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Additionally, I would love to know which specialization and subdomains you would have chosen for a career in law and why?
PS: I do understand that with the right opportunities each one of them is a wonderful area to pursue but in a not so ideal environment, which one is a safer bet?
Who am I kidding, I didn't score as much as you did in my first attempt. That's a good rank to start with, if possible avoid these private colleges and get an okayish college to attempt again.
Maybe you my missed the part where I said that they would 'probably' get a T-2 NLU, there is a possibility they won't.
No worries mate! As you've said, we're all learning here :)
For anything to really change, there has to be consensus that there is a real potential in the Indian legal talent among leading law firms.
What could change:
1. More opportunities for corporate lawyers in all their respective domains.
2. More opportunities = more intake of law graduates.
3. I speculate that the income increase would only be offered by a few select foreign firms that are willing to pay the big bucks to attract the cream of the crop of law graduates, Indian law firms might follow suit depending on the availability of the desired law graduates.
And trust me, giving a paper as a dropper is not the same as giving it as a fresher.
I can figure that you are also not good at CR since your reasoning is somewhat flawed hehe. People from top international schools struggling to score more than 80% doesn't prove my point that "they perform better" wrong; what if students from less equipped schools score even less than that?
What I meant to say is that it's competitively easier for them to ace. It doesn't matter if their accuracy is 10%, if that 10% gets them a good rank, then that's all that matters.
I think b, it is believed that time seems to go by more quickly when someone is in their 40s, thus causing a panic because you failed to do all those things you once thought you would've already done by your current age and there isn't enough time left to do them all.
THIS IS BIG.
It is still a long way from the liberalisation of the Indian legal sector, but it's definitely a step in a positive direction. This could genuinely open so many opportunities for corporate lawyers. UK & US firms would most probably expand to India for doing their work at cheaper rates, this could also mean that the demand for international law experts are bound to increase. As far as I can infer, they will be allowed to practice on transactional or corporate work such as joint ventures, mergers and acquisitions, intellectual property matters, drafting of contracts, and other related matters, while excluding litigious matters.
What do law firm peeps think of this?
You're high frrr!
Suppose we ask someone from a government school to prepare for CLAT for a whole year and attempt it, chances are that he'll probably fail. But if we ask someone from one of the best English medium schools to prepare for it in two months, he would probably crack a T-2 at least.
But if you ask both of them to study for JEE, chances are that the former would perform better given the extra time. That's because JEE is a purely aptitude-based examination where skill has a negligent role to play.
As someone from a PCM background who has given CLAT thrice, I'd say that for me CLAT came out to be a tougher examination, but that's because I've never really worked on my reading. For a person who has been an avid reader, it might have been a cake walk for him.
The answer is quite simple, it depends on person to person. But yeah, objectively, JEE seems to be much more competitive.
What a joke this institution turned out to be, really sad for people that went to study there. I tried warning though :(
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/235375-bar-council-iiuler-goa-entrace-test-on-4-september-this-is-huge-why-is-no-one-talking-about-this#comment-235415
It was a subscription based model that could make all the ott content available at a cheaper rate which the customer paid.
He was running no torrent circuit, it was a proper streaming set-up. I don't know of any platforms that could stream all the movies and tv series' in my TV, that service itself is quite valuable.
But on a serious note, I don't think that the current mod is doing justice to the role. He is basically doing nothing to increase the reachβno collaborations, no competitions, nothing.
They're not even rolling out the envisioned plan for the website, where there could've been tags for queries raised, for example: "corporate lawyers", "litigation", "law school", "politics", etc.
I know that there are some legal issues with publishing news, but that shouldn't stop them from conducting survey-oriented polls that could atleast keep the audience engaged, like what OS do they use or what should be the golden number for retiring according to the folks here. So much potential seems to go in vain ngl.
PS: I'm not the OP but even I was wondering if there could've been a way to intern at LI.
You'll encounter a lot of people saying take only the top 3 or top 5, honestly, they're too privileged to empathise with your situation. With unemployment on the rise and a projected recession on the way, I don't think that it's a smart choice to be in an institution where a T-1 placement is unheard of. Think for yourself, be pragmatic, and don't shy away from opportunities.
Although it might seem conflicting, CLAT is a shitty exam, and you can't really keep all your eggs in one basket. Try maintaining your grades as best as you can since there is no saying that you'll get a good rank. Considering your mental state has seen better days, don't take on too much pressure, have a clear mindset, and make a list of alternatives that you could do after your degree in case you don't do well in CLAT.
Lastly, as a fellow exam-taker, I'm here to resolve any future queries you might have.
FTR, Kian is the owner of LegallyIndia.com; being the moderator would result in being subordinate to him.
Although I wonder, kisne phuk ke baithi hai...
I'm surprised how everyone thinks that Foundation is difficult, the academics might be but cracking it is a piece of cake against CLAT which has a 2.5% passing rate that too for a T-3 NLU (its 0.75% for T-1).
Bada heavy wala nasha hua hai sir ji π¨
I've researched about the budgets of different NLUs and surprisingly found some institutions being very open about it, while others being excessively secretive about it.
Here are some findings:
NALSAR 2020 (15 crore)
NUJS 2017 (1.41 crores)
Couldn't find newer ones.
NLUD 2022 (10.5 crores- Revised ;14 crores- Estimated) (Most well-maintained records)
NLUJ 2020 (0.5 crore)
NLIU 2022 (28.5 crores- Total Receipts)
HNLU 2021 (13 crore)
NLUO 2020 (0.4972438 crore)
TNNLU 2020 (13.8 crores- Total Receipts Estimate)
RGNUL 2022 (wasn't able to find govt. funds exclusively, they're included in the net revenue receipts) (23.03 crores- Net revenue receipts)
I wasn't able to find any data for GNLU and RMNLU. And I've noticed a sharp decline in the data after COVID; budgets after 2020 were hard to find.
To be honest, the funds from the government are not the sole representation of its economic strength. The fee, batch sizes, number of programmes offered, and allocation of funds also play a major role; some NLUs also rely on interest from fixed deposits. Some NLUs are hugely in surplus, while others are in deficit.
PS: @LegallyIndia I tried attaching the documents too in the form of images but it was giving errors, didn't you specifically said that we're allowed to paste images while announcing the revamped site?
Although there are some requisites that you need to satisfy before making the decision, you should be genuinely interested in the course apart from all the hype. Even if it's the most dead thing in the world, if you're passionate about it, you should follow it, so try to see past the hype.
NLIU is by far a better institution to study at; if you believe that BSc LLB is not as good as BA LLB, you may be mistaken, as GNLU also offers BCom LLB, BBA LLB, BSW LLB, and BSc LLB, and it doesn't have any problems placing its batch despite the diverse courses offered.
At the end of the day, your interest in the subject is paramount, and there is no substitute for it.
PS: Sorry for the delay; I already wrote the comment before, but to my surprise, I forgot to post it ;D
Atleast the batch strength is of use somewhere π
There are 13 All-India unreserved seats, other 47 seats are reserved in this course. This particular batch matrix drastically decreases the quality, other than that it's a decent course since NLIU has had a background in specialised LLM in cybersecurity. If any NLU is qualified enough to start this course it is NLIU, they even have Rajiv Gandhi National Cyber Law Centre.
I placed it above B.A. LL.B. in NLIU as I had conviction in myself that I'll do good regardless of my batch and an inherent interest in the subjects concerned, if you're sceptical about the prospects then B.A. LL.B. in NLIU would be a safer bet. Goodluck!
Although, I get the feeling that you might have a reservation of some kind from the tone of your query (speculative). Supposing that you're having OBC reservation, you would require a rank of under 500 which is quite doable if you ask me (increasing your passing rate by 735%~0.029). If you're from any other category then it gets even better i.e. EWS, SC, ST, PwD, etc. (yes, there are more).
All in all, you can definitely consider if you have a reservation of some sort and believe that you have got the potential of cracking a better NLU.
a) try to get the judge to recuse themself (good luck), or
b) try to convince the judge of your position with the force of your argument and/or facts.
With the analogy you've presented, the following are the roles:
OP: Prosecution*
Commentator: Defendant*
Moderator: Judge
But you failed to take account of the LI audience, they're the Jury. A judge's role is to explain the principle of the matter to the Jury rather than expressing obiter dictum. If need be, the principle should always be in a neutral tone rather than taking sides, and let the Jury give verdict of what goes and what doesn't.
>b) not allowing any borderline hateful, low-effort shitposts to stand unopposed, but to do the job of, you know, an interviewer or a moderator who takes their job seriously, and provides some intellectual pushback to some of the arguments made, to encourage a debate (which is the point of LI)
A totally valid point, but what difference would it make if you rather use a side account to infiltrate all your biases and opinions like us i.e. Chichi Ban, Ashlesha, Hayabusa wala, etc.? A moderator actively being on the left side of the spectrum gives a wrong impression to the userbase, it becomes more of a 'Chichi Ban vs. Legally India' rather than 2 individuals debating about something.
I hope you get my point, regardless of which I've always been a fan of your perspectives and I profoundly enjoy reading them. Cheers!
In the past couple of weeks, I've noticed a distinct change in moderation.
I don't know if it's the controversial topics popping up that made me feel this or not, but LI has definitely been more active in sharing what 'they' believe is true which was not the case earlier.
For me, moderation was about censoring the derogatory, factually incorrect, and targeting nature of comments rather than censoring comments which fall on the other end of the spectrum of what mods believe to be true/un-woke. There are incidents where comments have been censored because they MIGHT offend someone, imo it's a vague reason for oppressing an opinion.
Should moderation be allowed to actively participate in sharing of opinions?
I personally do not think that's fair considering it is the regulating authority, it should be unbiased towards everyone despite the person's ideology not being in consonance with LI's ideology.
To which LI might argue that they allow every comment which is logically sound and all, no. As long as an authority is displaying its bias, it is no longer an unbiased medium to share opinions. I'll cite the threads to support my argument.
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/240820-The-Wire-vs-Meta-Who-is-giving-fake-news-and-who-is-telling-the-truth- [All the comments by LI have been opinionated, so far as to mock everyone in the comment 5.1 for being indifferent]
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/240601-Dating-Advice-needed-Can-not-so-good-looking-girls-hope-to-date-good-looking-guys- [In comment 5.1.1 LI is being the judge of what represents the real world and what doesn't to Playboy PA]
https://www.legallyindia.com/convos/topic/240115-2-conservative-US-circuit-judges-refuse-to-take-Yale-law-clerks-after-students-disrupt-free-speech-panel-Fox-News [All the comments made by LI has been heavily opinionated and targeted the audience having contrasted beliefs]
There were more of these incidents, but unfortunately, I wasn't able to keep track of them all.
I still can't understand the reason for an opinionated moderator. Ngl he/she seems like a reasonable person who always contributes to threads when he/she can, and stimulates interactions. You can still comment I mean from an alias or something like that.
1. I would appreciate it if someone could explain what an ideal CV should look like.
2. Do certificate courses make a difference considering they're in the same domain? If yes, what are some of the good ones? (I heard about a company law course for enthusiasts at 'Bettering Results', is it any good?)
3. Do blogs and articles help?
4. Is it advisable to volunteer for social causes for the sake of having it on your CV?
5. Should one expand LinkedIn connections?
6. Would you have a better or equal chance of securing an internships if you've got a good grasp and experience in the practice area rather than an all over star-studded CV.
Thank you OP for providing me a space to address them.
And yes, hourly billing has been a common practice for a long time. Some firms have also developed their in-house software to keep track of the hours put in and maintain transparency with their clients.
Billing rates: https://infogram.com/web-i2210-billing-rates-4-grace-1hxj48pdnpxo52v
Hourly vs. Alternate billing: https://infogram.com/web-i2210-billing-rates-2-grace-1hmr6g7rypqqo6n
Source: India Law Firm Billing Rates 2022 | Law.asia
Is it even worth it? Sacrificing one of the most healthy years of your life on an exam that you barely have a shot at cracking? Kudos to you if you manage to do so, but a law firm job would be much safer and atleast it makes you settled in life.
1. Things have been shaky ngl. (There have been 2 incidents of protests against admin this year itself)
2. HNLU seems a notch above in corporate placements, everything else is more or less the same.
3. The students claim that it's improving but only time will tell.
4. Yeah, placements are growing each year but you should be mindful of the batch size of 180 students while accessing the number of students placed.
5. I Can't answer this one with credible sources but I've heard that the overall crowd is mixed (most of them being diligent).
6. Yes, if you're from a metro city then obviously you would feel a bit disconnected but the university manages to provide all the essentials from a physician, stationary and mental counseling to transportation to the city.
7. I don't think so. T-1 NLU does not have a definitive meaning, but let's assume that it's an NLU that manages to place 90% of its batch comfortably. For that to happen, HNLU has to focus on: a) The student intake quality (which is in decline for the past few years due to domicile cut-off decreasing year by year.)
b) The faculty (GNLU also has a similar scenario, but despite that, it manages to place most of its students, which suggests that even with a weaker pool of students as compared to other T-1 NLUs it performs similarly or even better in some cases)
And lastly, I'll also be joining HNLU so we might as well catch up sometime!
There are candidates who crack top 3 NLUs while being in 11th and then there are candidates that manage get a T-3 NLU with a drop year.You can't say that one is better than the other with surety, but you can definitely infer that one has more aptitude to crack the exam than the other. It's not really rude if you're not correlating someone's performance in an exam to his potential in the field. Cheers! π₯
I've let it sink in and now I'm quite optimistic about the prospects HNLU could offer if I'm serious enough. After evaluating and doing due research, I've came to the conclusion that it isn't really worth re-attempting and sacrificing an year. There is almost nothing that can be done in a T-1 NLU and cannot be done in HNLU, I've even stalked profiles of people who cracked HNLU last year and they've been doing good for themselves, can't really differentiate them from NLUJ 1st years.
The only thing is that you've to walk that extra half mile to grab opportunities, and if doing that saves me an year then so be it.
I would ultimately be loosing 16 lakhs or more if I switch to another T-1 college while having the potential to crack the same job at HNLU. So yeah, initially it is not the best feeling to be in HNLU but I think it will surely get the job done ;)
Nevertheless, congratulations to such a wonderful feat! π
Given CLAT in 11th, got a rank good enough for ILNU, Jindal and all the respective private institutes.
Gave CLAT in 12th with much more pressure and preparation, got a better rank but still not good enough for a T-3 NLU (succumbed to the pressure indeed).
Gave CLAT after rigorously grinding for 6 months, getting in but not really satisfied internally. Currently, CLAT is a skill based examination rather than being a knowledge based one like NEET or JEE, your hardwork won't necessarily translate into a better result that's for sure.
I genuinely think that I am just as good as any of the candidates getting in T-1 NLUs, it's just that it wasn't my day. Maybe with a decent NLU in pocket and no pressure, I could crack one of the T-1 NLUs.
Would you recommend doing that or should I just go all in with my current academic curriculum? Because at the end of the day if I'm getting placed in a T-1 firm with my current NLU it's the same, isn't it? Would love to hear what you guys think! π«
I definitely dig the Slug Club idea though, would be really fun. π§π»ββοΈ
Appreciate the morale boost though, I hope I do β€οΈ
Unfortunately I managed to get about 75 marks hehe, HNLU it is, so I would say you've performed way better than the other 99% of candidates who appeared for it. Pack your bags!