visited the campus yet; I graduated from this place two months ago. Forget the LGBT hostels, only one girls and one boys hostel has been made, which is presently unable to cater to the number of students. So the new first year students from the Justicing course as well as the LLM people are put up in a housing society around half and hour away (this place served as the temporary hostel before shifting to campus). Construction for the new hostel buildings hasn't even started so this arrangement will have to continue for a couple of years. Now the present hostel buildings on campus have a plethora of problems of their own, the biggest of them being its water quality. For the semester that started in July last year, we couldn't survive with the water being supplied and the hostels were emptied by Independence Day - exams were then conducted online as students went home. Drinking water at this point was being brought in those big cans, but they compromised on quality over there as well and took on some local brand, people then fell sick. They have some big water filtration plant underground, but it doesn't seem to be very efficient.

Another big problem is the reliance on electricity. All motors, filtration systems and water taps (fully sensor based) etc. work only if there is electricity. And of course the electric supply isn't 24*7, so whenever it goes out, the water goes too. We even had to go to the Academic Block to do our stuff because the water supply there is constant.

The hostel fees has charged money for aur conditioning but we didn't get any. They didn't give coolers as a substitute either, we had to get them ourselves. Lifts are not maintained either, people have been stuck there all night in some instances.

There is active construction on campus, involving heavy vehicle movement and cement mixing plants, which deteriorate the air quality rapidly. No water spraying is done, as is required, to settle the pollution and dust. This caused a lot of respiratory issues to students over the past year and physicians have identified the pollution on campus as the reason behind this.

There are many such issues.. and the overall issue with the infra is that the best part of it exists only in the designs. The designs aren't very practical - like not having water tanks on top of buildings, rather keeping them underground so that a motor will be required to pump it up. The land alloted for the campus is quite large, but the design still doesnt leave too many open spaces for kids to enjoy.

Greedy McGreedson? That's your best argument? LOL, Noojies should really introspect. You have no basis to claim NUJS is better than NLUD but yet you put up these pathetic arguments? And NUJS won't be sold because no one's buying it except the folks that don't have choice to choose a better place.

Look you can stoke the rivalry nonsense all you like. But atleast don't spew misinformation. NLUD has won way more prestigious moots/ADRs/debates than NUJS. Just look at even the erstwhile Mooting Premier League tables, NLUD has almost always ranked ahead of NUJS. Our litigation scene is way better than NUJS. We actually have batch toppers doing that unlike you guys where batch toppers go join only corp firms or LLMs. And don't even get me started on LLM scholarships and policy, that's also just as good. And if I am being honest, we'd much rather not have your LawSikho as a model of great entrepreneurship examples by our alumni.

The men are happy to leave their babies at home to go to a toxic workplace. This is almost as bad as the bullshit science above it. The answer is simple. If firms and marriages were less toxic, both partners would keep decent hours and co-parent. They would both progress gradually until the kid is old enough to be independent.

No one has loyalty. Some people stay because of family or because they get what they need from the institution or the city. A wise leader ensures that there are incentives for good people to come and stay. There were plenty of corrupt people playing games in NUJS. They were not staying out of loyalty. They just learned to manipulate that system and were not so confident they could do the same elsewhere. And there were decent people also whose personal lives or professional opportunities in Calcutta suited them.

Thanks for sharing. The original comment is technically correct but wrong in substance. Here are the two merit lists for NLUJ and NUJS:

https://s3.ap-south-1.amazonaws.com/files2023.consortiumofnlus.ac.in/list5/UG-TheWestBengalNationalUniversityofJuridicalSciencesWBNUJSKolkata.pdf

https://s3.ap-south-1.amazonaws.com/files2023.consortiumofnlus.ac.in/list5/UG-NationalLawUniversityNLUJodhpur.pdf

NUJS clearly has a higher average AIR in the general category and the bottom cut-off in NUJS' general category is 256, at NLU-J it's 378.

But yes, a 70 and 75 rank have opted for NLU-J this year, but that's not even in the NUJS 'ranks' but actually within the NLSIU cut-off.

Renaming thread title for accuracy.

If you want to end up with a high paying job at an established law firm, remember that Jindal's shot to fame lies in its quality of faculty, not placements. Do a basic LinkedIn search and you'll come across tens of 2023 graduates from Jindal with extremely high CGPAs still being unemployed even after trying everything. The ones below a relatively high GPA are not even allowed to sit for placements to begin with!

Additionally, a huge number of people lose their scholarship in Jindal for any number of reasons because the policy is created that way — getting the scholarship is easy, retaining it all the way is not.

As such, even if you have the money, I'd highly recommend re-taking CLAT under better coaching mentors and utilising your privileged command on English to eventually end up at an established NLU that opens up many more options for you.

Getting 3 year LLB in NLSIU is very easy compared to LLB, it's just like LLM admission. There comes the problem - how would the placements be. 5 Year LLB has great placements, but LLM - rarely any big ones.

The question is whether 3 Year LLB be just another LLM like course while the legacy 5 years program continues to be the elite one. Even the current elite 5 year LLB in NLSIU lost its value because of increasing seats and caste reservations.

I've heard ALG is expanding, they're taking in trainees, the form is a bit lengthy though. There are a few smaller places that are also hiring. Honestly, I haven't seen IP places hire as much, but if you're on the lookout you'll find a few places. Helps to know people in some of these firms, those who are in a similar boat as you.

Sorry to say but NLUJ is already ahead of them. Yes this information makes it more clear. But look at it , I have two close frnds studying there and it’s common knowledge that NLUJ doesn’t have domicile reservation whereas nujs even brings ppl till 800 and they are good in number. Also NLUJ has historically brought more TCS than nujs. It’s just that nujs is established earlier and it being in the heart of Kolkata has made it better than NLUJ.

I don’t know why the moderator has marked this contested. Y’all can check the link if you ppl want - https://consortiumofnlus.ac.in/clat-2023/fifth-list.html

Can the moderator be any more from nujs?

Patiala is 70 km from Chandigarh. If we talk about the campus, it is 15 km away from the main city. Raipur is much better in terms of location. It has got an international airport as well as a railway station with seamless connectivity across the length and breadth of India. Patiala's connectivity is shitty as there is no way to travel to Patiala by a direct flight or train. You will have to take a bus from either Ambala or Chandigarh.

Campus placement: only tier 1 and a few top private colleges

But if you look at partner promotions in 2022 or 23, it will be 50% NLU and 50% everyone else (averages out there, I checked)

This is because many successful lawyers in tier 1 law firms come through lateral hires from smaller law firms

50% of NLU campus recruited folks will leave in less than 12 months, more before 2 years are over

Law firms will then raid smaller law firms looking for experienced people

Those people make partner as often as the privileged top NLU kids

Its just a different route

Also plenty of non NLU people make it by doing long term internships, something that NLU grads don’t want to tell you

I am currently a T-1 law school student who has interned quite extensively. everywhere that I go, my fellow interns just rave about getting a job at a T-1 law firm. It's getting to the point where I feel that we are aiming for very little despite working really hard in law school for 5 straight years.

In the grand scheme of things, Indian t-1 firms are not even in the top 100 law firms of the world and practically nobody outside of law knows about these organisations. I am not trying to be disrespectful, I am aware of the kind of work it takes to build such firms but why are students not aiming for the likes of Kirkland, Weil, Skadden, Linklaters etc? I am aware that in the longer term India is better when it comes to pay but it's another ballgame when you say that you are a corporate lawyer in London. Do people not understand the prestige it carries? Am I thinking too much or is everybody else crazy? I mean, let's face it, nobody would pick a Tier 1 indian firm over Kirkland or Clifford chance if given the choice.

Hi, i am from the '24 batch and i will give you my honest review:

1. the campus itself is good, far from the city but manageable. mess food is just fine, u have fairly good access to stores, although it cant be termed convenient per se

2. though hyd, weather on campus is p good except the peak summer months apr-may

3. faculty is very very very sub-par

- most faculty treat teaching as a side job and pursue their phds on the side

- its very common for faculty leave mid-sem and that creates a lot of hassle and disruption

- majority of faculty is made up of 24-28 year olds, who are easier to interact with but the lack of experience is very apparent. many of my questions, esp in subjects like consti and admin go unanswered.

i'm sure the profs are all well-intentioned and trying their best but the college should strive harder to attract good faculty, build a good base and retain the most experienced and beloved profs.

4. student base is good. there is good chunk of students in every batch that places well in national moots. peers are quite competitive and motivated to do well.

5. as someone inclined towards research and writing, i personally found that my peers are not too interested in it. there is almost nobody with good publications anywhere so i wish the college did more in that area

6. t&p cell is the weakest link. no proper planning, no strategising whatsoever to help out students. however, i have heard from friends in the t&p cell that they are trying their best. the biggest disadvantage of sls-h is that its quite new.

Some of you entitled Investment Bankers sadly do not understand what we say and then wonder why we billed extra hours for making you understand a simple ICDR framework. Also, let us know which is the firm that was a pleasure to work with according to your past experience(s), this will help everyone.

I will be interning at a T1 Law Firm (not disclosing the name due to privacy reasons) sometime this year with the Disputes Team in Mumbai.

Does anyone have any tips as to how to go about the internship to make the best possible impression to secure a callback/PPO?

I understand its not guaranteed and I shouldn't be pressuring myself even before the internship has begun but I want to perform my best atleast as its my first T1 Internship.

Tips are appreciated. Thank you so much!

What changes did Ved Kumari and Rangeen Bring?

implementing new exam policy where only endsems will be conducted, which have no criteria for marking?

Bringing 3 year llb, which they brought in hurry and made joke of their own by admitting them through graduation marks?

Bringing new hostel policy in which the local students will be kicked out of the hostel??

They may be good professor but a bad administrator.

They do everything without planning and in a haste.

And are they really that good cause all of your student body is against them and organising a protest against them?

No one stood against prof. Faizan?? Why ?? Because he was a good administrator and good professor.

My sincere request to NLU students is to try and be like IIT, IIM and NIFT, i.e. apolitical and more focused on internships and careers. Please do not be like JNU. Politicisation of the campus will harm the reputation of NLUs. Regarding the 2024 elections, by all means discuss with friends but do not bring political activism inside the campus. India is on course to become the world's third-largest economy by 2026. It is vital that students participate positively in this growth rather than derail it through disruptive activities.